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July 17, 2019
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  • - Many of you have asked how to share your faith
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  • with family or friends who are atheist
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  • or have been deeply wounded by Christians.
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  • Is there a right way to share God's love?
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  • Let's talk about it.
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  • Ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo
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  • - Jennie asked this question on Instagram.
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  • How do I explain faith to an adamant unbeliever?
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  • - You don't (laughing).
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  • - Well actually what I found interesting
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  • is that she used the word, adamant.
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  • So to me-- - She's already tried.
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  • (laughing)
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  • - But if someone, if someone would say that they're,
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  • that's that adamant
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  • then they were hurt somewhere.
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  • - It's true. - Right,
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  • so nobody is an adamant unbeliever
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  • that hasn't experienced hurt.
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  • There's a reason, right,
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  • that they're adamant about it.
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  • But even if just thinking about sharing our faith
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  • and I know people ask that
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  • and people wanna know how to do that.
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  • I just think we make it more complicated
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  • then it really has to be. - I think so too.
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  • - So for me, I mean, again,
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  • and you guys can speak to this,
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  • but for me I just think it's more important
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  • to live it than to say it. - Yep.
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  • - Absolutely. - Can they tell?
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  • - Can they tell.
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  • I remember this one time I was sitting,
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  • honestly with a bunch of girlfriends at lunch
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  • and we were like, like here we are,
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  • and we were laughing and we were having so much fun
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  • and at the end of it
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  • this person comes up to me and said,
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  • can you tell me what it is
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  • about you guys? - Right.
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  • - 'Cause I just have never seen happy people like that,
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  • like a real joy.
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  • Well, then that led into a conversation
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  • and the next thing you know they're in my world
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  • and so to me it's not that complicated.
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  • It's, throwing faith in a conversation.
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  • You know I have this tattoo that says, she rises,
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  • and so often times people go, oh, what does that say?
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  • And I say, well, there's a verse in the Bible
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  • that talks about women.
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  • And immediately if I'm talking they'll go,
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  • what does it say? - Yeah.
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  • - And I say well, it means that when dark times are around
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  • she rises, and they're like, really?
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  • And so then it just starts a conversation.
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  • - I believe that how we live our lives
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  • is the best way to demonstrate to people
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  • what living for Jesus is like.
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  • When we are looking for a great restaurant
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  • we wanna read all the reviews.
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  • We wanna see what other people have experienced.
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  • If we went to that restaurant
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  • what would our experience be?
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  • So we see what other people's experiences have been.
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  • Just the same we, our experience,
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  • is what people wanna know.
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  • If they came to know Jesus what would it be like.
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  • If I came to Jesus what kind of life would I be living,
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  • what kind of joy would I have,
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  • what kind of peace would I have
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  • and our life is like a recommendation
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  • for something we experienced
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  • and it let's people know what is available to them
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  • if they too came and try to see the person of Jesus.
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  • - We spiritualize everything
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  • and then it's like we're no good
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  • for what's here with earth, right?
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  • And we do have to just live this thing out
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  • in front of them.
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  • I love how you say, most of 'em have been hurt somewhere,
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  • because I'll talk to some, I will talk to some people
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  • and they'll say things like,
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  • yeah, I'm an atheist, I don't believe in God.
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  • And I'm saying you work too hard not to believe in God,
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  • you believe in God.
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  • (laughing)
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  • You work too hard, where have you been hurt?
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  • And the first thing they will say,
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  • yeah, I'm done with church people.
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  • Well, what did God do to you, you know, it's people.
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  • They turn their back away from God
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  • because of what people have done.
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  • And so we can be that demonstration in front of them
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  • then they'll wanna hear what you have to say, right?
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  • - I think so. - You know,
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  • and I just think this is actually what
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  • your husband's pretty exceptional at,
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  • I think the relating to people
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  • who don't know God. - Yeah.
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  • - I was getting on an airplane one time
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  • and I had one of Joel's books with me,
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  • so you can tell him I read his book,
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  • and I'm getting on the plane
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  • and the flight attendant says, who says,
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  • ah, I watch him I like how he talks.
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  • And so then I engage with her.
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  • She's not a Christian, still on that journey,
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  • but open-- - Yeah.
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  • - To conversation.
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  • So he sowed the seeds, I get to add a little water
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  • to the conversations without beatin' somebody up.
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  • And I just think that's why it's not that hard.
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  • - And God gets to bring
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  • the increase. - Exactly.
