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November 9, 2019
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  • - DAVID RIVES: COMING UP ON
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  • "CREATION IN THE 21ST CENTURY":
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  • SO, CHARLES DARWIN CHALLENGED
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  • THE SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS
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  • OF HIS DAY.
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  • AND WITHIN 10 YEARS, SOMETHING
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  • RADICAL TOOK PLACE.
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  • - DR. NATHANIEL JEANSON: WHAT
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  • CHRISTIANS FACE TODAY IN
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  • OPPOSITION FROM THE SCIENTIFIC
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  • COMMUNITY, IS EXACTLY WHAT
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  • DARWIN FACED IN 1859.
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  • AND HE PERSEVERED THROUGH IT
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  • AND OVERCAME IT WITH
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  • WILD SUCCESS.
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  • IF YOU WERE TO ASK MY PEERS
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  • WHAT THEY BELIEVED ABOUT
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  • EVOLUTION, NINE OUT OF
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  • TEN WOULD SAY:
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  • FULLY ENDORSE IT, NO DIVINE
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  • INTERVENTION, HAPPENS BY
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  • [DRAMATIC THEME MUSIC PLAYS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - DAVID: I WANNA WELCOME YOU
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  • TO "CREATION IN THE 21ST
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  • CENTURY,"
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  • WHERE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY
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  • CONNECTS WITH YOUR
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  • AND, FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS,
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  • I'VE BEEN ON A JOURNEY
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  • TO BRING PEOPLE CLOSER
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  • TO CHRIST BY SHOWING THEM
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  • THAT HE IS THEIR CREATOR.
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  • YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NO ACCIDENT.
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  • YOU ARE WONDERFULLY MADE.
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  • AND THE CREATION ACCOUNT THAT
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  • WE FIND ALL THE WAY
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  • BACK IN GENESIS?
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  • WELL, THAT HOLDS KEYS TO
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  • UNLOCKING AND UNDERSTANDING
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  • LIFE, DEATH, AND WHY WE
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  • NEED A SAVIOR.
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  • WE WANNA GET GOING THIS WEEK BY
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  • TAKING A LOOK AT HEAVENS
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  • DECLARE AND THE PATHS
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  • [INTENSE MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • I WANNA TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT
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  • MATTHEW FONTAINE MAURY,
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  • WHO WAS KNOWN AS
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  • "PATHFINDER OF THE SEAS."
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  • [BIRD CHIRPING]
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  • HIS STORY GOES SOMETHING LIKE
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  • THIS: HE LIVED IN THE MID-1800s
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  • AND...HE WAS EXTREMELY
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  • ILL ONE DAY.
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  • HE WAS LYING IN BED AND HIS
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  • DAUGHTER CAME IN WITH A BIBLE.
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  • SHE SAT DOWN ON A CHAIR RIGHT
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  • NEXT TO THE BED AND SHE OPENED
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  • UP THE BIBLE, RANDOMLY,
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  • TO PSALM 8.
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  • SHE SAID, "I'M GONNA READ YOU
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  • SOME SCRIPTURE TO TRY TO
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  • COMFORT YOU, HERE."
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  • SO, SHE BEGINS TO READ PSALM 8.
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  • "WHAT IS MAN THAT THOU ART
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  • MINDFUL OF HIM AND THE SON OF
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  • MAN THAT THOU VISITEST HIM?
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  • FOR THOU HAST MADE HIM A LITTLE
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  • LOWER THAN THE ANGELS AND HAST
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  • CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY
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  • AND HONOR.
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  • WHATSOEVER PASSETH THROUGH THE
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  • PATHS OF THE SEAS, O LORD OUR
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  • LORD, HOW EXCELLENT IS THY NAME
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  • IN ALL THE EARTH!"
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  • NOW, AT THIS POINT, MATTHEW SAT
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  • UP IN BED AND HE STARTED TO
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  • REPEAT, "PATHS OF THE
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  • SEAS...PATHS OF THE SEAS..."
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  • HE SAID, "IF I EVER GET OUT OF
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  • THIS BED, I'M GONNA FIGURE
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  • OUT WHAT IT MEANS BY 'PATHS
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  • OF THE SEAS.'"
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  • AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • YOU SEE, HE DEVOTED HIS LIFE'S
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  • EFFORT TO CHARTING THE OCEAN
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  • CURRENTS AND THE PATHS OF THE
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  • SEAS -- PATHS THAT SHIPS STILL
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  • FOLLOW, TO THIS DAY.
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  • YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MONUMENT IN
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  • VIRGINIA ERECTED TO HIS HONOR.
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  • IT SAYS: TO MATTHEW FONTAINE
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  • MAURY, PATHFINDER OF THE SEAS,
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  • THE GENIUS WHO FIRST SNATCHED
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  • FROM THE OCEANS AND ATMOSPHERE
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  • THE SECRET OF THEIR LAWS.
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  • HIS INSPIRATION?
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  • HOLY WRIT.
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  • OR, I MIGHT SAY: THE BIBLE
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  • KNOWS BEST.
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  • [BIRDSONG]
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  • I'M DAVID RIVES.
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  • TRULY, THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE
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  • GLORY OF GOD.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE HOLDS THE
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  • NOW, LET'S MEET MY GUEST,
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  • DR. NATHANIEL JEANSON.
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  • HE HAS HIS PHD IN CELL AND
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  • DEVELOPMENTAL BIOLOGY FROM
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  • HARVARD AND HE'S DONE ORIGINAL
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  • LAB AND COMPUTATIONAL RESEARCH
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  • FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.
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  • HE'S LECTURED EXTENSIVELY ON
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  • THE CREATION-EVOLUTION DEBATE
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  • AND HE'S CONTRIBUTED TO THE
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  • SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WITH
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  • NUMEROUS PAPERS.
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  • HE'S ALSO THE AUTHOR OF THE
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  • WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
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  • - DR. NATHANIEL JEANSON: THANK
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  • YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
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  • - DAVID: IT IS GREAT TO HAVE
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  • YOU HERE.
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  • NOW, YOU'RE BASED IN THE
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  • CINCINNATI AREA...
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  • - DR. JEANSON: YES, SIR.
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  • - DAVID: ...WITH THE CREATION
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  • MUSEUM?
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  • - DR. JEANSON: AND THE
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  • ARK ENCOUNTER AND
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  • ANSWERS IN GENESIS.
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  • - DAVID: AHA!
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  • TELL ME ABOUT
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  • - DR. JEANSON: SO, WE EXIST
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  • AND HAVE EXISTED FOR A COUPLE
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  • OF DECADES, PRIMARILY TO EQUIP
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  • THE CHURCH TO STAND STRONG IN
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  • GENESIS, TO NOT COMPROMISE ON
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  • THOSE OPENING CHAPTERS, WHICH
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  • SETS THE TONE FOR THE
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  • AND HIS PRIMARY AUDIENCE, THE
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  • REASON HE CAME OVER FROM
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  • AUSTRALIA WAS PRIMARILY TO
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  • REACH...PEOPLE IN THE PEW THAT
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  • CARE ABOUT SOCIAL ISSUES, THAT
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  • CARE ABOUT THE GOSPEL, BUT TEND
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  • TO SAY, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO
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  • AND SO, WE EXIST TO EQUIP AND
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  • HELP THEM SEE THERE IS A
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  • GIGANTIC CONNECTION BETWEEN
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  • THESE TWO -- IT'S THE
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  • FOUNDATION FOR WHAT FOLLOWS --
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  • AND THEN, TO GIVE THEM
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  • CONFIDENCE THAT THEY CAN STAND
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  • ON THIS AND NOT BE INTIMIDATED
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  • BY THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY,
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  • WHICH SAYS OTHERWISE.
