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December 12, 2019
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Racism, prejudice, privilege. Are we ready to identify the "blind spots," create safe spaces, and pursue unity? | TBN Prayer Line: 1-888-731-1000

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Healing the Divide | Better Together

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  • - Have you ever dealt with fear because
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  • of the color of your skin?
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  • How can we listen and learn from each others experiences.
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  • Today lets have the tough conversation about healing
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  • the racial divide.
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  • (peaceful music)
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  • - I had this graph at my church grace chapel in Franklin,
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  • when I did diversity training, I showed a graph
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  • and they were, let me just say those are some of the
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  • bravest people I know.
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  • I have to say that because they said that we were all
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  • shaking in our boots, like we got to talk about this,
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  • because it was so high stakes.
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  • I've been at my church for ten years.
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  • - Yeah, its all about the church.
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  • - This is my church family.
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  • - What is the percentage?
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  • - Predominantly white, percentages that would make us
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  • look worse that I want to portray.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Because its just a few of us who
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - are people of color in my church,
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  • but I know my leaderships heart.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And they said, Steve Burger said would you come
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  • on board, help us build bridges and show us the blind
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  • spots that we are missing.
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  • - I love that.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And that's brave. - Yeah.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And this needs to happen, like what you're doing
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  • in the spirit - Yeah.
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  • - With this, I literally can see it,
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  • - In the spirit.
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  • - Like its going, because people are hungry for it,
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  • people are not all terrible,
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  • they are mis-educated, they don't know
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And we have to help, and we can't
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  • This what you're doing is so powerful.
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  • - So powerful.
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  • - Its got to be
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  • - So important
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  • One of the biggest things that we talked about
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  • was want no shame, no fear,
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - We're going for real conversations,
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  • and when we talked about racism, I was telling
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  • them racism is not a machine that spews hatred,
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Its a machine that spews lies,
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  • and those lies decompose into hatred, complacency,
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  • bitterness, shame all kinds of horrible things,
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  • but the reality is that if we identify that racism
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  • is actually build on lies so that people could make money,
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  • Because this, that's what this was.
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  • This wasn't, O I see you, you look different,
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  • so I'm going to make you my slave.
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  • This was, you can survive Malaria, your body is strong,
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  • and we're gonna make you into what we need you to be,
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  • so we can make money and we're gonna justify
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  • this for ourselves with lies about you,
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  • scientifically, spiritually we're gonna use
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  • these lies to make sure that we don't feel horrible.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • But these lies still operate and so when people
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  • are saying white America, they're really saying
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  • I want somebody who Is not on the bottom
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  • of the totem pole, power wise to acknowledge
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  • that when I go in, a very popular super store
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  • and on one section I see multi-cultural hair care
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  • and on the other section I see hair care.
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  • What's the lie that's at play?
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  • Because something about that for people
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  • of color is offensive.
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  • - Okay help me with that.
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  • - Because its not called white hair care,
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  • we just assume that hair care is for white people.
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  • - That's right.
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  • - And a multi-cultural hair care is for me.
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  • Why not just have one end cap with hair care, everybody
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  • - So that's powerful.
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  • - Will finds what they need.
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  • - That's powerful, because I can see the person
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  • who did that in the store. - With intent.
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  • - Thinking they were helping.
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  • - Exactly.
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  • - And this is the conversation that (mumbling)
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  • game change.
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  • - Game change.
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  • - The lies have value, who's up who's down.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Who's forward who's behind.
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  • - The lies about value and its why
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  • - Yeah, so true.
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  • - Everybody can perpetuate racism,
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  • if I believe that I am less than,
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  • based on what I've seen in the country,
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  • my believe in how I live my life then perpetuates
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  • that same racism.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - So institutions are racists, and people
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  • are perpetuating it when we can't see it.
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  • So we've all got to realize where we are on the spectrum,
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  • and realize how the world sees us and be sensitive
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  • to the responsibilities that we have based
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  • on what the Lord has given us.
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  • - Racism is one of the biggest lies of the enemy,
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  • it's a spirit of hatred and it came straight
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  • from the pitt of hell,
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  • and so we have allowed this lie to go on way too long,
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  • and it's so important that we identify it for what it is.
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  • And we pray against it, and we say enough is enough.
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  • It's over, it stops here. It ends here,
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  • and I really think we have the authority and the ability
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  • to do that,
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  • it's not bigger, racism is not bigger
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  • than the grace of God, and the mercies of God
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  • and the love of God and the peace of God.
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  • Jesus conquered it a long time ago,
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  • and so we just have to recognize
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  • that we have that same power and authority.