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  • - I think we put too much pressure on ourselves,
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  • we're supposed to go into all the world
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  • and preach the good news, we're supposed to,
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  • but we put so much pressure on ourself
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  • that it's up to us-- - Right.
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  • - But I believe what you said
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  • is that one waters, one plants, one waters,
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  • but God brings the increase.
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  • And so if you're not so concerned about, you know,
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  • I got me a soul today, I caught me a fish today,
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  • but just like you said, living your life
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  • knowing that man when you're just throwing around the joy
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  • and doing your best to help others
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  • God is the one that brings-- - Yes.
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  • - People to him. - Yep.
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  • - And I think that just,
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  • that just takes the pressure off.
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  • I think sharing your faith is so individual.
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  • God's got a different calling on all of our lives.
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  • We're all called to be ministers of the gospel
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  • and I believe that God'll move you in the direction,
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  • bring people across your path,
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  • that he wants you to love and you to share his love with.
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  • So I just encourage you if God puts it on your heart
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  • show love, tell 'em about Jesus, tell him,
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  • tell them what he's done for you.
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  • Because I am a pastor of a church
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  • I feel weird always having to talk to people about Christ.
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  • You know, I know this sounds very odd,
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  • but that's what I do. - Right.
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  • - So when I go the store, or I begin to talk to someone,
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  • I'm not, I don't go, where do you go to church?
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  • Where do you, 'cause it's like,
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  • am I recruiting
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  • for my church? - Right.
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  • - You know, I mean, I have to admit I feel kind of funny.
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  • I just wanna be a normal person, I'm normal, I love God,
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  • how are you? - Yeah.
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  • - You know, but I have a friend sometimes that goes with me
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  • and that's her question.
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  • (laughing) - Where do you go to church?
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  • Wanna do that, do you wanna do that?
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  • Which is great, but she doesn't feel
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  • the same pressure I do. - Right.
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  • - So, you know, I think we have
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  • to kinda customize it and make
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  • it our own. - You do, yeah,
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  • you do, but you, again, you gotta be spirit led
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  • because if not you're gonna throw some people off.
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  • It's a turn off to some and then it maybe something
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  • that somebody else need.
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  • Like I may need to be invited to church,
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  • but this person over here just
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  • wants a smile. - Yeah.
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  • - So if you go at this person, you know,
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  • where do you go to church?
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  • I don't go to church and don't wanna even
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  • talk to you. - Right.
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  • - But if you come in with a smile and be nice,
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  • I remember one time I was in a grocery store,
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  • I'm a giver at heart, my husband and I we love giving,
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  • and I was in a grocery store
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  • and a young lady was on the phone
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  • and she was talking to her mother,
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  • her mother wanted her to do her hair
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  • and I'm all in the conversation.
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  • (laughing)
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  • I had nothing to do with
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  • the conversation. - 'Cause you do hair.
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  • - 'Cause I do hair, so she's like ma,
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  • I don't feel like doing your hair today,
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  • you know, just talking.
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  • And when she got off the phone I said,
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  • now you know it's not gonna take you long
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  • to do your mother's hair
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  • why won't you just go ahead and do it?
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  • And so she was looking at me and we just laughed
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  • and started talking and then I paid for her food,
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  • you know, in the line, never told her about church,
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  • never said anything, I just say,
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  • hey, just wanna be a blessin' to ya
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  • and pay for your stuff.
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  • Well, about two years later
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  • I needed someone to come braid my hair,
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  • someone posted it and she was the one that showed up.
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  • I didn't know it was her and she said,
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  • you don't remember me do you?
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  • I said, no.
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  • She said, you paid for my groceries in the grocery store
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  • and you told me to go and do my mom's hair.
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  • And it's like, woosh, so now that gave me an opportunity
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  • to minister to her-- - Right.
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  • - To tell her about this Jesus that I serve
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  • and like you need to get planted in a good church.
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  • But if I would've went at her, you know,
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  • totally wrong in the beginning
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  • that could've been a turn off. - Right.
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  • - So you have to be sensitive to know
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  • how to identify moments when you can say
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  • what you need to say.
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  • - I think something that applies to all of us
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  • in every environment because he's already said this,
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  • is to be loving and kind always in every environment
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  • that you walk into.
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  • And I do, at the same time I do think
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  • there are moments when the Spirit of God leads us
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  • into a situation because we have the answer
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  • that maybe this struggle this person is having.