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  • - DAVID: AND THAT'S AN AMAZING
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  • GOAL AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT,
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  • BECAUSE, A LOT OF TIMES, TODAY,
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  • WE AS CHRISTIANS, WE LOOK AT
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  • THE NEW TESTAMENT AND WE DON'T
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  • REALIZE HOW FOUNDATIONAL SOME--
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  • ALL OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS
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  • TO EVEN UNDERSTANDING THE
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  • CONCEPTS THAT WE FIND IN THE
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  • NEW TESTAMENT, ESPECIALLY THE
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  • BOOK OF GENESIS.
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  • - DR. JEANSON: ABSOLUTELY.
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  • AND JUST MY OWN UNDERSTANDING
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  • OF THE NEW, HAVING GROWN UP IN
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  • THE CHURCH AND GROWN UP HEARING
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  • SO MANY SERMONS FROM THE NEW
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  • TO REALIZE...HOW MUCH IT
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  • EXPLODES, IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE
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  • OLD TESTAMENT CONTEXT THAT IT
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  • ASSUMES WHEN THE NEW TESTAMENT
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  • WRITERS TELL YOU ABOUT JESUS
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  • AND HIS WORK.
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  • - DAVID: YES!
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  • YEAH.
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  • WELL...YOU KNOW, I TELL YOU --
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  • THERE'S A BIG QUESTION, TODAY,
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  • BECAUSE THERE ARE...ALL OF
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  • THESE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT
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  • YOUNG-EARTH CREATIONISM CANNOT
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  • POSSIBLY BE SCIENCE, IT CAN'T
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  • POSSIBLY BE CORRECT BECAUSE SO
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  • MANY SCIENTISTS DISAGREE WITH
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  • IT.
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  • SPELL THAT OUT FOR US.
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  • - DR. JEANSON: IT'S A QUESTION
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  • I OFTEN GET FROM REPORTERS.
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  • THEY'LL START BY SAYING:
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  • "WELL, YOU'RE A SCIENTIST?"
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  • "YES."
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  • "YOU DISAGREE WITH THE
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  • MAINSTREAM COMMUNITY?"
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  • "YES."
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  • "YOU DON'T AGREE WITH
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  • EVOLUTION?"
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  • "CORRECT."
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  • SO, WHAT DO WE DO?
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  • AND THEY USUALLY GIVE ME ONE OF
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  • TWO POISONOUS OPTIONS.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • DO WE INVOKE SOME SORT
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  • OF VAST CONSPIRACY,
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  • 'CAUSE THEY KNOW 90-PLUS PERCENT
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  • OF SCIENTISTS --
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  • THEY SAY EVOLUTION IS TRUE,
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  • THERE'S NO DIVINE PARTICIPATION.
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  • AND, SO, THEY SAY: "DO YOU SAY
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  • THERE'S SOME-- SOME BIG,
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  • DEEP, DARK SECRET
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  • THEY'RE HIDING OR DO WE
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  • JUST THROW OUT SCIENCE?"
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  • - DAVID: HMH.
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  • - DR. JEANSON: AND...WHICH OF
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  • THOSE DO YOU WANNA PICK?
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  • LOOK LIKE A FOOL, HERE.
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  • LOOK LIKE A FOOL, HERE.
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  • - DAVID: YEAH.
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  • - DR. JEANSON: AND WHAT I
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  • FOUND IS MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
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  • THAT THAT SORT OF
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  • LOGIC...UNDERMINES EVERYTHING
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  • THAT EVOLUTIONISTS STAND ON, IF
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  • YOU APPLY IT BACK TO DARWIN
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  • HIMSELF.
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  • - DAVID: OKAY.
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  • - DR. JEANSON: SO, HE ADMITTED
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  • -- AND, AGAIN, I THINK MOST
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  • PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS -- HE
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  • ADMITTED IN HIS BOOK-- HE GOES
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  • THROUGH ALL THE EVIDENCE, GETS
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  • TO THE CLOSING CHAPTER, TRIES
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  • TO THEN DEAL WITH THE REACTION
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  • OF THE AUDIENCE.
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  • WHAT ARE THEY GONNA SAY?
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  • AND HE KNOWS-- AND HE SAYS
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  • DIRECTLY IN HIS BOOK, HE SAID:
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  • "WHY, IT MAY BE ASKED, HAVE ALL
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  • THE MOST EMINENT LIVING
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  • NATURALISTS AND GEOLOGISTS
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  • REJECTED THIS VIEW.."
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  • - DAVID: HMH!
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  • - DR. JEANSON: HIS VIEW.
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  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:06:58.050 --> 00:06:58.280
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND, THEN,
  • 00:06:58.280 --> 00:06:59.170
  • WALKS THROUGH REASONS WHY HE
  • 00:06:59.170 --> 00:07:00.090
  • THINKS THIS SHOULD CHANGE.
  • 00:07:00.090 --> 00:07:00.280
  • BUT JUST THAT FACT ALONE...
  • 00:07:00.280 --> 00:07:01.240
  • THE LOGIC TODAY BEING: YOU
  • 00:07:02.130 --> 00:07:05.130
  • DISAGREE WITH WHATEVER THE
  • 00:07:05.130 --> 00:07:07.030
  • CONSENSUS IS.
  • 00:07:07.030 --> 00:07:07.270
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:07:07.270 --> 00:07:08.150
  • - DR. JEANSON: AS IF CONSENSUS
  • 00:07:08.150 --> 00:07:09.270
  • DECIDES TRUTH.
  • 00:07:09.270 --> 00:07:10.100
  • YOU APPLY THAT LOGIC BACK TO
  • 00:07:10.100 --> 00:07:11.190
  • DARWIN -- WELL, THEN, WE SHOULD
  • 00:07:11.190 --> 00:07:12.190
  • REJECT EVOLUTION.
  • 00:07:12.190 --> 00:07:13.270
  • IT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL BECAUSE
  • 00:07:13.270 --> 00:07:15.070
  • THE CONSENSUS OF 1859 REJECTS
  • 00:07:15.070 --> 00:07:16.050
  • HIS VIEW.
  • 00:07:16.050 --> 00:07:18.070
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:07:18.070 --> 00:07:19.100
  • - DR. JEANSON: SO, THAT LOGIC
  • 00:07:19.100 --> 00:07:21.280
  • DOESN'T WORK AND DOES NOT HOLD
  • 00:07:21.280 --> 00:07:22.290
  • ANY WATER IF YOU TRY TO APPLY
  • 00:07:22.290 --> 00:07:23.200
  • IT TODAY.
  • 00:07:23.200 --> 00:07:24.010
  • BUT THAT'S-- THAT'S WHAT YOU
  • 00:07:24.010 --> 00:07:25.120
  • HEAR ALL THE TIME WHEN THEY
  • 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:26.070
  • FIND OUT, "OH, YOU DON'T AGREE?
  • 00:07:26.070 --> 00:07:27.130
  • WELL, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?"
