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The Church: One Body | Better Together

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December 10, 2019
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Racial barriers and injustice have no place in the Body of Christ. What is our responsibilty to stand for righteousness? | TBN Prayer Line: 1-888-731-1000

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The Church: One Body | Better Together

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  • - We may be different, thank God we're different,
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  • but we all are in the body of Christ.
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  • First Corinthians tells us,
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  • "If one member suffers, we all suffer."
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  • Let's talk about the barriers between us
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  • and how we can tear down the walls.
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  • (light upbeat music)
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  • - So we're gonna keep talking ladies,
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  • just about the church being one body
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  • and I have a couple of scriptures for us.
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  • Psalm 133:1 says, "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
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  • "for brethren to dwell together in unity."
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  • And Colossians 3:14, "But above all these things,
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  • "put on love, which is the bond of perfection."
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  • And I think, it's interesting,
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  • especially in the American church,
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  • we just have got to acknowledge,
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  • what are some of these barriers to unity
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  • within the body of Christ, that need to change.
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  • If unity is good, and we know it, what's keeping us from it?
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  • My older brother and I are super, super close
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  • and we have a family member who treated us differently.
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  • And this family member was very nice to my older brother
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  • and not so nice to me.
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  • And in recounting our childhood experience one day,
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  • he said to me, John said, "I really miss her
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  • "because she was really one of the people who listened to me
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  • "and talked to me and took time with me."
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  • And I said, "Oh, I'm so glad she did that for you",
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  • I said, "she did not do that for me."
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  • And he said, "I'm sorry."
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  • And I just said, "Thanks."
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  • And then we moved on.
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  • And I think one of the barriers is,
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  • one, that we forget that we are connected on a deeper level
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  • than anything we can see, as members of the body of Christ.
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  • - That's good.
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  • - We are brothers and sisters in Christ.
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  • There's no experience with anybody else
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  • that's gonna take me from my relationship with my brother,
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  • but also, because he loves me, he's willing to acknowledge
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  • the truth of what's happening around me, to me.
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  • And this family member has gone on to be with the Lord,
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  • so it's not current, but how do we communicate with people
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  • as siblings in Christ about hard things.
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  • - And that's where the grace, and the love,
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  • and the I'm sorry.
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  • You know, even, I'm sorry you experienced that.
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  • Exactly what you just said,
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  • I've said that to my own brother,
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  • and I just think that when you communicate, when you talk,
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  • that's what this program is all about,
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  • it's us having real conversations, real friends,
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  • and getting through stuff like this.
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  • Because it's like, that helps so much.
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  • We need each other, we are a body of Christ
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  • and there is evil, and there is good,
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  • and we are going to focus on our family of God
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  • and the good of all that we have in Christ.
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  • And so, coming together
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  • and uniting under the banner of the cross, which is grace.
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  • That's what we all need to do.
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  • - And it's one thing to care,
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  • and it's another thing to show that you care.
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  • - Yeah, exactly, yeah.
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  • - Because we can all care--
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  • - 'Cause if someone doesn't think I care.
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  • - Right, but Jesus, he was moved with compassion,
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  • it brought about action.
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  • So, I know for me, and I always start with me (laughs).
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  • - We always need to start with ourself.
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  • - That's ongoing work (laughs), non-stop.
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  • How can I care
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  • in a way that people see and know that I care?
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  • - [Janice] That's tough.
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  • - It's talking about that heart of compassion,
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  • does it say that it will open our hearts of compassion?
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  • That just tells me we all have a heart of compassion,
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  • but is that heart open or is it closed?
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  • - Right.
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  • - And so, knowing that you have
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  • the capacity to show compassion.
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  • And I think it's interesting
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  • because when the Samaritan helped the man on the street,
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  • the priest walked by, the Levite walked by,
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  • then it's a Samaritan had that open heart of compassion.
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  • But what's so interesting
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  • is that Jesus didn't use the priest as an example,
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  • didn't use the Levite as the example, he used the Samaritan,
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  • of how we are supposed to open our hearts of compassion.
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  • And I love that
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  • because he didn't condemn us for not doing it right,
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  • but he's encouraging us to say,
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  • "Hey, you have a heart of compassion,
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  • "it's just time to open it."
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  • And your brother just,
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  • through his love, had such a compassion that,
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  • I didn't know that, I didn't know you experienced that,
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  • and I'm sorry for that.
