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December 11, 2019
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  • - In such a colorful world,
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  • music brings people together.
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  • It can help us love with open arms.
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  • Today, CeCe Winans, Janice Gaines, and Jenn Johnson.
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  • Join us as we talk about unity through music.
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  • (Upbeat Music)
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  • - So, Steven Furtick's been speaking on,
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  • The Maker is Our Mirror.
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  • - Yes, exactly.
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  • - And so no one can identify you,
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  • that's not your Maker. - Right.
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  • - And Instagram isn't your Maker,
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  • so you can't see who you are in Instagram.
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  • You can't filter who I am until I look at my Maker,
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  • and He tells us who we are. - That's good.
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  • Yeah, that's good. - You know.
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  • And so that's exactly kinda what,
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  • you know you're mirror is who God says I am.
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  • And as He is, so are we - So are we.
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  • - in this world.
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  • - Yeah, it's so powerful.
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  • Music is so powerful.
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  • And I love how it brings us together.
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  • - It does. - Yes.
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  • - We talk about unity.
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  • I remember my first Andre Crouch concert.
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  • - [Jenn] Oh Mylanta.
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  • - I was probably six.
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  • (everyone laughs)
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  • - I'm jealous.
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  • (everyone speaking at once)
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  • - Andre Crouch and the disciples.
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  • - Oh my God.
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  • (laughs)
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  • - It was just incredible.
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  • It was incredible to see,
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  • because he was probably one of the first
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  • to bring diversity, people together.
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  • His music just went everywhere.
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  • - Yes.
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  • - You went to his concert, you saw everybody.
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  • Different parts of the country, different skin color,
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  • you just saw it all, and to just see people come together
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  • and sing "The Blood That Never Loses Power."
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  • - And he threw it in the trash.
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  • He threw that song in the trash at first.
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  • - Right, he wrote it what, when he was about 12 or 13.
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  • Something like that. - Wow.
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  • - Such a powerful gift and I saw the power of worship
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  • and how it brought unity-- - Yes it does.
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  • - Into the body of Christ, because you forget
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  • all your differences. - Right.
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  • - Or should I say your disagreements?
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  • Because really, differences make us stronger.
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  • (all agreeing)
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  • But you forget those things that separate you
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  • when you come together, divide, and just focus
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  • on who God is and just begin to love on Him.
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  • It is amazing, because automatically, you love one another.
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  • - You do.
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  • - In Revelation 5:9, when John sees the vision
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  • of all these people in heaven and he makes note
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  • that he saw people of every tribe, nation,
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  • tongue, and it's like before there were nations.
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  • There were probably more tribes at that time
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  • than even nations.
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  • There were empires, but it's like you saw everybody,
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  • but they were one in Christ, doing the same thing
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  • and that's worshiping.
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  • And that's the beauty of worship
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  • is like we can be different and at the same time
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  • be honoring our Lord and somehow be clothed the same way,
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  • you know what I mean?
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  • Like our differences don't take away
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  • from who we are in Christ, ever.
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  • - We've got a great big, colorful God.
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  • You know, just because we wanna be united
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  • doesn't mean we're all uniform.
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  • We're not the same.
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  • Same people, thank God, because I don't wanna sit there
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  • and just commune with people that look just like me.
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  • The global church is every size, every color,
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  • every tongue, I mean, it's just beautiful, beautiful world.
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  • And we need to see each other just like that.
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  • The great, big colorful world of God.
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  • - It's amazing, you were talking about Babel
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  • and my thing is, when you think about the walls
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  • of Jericho, too, how can our music
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  • tear down the dividers, tear down walls?
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  • You think that's what our music does?
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  • - Absolutely, and I think some of the things we talk
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  • about today, even, as a songwriter, as, even encouraging
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  • for songwriters watching this, the show today,
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  • is some of the lyrics that I'm picking up
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  • as we're having this conversation, I'm like,
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  • "Oh, that's a good lyric that she said,
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  • "oh, that's a good lyric."
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  • And these truths and these unifying messages
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  • and putting those into song.
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  • You know, people will sing something
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  • they don't even believe yet.
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  • - Come on.
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  • - They will sing it until they believe it.