  • 00:07:27.130 --> 00:07:29.020
  • AS IF THAT SOMEHOW IS THE
  • 00:07:29.020 --> 00:07:30.110
  • MEASURE OF TRUTH.
  • 00:07:30.110 --> 00:07:31.170
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:07:31.170 --> 00:07:32.240
  • WELL, NOW, AS A SCIENTIST,
  • 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.090
  • EXPLAIN THIS.
  • 00:07:34.090 --> 00:07:35.080
  • EXPLAIN THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD
  • 00:07:35.080 --> 00:07:36.280
  • AND EXPLAIN HOW, REALLY, WE
  • 00:07:36.280 --> 00:07:38.040
  • SHOULD BE QUESTIONING
  • 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.030
  • EVERYTHING.
  • 00:07:40.030 --> 00:07:42.010
  • WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO TEST AND
  • 00:07:42.010 --> 00:07:43.020
  • OBSERVE EVERYTHING, RIGHT?
  • 00:07:43.020 --> 00:07:44.080
  • - DR. JEANSON: YEAH.
  • 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:45.110
  • AND THERE'S...SOME WISDOM IN
  • 00:07:45.110 --> 00:07:47.080
  • TRUSTING WHAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE
  • 00:07:47.080 --> 00:07:49.110
  • ARRIVED AT.
  • 00:07:49.110 --> 00:07:49.270
  • BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT
  • 00:07:49.270 --> 00:07:51.080
  • ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
  • 00:07:51.080 --> 00:07:52.140
  • AND DARWIN HIMSELF, I THINK,
  • 00:07:52.140 --> 00:07:53.230
  • LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR GOING
  • 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:55.210
  • ABOUT CHALLENGING A CONSENSUS.
  • 00:07:55.210 --> 00:07:57.150
  • IF YOU LOOK HOW HE ANSWERED HIS
  • 00:07:57.150 --> 00:07:58.200
  • OWN QUESTION...
  • 00:07:58.200 --> 00:07:59.070
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:07:59.070 --> 00:08:00.020
  • - DR. JEANSON: ..."SO, WHY
  • 00:08:00.020 --> 00:08:01.030
  • SHOULD WE DISAGREE?" HE GAVE
  • 00:08:01.030 --> 00:08:01.230
  • ABOUT FOUR REASONS WHY HE
  • 00:08:01.230 --> 00:08:03.100
  • THOUGHT THIS WAS VALID.
  • 00:08:03.100 --> 00:08:04.130
  • ONE IS HE SAID: LET'S JUST GO
  • 00:08:04.130 --> 00:08:05.060
  • THROUGH WHAT I'VE COVERED --
  • 00:08:05.060 --> 00:08:06.260
  • THE PREVIOUS CHAPTERS, ALL THE
  • 00:08:06.260 --> 00:08:08.000
  • EVIDENCE I'D LAID OUT.
  • 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.060
  • HE SAID: THIS IS-- THIS, TO ME,
  • 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:11.010
  • IS FAIRLY CONVINCING.
  • 00:08:11.010 --> 00:08:11.290
  • AND I THINK ANYONE WHO READS
  • 00:08:11.290 --> 00:08:12.280
  • THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND WILL
  • 00:08:12.280 --> 00:08:13.230
  • THINK THAT WAY, AS WELL.
  • 00:08:13.230 --> 00:08:14.140
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:08:14.140 --> 00:08:15.030
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND THEN, HE
  • 00:08:15.030 --> 00:08:16.290
  • WALKED THROUGH...HUMAN
  • 00:08:16.290 --> 00:08:17.160
  • PSYCHOLOGY -- WHICH, AGAIN,
  • 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:18.170
  • HAS NOT CHANGED, FROM MY
  • 00:08:18.170 --> 00:08:19.240
  • PERSPECTIVE IN 150 YEARS.
  • 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:20.180
  • HE SAID, "...WE ARE ALWAYS SLOW
  • 00:08:20.180 --> 00:08:21.270
  • IN ADMITTING ANY GREAT CHANGE
  • 00:08:21.270 --> 00:08:23.030
  • OF WHICH WE DO NOT SEE THE
  • 00:08:23.030 --> 00:08:24.050
  • INTERMEDIATE STEPS."
  • 00:08:24.050 --> 00:08:24.220
  • SO, IF...PEOPLE'S VIEW IS HERE
  • 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:27.130
  • AND WHAT THE PERSON IS
  • 00:08:27.130 --> 00:08:29.020
  • PROPOSING IS 180 DEGREES
  • 00:08:29.020 --> 00:08:31.000
  • OPPOSITE, IT'S NOT EASY TO
  • 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.050
  • COMPLETELY CHANGE YOUR MIND.
  • 00:08:33.050 --> 00:08:34.140
  • AND I'VE SEEN THIS IN PERSON.
  • 00:08:34.140 --> 00:08:35.090
  • I REMEMBER GIVING A LECTURE ON
  • 00:08:35.090 --> 00:08:36.050
  • DINOSAURS AT A BAPTIST COLLEGE
  • 00:08:36.050 --> 00:08:37.010
  • IN TEXAS.
  • 00:08:37.010 --> 00:08:38.150
  • AND A STUDENT WHO GREW UP IN
  • 00:08:38.150 --> 00:08:39.280
  • THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM,
  • 00:08:39.280 --> 00:08:41.010
  • CHRISTIAN, PROFESSING
  • 00:08:41.010 --> 00:08:42.130
  • CHRISTIAN, CAME TO ME.
  • 00:08:42.130 --> 00:08:43.050
  • IT WAS JUST A WORLDVIEW TALK.
  • 00:08:43.050 --> 00:08:43.260
  • AND HE WAS DISTRAUGHT, SAYING,
  • 00:08:43.260 --> 00:08:44.270
  • "EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID IS THE
  • 00:08:44.270 --> 00:08:47.040
  • OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED."
  • 00:08:47.040 --> 00:08:48.000
  • AND, HE FELT LIKE HE HAD TO DO
  • 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:49.020
  • A BRAIN TRANSPLANT.
  • 00:08:49.020 --> 00:08:49.270
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:08:49.270 --> 00:08:50.280
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND I SAID,
  • 00:08:50.280 --> 00:08:51.180
  • "WHOA."
  • 00:08:51.180 --> 00:08:52.000
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:52.150
  • - DR. JEANSON: "SLOW DOWN.
  • 00:08:52.150 --> 00:08:53.050
  • YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND THAT
  • 00:08:53.050 --> 00:08:53.270
  • FAST.
  • 00:08:53.270 --> 00:08:54.060
  • YOU HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THIS
  • 00:08:54.060 --> 00:08:54.270
  • SLOWLY.
  • 00:08:54.270 --> 00:08:55.150
  • YOU'VE GONE THROUGH YEARS OF
  • 00:08:55.150 --> 00:08:56.130
  • EDUCATION LEARNING ONE WAY AND
  • 00:08:56.130 --> 00:08:57.180
  • I'M TELLING YOU THE COMPLETE
  • 00:08:57.180 --> 00:08:58.230
  • OPPOSITE.
  • 00:08:58.230 --> 00:08:59.090
  • YOU CAN'T DO THIS OVERNIGHT."