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  • Keep it under our feet and never let
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  • it come up again.
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  • - I think it's really difficult for me
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  • when, because that is very real.
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  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
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  • - All of that.
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  • Your experience, your experience, very real.
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  • Which is there are bad people in this world
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  • who do bad things and they have multiple skinned colors.
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  • - Yes.
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  • - So - Right.
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  • - That really is the core, and if we can talk
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  • about the core of it, that there are bad people
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  • in this world who are gonna do bad things.
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  • - Right.
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  • - That's real, but I think what is painful
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  • is when the white community gets framed for being that,
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  • as the tone of the nation and I would say,
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  • yes that exist, but I don't believe that,
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  • that is the white America we live in.
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  • - Really?
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  • - I believe and here's why.
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  • I believe that, because I'm not that.
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  • - You're not that.
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  • - And you're not that.
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  • And you're not that, and there's a whole bunch of people
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  • who aren't that.
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  • I'm not saying that its 50/50.
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  • - Right.
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  • - I'm not saying a percentage but how can we learn
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  • and listen and help but also how can we not get framed
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  • into the positions where it's you against us.
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  • - Right. - You know what I'm saying.
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  • - Right, but the reason why we would see it,
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  • or I would see it. I think personally as it being white
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  • America, is because when the law
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  • once was,
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  • - Yeah.
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  • if somebodies black they can be accused
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  • for whatever, send to jail. It frames the world
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  • as white America because were going up against the law.
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  • - Right.
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  • - When you say that was a bad cop,
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  • you know all cops could pull us over for no reason
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  • and we have a whole - and it was legal.
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  • - lot of people in prison today who because of the color
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  • of their skin they went. You know
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  • - Yeah, yeah right.
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  • And so that's why it looks like its white America,
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  • because - but Lauri's story that
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  • she shared.
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  • - But she went through,
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  • so like you said it does not mean its everybody.
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  • - Right.
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  • - At all. There are people who are white that
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  • because ... its funny.
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  • Most black people and especially those who went through
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  • slavery, it was
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  • They were tortured because of white people,
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  • but also they were relieved because of white people.
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  • - The civil war.
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  • - All I'm saying is there were always people
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  • who were white with a pure heart
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  • - Adventurist.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - That said listen I'm against this.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - This is not right.
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  • - How can I help?
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  • - Yeah, how can I help. We would never have made it without
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  • white people.
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  • - That at - without the white people who
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  • really cared. You know what I'm saying.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - So that is a lie from the enemy for us to feel
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  • That everyone is like that or even that the majority
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  • is like that, but what we have had in the past
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  • and through out the history of this country
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  • is that the key people, the gate keepers
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  • have been like that.
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  • - It is just
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  • - That's the sad thing right? - Yeah.
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  • - Humanity is humanity, our snapshot of history
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  • in this country shows power flowing in a certain direction,
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  • from white people trickling down, down, down,
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  • down, down to people of color,
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  • and the first thing we have to do is one, I'm not here
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  • to shame you about that, so there no shame allowed.
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  • - No shame.
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  • - In my conversations period, when I'm talking
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  • about this, but the other thing is,
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  • it has flowed that way and we have to be able to acknowledge
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  • without putting on shame or taking on shame,
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  • that man that's really messed up.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And the flow of power has not been reversed,
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  • so when people say.
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  • This is why I think we've got to define terms based
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  • on Kingdom principles.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Because I'm never gonna call it white America.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Because I don't have enough
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  • - That's a terrible perfect statement.
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  • - I don't have any reason
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  • - I mean that is not in Jesus's heart we can't even
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  • - That's right.
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  • - Play with that. We can't even play with that.
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  • - I agree.
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  • - But I know what people are trying to identify
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  • with when they say it,
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  • and I can say that yes, racism is just a very specific
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  • type of discrimination.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Where it's against racist that would have been called
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  • racist - Yeah.
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  • - Against ethnicities, flowing from one direction down,
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  • and you can't not acknowledge that, that is how it's been.
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  • - I think racial divide is such a touchy topic
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  • because people are hurting and there is a lot of damage
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  • and pain that needs healing and I think its not an easy
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  • conversation but it's one we must have,
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  • and it needs to be in a safe place where people
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  • can be heard and to talk on both sides to become together
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  • to have a conversation, it's so important and the worse
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  • thing we can do is to continue the redderick
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  • of hate and pain and sides but coming together
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  • to talk with friends and reaching out and say, hey
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  • to talk to me about this, help me understand this,
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  • what could I do differently, how did this affect you?
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  • Questions like that, it's so worth the awkward
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  • but I think a lot of people just don't want to offend
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  • other people, but we can't use that excuse anymore.