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  • - Analogy falls short, because the person has gone on.
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  • I wonder how we would approach the conversation,
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  • after a Thanksgiving blow up,
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  • if this family member was still mean to me.
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  • I mean, think about that,
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  • what would I need from my brother that's different
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  • if that family member was still alive and abusive.
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  • - What would you need that was different?
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  • - Yeah, I think I would want the empathy in private,
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  • but I would want him to stand up for me in public.
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  • If that family member said something abusive to me,
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  • I would want my brother to say, "Oh."
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  • I would want him to be willing
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  • to put his perfect relationship on the line to say,
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  • "I'm surprised that you would treat her that way,
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  • "that's not the way."
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  • And I would expect him to stand up for me.
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  • - I think we should all stand up for each other.
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  • - [CeCe] I think we should.
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  • - Silence absolutely speaks loudly
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  • when our brothers and sisters are hurting.
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  • I mean, I think about my own big brother John
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  • and how, in growing up,
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  • he was a fierce protector of me, his little sister,
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  • to the point where
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  • people knew not to even try stuff with me.
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  • And it's like, "Oh, don't mess with her
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  • "because her brother, he will get you."
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  • Yeah, there are so many stories.
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  • I think we went in a haunted house one time,
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  • probably shouldn't have, don't get hung up on that part,
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  • but anyway, in there,
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  • and somebody accidentally knocked me down
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  • because I was a kid.
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  • My brother stopped the whole, the whole haunted house,
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  • "Cut the lights on, somebody hurt my sister,
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  • "cut the lights on."
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  • Haunted house over.
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  • You understand what I'm saying?
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  • But because of that, I never felt unprotected as a kid,
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  • I always felt like I had an advocate in my brother,
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  • and I think that's how
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  • we're supposed to make each other feel.
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  • That if somebody is bothering us,
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  • if something is hurting us,
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  • and we can see that there's a real problem,
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  • then we gotta stand up for our brothers and sisters
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  • and say something, because our silence will then mean
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  • that we are more, our silence will then mean
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  • that we value more being comfortable
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  • than standing up for our brothers and sisters.
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  • I mean, that's kind of what it means,
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  • we don't want to rock the boat.
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  • - You know it's like, "Hey, you know what?"
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  • "You haven't walked in our shoes."
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  • If we'll be quick to stop the conversation
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  • from going in that negative direction,
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  • wean them back to, "Hey, you know what?"
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  • "We don't know."
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  • And begin to start playing up the what's right.
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  • - [CeCe] That's exactly what we should do,
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  • but like Janice said,
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  • you would have to be willing to be able to--
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  • - To put something.
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  • - Confrontation.
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  • - Yeah, confrontation,
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  • you would be willing to forfeit your relationship,
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  • maybe with the person that you have to confront,
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  • but as believers, we have the responsibility
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  • to stand for righteousness.
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  • - [Jenn] Right, absolutely.
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  • - And we have the responsibility to speak up,
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  • always in love, and like you said, use wisdom,
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  • but speaking up.
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  • When you say that you would want your brother to stand up
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  • because that's just not about you,
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  • but that's just what's right.
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  • - Right.
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  • - That's what's righteous in God's eyesight.
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  • - I think so many confrontations or problems,
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  • and where you say you brought your brother with you,
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  • or you would have brought your brother with you
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  • to address the person.
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  • It's not a, oh, now we're gonna go talk junk
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  • about your family member.
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  • - No, not at all.
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  • - That's where it gets yucky.
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  • - I won't even tell you which family member it is.
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  • - And that's where it gets yucky.
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  • - I think we're afraid of confrontation.
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  • - You know, on the other hand, your family member,
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  • you don't know what they were going through
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  • when you think about it.
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  • - And I have heard about that.
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  • - And hurting people hurt people.
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  • - I have so thought about that
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  • and spent much time and money in counseling.
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  • - Jackie Hill Perry has a new sweatshirt, Jackie Hill says,
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  • it says, "Jesus in Therapy".
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  • And I said, "That's it, right there."
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  • (women laugh)
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  • - Because the reality is--
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  • - Jesus therapy Jesus, it goes right back around.
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  • (women laugh)
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  • - I mean the reality is, the only pool we have to pull from,
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  • from family, friends, is a pool of sinners,
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  • and people who have been broken, so nobody's perfect.