  • 00:08:59.090 --> 00:09:00.260
  • SO, DARWIN RECOGNIZED THAT AND
  • 00:09:00.260 --> 00:09:02.190
  • I THINK EVERYONE ELSE WOULD BE
  • 00:09:02.190 --> 00:09:04.100
  • WISE TO RECOGNIZE WHEN
  • 00:09:04.100 --> 00:09:05.070
  • CREATIONISTS COME ALONG,
  • 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:07.000
  • CHALLENGE THINGS, TAKE IT SLOW.
  • 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:08.190
  • IT IS A BIG CHANGE.
  • 00:09:08.190 --> 00:09:10.040
  • BUT, IT'S-- IT'S GONNA HAPPEN
  • 00:09:10.040 --> 00:09:10.270
  • SLOWLY.
  • 00:09:10.270 --> 00:09:11.230
  • DARWIN KNEW IT.
  • 00:09:11.230 --> 00:09:12.110
  • WE KNOW IT, TODAY.
  • 00:09:12.110 --> 00:09:14.160
  • AND WE SHOULD APPLY THE SAME
  • 00:09:14.160 --> 00:09:15.150
  • THING.
  • 00:09:15.150 --> 00:09:15.260
  • - DAVID: AND WHEN YOU JUST
  • 00:09:15.260 --> 00:09:16.160
  • TAKE AN IMMEDIATE JUMP FROM ONE
  • 00:09:16.160 --> 00:09:17.130
  • VIEW TO ANOTHER, THAT SEEMS
  • 00:09:17.130 --> 00:09:19.080
  • RADICAL, RIGHT?
  • 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:20.240
  • - DR. JEANSON: IT IS.
  • 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:21.230
  • - DAVID: YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO
  • 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:25.020
  • LOOK AT WHAT'S THERE AND THEN
  • 00:09:25.020 --> 00:09:25.230
  • LOGICALLY PROCESS THAT.
  • 00:09:25.230 --> 00:09:27.170
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND IF YOU HAVE
  • 00:09:27.170 --> 00:09:29.080
  • A HABIT OF JUST JUMPING FROM
  • 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:30.130
  • ONE TO THE OTHER, YOU'RE
  • 00:09:30.130 --> 00:09:31.150
  • PROBABLY JUST AS EASILY GONNA
  • 00:09:31.150 --> 00:09:32.060
  • JUMP TO SOMETHING ELSE NEXT
  • 00:09:32.060 --> 00:09:33.110
  • TIME IT COMES AROUND.
  • 00:09:33.110 --> 00:09:34.290
  • AND, TO ME, THAT'S
  • 00:09:34.290 --> 00:09:35.170
  • NOT THE GOAL.
  • 00:09:35.170 --> 00:09:36.070
  • - DAVID: THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT
  • 00:09:36.070 --> 00:09:36.290
  • THAT, DOESN'T IT?
  • 00:09:36.290 --> 00:09:38.060
  • IT SAYS: (PARAPHRASED)
  • 00:09:38.060 --> 00:09:38.230
  • "...TOSSED ABOUT BY EVERY
  • 00:09:38.230 --> 00:09:39.130
  • WIND OF DOCTRINE."
  • 00:09:39.130 --> 00:09:40.000
  • - DR. JEANSON: SWINGING ON A
  • 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:40.250
  • DOOR, SWINGING ON ITS HINGES.
  • 00:09:40.250 --> 00:09:41.160
  • YOU DON'T WANNA BE THAT PERSON.
  • 00:09:41.160 --> 00:09:42.080
  • - DAVID: NO, NO, NO.
  • 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:42.250
  • - DR. JEANSON: WALK THROUGH
  • 00:09:42.250 --> 00:09:43.150
  • IT SLOWLY.
  • 00:09:43.150 --> 00:09:43.260
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:44.100
  • - DR. JEANSON: HE ALSO
  • 00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:44.280
  • MENTIONED -- AND I COULDN'T
  • 00:09:44.280 --> 00:09:45.180
  • BELIEVE HE GOT AWAY WITH THIS
  • 00:09:45.180 --> 00:09:46.140
  • IN VICTORIAN ENGLAND -- HE
  • 00:09:46.140 --> 00:09:47.080
  • AND THIS ONE, I'M GONNA QUOTE
  • 00:09:49.290 --> 00:09:50.200
  • IT DIRECTLY, JUST SO YOU HEAR
  • 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:51.110
  • FROM-- FROM THE MAN'S
  • 00:09:51.110 --> 00:09:51.280
  • MOUTH HIMSELF.
  • 00:09:51.280 --> 00:09:52.200
  • "...I, BY NO MEANS,
  • 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:53.060
  • EXPECT TO CONVINCE
  • 00:09:53.060 --> 00:09:54.070
  • EXPERIENCED NATURALISTS WHOSE
  • 00:09:54.070 --> 00:09:55.180
  • MINDS ARE STOCKED WITH A
  • 00:09:55.180 --> 00:09:56.200
  • MULTITUDE OF FACTS DURING
  • 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.270
  • A LONG COURSE OF YEARS,
  • 00:09:58.270 --> 00:09:59.180
  • FROM A POINT DIRECTLY OPPOSITE
  • 00:09:59.180 --> 00:10:00.120
  • TO MINE....
  • 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.010
  • I LOOK WITH CONFIDENCE TO THE
  • 00:10:03.010 --> 00:10:03.220
  • FUTURE, TO YOUNG AND RISING
  • 00:10:03.220 --> 00:10:05.170
  • NATURALISTS, WHO WILL BE ABLE
  • 00:10:05.170 --> 00:10:06.190
  • TO [VIEW BOTH SIDES OF THE
  • 00:10:06.190 --> 00:10:08.170
  • QUESTION] WITH IMPARTIALITY."
  • 00:10:09.020 --> 00:10:12.020
  • AND, SADLY, I'VE SEEN THE SAME
  • 00:10:12.020 --> 00:10:14.010
  • THING IN MY OWN YEARS OF
  • 00:10:14.010 --> 00:10:15.100
  • DOING THIS.
  • 00:10:15.100 --> 00:10:17.120
  • AND SEEKING CONSTRUCTIVE
  • 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:18.000
  • CRITICISM-- 'CAUSE I'M NOT
  • 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:18.200
  • PERFECT AND THE CONCLUSIONS I
  • 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:19.290
  • REACH, I WANT THEM CRITICIZED.
  • 00:10:19.290 --> 00:10:21.150
  • THEY WILL GET CRITICIZED
  • 00:10:21.150 --> 00:10:22.120
  • WHETHER I WANT THEM TO OR NOT.
  • 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:23.240
  • AND, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DOING
  • 00:10:24.140 --> 00:10:27.140
  • THIS FOR A LONG TIME, WHOSE
  • 00:10:27.140 --> 00:10:28.170
  • CAREER RESTS ON THIS...I DON'T
  • 00:10:28.170 --> 00:10:29.200
  • SEE THEM CHANGING THEIR MIND.
  • 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.020
  • BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE THIS
  • 00:10:31.020 --> 00:10:31.210
  • FOR SO LONG.
  • 00:10:34.010 --> 00:10:37.010
  • AND, UH...I DON'T SEE THE
  • 00:10:37.010 --> 00:10:37.200
  • CONSENSUS CHANGING JUST LIKE
  • 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:38.100
  • THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY
  • 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:39.010
  • PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ENTRENCHED
  • 00:10:39.010 --> 00:10:39.230
  • IN THIS FOR SO LONG.