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  • We've got to do the hard work and come together
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  • for conversations,
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  • - Man that's powerful.
  • 00:10:21.170 --> 00:10:22.190
  • - That's education. - Yeah.
  • 00:10:22.190 --> 00:10:24.050
  • - In knowing
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  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:10:25.010 --> 00:10:25.290
  • - Stuff that I think just
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  • - You'd have no idea.
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  • - Because - Right.
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  • - Because our world
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  • - Because I want to. I want to.
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  • - You want to.
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  • - Yeah.
  • 00:10:34.030 --> 00:10:34.280
  • - We want to.
  • 00:10:34.280 --> 00:10:36.070
  • - That's the intentional of it, but like you said
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  • I totally understand why you wouldn't know.
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  • - Yeah.
  • 00:10:41.140 --> 00:10:42.130
  • - Because that's not your heart.
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  • - Yeah.
  • 00:10:43.110 --> 00:10:44.190
  • - And I'm not mad at you for that.
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  • - You know what I'm saying. - Yeah.
  • 00:10:45.260 --> 00:10:46.280
  • - And but at the same time
  • 00:10:46.280 --> 00:10:47.230
  • - But I wanna know.
  • 00:10:47.230 --> 00:10:49.070
  • - Because of talking and conversation you begin to know
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  • - Yeah.
  • 00:10:52.140 --> 00:10:53.210
  • - And it makes you more aware.
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  • - Yeah because nobody would
  • 00:10:55.130 --> 00:10:57.010
  • - But its not because
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  • - Want anybody to feel less than
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  • - No.
  • 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.050
  • - That's not going to help any of us.
  • 00:11:00.050 --> 00:11:00.250
  • - That's right.
  • 00:11:00.250 --> 00:11:01.240
  • - No. - You know what I mean.
  • 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.100
  • This aint going to help any of us if someone feels less
  • 00:11:03.100 --> 00:11:05.240
  • than because they're not going to take their best
  • 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.180
  • - Yes.
  • 00:11:07.180 --> 00:11:08.240
  • - To their community, to their children
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  • - Right.
  • 00:11:09.220 --> 00:11:10.210
  • - That's right.
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  • - Perpetuate.
  • 00:11:11.160 --> 00:11:12.110
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:11:12.110 --> 00:11:13.270
  • - The fact that you know. God wants us to all be successful.
  • 00:11:13.270 --> 00:11:16.070
  • - And like you said going back to knowing your identity.
  • 00:11:16.070 --> 00:11:18.020
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:11:18.020 --> 00:11:19.080
  • - But if we as black people take our identity
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  • from the queues we've been given in America,
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  • we would definitely feel less than.
  • 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.230
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:11:28.230 --> 00:11:30.000
  • - On every - Yes
  • 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.130
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:11:31.130 --> 00:11:32.210
  • - I found a little book a classic published book
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  • that I had gotten Gabriel that I used to read
  • 00:11:35.270 --> 00:11:38.110
  • and it was about fireman and I looked back and I thought
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  • Oh, this was written so long ago,
  • 00:11:42.040 --> 00:11:44.020
  • because it was like drawn illustration of 30 fireman
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  • all white, no woman, no diversity at all
  • 00:11:47.210 --> 00:11:52.010
  • and you would be surprised how hard it is for me to find
  • 00:11:52.010 --> 00:11:55.010
  • Christian children's books with little brown kids
  • 00:11:55.010 --> 00:11:58.080
  • illustrated and I'm like I just want to show my kid
  • 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.150
  • he's in the story of God. - Yeah.
  • 00:12:01.150 --> 00:12:03.100
  • - Somebody please.
  • 00:12:03.100 --> 00:12:04.180
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:12:04.180 --> 00:12:05.170
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:12:05.170 --> 00:12:06.240
  • - Paint a brown boy and girl you know.
  • 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.090
  • - And as a white mom we have three biological children
  • 00:12:08.090 --> 00:12:11.060
  • and one adopted mix baby who's our pride and joy.
  • 00:12:11.060 --> 00:12:14.180
  • But I've experienced that like in so may hard like ways,
  • 00:12:14.180 --> 00:12:19.180
  • you know.
  • 00:12:21.140 --> 00:12:23.000
  • I'm just like people they can't know the difference,
  • 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.210
  • you know so how do we help people and I think if we could
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  • learn without the hatred like what, this is love.
  • 00:12:28.270 --> 00:12:33.200
  • This is learning and love.
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  • - Yes.