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  • I always say, my son is gonna grow up,
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  • and he's gonna go to counseling,
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  • and he's gonna talk about me.
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  • (women laugh)
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  • So might as well relax and do my best.
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  • - It's so real.
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  • - That's all I've got.
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  • - I had that happen to me
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  • in someone I tried so desperately to overcome comments
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  • and things where they just,
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  • and I thought it was my job to just continue--
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  • - It's hard.
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  • - To just put myself out there, to be kind,
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  • and then it came to the point where,
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  • I mean, really, where someone said to me, "You know what?"
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  • "You do your best, you always respect and always be kind,
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  • "but you don't have to be a doormat."
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  • "You don't have to continue to put yourself out there."
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  • And when I came to that realization that maybe it's not me
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  • and maybe I can't fix it,
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  • and just realize that,
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  • there's certain things you gotta let go.
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  • And you just gotta let people off the hook,
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  • let them go, feel good about yourself,
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  • know that you're not gonna sink down to that level,
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  • you're gonna stay on the high road,
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  • but just, you've got to let it go at one point.
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  • And so, that's what I did.
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  • - That's freedom.
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  • - It was like, you know, it really was
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  • because I would try to forgive,
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  • but I tried to make it right.
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  • - Well see, that's the thing, God requires us to be like him
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  • but he never told us to be him.
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  • - Totally.
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  • - We can't do what only God can do.
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  • And I think a lot of times we try to fix people
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  • and that's why, you just focusing on yourself
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  • and praying.
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  • And you know, I think my generation might have that,
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  • us being able, and having the privilege,
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  • to pass through these incredible millennials,
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  • I'm not gonna call any names.
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  • - I disagree, incredible.
  • 00:12:02.050 --> 00:12:03.110
  • (women laugh)
  • 00:12:03.110 --> 00:12:05.260
  • - But I think they carry a lot more
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  • than what God has required us to carry,
  • 00:12:10.040 --> 00:12:12.050
  • and that's not the answer,
  • 00:12:13.030 --> 00:12:14.130
  • and that doesn't bring unity either
  • 00:12:14.130 --> 00:12:16.120
  • because then you're practically petting the demon,
  • 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.160
  • trying to fix something that you can't fix.
  • 00:12:19.160 --> 00:12:22.130
  • People have to come to their own time
  • 00:12:22.130 --> 00:12:25.060
  • and come to a place where they can see where they're wrong.
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  • And only love really will uncover that.
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  • Our goal is always to love people,
  • 00:12:31.270 --> 00:12:34.090
  • and like you were saying Victoria,
  • 00:12:34.090 --> 00:12:35.220
  • you fear God, you love people, you do what you do,
  • 00:12:35.220 --> 00:12:38.120
  • because then when you try to step over that,
  • 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:41.220
  • it's like you're doing God's job,
  • 00:12:41.220 --> 00:12:43.010
  • and that means you're not really trusting God
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  • to do what you know he can do.
  • 00:12:44.160 --> 00:12:45.190
  • You know what I'm saying?
  • 00:12:45.190 --> 00:12:46.270
  • - It becomes control.
  • 00:12:46.270 --> 00:12:48.060
  • - Yeah, and so, we have to be willing
  • 00:12:48.060 --> 00:12:50.110
  • to know that it's gonna be messy sometimes.
  • 00:12:50.110 --> 00:12:53.000
  • - It's gonna be messy.
  • 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:54.170
  • - Everybody's not gonna respond
  • 00:12:54.170 --> 00:12:56.030
  • the way you want them to respond, but we're just--
  • 00:12:56.030 --> 00:12:58.090
  • - [Janice] And that's okay.
  • 00:12:58.090 --> 00:12:59.040
  • - Yeah, that's okay.
  • 00:12:59.040 --> 00:13:01.040
  • We cannot fix everything,
  • 00:13:01.040 --> 00:13:03.020
  • God can, but we can't do it individually.
  • 00:13:04.070 --> 00:13:08.030
  • Together, I do believe.
  • 00:13:08.030 --> 00:13:09.180
  • The Bible says, "If my people, which are called by my name,
  • 00:13:09.180 --> 00:13:12.000
  • "would humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face,
  • 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.280
  • "and turn from their wicked ways,
  • 00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:16.240
  • "then will I hear from heaven, I will forgive their sins,
  • 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.000
  • "and I will heal their land."