  • 00:10:39.230 --> 00:10:40.210
  • THAT APPLIES EQUALLY, AS WELL.
  • 00:10:40.210 --> 00:10:42.030
  • AND THEN, DARWIN POINTS OUT HIS
  • 00:10:42.030 --> 00:10:43.070
  • FOURTH REASON FOR CHANGING THE
  • 00:10:43.070 --> 00:10:44.150
  • CONSENSUS IS THERE'S
  • 00:10:44.150 --> 00:10:45.010
  • CONTRADICTIONS IN THE OPPOSING
  • 00:10:45.010 --> 00:10:47.130
  • VIEWS.
  • 00:10:47.130 --> 00:10:48.190
  • AND HE SAYS THIS IS PART OF THE
  • 00:10:48.190 --> 00:10:50.110
  • DEFICIENCY AND WHY THE
  • 00:10:50.110 --> 00:10:51.100
  • CONSENSUS SHOULD BE CHANGED.
  • 00:10:51.100 --> 00:10:53.110
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:10:53.110 --> 00:10:54.040
  • - DR. JEANSON: THE WAY THEY
  • 00:10:54.040 --> 00:10:54.290
  • TRY TO PROTECT AND KEEP IT
  • 00:10:54.290 --> 00:10:55.230
  • ESTABLISHED TELLS YOU THIS IS
  • 00:10:55.230 --> 00:10:57.030
  • NOT ALL ITS CRACKED UP TO BE.
  • 00:10:57.030 --> 00:10:59.010
  • IF IT WAS AS STRONG A POSITION
  • 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.140
  • AS THE CONSENSUS IMPLIES...
  • 00:11:02.140 --> 00:11:03.190
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:11:03.190 --> 00:11:04.260
  • - DR. JEANSON: ...IT SHOULD BE
  • 00:11:04.260 --> 00:11:05.180
  • ABLE TO STAND WITHOUT PEOPLE
  • 00:11:05.180 --> 00:11:07.020
  • CONSTANTLY PATCHING IT UP AND
  • 00:11:07.020 --> 00:11:08.160
  • ADDING A PROTECTION HERE AND
  • 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:09.270
  • KEEPING THE OPPOSITION OUT.
  • 00:11:09.270 --> 00:11:11.020
  • AND ALL THOSE THINGS, TO ME,
  • 00:11:11.020 --> 00:11:12.160
  • APPLY JUST AS WELL TO THE
  • 00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:13.290
  • CREATION MODEL TODAY.
  • 00:11:13.290 --> 00:11:14.160
  • IT'S RIPE FOR JUST AS MUCH OF A
  • 00:11:14.160 --> 00:11:17.150
  • REVOLUTION AS IT WAS IN
  • 00:11:17.150 --> 00:11:18.120
  • DARWIN'S DAY.
  • 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:18.280
  • - DAVID: SO, YOU'RE SAYING
  • 00:11:18.280 --> 00:11:21.050
  • THAT THIS IS JUST AS RELEVANT.
  • 00:11:21.050 --> 00:11:23.020
  • WHAT DARWIN WROTE...IS JUST AS
  • 00:11:23.020 --> 00:11:24.200
  • RELEVANT TODAY THAT EXPERIENCED
  • 00:11:24.210 --> 00:11:27.210
  • SCIENTISTS ARE PROBABLY-- THEY
  • 00:11:27.210 --> 00:11:29.270
  • HAVE THEIR MIND SET, THEY HAVE
  • 00:11:29.270 --> 00:11:32.080
  • THEIR MIND MADE UP.
  • 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:35.050
  • AND TO TRY TO CONVINCE THEM
  • 00:11:35.050 --> 00:11:36.120
  • OTHERWISE OF WHAT THEY HAVE
  • 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:37.140
  • LEARNED IN COLLEGE, AND SCHOOL,
  • 00:11:37.140 --> 00:11:39.010
  • AND UNIVERSITY, ON TV, IN
  • 00:11:39.010 --> 00:11:41.030
  • TEXTBOOKS-- EVERYWHERE THEY
  • 00:11:41.030 --> 00:11:43.010
  • TURN, THEY'VE BEEN STEEPED IN
  • 00:11:43.010 --> 00:11:44.210
  • THIS ONE VIEW.
  • 00:11:44.210 --> 00:11:46.150
  • TO TRY TO CONVINCE THOSE OF
  • 00:11:46.150 --> 00:11:47.290
  • ANYTHING DIFFERENT MAY BE VERY
  • 00:11:47.290 --> 00:11:49.190
  • DIFFICULT UNLESS THEY HAVE AN
  • 00:11:49.190 --> 00:11:51.140
  • EXTREMELY OPEN MIND TO VIEWING
  • 00:11:51.140 --> 00:11:53.060
  • WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO NEW
  • 00:11:56.030 --> 00:11:56.230
  • SCIENCE, RIGHT?
  • 00:11:56.230 --> 00:11:58.140
  • BECAUSE, THE OLD, ANTIQUATED
  • 00:11:58.160 --> 00:12:01.180
  • SCIENCE OF DARWIN'S DAY...WE
  • 00:12:01.270 --> 00:12:04.270
  • FOUND OUT A LOT OF NEW THINGS
  • 00:12:04.270 --> 00:12:05.210
  • SINCE THEN, HAVEN'T WE?
  • 00:12:05.210 --> 00:12:06.110
  • AND IT HASN'T POINTED TOWARDS
  • 00:12:06.110 --> 00:12:07.020
  • DARWIN'S VIEW.
  • 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:09.050
  • - DR. JEANSON: YEAH.
  • 00:12:09.050 --> 00:12:10.260
  • AND WE'VE SEEN...PREDICTIONS
  • 00:12:10.260 --> 00:12:12.000
  • MADE...HALF A CENTURY AGO THAT
  • 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.260
  • SHOULD CONFIRM EVOLUTION.
  • 00:12:14.070 --> 00:12:17.070
  • IF EVOLUTION'S TRUE, THEY'LL
  • 00:12:17.070 --> 00:12:18.270
  • SAY: THEN, WE SHOULD SEE THIS
  • 00:12:18.270 --> 00:12:19.220
  • IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:12:19.220 --> 00:12:20.290
  • WE SHOULD SEE THIS IN
  • 00:12:22.280 --> 00:12:23.290
  • THE FOSSIL RECORD.
  • 00:12:23.290 --> 00:12:24.170
  • AND THEN, WE FIND THE
  • 00:12:24.170 --> 00:12:25.040
  • OPPOSITE.
  • 00:12:25.040 --> 00:12:25.250
  • AND THEN, THAT OPPOSITE
  • 00:12:25.250 --> 00:12:26.280
  • DISCOVERY MORPHS INTO EVIDENCE
  • 00:12:26.280 --> 00:12:29.030
  • FOR EVOLUTION.
  • 00:12:29.030 --> 00:12:29.270
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:12:29.270 --> 00:12:30.250
  • - DR. JEANSON: HOW CAN THAT BE
  • 00:12:30.250 --> 00:12:31.170
  • POSSIBLE?