  • 00:12:35.010 --> 00:12:36.160
  • - But if could learn without the punishment of not knowing
  • 00:12:36.160 --> 00:12:39.100
  • - Yes. Yes.
  • 00:12:39.100 --> 00:12:40.160
  • - And that's what's killer.
  • 00:12:40.160 --> 00:12:42.100
  • - It's the punishment. - Yeah.
  • 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:44.030
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:12:44.030 --> 00:12:45.110
  • - Its tough to get to step over that,
  • 00:12:45.110 --> 00:12:47.090
  • and I think so many people there are is not able to
  • 00:12:47.090 --> 00:12:50.100
  • it may be dumb it may be mis-educated but to get over
  • 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:54.070
  • that like this, I think is what breaks
  • 00:12:54.070 --> 00:12:57.040
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:12:57.040 --> 00:12:58.200
  • - And this is what helps us to learn and to know what to do
  • 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.040
  • when something comes up or when there's a heated topic,
  • 00:13:01.040 --> 00:13:04.020
  • you know. This week alone was a rough week and I called
  • 00:13:04.020 --> 00:13:07.070
  • Joshua Cobs and we talked for an hour,
  • 00:13:07.070 --> 00:13:09.220
  • I said friend talk to me, here's what's going on
  • 00:13:09.220 --> 00:13:12.120
  • but tell me your heart tell me your experience.
  • 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.230
  • You know and it was everything just calling my friend
  • 00:13:14.230 --> 00:13:17.210
  • and I think this is such an answer.
  • 00:13:17.210 --> 00:13:20.160
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:13:20.160 --> 00:13:22.000
  • - To hearing and knowing and when there is something
  • 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.250
  • that happens that we talk about it, we hear from each other
  • 00:13:24.250 --> 00:13:26.250
  • learn and know how to be better and do better, you know.
  • 00:13:26.250 --> 00:13:30.080
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:31.240
  • - And make changes.
  • 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.120
  • - Make changes.
  • 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.070
  • - What and again
  • 00:13:34.070 --> 00:13:35.110
  • - Yeah. - How do we do that?
  • 00:13:35.110 --> 00:13:37.010
  • With the Holy Spirit will help us.
  • 00:13:37.010 --> 00:13:38.250
  • - Yes, - Yeah.
  • 00:13:38.250 --> 00:13:40.100
  • - That's what we all have, we all have the Holy Spirit.
  • 00:13:40.100 --> 00:13:42.060
  • - Yeah. - Yes.
  • 00:13:42.060 --> 00:13:43.110
  • - And man we're relying on the Holy Spirit
  • 00:13:43.110 --> 00:13:44.240
  • - Yeah. - Yes.
  • 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:45.190
  • - Go bud.
  • 00:13:45.190 --> 00:13:46.200
  • - More than ever before.
  • 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.080
  • - We never not have this conversation the way the world
  • 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:51.140
  • has in here. - No, no no no no
  • 00:13:51.140 --> 00:13:53.040
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:13:53.040 --> 00:13:54.190
  • - Though our Lord has given us, He's described to us
  • 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:57.020
  • what this world is compared to the Kingdom.
  • 00:13:57.020 --> 00:13:59.230
  • - Yeah that's right.
  • 00:13:59.230 --> 00:14:00.230
  • - And we can use his terms.
  • 00:14:00.230 --> 00:14:02.040
  • - Yes.
  • 00:14:02.040 --> 00:14:03.100
  • - To be together on this, to talk about it,
  • 00:14:03.100 --> 00:14:05.170
  • we're going to to.
  • 00:14:05.170 --> 00:14:06.120
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:07.100
  • - Our kids lives depend on it,
  • 00:14:07.100 --> 00:14:09.000
  • - Yeah, - Yeah.
  • 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:09.250
  • - So I think that a conversation on race in America,
  • 00:14:11.030 --> 00:14:14.170
  • we're going to have to one, forgive people for not knowing
  • 00:14:14.170 --> 00:14:18.000
  • what they can't know and actually tell
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  • them what we're feeling, and then the responsibility
  • 00:14:20.280 --> 00:14:23.240
  • to respond well is huge and say I'm sorry,
  • 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:28.170
  • I'm sorry that that's happening and in this case
  • 00:14:28.170 --> 00:14:31.140
  • it's not even about assigning blame.
  • 00:14:31.140 --> 00:14:33.070
  • It is walking side by side and realizing, Wow
  • 00:14:33.070 --> 00:14:38.070
  • there's something that I benefit from that you don't
  • 00:14:39.220 --> 00:14:42.230
  • and I just didn't realize it and that breaks
  • 00:14:42.230 --> 00:14:45.260
  • my heart for you.