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  • And so as we sing and we write the message,
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  • I feel like that's something, an assignment for songwriters
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  • in our day is to write songs of unity,
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  • to write songs of celebrating all,
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  • to write songs of the beauty of coming together.
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  • So I think it's some homework for some songwriters.
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  • (others agreeing)
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  • To help bring this-- - I think so too.
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  • Because we have a great opportunity to do that.
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  • If we foc--
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  • again, bring intentional, be intentional about it.
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  • I think if we just become intentional about unity
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  • in every way that we can.
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  • In our speaking, in our singing, in our teaching.
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  • Jesus is the answer
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  • For the world today
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  • (laughter)
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  • - Yeah, we could go on and on.
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  • - Oh my.
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  • - So that's awesome.
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  • - Yeah, but it's a weapon, though.
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  • And they marched around and impossible things happened.
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  • And they sang and they shouted
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  • and it's not to be taken lightly.
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  • - It's real. - It's, worship is powerful.
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  • And so much happens when we worship.
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  • You know, things happen, things change
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  • and it's just--
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  • - People are set free.
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  • - Oh, man. - I mean, Paul and Silas.
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  • Again, unity--
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  • (all talking at once)
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  • - And it doesn't take a lotta people.
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  • - Yes.
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  • - Just get on one accord.
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  • - Where two or three.
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  • - Are gathered, yeah.
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  • When I think about
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  • Dr. Martin Luther King and when
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  • we would come together as a community,
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  • and even as a country and sing,
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  • We shall overcome
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  • We shall overcome
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  • Some day
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  • You know, it empowers you.
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  • Because that's what unity does.
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  • When we come together, it gives you strength
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  • that you cannot have alone.
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  • And so seeing songs sang in trying times is something
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  • that pulls you through when you don't think you can make it.
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  • And that's where you get your old spirituals and your hymns.
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  • People were going through hard times.
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  • When they came together and they sang together,
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  • it strengthened them as a people.
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  • It strengthens families and it helped them
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  • to go a little bit further and make it all the way through.
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  • - It's just so fun.
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  • I mean, you just watch the power of music and lyrics.
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  • I mean, I just go back in my life and I just think
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  • about different songs that changed my life.
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  • And so just thinking about that,
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  • with writing and just celebrating what God's doing
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  • in the global church.
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  • I think that's a big, a unity thing.
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  • It's celebrating what God is doing in the church
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  • around the world, not just in our own tribes,
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  • like you were saying, but I know that for us,
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  • that's who made us, that is what made us,
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  • is that celebration of what He was doing
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  • and what message God's speaking here
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  • and what song here, and just being aware,
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  • keeping our antennas up for what God's doing,
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  • and that keeps us in unity and that keeps us in--
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  • - And I love to see in the body of Christ,
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  • and I'm sure all you guys recognize it
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  • is that it's funny how you can go one place
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  • and you hear a message or you hear a song
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  • and you go somewhere else, on the other side of the world
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  • and you hear the same message and same song.
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  • It's like God works, I mean, He wants us together
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  • so bad, that is His heart, you know what I'm saying?
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  • That He will give the same thought and heart
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  • to each person, same message, and it's like,
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  • "Wait a minute, this person
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  • "just did the same message," right?
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  • Has that happened to you guys?
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  • - I think we've seen music and these modern-day psalmists
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  • who are writing these beautiful songs,
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  • help us to express our gratitude to God
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  • and I believe that when you see churches all over America
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  • singing these songs, you know in heaven,
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  • it's gets heaven's attention.
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  • I really believe that as a body of believers,
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  • as we sing, heaven listens.
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  • And God cares.
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  • God sees you.
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  • He knows you.
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  • And He wants to help you.
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  • So as bodies of believers, we have to know
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  • there is power in worship, and there is a transformation
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  • and a shifting going on when you declare God's goodness.
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  • - I was thinking about when you said
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  • songwriters have a task.
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  • Whenever I come to write a song, or I'm looking at it,
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  • like "Is this it, Lord?"
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  • Always, my filter is if it doesn't work anywhere
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  • in the world, it doesn't work anywhere in the world.
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  • So if it's not the gospel on the reservation in Utah,
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  • and it's not the gospel in Uganda and it's not the gospel
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  • in Texas, and it's not the gospel in Alaska,
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  • it's not the gospel.