  • 00:12:31.170 --> 00:12:31.280
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:12:31.280 --> 00:12:32.120
  • - DR. JEANSON: TWO MUTUALLY
  • 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:33.020
  • EXCLUSIVE THINGS, BOTH OF
  • 00:12:33.020 --> 00:12:34.130
  • THEM LEAVING EVIDENCE.
  • 00:12:34.130 --> 00:12:35.000
  • IF EVERYTHING FITS EVOLUTION,
  • 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:35.280
  • THEN NOTHING DOES.
  • 00:12:35.280 --> 00:12:36.130
  • IT'S NOT AN EXPLANATION THAT
  • 00:12:36.130 --> 00:12:37.040
  • WORKS.
  • 00:12:37.040 --> 00:12:37.230
  • - DAVID: HMH.
  • 00:12:37.230 --> 00:12:38.110
  • - DR. JEANSON: SO, THAT'S...
  • 00:12:38.110 --> 00:12:39.020
  • THAT'S A MAJOR HOLE IN THAT.
  • 00:12:39.020 --> 00:12:41.070
  • AND, THINKING BACK TO WHAT THE
  • 00:12:41.070 --> 00:12:42.200
  • REPORTER'S QUESTION IS THAT I
  • 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:44.040
  • TYPICALLY GET ASKED...
  • 00:12:44.040 --> 00:12:46.130
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:12:46.130 --> 00:12:47.020
  • - DR. JEANSON:
  • 00:12:47.020 --> 00:12:47.220
  • "SO, WHAT DO YOU DO?" -- I
  • 00:12:47.220 --> 00:12:48.110
  • USUALLY SAY -- AND THIS RELATES
  • 00:12:48.110 --> 00:12:49.030
  • DIRECTLY TO THIS ENTRENCHED
  • 00:12:49.030 --> 00:12:50.240
  • MINDSET -- I SAY, "NEITHER OF
  • 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:51.290
  • THOSE POISONOUS OPTIONS THAT
  • 00:12:51.290 --> 00:12:53.140
  • YOU JUST GAVE ME WORKS."
  • 00:12:53.140 --> 00:12:54.190
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:12:54.190 --> 00:12:55.140
  • IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S A
  • 00:12:55.140 --> 00:12:56.030
  • CONSPIRACY.
  • 00:12:56.030 --> 00:12:56.170
  • IT'S NOT THAT WE THROW OUT
  • 00:12:56.170 --> 00:12:57.060
  • SCIENCE.
  • 00:12:57.060 --> 00:12:57.180
  • IT'S A REALLY MUNDANE
  • 00:12:57.180 --> 00:12:58.120
  • EXPLANATION.
  • 00:12:58.120 --> 00:12:59.230
  • ALL THESE SCIENTISTS, AS YOU
  • 00:12:59.230 --> 00:13:01.250
  • MENTIONED, GROW UP, FOR
  • 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:02.210
  • WHATEVER REASON -- THIS IS JUST
  • 00:13:02.210 --> 00:13:03.280
  • EN EMPIRICAL OBSERVATION.
  • 00:13:03.280 --> 00:13:05.200
  • THEY GO THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL,
  • 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:06.280
  • THEY GO THROUGH-- THEY GO
  • 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:08.030
  • THROUGH ELEMENTARY, JUNIOR
  • 00:13:08.030 --> 00:13:08.220
  • HIGH, HIGH SCHOOL -- ONLY
  • 00:13:08.220 --> 00:13:09.230
  • EVOLUTION.
  • 00:13:09.230 --> 00:13:10.140
  • COLLEGE -- ONLY EVOLUTION.
  • 00:13:10.140 --> 00:13:11.230
  • PHD -- ONLY EVOLUTION.
  • 00:13:11.230 --> 00:13:12.100
  • THEY ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF
  • 00:13:12.100 --> 00:13:14.180
  • WHAT MODERN, YOUNG-EARTH
  • 00:13:14.180 --> 00:13:16.080
  • CREATIONISTS BELIEVE, THE TYPES
  • 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:17.180
  • OF SCIENCE THEY ENDORSE.
  • 00:13:17.180 --> 00:13:18.260
  • THEY AREN'T TESTING THOSE
  • 00:13:18.260 --> 00:13:20.050
  • HYPOTHESES.
  • 00:13:20.050 --> 00:13:21.000
  • AND SO...SOMEONE COMES ALONG
  • 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:22.050
  • PROPOSING -- ALMOST OUT OF THE
  • 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:25.120
  • BLUE, GIVEN THEIR EDUCATIONAL
  • 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.110
  • UPBRINGING -- SOMETHING TOTALLY
  • 00:13:27.110 --> 00:13:28.260
  • OUT OF LEFT FIELD.
  • 00:13:28.260 --> 00:13:31.060
  • IT HITS 'EM LIKE A TON OF
  • 00:13:31.060 --> 00:13:31.250
  • BRICKS.
  • 00:13:31.250 --> 00:13:32.170
  • AND MOST SCIENTISTS, I DON'T
  • 00:13:32.170 --> 00:13:33.160
  • THINK, THINK ABOUT EVOLUTION.
  • 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:34.110
  • THEY GO ABOUT THEIR DAILY WORK.
  • 00:13:34.110 --> 00:13:35.140
  • THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:13:35.140 --> 00:13:36.060
  • MAKE IT THEIR OCCUPATION TO
  • 00:13:36.210 --> 00:13:39.210
  • PUBLICLY OPPOSE CREATION.
  • 00:13:39.210 --> 00:13:41.190
  • IN MY EXPERIENCE, THEY TEND TO
  • 00:13:41.190 --> 00:13:43.130
  • BE SOMEWHAT DISHONEST.
  • 00:13:43.130 --> 00:13:44.180
  • THAT'S NOT TO IMPUGN THE ENTIRE
  • 00:13:44.180 --> 00:13:46.090
  • MAINSTREAM COMMUNITY.
  • 00:13:46.090 --> 00:13:47.000
  • 'CAUSE, AGAIN, THE...MAJORITY
  • 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:48.160
  • OF THEM, I THINK, DON'T EVEN
  • 00:13:48.160 --> 00:13:49.060
  • TOUCH THIS ISSUE.
  • 00:13:49.060 --> 00:13:49.260
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:13:49.260 --> 00:13:50.180
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND SO, YOU
  • 00:13:50.180 --> 00:13:51.200
  • COME ALONG AND POP THIS BUBBLE
  • 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.060
  • THEY'VE LIVED IN...
  • 00:13:54.060 --> 00:13:54.230
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:13:54.230 --> 00:13:55.070
  • - DR. JEANSON: ...NOW YOU GET
  • 00:13:55.070 --> 00:13:55.280
  • THIS VISCERAL REACTION AND IT'S
  • 00:13:55.280 --> 00:13:57.140
  • A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
  • 00:13:57.140 --> 00:13:58.060
  • - DAVID: AH-HAH...
  • 00:13:58.060 --> 00:13:58.270
  • OKAY, WELL, TALK ABOUT THAT FOR
  • 00:13:58.270 --> 00:13:59.190
  • A SECOND.
  • 00:13:59.190 --> 00:14:00.030
  • BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU SAY THAT
  • 00:14:00.030 --> 00:14:01.100
  • MOST SCIENTISTS WILL GO ABOUT
  • 00:14:01.100 --> 00:14:02.210
  • THEIR DAILY LIVES
  • 00:14:02.210 --> 00:14:03.280
  • AND...SCIENTIFIC CAREERS NOT
  • 00:14:03.280 --> 00:14:06.170
  • THINKING ABOUT EVOLUTION.