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  • I remember one time I told the story
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  • that I was,
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  • I had four different boarding passes on an airplane
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  • because every time I went the seat
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  • I had to change seats with someone
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  • and I was getting frustrated by the time
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  • I finally get to my seat.
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  • But it turns out I'm gonna ultimately
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  • be sitting next to someone
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  • who is struggling in their marriage
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  • and I can actually help with that.
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  • And it's like we're supposed be like salt and light, right?
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  • So, you know, we were laughing last night it's like
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  • we're supposed to make people thirsty not kill them.
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  • Not make 'em gag with
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  • all the salt. - (mumbles)
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  • - [Hosanna] Add flavor, like salt
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  • adds flavor. - Flavor.
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  • - Like the woman saw you
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  • and they're like, what is it about you guys,
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  • you have more flavor. - Right.
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  • - Or what is this about you
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  • I'm gonna into this event, you have more flavor.
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  • Like your salt adds flavor-- - Right.
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  • - It's adds joy.
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  • If we were filled with the Spirit
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  • then what people would be seeing us produce
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  • is love and joy and faithfulness, kindness,
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  • patience, self-control,
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  • like they are attracted-- - Yes.
  • 00:09:04.030 --> 00:09:06.000
  • - To, the Bible talks about
  • 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:07.150
  • how we're a sweet aroma, you know, they would sense it,
  • 00:09:07.150 --> 00:09:10.210
  • they would smell it, they would feel the difference.
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  • You wouldn't, I don't know what I think
  • 00:09:12.260 --> 00:09:14.230
  • about this word, explain Jesus.
  • 00:09:14.230 --> 00:09:18.010
  • Because I understand that we explain a lot of things
  • 00:09:18.010 --> 00:09:20.070
  • about Christianity and we explain a lot of things
  • 00:09:20.070 --> 00:09:22.000
  • about faith, but I don't know
  • 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.200
  • that I have ever led someone to Jesus
  • 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:25.030
  • by explaining-- - Or arguing.
  • 00:09:25.030 --> 00:09:27.010
  • - Well, you can't.
  • 00:09:27.010 --> 00:09:28.210
  • The Bible talks about how that's foolishness unto them
  • 00:09:28.210 --> 00:09:31.050
  • they can't even understand those things
  • 00:09:31.050 --> 00:09:33.070
  • and so for you to go in and try to explain
  • 00:09:33.070 --> 00:09:35.230
  • who Jesus is-- - Right.
  • 00:09:35.230 --> 00:09:37.090
  • - They are not gonna
  • 00:09:37.090 --> 00:09:38.140
  • receive that. - They wanna see it.
  • 00:09:38.140 --> 00:09:39.160
  • - They wanna see it. - Right.
  • 00:09:39.160 --> 00:09:40.230
  • - It's like tell me what did Jesus do for you?
  • 00:09:40.230 --> 00:09:43.000
  • - But you would know the difference,
  • 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.060
  • like people know the difference,
  • 00:09:45.060 --> 00:09:46.150
  • people aren't dumb-- - Yeah.
  • 00:09:46.150 --> 00:09:47.130
  • - They know the difference.
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  • A lot of my close friends are not Christians
  • 00:09:48.250 --> 00:09:50.290
  • and they know the difference
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  • 'cause they knew Hosanna,
  • 00:09:52.150 --> 00:09:53.220
  • like before Lorie Crouch knew Hosanna,
  • 00:09:53.220 --> 00:09:55.240
  • they knew a different version of Hosanna.
  • 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.080
  • They have no question that I'm a different woman,
  • 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:59.060
  • they have no question and for a lot of them
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  • I'm the only saved person in their life.
  • 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.150
  • But they know that I'm a great friend, a loyal friend,
  • 00:10:02.150 --> 00:10:05.030
  • joyful, giving, and when they're in a crisis
  • 00:10:05.030 --> 00:10:07.060
  • they come to me.
  • 00:10:07.060 --> 00:10:08.040
  • Like we give this, we know it,
  • 00:10:08.040 --> 00:10:09.000
  • we don't just not have
  • 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:10.030
  • unsaved friends-- - Right.
  • 00:10:10.030 --> 00:10:11.190
  • - We've got lots of them and they believe the Jesus in us
  • 00:10:11.190 --> 00:10:13.160
  • 'cause they see it lived
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  • out in our lives. - Right.