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  • - Yeah, (laughing) everybody.
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  • - Yeah, if it can't be applied to everyone,
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  • it can't be applied, it's not the gospel.
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  • - Wow, that's good.
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  • - It's a great songwriting heart.
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  • - The Lord has placed something so special in music
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  • that it's felt universally.
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  • So with that, I think of course, it would be a powerful tool
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  • in unifying us, and it's something we should look
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  • for the Lord to use in order to bring us together.
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  • And I think He's gonna do it in amazing ways.
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  • He's already doing it.
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  • You can see it kind of sweeping the industry,
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  • where people are beginning to come together
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  • and share experiences to make music
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  • that everybody can attach to and, yeah,
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  • so I think it's gonna be amazing.
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  • I think the Lord has been stirring the pot for a while.
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  • And I think the seasonings are about to set,
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  • if you know what I mean.
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  • You know what I mean?
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  • Like gumbo, like stew?
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  • Like the next day it's better than the first day,
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  • 'cause the seasoning set?
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  • That's what I think is happening.
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  • That it's about to get in the very bones
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  • of the people of God, what God is doing
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  • and come out and be like the bomb gumbo, right?
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  • (laughter)
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  • - Anybody else have a memory
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  • on seeing worship bring people together?
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  • - Oh, man.
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  • - I love it in my church,
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  • we have worship leaders-- - Oh gosh, I love it
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  • at your church.
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  • - It's so interesting, because when they
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  • kind of drop and you hear the whole
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  • congregation. - Oh, nothing better.
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  • - Nothing better than just the voices.
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  • - It is so powerful.
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  • It's just like yes, and it's interesting
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  • because we're learning in church.
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  • We're learning as we sing these songs
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  • that you guys write all over the world.
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  • And then in our private time.
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  • There is the ammunition of fuel that precedes the victory.
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  • I know that in my own life, just from what I've learned
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  • in unity, I've been able to bring into my own personal life
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  • and get through some of the biggest challenges
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  • that I've ever faced by just praising God through it.
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  • - That's right, exactly.
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  • - And so it's just I think that
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  • we can never neglect coming together
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  • in that corporate, powerful place of unity in worship.
  • 00:11:49.220 --> 00:11:54.090
  • - I love corporate worship.
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  • It is so powerful.
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  • When we come together, there's one voice
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  • and I think it's a perfect time to really see unity
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  • at its best, when we're all focused on who God is
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  • and we're singing the same lyrics, we're all on one accord,
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  • worshiping together, it allows the power of God
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  • to come in and actually shift the atmosphere.
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  • When you think about Paul and Silas.
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  • When they worshiped God together,
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  • everyone in the prison was set free.
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  • And so incredible things happen when we come together
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  • in corporate worship.
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  • - And something does happen corporate
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  • that's different than by ourselves.
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  • - Definitely.
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  • - There is a power in corporate gather and worship
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  • that is unlike, and something's wild,
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  • Bill, our dad, before we start worship,
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  • he taught us to do this one simple thing.
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  • And it is wild.
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  • We've tested it over the years.
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  • It changes the room.
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  • Before we start worship, he says,
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  • "Will you just reach out and love
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  • "on the people next to you?"
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  • I'm telling you, the power of people reaching out
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  • and touching and loving, introducing themselves,
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  • it's like love, like a tidal wave takes over the room
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  • and where we can go and worship from that place,
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  • is powerful because we're unified.
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  • We're all together.
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  • You came in different
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  • but all of a sudden-- - Aware of other people now.
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  • - Here we are, and we're in this together
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  • and where we can actually go in the presence of God,
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  • It's a different story, so it's, yeah.
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  • It's been powerful to watch that happen.
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  • Yeah, thanks, Bill. (many talking)
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  • - It just shows you the power of touch.
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  • (all agree)
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  • Imparting the blessing.
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  • - Yes.
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  • - You know, how Jacob, he imparted the blessing,
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  • through the power of touch and so that's an amazing thing.
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  • - I'mma see Lakewood do it next week.
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  • They're gonna be like reach out
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  • and love somebody. - I know, that's right.
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  • - I'll be like, "I know where you got that, Bill.
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  • - Don't worry about on your left or your right,
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  • they can't sing either, just sing with all your might.