  • 00:14:45.260 --> 00:14:46.240
  • And that's a great start.
  • 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.210
  • - Its hard, hard thing.
  • 00:14:50.290 --> 00:14:52.190
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:14:52.190 --> 00:14:53.180
  • - And its
  • 00:14:53.180 --> 00:14:54.130
  • It's an emotional conversation
  • 00:14:56.030 --> 00:14:58.190
  • and I think there is something to.
  • 00:14:58.190 --> 00:15:02.070
  • We're just scratching
  • 00:15:02.070 --> 00:15:03.220
  • the surface of how, there have been people
  • 00:15:03.220 --> 00:15:06.150
  • working on this for many many years and they
  • 00:15:06.150 --> 00:15:08.260
  • John Perkins he wrote a book called One Blood,
  • 00:15:08.260 --> 00:15:11.280
  • the last thing he would say to the American or to the church
  • 00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:15.040
  • and it's people have been working on this for ever,
  • 00:15:15.040 --> 00:15:18.060
  • but the reality is we've got to start
  • 00:15:18.060 --> 00:15:21.150
  • having the conversation and realizing that it's messy
  • 00:15:21.150 --> 00:15:24.270
  • and I think when you get messy out and you emotional
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  • out , phew.
  • 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:31.010
  • - Yeah. - Beautiful.
  • 00:15:31.010 --> 00:15:32.160
  • - All kinds of things come out but beauty comes out
  • 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:34.290
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:15:34.290 --> 00:15:35.270
  • - If you do it with the Lord.
  • 00:15:35.270 --> 00:15:37.070
  • - If you do it with the Lord.
  • 00:15:37.070 --> 00:15:38.130
  • - And I think we've just got to be committed
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  • to doing it with the Lord.
  • 00:15:39.110 --> 00:15:40.100
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:15:40.100 --> 00:15:41.170
  • - I mean its amazing when you're aware,
  • 00:15:41.170 --> 00:15:43.010
  • you see it in your lineage when you didn't know it was there
  • 00:15:43.010 --> 00:15:46.070
  • like as a child things my grandparents said,
  • 00:15:46.070 --> 00:15:48.290
  • goodhearted Jesus loving people,
  • 00:15:48.290 --> 00:15:52.080
  • they said some things
  • 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:53.250
  • that were completely unacceptable.
  • 00:15:53.250 --> 00:15:55.180
  • And I didn't realize it until I was and adult
  • 00:15:55.180 --> 00:15:57.200
  • and looking back on it an and I went, O gosh.
  • 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.290
  • - Skeletons.
  • 00:16:00.290 --> 00:16:02.060
  • - So its not removed, but it's been corrected.
  • 00:16:02.060 --> 00:16:04.040
  • - That's good.
  • 00:16:04.040 --> 00:16:05.020
  • - And its been addressed.
  • 00:16:05.020 --> 00:16:06.110
  • - That's good. - And I think that's a lot,
  • 00:16:06.110 --> 00:16:07.230
  • but when we hear it like Victoria said, the water cooler
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  • when we hear these things being said,
  • 00:16:10.030 --> 00:16:12.080
  • we have to speak into it.
  • 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:13.240
  • - We have to speak into it. - Yes.
  • 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.090
  • - We do, we need to speak into it.
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  • - That's the thing.
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  • - And in love bring correction.
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  • - Family members are going to say things
  • 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.010
  • from their generation that we cringe now when we hear it.
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  • And I think we've got to
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  • forgive past generations for not
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  • knowing what we know first of all in our own families
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  • and then be willing to have the hard conversation in love
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  • if we come up against that in a family gathering
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  • or a conversation because that
  • 00:16:43.270 --> 00:16:48.060
  • - that still moves us forward.
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  • You many not feel like standing up for right in love
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  • at the Thanksgiving table or the Christmas dinner table
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  • or the whatever Sunday gathering table,
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  • makes a difference but I promise you that it does
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  • because that multiplies, that multiplies just you being
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  • willing to stand up.
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  • - What do you think would be helpful,
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  • you know were all leaders in our own worlds,
  • 00:17:29.090 --> 00:17:32.170
  • you know but what would be helpful for us to do in small
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  • ways or big ways or communication ways.
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  • - We have a very diverse church you know and so I think
  • 00:17:39.290 --> 00:17:44.220
  • it's really taken out time to be intentional.
  • 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:48.270
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:17:48.270 --> 00:17:49.230
  • - With training manuals.
  • 00:17:49.230 --> 00:17:50.260
  • - That's great.
  • 00:17:50.260 --> 00:17:52.120
  • - I think we can no longer say that we don't need it.