  • 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.080
  • There is nothing to hard for God,
  • 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:25.040
  • he's bigger than every challenge and every problem,
  • 00:13:25.040 --> 00:13:28.170
  • but it's gonna take us coming together
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  • and doing it God's way,
  • 00:13:30.250 --> 00:13:32.190
  • but we cannot fix everything on our own.
  • 00:13:32.190 --> 00:13:35.150
  • - We are here for you.
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  • - Join our community @bettertogethertv
  • 00:13:39.040 --> 00:13:41.200
  • to connect with women all over the world.
  • 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.000
  • - We love you, but most importantly, Jesus loves you.
  • 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.250
  • - If we have actually made a faux pas, we apologize and say
  • 00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:53.120
  • "I'm sorry, how can I make it better?"
  • 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.100
  • And then, if people are reasonable
  • 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:58.090
  • they will respond reasonably.
  • 00:13:58.090 --> 00:14:00.130
  • If they're not--
  • 00:14:00.130 --> 00:14:01.230
  • - Show's the heart.
  • 00:14:01.230 --> 00:14:02.210
  • - Hopefully God will-
  • 00:14:03.250 --> 00:14:05.010
  • - [CeCe] God will fix them.
  • 00:14:05.010 --> 00:14:06.060
  • - God will eventually fix them.
  • 00:14:06.060 --> 00:14:07.200
  • In my situation, things have changed.
  • 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.060
  • It's not gonna be perfect,
  • 00:14:10.060 --> 00:14:11.160
  • I'm never gonna, let's go to lunch.
  • 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:14.130
  • - You never know (laughs).
  • 00:14:14.130 --> 00:14:16.060
  • - You never know.
  • 00:14:16.060 --> 00:14:17.130
  • Actually, it's funny that you said that
  • 00:14:17.130 --> 00:14:18.210
  • because early on, God gave me this vision
  • 00:14:18.210 --> 00:14:21.220
  • of us being such great friends,
  • 00:14:21.220 --> 00:14:23.140
  • and after awhile, I get, that was--
  • 00:14:23.140 --> 00:14:26.020
  • - Sunken ship.
  • 00:14:26.020 --> 00:14:27.070
  • - I'm like, that's never gonna happen God.
  • 00:14:27.070 --> 00:14:29.080
  • That's never gonna happen, but you never know.
  • 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.130
  • - You can't say never, because everybody's on their journey.
  • 00:14:32.130 --> 00:14:37.130
  • - Everybody.
  • 00:14:38.010 --> 00:14:39.090
  • - Everybody's on a different journey
  • 00:14:39.090 --> 00:14:40.070
  • and that's why we can't judge,
  • 00:14:40.070 --> 00:14:41.240
  • that's why, you know, God is amazing,
  • 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.200
  • he knows how to (laughs), how to keep us on our knees
  • 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.210
  • when we know we need him every step of the way.
  • 00:14:46.210 --> 00:14:48.120
  • - We just need to take care of ourselves (laughs)
  • 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.080
  • and keep in mind--
  • 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:52.160
  • - And love his way, love his way, do it his way.
  • 00:14:52.160 --> 00:14:55.070
  • - And everybody is called to come up higher.
  • 00:14:55.070 --> 00:14:58.120
  • Everybody's called to come do things God's way.
  • 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:02.060
  • And sometimes when that's not done,
  • 00:15:02.060 --> 00:15:04.270
  • it does so much damage to divide, and to divide and conquer.
  • 00:15:04.270 --> 00:15:09.270
  • - So, on that, when you say it does so much to divide,
  • 00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:14.000
  • as the church, do we feel that the church is divided?
  • 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:19.000
  • - I do.
  • 00:15:19.140 --> 00:15:20.210
  • - Do you feel that it's segregated?
  • 00:15:20.210 --> 00:15:21.190
  • Do you feel that it's divided?
  • 00:15:21.190 --> 00:15:23.020
  • You do, why do you feel that?
  • 00:15:23.020 --> 00:15:24.150
  • - I think your church is the great unicorn.
  • 00:15:24.150 --> 00:15:27.080
  • (women laugh)
  • 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:29.030
  • Of it all because honestly, if you look across America,
  • 00:15:29.030 --> 00:15:32.160
  • most churches don't look like your church.