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  • (all laughing)
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  • - It shifts the atmosphere.
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  • That's my favorite thing in corporate worship.
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  • You know, 'cause people come in
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  • and they carry in so many things.
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  • They've gone through so much and as far as your worship,
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  • just total abandonment, it's a powerful thing
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  • to see the Spirit of God just shift the atmosphere.
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  • - Yeah especially as believers, when we do it
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  • in one mind and one accord.
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  • I believe that miracles can happen.
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  • I believe as we make a throne on our heart to God,
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  • that He can come in and He can turn situations around
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  • and He can help us and strengthen us.
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  • And He can cause us to accomplish everything
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  • that He's called us to accomplish.
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  • You know, at the end of the day,
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  • God wants you strong.
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  • God wants you moving forward.
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  • So if you need just some encouragement today,
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  • I would encourage you to lift your hands,
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  • to open your heart, and praise the living God.
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  • - We are creating a community built on love and friendship.
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  • And we want you to join us.
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  • and share your thoughts on today's conversation.
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  • - I know for me, being from a little girl,
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  • I was raised in church and just all,
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  • whatever God was doing on the planet,
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  • we just wanted to have it in our lives.
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  • So our family was a melting pot,
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  • our church of just all, Vineyard, and Hillsong,
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  • and I grew up listening to CeCe, just a melting pot,
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  • but how, for you guys, has worship been impactful
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  • in your life personally?
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  • What is worship to you?
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  • - Worship, my daughter's so funny.
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  • She tells me, "Mom, do you realize everything I went through
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  • "in life, your answer was 'Go somewhere and worship'"?
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  • (laughter)
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  • - So good. - That's good.
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  • - Just go and worship.
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  • - Yes.
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  • - Cause worship for me is getting lost in who God is.
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  • You know?
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  • And it's just impossible to get lost in who He is
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  • and come out the same way.
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  • - Honestly.
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  • - You know?
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  • You're gonna always come out with something much better
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  • than what you went in with, so,
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  • but it's a lifestyle. - That's right.
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  • It's loving Him with everything you have.
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  • What He commands us to do.
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  • But the music is so powerful.
  • 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.000
  • Well, music is powerful, either way.
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  • If it's negative or positive.
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  • And that's what we understand.
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  • That's why satan, you know, when he came down,
  • 00:16:09.210 --> 00:16:13.210
  • pride, but it's a powerful tool.
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  • And unfortunately, when you hear the demonic music,
  • 00:16:17.180 --> 00:16:21.220
  • you know the activity that's happening through that,
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  • and so that's why doing worship music is so important,
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  • because it's warfare. - It is.
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  • - It's warfare.
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  • I could go on and on, talking about this
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  • so somebody else talk about it.
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  • - All ears.
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  • - Good. - It's passionate.
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  • - I was definitely gonna say, worship enriched my life
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  • for the moments that I'm worshiping, but also
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  • just in general, I think worship allowed me
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  • to walk across the aisle in a way that I never would have.
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  • I grew up in Memphis.
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  • Like for real, for real Memphis.
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  • (mumbles)
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  • Memphis.
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  • And going off to college, my older brother,
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  • again, handed me a Michael W. Smith worship album
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  • on the way to college, and he said,
  • 00:17:06.190 --> 00:17:08.050
  • "Hey, I think you might like this."
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  • And I learned to worship in a whole new way.
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  • And it just started to kind of fill my tool box
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  • with other ways to talk to the Lord.
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  • - Love that.
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  • - Than what I had known.
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  • And so then I thought, "I want some more of this."
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  • So then you start seeking out different ways to worship.
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  • And it really begins to bring us together in the presence
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  • of God, because what we might not have done before,
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  • we're doing now, and now we understand language
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  • and rhetoric that we didn't know before,
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  • and it's based on how somebody else has experienced God.
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  • And how could that not be a good thing?
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  • - Right, yeah.
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  • - The Bible says to be filled with the Spirit.
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  • Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns
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  • and spiritual songs, singing and making melody
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  • in your heart to the Lord.
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  • I think when we do that, we get our focus
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  • on what really matters, we focus our faith on God
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  • and trust in Him and I think that
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  • through that, we can extend.
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  • We take it from Him and then we extend Him.