  • 00:17:52.120 --> 00:17:53.080
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:17:53.080 --> 00:17:54.030
  • - Because we need it.
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  • - Yes.
  • 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:56.120
  • - Just so that we can actually do what Jesus prayed for,
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  • - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying,
  • 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.110
  • He prayed that we would be one.
  • 00:18:00.110 --> 00:18:01.230
  • - Yes.
  • 00:18:01.230 --> 00:18:03.070
  • - As he is the Father, you know what I'm saying.
  • 00:18:03.070 --> 00:18:04.010
  • So that's serious words.
  • 00:18:04.010 --> 00:18:05.000
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:05.250
  • - That's Jesus.
  • 00:18:05.250 --> 00:18:06.250
  • - That's something you gotta
  • 00:18:06.250 --> 00:18:08.090
  • - Gotta make it one.
  • 00:18:08.090 --> 00:18:10.040
  • - like you said as the Holy Spirit and then there's gonna
  • 00:18:10.040 --> 00:18:11.180
  • be some action that have to take place.
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  • - Yeah. - Right.
  • 00:18:13.170 --> 00:18:14.240
  • - So I think, I think conversation
  • 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:15.290
  • and trainings would be great. - Yeah.
  • 00:18:15.290 --> 00:18:17.140
  • - In our churches, because its not even just for the church
  • 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:19.150
  • pensile but the world would really see the church
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  • for who it's suppose to be.
  • 00:18:22.180 --> 00:18:23.200
  • - Yeah. - That's right yes.
  • 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.060
  • - You know because it's the oneness that's going to draw
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  • them in before Jesus comes back.
  • 00:18:27.170 --> 00:18:28.170
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:18:28.170 --> 00:18:29.240
  • - And so that's why I feel an urgency
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  • - Yes.
  • 00:18:31.110 --> 00:18:32.180
  • - Of doing something that is on going.
  • 00:18:32.180 --> 00:18:35.010
  • - Like you said a little while ago,
  • 00:18:35.010 --> 00:18:39.040
  • the civil rights movement could not have moved forward
  • 00:18:39.040 --> 00:18:43.010
  • with just people of color, so the reality is we have always
  • 00:18:43.010 --> 00:18:47.120
  • needed unity and where we've seen it really take
  • 00:18:47.120 --> 00:18:50.170
  • off is when people of God, no matter what color
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  • join the conversation and join and saying Okay,
  • 00:18:56.290 --> 00:18:59.270
  • Lord what's my part?
  • 00:18:59.270 --> 00:19:00.270
  • - Right.
  • 00:19:00.270 --> 00:19:02.030
  • - Because who knows what everybody's part is,
  • 00:19:02.030 --> 00:19:03.210
  • everybody has different gifts.
  • 00:19:03.210 --> 00:19:04.160
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:05.140
  • - So I mean its this story is,
  • 00:19:05.140 --> 00:19:08.180
  • is richer than you verses me them verses they.
  • 00:19:10.100 --> 00:19:13.020
  • - Yes.
  • 00:19:13.020 --> 00:19:14.170
  • - This is a rich story and if we jump in the conversation
  • 00:19:14.170 --> 00:19:18.260
  • we'll realize that it's only been moved by the people of God
  • 00:19:18.260 --> 00:19:21.290
  • when we've gotten our ear to the Holy Spirit.
  • 00:19:21.290 --> 00:19:24.250
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:19:24.250 --> 00:19:26.030
  • - And saying what is it that You want me to do?
  • 00:19:26.030 --> 00:19:28.020
  • - Yeah. - Yes.
  • 00:19:28.020 --> 00:19:29.150
  • - It's going to be individual, it's going to be messy,
  • 00:19:29.150 --> 00:19:31.100
  • it's going to be grass roots,
  • 00:19:31.100 --> 00:19:33.060
  • but it is like let me at least find myself in the place
  • 00:19:33.060 --> 00:19:37.110
  • to get the information that I need from the Lord.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - So that when the opportunity presents itself,
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  • I know how to respond.
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  • - Right.
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  • - The best part about being different is we can learn
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  • from each other. There's nothing more exciting
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  • than to get to know someone who's had totally different
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  • experiences than I have, who's come from different places.
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  • You know they've been somewhere that I haven't been
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  • and they can teach me, and I think one of the greatest
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  • things that we can do is just have a heart that's teachable
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  • and open to learn, I believe that when we do that
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  • we'll be able to expand our thinking and our horizons
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  • and I believe that when we do that, we'll draw closer
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  • to one another, we'll appreciate each other and we'll value
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  • one another much more.