  • 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:34.170
  • So, I do think that it's--
  • 00:15:34.170 --> 00:15:36.160
  • - But is that a bad thing?
  • 00:15:36.160 --> 00:15:38.120
  • Is that a thing that we need to work on?
  • 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.170
  • What do you feel?
  • 00:15:40.170 --> 00:15:42.000
  • - I think the thing in itself is not what concerns me,
  • 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.230
  • I think it being a result of a history
  • 00:15:45.230 --> 00:15:50.010
  • that we don't talk about is what concerns me.
  • 00:15:50.010 --> 00:15:52.240
  • - Janice, you said
  • 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.010
  • you did a diversity training at your church.
  • 00:15:54.010 --> 00:15:55.290
  • - I did, yes.
  • 00:15:55.290 --> 00:15:57.030
  • - So talk a little bit about,
  • 00:15:57.030 --> 00:15:59.090
  • when we were talking about last night,
  • 00:15:59.090 --> 00:16:01.040
  • as far as being bias or--
  • 00:16:01.040 --> 00:16:03.220
  • - Yeah, I think there are biases, there are prejudices,
  • 00:16:03.220 --> 00:16:07.270
  • and there is discrimination.
  • 00:16:07.270 --> 00:16:09.160
  • I think everybody has biases because we're human.
  • 00:16:09.160 --> 00:16:12.010
  • You know, I think blond hair is the prettiest hair of all,
  • 00:16:12.010 --> 00:16:16.280
  • that's just my bias.
  • 00:16:16.280 --> 00:16:18.210
  • - I like your hair.
  • 00:16:18.210 --> 00:16:20.220
  • I like all the colors.
  • 00:16:20.220 --> 00:16:22.030
  • (women laugh)
  • 00:16:22.030 --> 00:16:25.090
  • - But then prejudice would be
  • 00:16:25.090 --> 00:16:27.000
  • if I started to shun other things because of my bias,
  • 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:32.000
  • liking blond hair most.
  • 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:35.050
  • And discrimination is a--
  • 00:16:35.050 --> 00:16:37.060
  • - And that's prejudice, being prejudice.
  • 00:16:37.060 --> 00:16:40.070
  • - Discrimination is creating a system that benefits blond
  • 00:16:40.070 --> 00:16:45.070
  • as apposed to brunette or anything else.
  • 00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:48.110
  • And so, I think, the history in our country,
  • 00:16:48.110 --> 00:16:51.130
  • nobody denies it,
  • 00:16:52.090 --> 00:16:53.240
  • it's just one that has not benefited groups of people,
  • 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:58.140
  • people of color, for awhile, immigrants,
  • 00:16:58.140 --> 00:17:01.170
  • and our value system in America has decided who's up
  • 00:17:01.170 --> 00:17:06.020
  • and who's down.
  • 00:17:06.020 --> 00:17:07.120
  • And I think because of that,
  • 00:17:07.120 --> 00:17:09.190
  • socially we've been made accustom
  • 00:17:09.190 --> 00:17:13.220
  • to being separate in many ways.
  • 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:16.180
  • We've become accustom to seeing one another in certain ways
  • 00:17:16.180 --> 00:17:21.110
  • and I think a kingdom mindset is the key to learning to see,
  • 00:17:21.110 --> 00:17:26.000
  • like you said, it's one person at a time,
  • 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.090
  • one conversation at a time,
  • 00:17:28.090 --> 00:17:30.010
  • seeing people the way the Lord sees them
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  • is the only way to undo a value system
  • 00:17:32.180 --> 00:17:35.210
  • that's been built for us,
  • 00:17:35.210 --> 00:17:37.050
  • but we see the results everywhere, even in church.
  • 00:17:37.050 --> 00:17:40.070
  • So, yeah, I think preferring a church choir,
  • 00:17:40.070 --> 00:17:44.200
  • like what's happening in Sunday service with Kanye West,
  • 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.190
  • it's not a bad thing, you know what I mean?
  • 00:17:48.190 --> 00:17:51.100
  • But, in it's self it's not a bad thing,
  • 00:17:51.100 --> 00:17:54.240
  • I think nothing has happened in a vacuum.