  • 00:18:17.170 --> 00:18:21.200
  • - I remember being in college.
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  • I went to Oberlin College, a very liberal school.
  • 00:18:24.110 --> 00:18:28.090
  • The chaplain in our college decided to host a hymn festival.
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  • Now you have, I'm talking about 20-year olds,
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  • just in college, who probably didn't care about hymns,
  • 00:18:35.230 --> 00:18:40.230
  • but something about all of us getting together
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  • and worshiping, even how people worshiped generations
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  • before us, I happen to love hymns, but everybody didn't.
  • 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:52.050
  • What a powerful moment of coming together
  • 00:18:52.050 --> 00:18:55.200
  • in the great Finney Chapel, after the revivalist,
  • 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.060
  • Charles G. Finney, worshiping together with hymns,
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  • with diversity across generations and across ethnicities.
  • 00:19:02.290 --> 00:19:07.290
  • It was just such a powerful moment,
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  • and it was different than worship that I knew,
  • 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:16.000
  • because by that time I was on Michael W. Smith,
  • 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:19.020
  • like wow, we're just gonna sing acapella and do hymns.
  • 00:19:19.020 --> 00:19:24.020
  • But it was so powerful and unifying.
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  • And it's bringing everybody together.
  • 00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:32.070
  • - Beautiful.
  • 00:19:32.070 --> 00:19:33.130
  • - I was raised in the Church of Christ--
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  • (everybody talking)
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  • singing acapella.
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  • Everything was acapella.
  • 00:19:37.120 --> 00:19:39.280
  • So, it is powerful, though, to hear just those voices
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  • singing and yeah, y'all's voice is like an instrument
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  • without the music, so...
  • 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:51.240
  • - An in-tune instrument.
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  • - Some days.
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  • - Right.
  • 00:19:57.130 --> 00:19:58.080
  • - It's the worst when it's gone.
  • 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:01.150
  • - I think that is the most powerful, though,
  • 00:20:01.150 --> 00:20:03.210
  • because it says when we lift up our voices to praise Him.
  • 00:20:03.210 --> 00:20:07.110
  • And a lotta times, we rely on music too much.
  • 00:20:07.110 --> 00:20:10.070
  • And that's good, we're supposed to, everything,
  • 00:20:10.070 --> 00:20:12.160
  • with all instruments, but when all the voices just,
  • 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.270
  • yeah, sing, it's heaven.
  • 00:20:15.270 --> 00:20:18.020
  • - Yes.
  • 00:20:18.020 --> 00:20:19.000
  • - It's gotta be heaven on earth.
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  • And that's really what we do, we bring heaven
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  • to earth when we worship God.
  • 00:20:21.220 --> 00:20:22.290
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:20:22.290 --> 00:20:24.120
  • - And it's a unifying tool that we have to continue to use
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  • and I love hearing different gifts.
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  • And different ways, because it's almost
  • 00:20:34.290 --> 00:20:36.190
  • like you're sharing your testimony
  • 00:20:36.190 --> 00:20:38.140
  • and whenever we hear testimonies
  • 00:20:38.140 --> 00:20:40.130
  • from other people, it brings deliverance to us.
  • 00:20:40.130 --> 00:20:42.100
  • - Exactly.
  • 00:20:42.100 --> 00:20:43.240
  • - So again, I think whenever we have an opportunity
  • 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:47.070
  • to be intentional about listening to someone
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  • that maybe you're not used to listening to.
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  • I love to get the chance to hear new artists
  • 00:20:51.070 --> 00:20:54.010
  • and different ways they express themselves,
  • 00:20:54.010 --> 00:20:55.290
  • and it is so powerful, 'cause again,
  • 00:20:55.290 --> 00:20:58.120
  • you begin to see God again in that space.
  • 00:20:58.120 --> 00:21:00.140
  • - I love the verse that says "They overcame him
  • 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:03.100
  • "by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony."
  • 00:21:03.100 --> 00:21:07.030
  • It's a powerful verse, because the blood of the Lamb,
  • 00:21:07.030 --> 00:21:09.170
  • that's been accomplished.
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  • All we have to do is just walk in that gift.