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  • - So I think as leaders creating opportunity for unity
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - You know creating opportunities,
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  • - That's real, that's what my whole job at my church is.
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  • - Well I think that needs to be a job everywhere,
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Yeah, I think we probably should have been at it,
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  • but we definitely need it now.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - Because it's just time for the church to arise,
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - But we have to consider it all.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - If we're gonna walk in the power that we have to walk in.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - You know.
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  • And so I think that's a great start,
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  • I just think it's more than one conversation.
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  • - Yes. - Yes.
  • 00:21:00.280 --> 00:21:02.100
  • - You know, but it's an ongoing conversation to restore
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  • what's been lost.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - But also for our children going forward.
  • 00:21:08.120 --> 00:21:09.040
  • - Yeah.
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  • - Yes.
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  • - They shouldn't have to stumble
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  • through the dark to find out,
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  • - Yes.
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  • They should know exactly what does God say
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  • - Yes.
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  • - Who are we and how do we relate to one another?
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  • - Yes.
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  • - Right. - Yes.
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  • - You know and that's something
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  • that we can't wait on the world to do.
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  • - Right. - Right.
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  • - We have to do it as the church.
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  • - Right. - Yeah.
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  • - You know, so because of your church being diverse
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  • and this - Yeah
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  • - I mean the pastor of the world,
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  • - Wow.
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  • - What have you guys
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  • (Speakers talking over each other)
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  • - Pastor of the world, I like it.
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  • (Speaker drowned out)
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  • - One of you, and Jules
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  • you know you have a very diverse church
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  • so what have you done as far as healing the divide?
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  • What do you think you guys do?
  • 00:21:49.090 --> 00:21:51.080
  • - Well you know the truth is we took on the church 20 years
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  • ago, I can't even believe its been that long.
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  • When Jules father passed away.
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  • - Unbelievable.
  • 00:21:58.290 --> 00:22:00.090
  • - Its already been 20 years, yeah.
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  • - And so I heard that the face of our church actually
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  • you know has always been very diverse.
  • 00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:07.050
  • In fact Jules thought to himself O no what's gonna happen
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  • when this kid that's this white kid comes along you know.
  • 00:22:10.290 --> 00:22:15.130
  • - Yeah because (mumbling)
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  • - What's gonna happen I mean to everything and you know
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  • what I just walked in love, I don't really see the
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  • difference as much and that's why I love this conversation.
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  • Very educating to me you know, when you haven't walked
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  • in someone's shoes, sometimes you don't understand
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  • and that could be
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  • - Right.
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  • - Anybody.
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  • - That's right.
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  • - And it is.
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  • - That can be anybody and that's what I think we need to do.
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  • Is just begin to be willing to walk with someone
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  • and understand them, but you know I just,
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  • I guess not seeing is not an excuse
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  • but I, we love people.
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  • - You love people.
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  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And I think that's the basic line, we don't
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  • - You just love people.
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  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
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  • - Yeah.
  • 00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:06.020
  • - I mean that is probably with all of you all,
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  • I mean I remember, yes I was there.
  • 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:08.270
  • - You've been in our church forever.
  • 00:23:08.270 --> 00:23:10.070
  • - That's right, before yeah, before your dad.
  • 00:23:10.070 --> 00:23:12.240
  • - Dad, yeah.
  • 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.010
  • - Yeah, BB and I where the first places we sang
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  • was by their church, yeah so he's
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  • he always embraced everybody.
  • 00:23:18.210 --> 00:23:20.070
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:23:20.070 --> 00:23:21.020
  • - Yes.
  • 00:23:21.020 --> 00:23:22.210
  • - Its like he used to say (speakers talking over each other)
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  • - Circle to keep me out, I'm gonna draw a bigger circle.
  • 00:23:24.130 --> 00:23:27.120
  • - Yes he did.
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  • - To put you in.
  • 00:23:28.070 --> 00:23:29.130
  • - Yeah dad gone and did that.
  • 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:30.240
  • - So that should just the mentality that
  • 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.120
  • - That's the mindset.
  • 00:23:32.120 --> 00:23:33.070
  • - That's the mindset.
  • 00:23:33.070 --> 00:23:34.130
  • - Yeah you were raised with that mindset.
  • 00:23:34.130 --> 00:23:35.200
  • - That's true, that's true.
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  • - You have to know that that is such a special
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  • gift and legacy.
  • 00:23:39.070 --> 00:23:40.270
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:23:40.270 --> 00:23:41.220
  • - It is.
  • 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:43.070
  • - Not many people on any side has been given that.