  • 00:10:14.190 --> 00:10:15.250
  • - The Bible says that we are confirming
  • 00:10:15.250 --> 00:10:17.270
  • the story of Jesus with our lives
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  • and I love how you said, you live it.
  • 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:22.270
  • Because I know for me, like you said,
  • 00:10:22.270 --> 00:10:25.260
  • like preaching on stages, my words have helped me
  • 00:10:25.260 --> 00:10:29.020
  • communicate to Christians really well.
  • 00:10:29.020 --> 00:10:31.160
  • My words have helped me communicate to Christians
  • 00:10:31.160 --> 00:10:33.030
  • how they need to evangelize and live,
  • 00:10:33.030 --> 00:10:34.190
  • but my life has helped me show Jesus to non-Christians.
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  • - A hundred percent, yes. - You're life,
  • 00:10:37.250 --> 00:10:39.180
  • that makes the difference. - Yes.
  • 00:10:39.180 --> 00:10:40.240
  • - People far from God.
  • 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.020
  • - So I grew up in a pastor's house
  • 00:10:42.020 --> 00:10:45.100
  • and my daddy had like 11 aunts and uncles
  • 00:10:45.100 --> 00:10:50.080
  • on his father's side and the boys in that family,
  • 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:54.040
  • so my great uncles were just great guys,
  • 00:10:55.110 --> 00:11:00.100
  • but they, I just remember hearing, as a little girl,
  • 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.270
  • of how much trouble that, you know,
  • 00:11:03.270 --> 00:11:05.160
  • they'd get in fights and they could beat you,
  • 00:11:05.160 --> 00:11:08.220
  • you know, with their right hand tied behind their back,
  • 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:11.030
  • and pool, you know, with a broomstick,
  • 00:11:11.030 --> 00:11:13.110
  • and so just had these wild great uncles.
  • 00:11:13.110 --> 00:11:17.010
  • And all through my life I saw my unsaved family,
  • 00:11:17.010 --> 00:11:22.010
  • great uncles and stuff, always calling my dad
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  • when there was crisis.
  • 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.040
  • So about my daddy and my mom,
  • 00:11:28.040 --> 00:11:30.060
  • they were always a safe place to land
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  • for either family members or people in our church.
  • 00:11:32.210 --> 00:11:36.150
  • I remember young people in our church
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  • that might have difficulties at home
  • 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:40.130
  • they'd come to our house.
  • 00:11:40.130 --> 00:11:41.260
  • And my mom and dad were always that stable safe place
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  • and I've always wanted to be that for other people
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  • that you can come here and you can feel
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  • the presence of the Holy Spirit
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  • because it's alive inside of us.
  • 00:11:54.170 --> 00:11:57.250
  • I think we can all live like that,
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  • we can all be that for somebody in our life.
  • 00:11:59.180 --> 00:12:03.000
  • And I think that if people can tell
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  • that we all go through life,
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  • life is kinda the same for everybody,
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  • we go through the same
  • 00:12:11.040 --> 00:12:12.230
  • kind of stuff normally-- - Absolutely.
  • 00:12:12.230 --> 00:12:14.240
  • - The same challenges, but they see a family,
  • 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:19.090
  • or they see a life that lives through it
  • 00:12:19.090 --> 00:12:22.240
  • full of joy-- - Right.
  • 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.090
  • - Full of peace, full of contentment, full of God.
  • 00:12:24.090 --> 00:12:28.070
  • They want to run to that in their time of crisis
  • 00:12:28.070 --> 00:12:30.250
  • 'cause they don't have, who are they gonna run to?
  • 00:12:30.250 --> 00:12:33.100
  • - Well, and to your point,
  • 00:12:33.100 --> 00:12:34.230
  • like we're all gonna have challenging moments,
  • 00:12:34.230 --> 00:12:37.020
  • every human is, right we've talked about it on this show,
  • 00:12:37.020 --> 00:12:39.290
  • but what's different is with Jesus, right,
  • 00:12:39.290 --> 00:12:42.090
  • that's what we bring to the table.
  • 00:12:42.090 --> 00:12:44.000
  • - This is from Amy, my mom and dad aren't believers
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  • and I would love for them to be.
  • 00:12:49.260 --> 00:12:51.130
  • I also have a tribe of friends that really don't know God.
  • 00:12:51.130 --> 00:12:54.220
  • I love them dearly and try to tell them about Jesus,
  • 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:57.240
  • but I don't wanna be forceful.
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  • Any suggestions?