  • 00:21:10.230 --> 00:21:12.240
  • But the power of the testimony is something
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  • that's real important and I think song carries the power
  • 00:21:14.260 --> 00:21:17.090
  • of the testimony in a really beautiful way,
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  • that it's a spirit of prophecy if you let it.
  • 00:21:20.020 --> 00:21:22.270
  • 'Cause you hear this story of breakthrough
  • 00:21:22.270 --> 00:21:25.130
  • and it's like, "Yes, that is my testimony."
  • 00:21:25.130 --> 00:21:27.290
  • And so I think it's a powerful weapon to be able to write
  • 00:21:27.290 --> 00:21:30.270
  • your testimony and not only of what God's done for you,
  • 00:21:30.270 --> 00:21:33.180
  • but what God's done for all of us
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  • in the power of the testimony.
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  • - I just wanna thank you ladies,
  • 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.090
  • because through the songs that you've written,
  • 00:21:40.090 --> 00:21:45.090
  • through the worship that you've allowed,
  • 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.010
  • just lay people, (laughter) people who don't write.
  • 00:21:48.010 --> 00:21:51.210
  • - Fiery preaching women of God?
  • 00:21:51.210 --> 00:21:53.110
  • - People who don't sing except in the shower.
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  • You know, to experience really, what David did,
  • 00:21:58.010 --> 00:22:03.000
  • because these are the modern-day Psalms for us.
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  • And you know, we can, like you said, express to God
  • 00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:10.030
  • how we may not have known to express before,
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  • and so like I'm the one on the front row,
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  • singing to the top of my lungs, off-key, flat.
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  • - Passionate. - Just passionate,
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  • and I'm like, oh, I'm glad it's only my husband
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  • on one side, my mom on the other, what would I do?
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  • But you know what?
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  • But I do appreciate worship leaders who understand,
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  • because you're leading the body of Christ.
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  • - I thought, how to you, I've said this many times,
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  • how do you even thank the people
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  • that God flows all this beautiful stuff through,
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  • how do you even thank them
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  • for leading me into the throne room of God?
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  • You know, I've listened to you all my life.
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  • We grew up together and when the Bible says
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  • O magnify the Lord with me
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  • and let us exalt His name together, when we exalt
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  • and magnify God, our focus is this
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  • and we climb up higher and get a God perspective of things.
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  • And I think that's so valuable in unity,
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  • that's so valuable in everything
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  • that we've been talking about this week
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  • is when we magnify God, we can see things
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  • in a whole new way. - That's right.
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  • - And a lot of times, talking about me,
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  • when something happens--
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  • - To shake you.
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  • - If it's not the first thing I run to,
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  • the next day or two, I'm thinking,
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  • "My God, I have not been worshiping."
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  • - "I have been-- - Problem-focused.
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  • - Focused on this, and it's killing me."
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  • But if I would just climb over here
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  • and just worship. - Come on, come on.
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  • - It will take me to a higher, and it fills us up
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  • and it makes us see things differently,
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  • because we're magnifying and we're seeing things
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  • from Him - From His perspective.
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  • - His perspective more.
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  • - And even for worship leaders,
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  • encouraging our worship leaders
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  • to listen to the Holy Spirit in the set.
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  • For not just the songs, listen for those,
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  • but in the moments, what are You saying in the moment?
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  • What are you saying after this song is over,
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  • or even during the song to people
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  • or to what's happening in the presence of God in worship.
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  • If we're just sensitive to that,
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  • God will speak to us and it will
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  • change the atmosphere, for sure.
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  • Well, to worship, ladies.
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  • - That's good.
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  • (laughter)
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  • - So, Father, I thank You for unity and what music plays
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  • as this beautiful gift that you've given us
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  • And God I pray that even for songwriters right now,
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  • that they would write Your heart.
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  • Whatever You want said in song, Father,
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  • we capture Your heart as songwriters.
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  • And for the listeners, Lord,
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  • that You would just direct people what songs to listen to
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  • to hear You speak what You're saying, Lord,
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  • that You just lead us and guide us.
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  • We love you, You're so wonderful.
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  • In Jesus' name.
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  • Amen.
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  • And my heart in the capture of it was to communicate
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  • The beauty of our differences.
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  • Because in that, we see God's glory.
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  • - I think worship songs unify us, honestly.
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  • And I think as we worship our one true God,
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  • it brings us together in a special way
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