  • 00:14:06.170 --> 00:14:08.040
  • YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE DON'T
  • 00:14:08.040 --> 00:14:09.250
  • REALLY NEED TO BELIEVE IN
  • 00:14:09.250 --> 00:14:11.210
  • NATURAL EVOLUTION AND DARWINIAN
  • 00:14:11.210 --> 00:14:13.060
  • EVOLUTION TO...BE A GOOD
  • 00:14:13.060 --> 00:14:13.240
  • SCIENTIST.
  • 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.020
  • - DR. JEANSON: EVEN THOUGH THE
  • 00:14:16.020 --> 00:14:17.070
  • MAIN MANTRA THAT'S TAUGHT IS
  • 00:14:17.070 --> 00:14:18.270
  • NOTHING IN BIOLOGY MAKES SENSE
  • 00:14:18.270 --> 00:14:21.020
  • EXCEPT IN LIGHT OF EVOLUTION.
  • 00:14:21.020 --> 00:14:21.260
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:14:21.260 --> 00:14:22.100
  • - DR. JEANSON: IT'S REALLY NOT
  • 00:14:22.100 --> 00:14:23.120
  • THAT RELEVANT...TO WHAT IS
  • 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:24.010
  • GOING ON DAY TO DAY.
  • 00:14:24.010 --> 00:14:25.280
  • IT'S A QUESTION OF THE PAST.
  • 00:14:25.280 --> 00:14:26.180
  • HOW DID WE GET HERE?
  • 00:14:26.180 --> 00:14:28.100
  • HOW DID...SPECIES GET HERE?
  • 00:14:28.100 --> 00:14:29.000
  • HOW DID THE UNIVERSE
  • 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.150
  • COME TO BE?
  • 00:14:31.150 --> 00:14:33.240
  • BUT WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON
  • 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:34.180
  • "DOES THIS DRUG CURE CANCER?"
  • 00:14:34.180 --> 00:14:35.120
  • THAT'S NOT RELEVANT AT ALL.
  • 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.170
  • - DAVID: THAT HAS NOTHING TO
  • 00:14:37.170 --> 00:14:38.080
  • DO-- RIGHT.
  • 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:38.270
  • - DR. JEANSON: HARDLY AT ALL.
  • 00:14:38.270 --> 00:14:39.190
  • AND SO, WHEN I WAS IN GRADUATE
  • 00:14:39.190 --> 00:14:42.070
  • SCHOOL WORKING ON ADULT STEM
  • 00:14:42.070 --> 00:14:43.250
  • CELLS -- CELLS THAT SUSTAIN OUR
  • 00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:45.170
  • BLOOD AND SUCH -- AND I HAD
  • 00:14:45.170 --> 00:14:47.030
  • EVOLUTIONARY COLLEAGUES --
  • 00:14:47.030 --> 00:14:48.190
  • ABOUT 20 PEOPLE IN THE LAB --
  • 00:14:48.190 --> 00:14:49.230
  • WE DISCUSSED THESE ISSUES.
  • 00:14:49.230 --> 00:14:51.100
  • 'CAUSE THEY KNEW I WAS A
  • 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:52.100
  • CHRISTIAN, THEY KNEW I WAS A
  • 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:53.000
  • CREATIONIST.
  • 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:53.130
  • BUT THEY WEREN'T PREPARED TO
  • 00:14:53.130 --> 00:14:55.120
  • DEFEND IT, REALLY.
  • 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:56.270
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:14:56.270 --> 00:14:57.170
  • - DR. JEANSON: THEY HADN'T
  • 00:14:57.170 --> 00:14:58.110
  • REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
  • 00:14:58.110 --> 00:14:59.080
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:00.030
  • - DR. JEANSON: THEY WERE JUST
  • 00:15:00.030 --> 00:15:00.240
  • CONCERNED WITH THEIR DAY-TO-DAY
  • 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:01.160
  • RESEARCH.
  • 00:15:01.160 --> 00:15:02.000
  • AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY
  • 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:03.050
  • TRUE, THEN, AS A GENERAL RULE.
  • 00:15:03.050 --> 00:15:04.180
  • 'CAUSE MOST OF WHAT HAPPENS AND
  • 00:15:04.180 --> 00:15:05.200
  • WHAT GETS THE FUNDING-- WHAT DO
  • 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:06.120
  • WE FUND AS TAX PAYERS?
  • 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:07.190
  • RESEARCH ON OUR HEALTH.
  • 00:15:07.190 --> 00:15:09.240
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.190
  • - DR. JEANSON: NOT NECESSARILY
  • 00:15:10.190 --> 00:15:11.110
  • RESEARCH OF WHERE WE CAME FROM.
  • 00:15:11.110 --> 00:15:12.030
  • THAT'S A MINOR FUNDING STREAM.
  • 00:15:12.030 --> 00:15:12.240
  • AND SO, THAT MEANS MOST OF THE
  • 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:13.170
  • PEOPLE RECEIVING THE GRANT
  • 00:15:13.170 --> 00:15:16.070
  • MONEY, GETTING PAID TO DO THIS,
  • 00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:18.090
  • ARE WORKING ON PRESENT TENSE,
  • 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:19.280
  • IN-TODAY HEALTH QUESTIONS,
  • 00:15:19.280 --> 00:15:22.220
  • WHICH HAVE JUST A TANGENTIAL
  • 00:15:22.220 --> 00:15:25.110
  • RELATIONSHIP TO--
  • 00:15:25.110 --> 00:15:26.070
  • - DAVID: OUR ORIGINS.
  • 00:15:26.070 --> 00:15:27.020
  • - DR. JEANSON: --THE QUESTION
  • 00:15:27.020 --> 00:15:27.230
  • OF WHERE WE CAME FROM.
  • 00:15:27.230 --> 00:15:28.100
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:15:28.100 --> 00:15:28.290
  • OKAY, SO, DARWIN WAS
  • 00:15:28.290 --> 00:15:29.150
  • REVOLUTIONARY IN HIS FIELD.
  • 00:15:29.150 --> 00:15:31.270
  • HE BECAME LOOKED UP TO, PLACED
  • 00:15:31.270 --> 00:15:34.220
  • ALMOST ON A PEDESTAL, WHERE,
  • 00:15:34.220 --> 00:15:36.200
  • TODAY, YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THE
  • 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:39.020
  • STREETS AND ASK PEOPLE
  • 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.000
  • "DO YOU KNOW WHO
  • 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:43.160
  • DARWIN IS?"
  • 00:15:43.160 --> 00:15:44.070
  • AND "WHAT WAS HIS THEORY?"
  • 00:15:44.070 --> 00:15:45.000
  • WE DID THAT.
  • 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:45.150
  • LET'S PLAY THE CLIP AND LOOK AT
  • 00:15:45.150 --> 00:15:47.050
  • - INTERVIEWEE: UGH...
  • 00:15:52.020 --> 00:15:52.230
  • I KNOW HE'S A FAMOUS SCIENTIST.
  • 00:15:52.230 --> 00:15:54.010
  • [LAUGHS]
  • 00:15:54.010 --> 00:15:54.170
  • I DON'T KNOW EVEN WHAT HE DID,
  • 00:15:54.170 --> 00:15:55.280
  • THOUGH.