  • 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.030
  • - Yeah, well I think that's great.
  • 00:13:02.030 --> 00:13:03.100
  • You know we all want our family and friends
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  • to be believers. - Yeah.
  • 00:13:04.230 --> 00:13:06.190
  • - But I think that, you know,
  • 00:13:06.190 --> 00:13:08.050
  • sometimes your most powerful weapon
  • 00:13:08.050 --> 00:13:11.120
  • is to live a life that shows them
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  • the grace and the mercy and the love.
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  • And then pray. - Yeah.
  • 00:13:16.280 --> 00:13:18.150
  • - You know prayer moves the hands
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  • that ruled the world.
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  • And I would pray in those prayers
  • 00:13:21.220 --> 00:13:23.210
  • that God would send even other people across their path
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  • to speak that word that would attract them.
  • 00:13:27.170 --> 00:13:30.140
  • So sometimes we wanna be the ones that just,
  • 00:13:30.140 --> 00:13:33.170
  • tell 'em-- - Are the ones.
  • 00:13:33.170 --> 00:13:34.210
  • - Yeah, but your prayers are so powerful
  • 00:13:34.210 --> 00:13:38.010
  • and the fact that someone else might be the one
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  • that comes along and just is able
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  • to speak that word to them
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  • that just breaks that yoke.
  • 00:13:45.160 --> 00:13:47.170
  • So I would say that prayer,
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  • shine your light in the best way.
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  • - We want you to join the conversation.
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  • - Connect with us on social media
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  • and let's get better together.
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  • You know the first person that told me about Jesus
  • 00:14:06.260 --> 00:14:09.140
  • was my big sister, Delphine.
  • 00:14:09.140 --> 00:14:11.190
  • I was raised in a family of, you know,
  • 00:14:11.190 --> 00:14:13.260
  • seven siblings and my parents
  • 00:14:13.260 --> 00:14:16.010
  • and the only time we were made to go to church
  • 00:14:16.010 --> 00:14:19.040
  • is if we wanted to go to the theater.
  • 00:14:19.040 --> 00:14:21.140
  • If we wanted to go see the movie
  • 00:14:21.140 --> 00:14:23.140
  • then we had to go to church first.
  • 00:14:23.140 --> 00:14:26.050
  • So it wasn't really like I was raised
  • 00:14:26.050 --> 00:14:28.230
  • in a disciplined home
  • 00:14:28.230 --> 00:14:30.040
  • with ministry being at the forefront of,
  • 00:14:30.040 --> 00:14:33.190
  • you know, our life.
  • 00:14:33.190 --> 00:14:35.030
  • So when my sister got saved,
  • 00:14:35.030 --> 00:14:37.070
  • she was about 18 or 19,
  • 00:14:37.070 --> 00:14:39.040
  • she received Jesus Christ as Lord,
  • 00:14:39.040 --> 00:14:41.110
  • she begin to pray for all of us.
  • 00:14:41.110 --> 00:14:43.200
  • And I mean, one by one, all of us
  • 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.250
  • begin to receive Jesus Christ as Lord.
  • 00:14:46.250 --> 00:14:49.250
  • I will never forget that day
  • 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:51.290
  • when I called her and told her, I am born again,
  • 00:14:51.290 --> 00:14:55.030
  • I have confessed Jesus Christ as Lord.
  • 00:14:55.030 --> 00:14:58.010
  • The fulfillment and the excitement
  • 00:14:58.010 --> 00:15:00.110
  • that came over her was priceless.
  • 00:15:00.110 --> 00:15:03.130
  • - I remember when I was dealing with cancer
  • 00:15:03.130 --> 00:15:05.210
  • and I was in getting radiation, right?
  • 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:07.280
  • So that was one of the treatments that I went through.
  • 00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:10.150
  • First of all I hated that I was dealing with cancer
  • 00:15:10.150 --> 00:15:12.220
  • and I hated that I was having to do radiation,
  • 00:15:12.220 --> 00:15:14.200
  • just hated that whole thought of all of that.
  • 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.260
  • So I'm in this radiation waiting room
  • 00:15:16.260 --> 00:15:19.020
  • and I didn't wanna be there
  • 00:15:19.020 --> 00:15:20.250
  • and I'm just like looking down, I'm like, okay.
  • 00:15:20.250 --> 00:15:23.060
  • And with radiation you go every day for the same,
  • 00:15:24.190 --> 00:15:26.140
  • for seven or eight weeks, the same time,
  • 00:15:26.140 --> 00:15:28.100
  • so I don't wanna look at these people.