  • 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:58.080
  • And so, if as a church,
  • 00:17:58.080 --> 00:18:00.050
  • we're going to be an example to our country,
  • 00:18:00.050 --> 00:18:05.040
  • as to how to have the conversation,
  • 00:18:06.100 --> 00:18:08.020
  • and where Jesus is invited in it,
  • 00:18:08.020 --> 00:18:10.120
  • you've got to acknowledge
  • 00:18:10.120 --> 00:18:11.190
  • some really icky, messy, heartbreaking things.
  • 00:18:11.190 --> 00:18:15.220
  • - I love the picture Jesus gives us of him being the head
  • 00:18:17.040 --> 00:18:19.250
  • and us being the body as the church, the bride of Christ.
  • 00:18:19.250 --> 00:18:22.230
  • And I love to think about it
  • 00:18:22.230 --> 00:18:24.070
  • in all the different denominations
  • 00:18:24.070 --> 00:18:25.140
  • that have common faith with Jesus,
  • 00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:27.250
  • that we are all different parts of the body,
  • 00:18:27.250 --> 00:18:30.170
  • in a shoulder, in a foot, in a leg,
  • 00:18:30.170 --> 00:18:32.190
  • and body parts need each other,
  • 00:18:32.190 --> 00:18:34.250
  • just like we all need each other.
  • 00:18:34.250 --> 00:18:36.080
  • And you know, I go from one church
  • 00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:37.250
  • or denomination to the next,
  • 00:18:37.250 --> 00:18:39.140
  • and I'm so moved by what God's given them as a tribe,
  • 00:18:39.140 --> 00:18:43.120
  • and I can learn from that, and feel and see God in that.
  • 00:18:43.120 --> 00:18:46.190
  • So I just love that idea of,
  • 00:18:46.190 --> 00:18:48.070
  • nobody has a corner on the market, nobody knows everything,
  • 00:18:48.070 --> 00:18:51.040
  • we all see in part, as the Bible says,
  • 00:18:51.040 --> 00:18:53.010
  • and we need each other
  • 00:18:53.010 --> 00:18:54.080
  • to really work as the body we're called to be.
  • 00:18:54.080 --> 00:18:56.130
  • I just have a question,
  • 00:18:57.180 --> 00:18:59.010
  • so we live in this small little northern California town,
  • 00:18:59.010 --> 00:19:02.140
  • you know, up in the woods,
  • 00:19:02.140 --> 00:19:03.280
  • and I love diversity,
  • 00:19:03.280 --> 00:19:07.240
  • I love what God's doing in the spirit all over the world.
  • 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.180
  • And in the church I grew up listening to CeCe,
  • 00:19:10.180 --> 00:19:13.040
  • I grew up listening to Darlene Zschech,
  • 00:19:13.040 --> 00:19:14.210
  • you know like my worship Mama's,
  • 00:19:14.210 --> 00:19:16.070
  • just such a pool of whatever God is doing on the planet,
  • 00:19:16.070 --> 00:19:19.020
  • in the church.
  • 00:19:19.020 --> 00:19:20.090
  • We were the first one in line at the book store
  • 00:19:20.090 --> 00:19:21.230
  • to get the CD, you know?
  • 00:19:21.230 --> 00:19:23.090
  • And I love what God's doing at Lakewood,
  • 00:19:23.090 --> 00:19:25.080
  • I just love the global church, it's so beautiful.
  • 00:19:25.080 --> 00:19:29.170
  • And I go one place and I'm just like,
  • 00:19:29.170 --> 00:19:32.150
  • "Oh my gosh, they have this."
  • 00:19:32.150 --> 00:19:34.110
  • And I come home more like Jesus in that area.
  • 00:19:34.110 --> 00:19:37.040
  • I think when you celebrate diversity
  • 00:19:37.040 --> 00:19:39.160
  • and you celebrate what other people have,
  • 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.290
  • you become a melting pot of God's face,
  • 00:19:41.290 --> 00:19:45.140
  • that we all don't look like.