  • 00:23:43.070 --> 00:23:44.260
  • - That's right.
  • 00:23:44.260 --> 00:23:46.020
  • - That's a gift. - So true.
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  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:23:46.280 --> 00:23:47.230
  • - So true.
  • 00:23:47.230 --> 00:23:49.000
  • - So what would you say would be the one liner
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  • from that for people to look out
  • 00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:55.150
  • - Somehow he
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  • - He purposefully embraced everybody.
  • 00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:59.290
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:23:59.290 --> 00:24:01.170
  • - You know, he didn't have to have us at his church.
  • 00:24:01.170 --> 00:24:02.030
  • - Right.
  • 00:24:02.030 --> 00:24:02.280
  • - With action.
  • 00:24:02.280 --> 00:24:04.010
  • - You know so yeah, with action.
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  • - Beautiful.
  • 00:24:05.050 --> 00:24:06.110
  • - Actions speak louder than words. Yeah.
  • 00:24:06.110 --> 00:24:07.230
  • - They were tiring words, inviting
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  • Inviting people to the table and I just
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  • saying we got you a seat but making sure that you can eat
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  • at the table like I have allergies so its like if you're
  • 00:24:16.100 --> 00:24:20.010
  • inviting me to the table (crosstalk)
  • 00:24:20.010 --> 00:24:21.170
  • - You gotta pay me extra.
  • 00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:22.230
  • - To make the lasagna.
  • 00:24:22.230 --> 00:24:23.290
  • - I can't have it.
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  • (Speakers talking over each other)
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  • - Yeah so its that kind of thing.
  • 00:24:26.120 --> 00:24:28.190
  • Inviting people to the table and making sure
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  • they actually not only have a seat
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  • but can partake in the meal.
  • 00:24:32.190 --> 00:24:34.110
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:24:34.110 --> 00:24:35.190
  • - And it sounds like he did that intentionally.
  • 00:24:35.190 --> 00:24:37.140
  • - Intentionally.
  • 00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:38.090
  • - Yeah. - Yeah.
  • 00:24:38.090 --> 00:24:39.040
  • - That's him though.
  • 00:24:39.040 --> 00:24:40.180
  • - Doesn't that mean that your racist or you hate people
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  • if you don't do it intentionally, it's just that you're
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  • not being intentional about making change.
  • 00:24:45.220 --> 00:24:48.070
  • - Yeah. - Right.
  • 00:24:48.070 --> 00:24:49.130
  • - You know about including everybody.
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  • I think that we all can do better than that.
  • 00:24:50.250 --> 00:24:52.180
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:54.030
  • - I mean better in that by reaching out and calling
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  • somebody or saying you know what lets do something
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  • with this church over here.
  • 00:24:59.030 --> 00:25:00.100
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:25:00.100 --> 00:25:01.040
  • - Lets do something
  • 00:25:01.040 --> 00:25:02.020
  • - Like you said (mumbling).
  • 00:25:02.020 --> 00:25:03.160
  • - You know because we can all be busy doing a good thing
  • 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:04.290
  • but at the same time slowing down enough to say
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  • How can I actually help unity.
  • 00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:11.040
  • - Yeah.
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  • - To come to a higher level in the Kingdom of God.
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  • - Yeah.
  • 00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:15.230
  • - We are the world.
  • 00:25:15.230 --> 00:25:17.070
  • - The challenges that we're facing in this world
  • 00:25:17.070 --> 00:25:20.180
  • can become overwhelming if you're not really careful.
  • 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:26.050
  • The bible says be anxious enough
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  • but through prayer and sub legation with Thanksgiving
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  • make your requests know to the Lord and the peace of that
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  • that surpasses all understanding will guard your heart
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  • and mine through Christ Jesus.
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  • We can conquer anything through prayer,
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  • through obeying the word of God.
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  • God is bigger than any challenge so be encouraged
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  • don't give up. All we can do is what God has told us to do.
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  • Day by day, little by little and before you know it
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  • we have conquered the problem.
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  • So whatever God tells you to do, do it.
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  • Little becomes much when you place it in His hands.
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  • Father God we thank you for the power and the anointing
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  • that we carry because we have the Holy Spirit,
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  • I pray for unity in the body of Christ,
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  • I come against every spirit of division
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  • we cast every spirit of hatred out of the heart and minds
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  • of the people, Holy Spirit I asked that you would give us
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  • the wisdom that we need to come together and to love
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  • one another the way Christ love us.
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  • Lord we thank you in advance for a unified church,
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  • I thank You in advance for doing the impossible so that
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  • people will see who You are and the love that we have for
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  • one another in Jesus name I pray. Amen.
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