  • 00:15:28.100 --> 00:15:30.130
  • So I get up, they call my name, treatment, go home.
  • 00:15:30.130 --> 00:15:32.080
  • The next day come in, same thing,
  • 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:33.220
  • I've just been looking down, I hate this whole thing,
  • 00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:35.020
  • I don't wanna see these people.
  • 00:15:35.020 --> 00:15:36.150
  • So it was about the fourth day of doing that,
  • 00:15:36.150 --> 00:15:38.060
  • I just come in I'm like this,
  • 00:15:38.060 --> 00:15:39.060
  • and I felt God say to me, Holly,
  • 00:15:39.060 --> 00:15:41.050
  • will you look up, look up.
  • 00:15:41.050 --> 00:15:43.250
  • And I, no.
  • 00:15:43.250 --> 00:15:45.080
  • (laughing)
  • 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.260
  • - I don't wanna look up.
  • 00:15:46.260 --> 00:15:48.100
  • - I don't wanna know these people,
  • 00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:50.010
  • I don't wanna know these people.
  • 00:15:50.290 --> 00:15:52.110
  • But I did and I looked around the room
  • 00:15:52.110 --> 00:15:54.160
  • and I looked in everybody's eyes
  • 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:56.050
  • and in everybody's eyes I saw fear,
  • 00:15:56.050 --> 00:15:59.010
  • and hopelessness, and loneliness.
  • 00:15:59.010 --> 00:16:02.010
  • And there was some people in there,
  • 00:16:02.010 --> 00:16:03.070
  • I started to listen to conversations
  • 00:16:03.070 --> 00:16:04.210
  • and there were people in there that
  • 00:16:04.210 --> 00:16:05.230
  • this was their last chance,
  • 00:16:05.230 --> 00:16:07.080
  • like they'd navigated three or four times with cancer
  • 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:08.260
  • this was it.
  • 00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:10.030
  • And there was people with in the face,
  • 00:16:10.030 --> 00:16:11.060
  • and the head, different experience.
  • 00:16:11.060 --> 00:16:13.040
  • And, so I knew what God was asking me to be there,
  • 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:17.070
  • like this is where I'm gonna be salt,
  • 00:16:17.070 --> 00:16:19.050
  • right, bring the joy into this moment.
  • 00:16:19.050 --> 00:16:23.020
  • And I think we all find ourselves in those places
  • 00:16:23.020 --> 00:16:25.210
  • and in those situations.
  • 00:16:25.210 --> 00:16:27.020
  • And it doesn't change the mission that we have
  • 00:16:27.020 --> 00:16:30.220
  • to be loving and kind and to show the love of Jesus.
  • 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:34.220
  • So I just, I had to make that decision.
  • 00:16:34.220 --> 00:16:38.000
  • There was never this cloud that descended
  • 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.210
  • that like this, okay, now I'll be spiritual,
  • 00:16:40.210 --> 00:16:42.240
  • no, I just had to make a decision.
  • 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:44.160
  • Okay, God's trusting me with this moment,
  • 00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:47.040
  • I don't get it, but he's trusting me with this moment
  • 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:49.120
  • and these people so I started connecting.
  • 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.290
  • Getting phone numbers and praying for people
  • 00:16:51.290 --> 00:16:53.240
  • and bringing gifts and just made them my people
  • 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.120
  • even in the midst of a season and a time
  • 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:59.100
  • that I didn't wanna be there.
  • 00:16:59.100 --> 00:17:01.180
  • If that's, all that's to say
  • 00:17:01.180 --> 00:17:03.000
  • is even our like hardest moments, right,
  • 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.180
  • that we can be Jesus to people.
  • 00:17:07.180 --> 00:17:09.240
  • We can live a life that makes people wanna go,
  • 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.270
  • so tell me how come it is that you're not freaking out
  • 00:17:11.270 --> 00:17:14.270
  • that you have cancer, tell me that?
  • 00:17:14.270 --> 00:17:16.170
  • - Yeah. - And that'll change
  • 00:17:16.170 --> 00:17:17.290
  • the hardest sinner. - I think so.
  • 00:17:17.290 --> 00:17:20.240
  • - I love how you said you knew,
  • 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:22.000
  • you got to know them and you know their names
  • 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.050
  • and you said like compassion
  • 00:17:24.050 --> 00:17:25.070
  • is the way that we reach people.