  • 00:19:45.140 --> 00:19:46.270
  • But, my question is this,
  • 00:19:46.270 --> 00:19:48.090
  • living in this small town, I always,
  • 00:19:48.090 --> 00:19:50.290
  • and it's gotten more diverse for sure,
  • 00:19:50.290 --> 00:19:54.060
  • we have a school of ministry that helps us bring in,
  • 00:19:54.060 --> 00:19:57.030
  • but we do live in this predominantly white community,
  • 00:19:57.030 --> 00:20:00.270
  • and my question is, how can I,
  • 00:20:00.270 --> 00:20:03.090
  • or what can I do to help when I live in,
  • 00:20:03.090 --> 00:20:08.060
  • I know this is not scripted, this is,
  • 00:20:09.120 --> 00:20:13.100
  • how can I, in my church,
  • 00:20:13.100 --> 00:20:15.040
  • we carry this heart as a church for diversity,
  • 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:18.120
  • and for anointing, and for, you know,
  • 00:20:18.120 --> 00:20:21.020
  • but what can we do when that is our heart
  • 00:20:21.020 --> 00:20:24.060
  • to do that for our own community of people?
  • 00:20:24.060 --> 00:20:26.220
  • Does that make sense?
  • 00:20:26.220 --> 00:20:28.000
  • - Yeah, I think, for me, the first thing would be
  • 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.130
  • to kind of be willing to educate yourself about,
  • 00:20:30.130 --> 00:20:34.220
  • I wonder why we're not together,
  • 00:20:34.220 --> 00:20:36.100
  • and what has happened to break us apart?
  • 00:20:36.100 --> 00:20:38.100
  • But the other thing is really what Victoria said earlier,
  • 00:20:38.100 --> 00:20:40.240
  • it's at the water cooler, it's at the dinner table,
  • 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.290
  • it's visiting family,
  • 00:20:44.290 --> 00:20:46.230
  • because our Lord somehow he chose twelve men,
  • 00:20:46.230 --> 00:20:51.130
  • and now there are billions.
  • 00:20:51.130 --> 00:20:53.030
  • He does things in a grassroots way,
  • 00:20:53.030 --> 00:20:55.160
  • and it's heart to heart, discipling one at a time,
  • 00:20:55.160 --> 00:21:00.160
  • and being willing to hear one person at a time.
  • 00:21:01.280 --> 00:21:04.090
  • And once you get that education and you hear one at a time,
  • 00:21:04.090 --> 00:21:08.260
  • you start to notice it other places.
  • 00:21:08.260 --> 00:21:11.030
  • If you're like, "I'm thinking of getting a minivan",
  • 00:21:11.030 --> 00:21:14.140
  • and all of a sudden you're driving around town
  • 00:21:14.140 --> 00:21:15.250
  • and you see billions of minivans.
  • 00:21:15.250 --> 00:21:17.150
  • - For the pregnant people.
  • 00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:19.190
  • (women laugh)
  • 00:21:19.190 --> 00:21:21.280
  • - And so, I think it's just a matter of,
  • 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:23.220
  • it really is more grassroots that we think.
  • 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:26.050
  • I don't think we have to fix the world,
  • 00:21:26.050 --> 00:21:28.020
  • I think we have to surrender our hearts,
  • 00:21:28.020 --> 00:21:29.270
  • and then be willing to have those hard conversations
  • 00:21:29.270 --> 00:21:33.130
  • and confrontations, one at a time.
  • 00:21:33.130 --> 00:21:35.190
  • - Go ahead.
  • 00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:37.100
  • - No I was just saying,
  • 00:21:37.100 --> 00:21:38.170
  • when she was talking about in her city,
  • 00:21:38.170 --> 00:21:40.010
  • because we're required to reach those that we can reach,
  • 00:21:40.010 --> 00:21:43.240
  • that you can see.
  • 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:46.040
  • But I've always, whenever we pray for diversity,
  • 00:21:46.040 --> 00:21:50.220
  • whenever we pray, God's gonna give you the opportunity.
  • 00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:53.180
  • He'll give you divine appointments.
  • 00:21:54.260 --> 00:21:56.260
  • If we make that apart of our prayer,
  • 00:21:56.260 --> 00:21:59.070
  • Lord help us to be apart of unifying the church.
  • 00:21:59.070 --> 00:22:02.040
  • - Yes.
  • 00:22:02.040 --> 00:22:03.100
  • - Give me the wisdom, give me strategy,
  • 00:22:03.100 --> 00:22:05.080
  • bring people into my path, he's gonna do that.
  • 00:22:05.080 --> 00:22:07.250
  • He's gonna do that for each one of us.
  • 00:22:07.250 --> 00:22:10.060
  • He'll do it so quick and you're like,
  • 00:22:11.100 --> 00:22:12.240
  • "Okay, all right, now I'm gonna do this."