  • 00:17:25.070 --> 00:17:27.050
  • Because I think for a lot of people we think
  • 00:17:27.050 --> 00:17:28.190
  • how do we like, you know, you're in high school
  • 00:17:28.190 --> 00:17:30.250
  • and you're thinking,
  • 00:17:30.250 --> 00:17:32.000
  • how can I get my friends to come to church?
  • 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.150
  • How can I get them to come to an event they never come to,
  • 00:17:33.150 --> 00:17:36.050
  • but you don't go to their volleyball game
  • 00:17:36.050 --> 00:17:38.030
  • or their basketball game.
  • 00:17:38.030 --> 00:17:38.280
  • (voices covering voices)
  • 00:17:38.280 --> 00:17:40.090
  • It's important do you know-- - Very good point.
  • 00:17:40.090 --> 00:17:41.030
  • - Do you know them?
  • 00:17:41.030 --> 00:17:41.270
  • Do you know their name?
  • 00:17:41.270 --> 00:17:42.250
  • Do you know what they're like?
  • 00:17:42.250 --> 00:17:44.070
  • I know we have lots of stories
  • 00:17:44.070 --> 00:17:45.220
  • of just different times we've led people to Jesus,
  • 00:17:45.220 --> 00:17:47.070
  • but I think one of the greatest prides and joy of my life
  • 00:17:47.070 --> 00:17:49.270
  • is my relationship with my baby brother.
  • 00:17:49.270 --> 00:17:51.260
  • He was 12 years old when we lost my dad
  • 00:17:51.260 --> 00:17:53.240
  • and he totally just shut down.
  • 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.270
  • We all served in the church, he's a pastor's kid,
  • 00:17:56.270 --> 00:17:58.140
  • he was a very mature 12-year-old.
  • 00:17:58.140 --> 00:18:00.040
  • But he just shut down
  • 00:18:00.040 --> 00:18:01.110
  • and didn't want to talk about God or anything.
  • 00:18:01.110 --> 00:18:02.290
  • And the only thing he was obsessed with was superheros.
  • 00:18:02.290 --> 00:18:05.280
  • He loved reading his comic books.
  • 00:18:05.280 --> 00:18:07.190
  • Elijah, are you okay, do you miss dad,
  • 00:18:07.190 --> 00:18:09.020
  • do you wanna talk?
  • 00:18:09.020 --> 00:18:10.180
  • And he's like, well, did you see the new Avenger's movie?
  • 00:18:10.180 --> 00:18:12.020
  • Well did you know this about Batman and Superman,
  • 00:18:12.020 --> 00:18:13.240
  • you know, DC or Marvel, no judgment like all this said.
  • 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.130
  • And I just remember knowing at that point
  • 00:18:16.130 --> 00:18:19.210
  • like the only way to talk to my brother
  • 00:18:19.210 --> 00:18:21.040
  • was to get into comic books.
  • 00:18:21.040 --> 00:18:22.280
  • And so me and my brother, I would fly,
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  • 'cause I didn't go to college near home,
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  • I would fly home and we would go through
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  • vintage comic bookstores and I would fly in
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  • when there was a new movie to watch with him.
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  • And for years I was just obsessed about superheros with him
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  • until finally one day I just straight up
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  • had a conversation with him
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  • and when I did I had earned it.
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  • I had learned his language,
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  • I learned what he cared about.
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  • I went out of my way.
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  • So many times in the church
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  • we know what Jesus said,
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  • but we don't know how to communicate it to people today.
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  • Or, we know the language of the world
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  • we have no idea what Jesus would say to them.
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  • We have no idea what the word of God says to them
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  • so when we hear this word, ambassador,
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  • realize that we're supposed to be bilingual
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  • to know the language of the people we're ministering to
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  • as well as what God is saying to them,
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  • so we can not water down what he said,
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  • but interpret it in their language
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  • so that they get it.
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  • No one's gonna understand
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  • if you're just speaking a language only you know.
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  • We've gotta learn their language
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  • if we're gonna truly and effectively
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  • tell the story of Jesus.
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  • Just like communicating
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  • where he was for years-- - Yep.
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  • - And I wanted to give up,
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  • communicating where he was for years,
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  • I knew many better ways to preach,
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  • I got my degree in it, you know what I mean,
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  • but it was just like he won't hear me
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  • if I'm speaking my language.