  • 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:15.000
  • Don't be afraid of it when the opportunity comes.
  • 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.260
  • - [Jenn] I love that.
  • 00:22:17.260 --> 00:22:18.240
  • - Because it's gonna come.
  • 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.090
  • - We're gonna do it here.
  • 00:22:20.090 --> 00:22:21.130
  • Here we are.
  • 00:22:21.130 --> 00:22:23.000
  • - You know, God calls us one body,
  • 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.040
  • but a body has many parts,
  • 00:22:26.040 --> 00:22:28.220
  • and every part is so important.
  • 00:22:28.220 --> 00:22:31.230
  • And so often the enemy tries to come in
  • 00:22:31.230 --> 00:22:33.280
  • and tell us that we're not important,
  • 00:22:33.280 --> 00:22:36.100
  • that we don't have what it takes,
  • 00:22:36.100 --> 00:22:38.110
  • but can I tell you,
  • 00:22:38.110 --> 00:22:39.260
  • you have everything that you need to complete the body.
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  • Now we've got to rise up
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  • and understand who we are in Christ,
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  • in our worth, I our value in him,
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  • and when we do that, I believe we recognize our gifts,
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  • and we recognize our talents,
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  • and we're more willing to use them
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  • in order to fulfill the great commission.
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  • - I remember, when the Lord convicted me, and he said,
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  • "Are you only gonna care about justice
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  • "for people that look like you?"
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  • "Because if you do, that's not actually my justice,
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  • "that's just you choosing tribe."
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  • - [Jenn] Wow, that's fire.
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  • - Then me asking the Lord,
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  • "How can I then care about unity in the body of Christ
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  • "for everybody?"
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  • - [Jenn] That's beautiful.
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  • - It's the gospel, I didn't make it up.
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  • (women laugh)
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  • (women talk at once)
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  • - I love the word of God
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  • because it makes it really really clear,
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  • the standard is the love that God has for us.
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  • It's not how this person loves you or your experience,
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  • but the standard is to love the way I have loved you.
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  • And God loves everyone, he's concerned about everyone,
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  • he died so that all men would be free.
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  • And so, therefore, we have to be concerned about everyone,
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  • and not just your own tribe.
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  • The gospel comes for everybody and it goes for everybody.
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  • And so--
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  • - Good news of great joy for all.
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  • (women laugh)
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  • - Straightens out every crocked place.
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  • So, that's beautiful though,
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  • because a lot of times we just put of here
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  • and God is so big, he said, "No, it's the whole",
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  • he cares for everybody the same.
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  • - I don't know if you know,
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  • but even your baby toe is necessary to your body.
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  • When one part of the body hurts, the entire body feels it.
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  • Your baby toe is for balance, who knew?
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  • Well, you know, if you lose that then you would realize,
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  • "Oh my goodness, I am no longer walking
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  • "as balanced as I used to."
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  • Whatever it is, whatever part of your body it is,
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  • if it's hurt, the rest of your body feels it,
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  • and then tries to compensate for it.
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  • So it means, a part that's supposed to be doing one thing
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  • is now doing something else to make up for that hurt part.
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  • All that to say, it matters
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  • when a portion of the body of Christ is hurting.
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  • It matters, and it throws us off balance at least.
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  • And so we've got to be willing to address pain,
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  • address woundedness, especially woundedness
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  • that the church has played a part in over time.
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  • You know, it's like I said,
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  • we're not dealing in shame or condemnation,
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  • but we can deal with truth without fear,
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  • so that we might be able to move forward.
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  • Lord, I just pray for everybody watching right now,
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  • God that you would allow their hearts
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  • to be opened to whatever you might have to say to them,
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  • whatever you want to highlight in these conversations,
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  • in this particular conversation,
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  • Lord would you allow their hearts to be good soil.
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  • Plant a seed, let it be watered Lord God,
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  • and you do give the increase.
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  • And so Lord I just pray right now for everybody watching,
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  • that nobody would be a bystander,
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  • but everybody would at least have a seed planted
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  • that you're going to use to enrich, to grow,
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  • to strengthen the body of Christ for the times coming.
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  • Thank you Lord that you trusted us
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  • with such an important conversation
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  • at such an important time.
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  • And I pray that this would be multiplied a hundredfold,
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  • across our country and across our world.
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  • In Jesus name, amen.
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