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  • And I think that has shown me how to be Jesus
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  • and then it was years later
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  • that I felt called to ministry to preach,
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  • and now be a pastor, I always reference,
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  • I always think about
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  • how can I learn about comic books with them?
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  • How can I be where they are?
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  • - You know one of my favorite stories
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  • is the one that Hosanna talked about, her brother,
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  • and how she wanted to reach him with the love of Christ,
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  • but he wasn't interested in talking about God
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  • he was interested in her being interested in him.
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  • And once they began this new dialog
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  • about his life and the things that he was interested in
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  • I believe that his heart was turned towards her
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  • and she was able to speak into his life.
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  • And I think that's a principle we all can take away is,
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  • you know people wanna know how much we care,
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  • not just how much we know.
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  • - You know I believe that God doesn't ask us
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  • to judge people's situations,
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  • or judge their life, he asks us to love them.
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  • So many times to really love someone
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  • is to listen to 'em to show them you care.
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  • - It's not gonna always be about relationships though.
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  • You know there are gonna be some people
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  • outside of people that we have relationship with
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  • that we're gonna have to minister to,
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  • but to go back to the point of that question,
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  • when they said an adamant unbeliever, or nonbeliever,
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  • they have had a relationship with them.
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  • You know so it's easy to talk about
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  • developing relationships, but there are gonna be times
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  • when we're gonna run into somebody
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  • and we're gonna have to know, okay, I need to go in,
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  • I need to lead 'em to the Lord because
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  • they're ready-- - Yeah.
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  • - Right. - You know.
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  • When I'm walking on the street I'm always looking,
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  • God, okay is that the one?
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  • Who do you want me to speak to today, you know,
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  • to minister Jesus to.
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  • But I guess the bottom line is
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  • is just to have the
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  • love of God-- - Right.
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  • - Inside of us and to be led by his Spirit.
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  • - Sometimes maybe you're the only person
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  • that shows Jesus to somebody.
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  • The responsibility of that is great, you know.
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  • If we know Jesus as our Lord and Savior
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  • to show that to someone else.
  • 00:21:48.050 --> 00:21:50.060
  • - Maybe if lived a life that was so filled
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  • - Maybe if lived a life that was so filled
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  • with joy and gratitude and contentment,
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  • to the best that we can. - Yeah.
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  • - Right. - Right,
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  • then that's attractive and people
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  • wanna be-- - People want that.
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  • - They wanna be around that.
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  • But if we come in and we're criticizing
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  • and judging people for their failures and their sins
  • 00:22:06.090 --> 00:22:08.270
  • it's just, you know, and when he talked about
  • 00:22:08.270 --> 00:22:11.030
  • in Matthew five, that we're to be salt and the light,
  • 00:22:11.030 --> 00:22:14.090
  • but the light isn't to like shine it on somebody's sins
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  • and go, you're like a sinnery worm, you're bad.
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  • Right-- - They already know that
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  • all right? - They know that.
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  • It's to lead them.
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  • (voices covering voices)
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  • I picked you on purpose. - Feels like (mumbles)
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  • a Velociraptor. - It's to lead them,
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  • it's to show the way,
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  • it's to not-- - I love that.
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  • - Beat somebody up with their failure.
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  • And so I just pray that every woman that's watching
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  • would find herself this next week
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  • in an environment where she's challenged to love,
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  • even people who might be hard to love,
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  • but she's challenged to love.
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  • And I just pray, God, that you would be softening
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  • the hearts of those people
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  • and that conversations would be started
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  • and I just thank you God for the,
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  • through the listeners and the watchers here
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  • of, Better Together, that millions of people
  • 00:22:56.140 --> 00:22:58.260
  • are going to be begin to have a genuine faith in Christ
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  • and that millions of people
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  • perhaps who have heard about Jesus,
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  • they're gonna be more inspired to begin to follow him.
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  • - When I listen to worship music
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  • I listen to worship music everywhere.
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  • I be jamming in the car, listening to Tim Bowman, Jr.
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  • Oh, there's so many good songs out here to listen to,
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  • but any song that you listen to
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  • you can just have fun and liberty
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  • and create the atmosphere that you wanna create,
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  • just dance, move, make music.
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  • A melody in your heart.
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  • to struggle? - To stumble.
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  • - Yeah, I wonder, right?
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  • That's gotta be a question,
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  • is there a way for you to do in a such a way
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  • that was tasteful and inspired others.
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