  • 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:56.250
  • - INTERVIEWEE: HE, UH, CREATED
  • 00:15:56.250 --> 00:15:58.170
  • THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION.
  • 00:15:58.170 --> 00:16:00.100
  • BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BASED ON
  • 00:16:00.100 --> 00:16:02.030
  • GENESIS 1 AND GENESIS 2,
  • 00:16:02.030 --> 00:16:04.190
  • ACTUALLY.
  • 00:16:04.190 --> 00:16:05.060
  • HE WAS A THEOLOGIAN FROM
  • 00:16:05.060 --> 00:16:05.270
  • CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY.
  • 00:16:05.270 --> 00:16:06.180
  • - INTERVIEWEE: CHARLES
  • 00:16:06.180 --> 00:16:07.260
  • DARWIN...YES.
  • 00:16:07.260 --> 00:16:08.210
  • DARWIN THEORY.
  • 00:16:08.210 --> 00:16:09.120
  • SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.
  • 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.010
  • - INTERVIEWEE: EVOLUTION.
  • 00:16:11.010 --> 00:16:12.010
  • - FEMALE VOICE: YOU THINK SO?
  • 00:16:12.010 --> 00:16:13.250
  • - INTERVIEWEE: YEAH, YEAH.
  • 00:16:13.250 --> 00:16:14.150
  • EVOLUTION, YEAH.
  • 00:16:14.150 --> 00:16:15.030
  • - INTERVIEWEE: UH, CHARLES
  • 00:16:15.030 --> 00:16:15.250
  • DARWIN WAS A SCIENTIST AND
  • 00:16:15.250 --> 00:16:17.030
  • HIS THEORY WAS THE THEORY
  • 00:16:17.030 --> 00:16:18.240
  • OF EVOLUTION.
  • 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:19.110
  • BASICALLY, WE ALL CAME FROM A,
  • 00:16:19.110 --> 00:16:21.100
  • UH...LIKE, ONE CORE SPECIES AND
  • 00:16:22.130 --> 00:16:25.130
  • THEY BRANCHED OFF.
  • 00:16:25.130 --> 00:16:26.060
  • YEAH.
  • 00:16:26.060 --> 00:16:27.190
  • - INTERVIEWEE (LEFT): ORIGINS
  • 00:16:27.190 --> 00:16:28.100
  • OF SPECIES.
  • 00:16:28.100 --> 00:16:29.110
  • YEAH, HE DEVELOPED, UH...YOU
  • 00:16:29.110 --> 00:16:30.200
  • KNOW, THOUGHTS OF ANIMAL, UM,
  • 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.080
  • EVOLUTION -- FINCHES.
  • 00:16:33.020 --> 00:16:36.020
  • - INTERVIEWEE (RIGHT):
  • 00:16:36.020 --> 00:16:37.030
  • THEORICIST.
  • 00:16:37.180 --> 00:16:40.180
  • - INTERVIEWEE (LEFT): YEAH.
  • 00:16:40.180 --> 00:16:41.200
  • - INTERVIEWEE (RIGHT):
  • 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:42.110
  • ...THAT...DIDN'T BELIEVE
  • 00:16:42.110 --> 00:16:43.030
  • IN GOD.
  • 00:16:43.030 --> 00:16:43.200
  • - INTERVIEWEE: CHARLES DARWIN
  • 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.110
  • WAS A NATURALIST AND HE
  • 00:16:44.110 --> 00:16:44.290
  • DISCOVERED, OR HE PENNED, THE
  • 00:16:44.290 --> 00:16:46.030
  • THEORY OF EVOLUTION, WHICH
  • 00:16:46.040 --> 00:16:49.040
  • WOULD BE NATURAL SELECTION
  • 00:16:49.040 --> 00:16:50.180
  • EVOLVES ANIMALS, OR GROUPS OF
  • 00:16:50.180 --> 00:16:53.050
  • ANIMALS, OVER A LONG TIME, DUE
  • 00:16:53.050 --> 00:16:54.230
  • TO ARTIFICIAL SELECTION.
  • 00:16:54.230 --> 00:16:57.020
  • - INTERVIEWEE: HE'S THE
  • 00:16:57.020 --> 00:16:58.240
  • EVOLUTION GUY WHO, LIKE, WENT
  • 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:00.100
  • TO A BIRD ISLAND WITH SOME
  • 00:17:00.100 --> 00:17:01.240
  • BIRDS AND SAW HOW THEIR BEAKS
  • 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:02.270
  • CHANGED OVER TIME.
  • 00:17:02.270 --> 00:17:04.140
  • AND, UH, HE CAME UP WITH THE
  • 00:17:04.140 --> 00:17:06.120
  • - DAVID: WELL, THAT'S...SOME
  • 00:17:12.050 --> 00:17:13.010
  • INTERESTING RESPONSES.
  • 00:17:13.010 --> 00:17:14.050
  • AND IT RANGED FROM ONE END OF
  • 00:17:14.050 --> 00:17:15.090
  • THE SPECTRUM TO THE OTHER.
  • 00:17:15.090 --> 00:17:16.070
  • MOST PEOPLE KNEW WHO HE WAS AND
  • 00:17:16.070 --> 00:17:18.120
  • BASICS, LIKE EVOLUTION.
  • 00:17:18.120 --> 00:17:20.190
  • AND THEN, SOME HAD MORE DETAIL.
  • 00:17:21.290 --> 00:17:24.290
  • MANY RECOGNIZED THE FINCHES,
  • 00:17:24.290 --> 00:17:27.170
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:17:27.170 --> 00:17:28.030
  • - DR. JEANSON: MM-HMM.
  • 00:17:28.030 --> 00:17:28.210
  • - DAVID: DARWIN'S FAMOUS
  • 00:17:28.210 --> 00:17:29.100
  • FINCHES IN THE GALAPAGOS.
  • 00:17:29.100 --> 00:17:29.290
  • AND, THEN-- THEN SOME ACTUALLY
  • 00:17:29.290 --> 00:17:31.100
  • RECOGNIZED THE UNIVERSAL
  • 00:17:31.100 --> 00:17:34.100
  • COMMON-DESCENT COMPONENT OF
  • 00:17:34.100 --> 00:17:35.280
  • CHARLES DARWIN'S THEORIES OF
  • 00:17:35.280 --> 00:17:37.030
  • EVOLUTION.
  • 00:17:37.030 --> 00:17:39.010
  • BUT, IF YOU NOTICE, ONE OF THE
  • 00:17:39.010 --> 00:17:41.220
  • MEN ON THE STREET, THERE -- HE
  • 00:17:41.220 --> 00:17:43.190
  • ACTUALLY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:17:43.190 --> 00:17:45.070
  • HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN GOD.
  • 00:17:45.070 --> 00:17:46.110
  • AND YET, IN THE CLOSING
  • 00:17:46.110 --> 00:17:48.140
  • COMMENTS OF HIS BOOK
  • 00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:49.130
  • "ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES," HE
  • 00:17:49.130 --> 00:17:50.090
  • SAID, YOU KNOW, WE FIND THAT
  • 00:17:50.090 --> 00:17:52.260
  • THESE THINGS FROM A FEW FORMS
  • 00:17:53.040 --> 00:17:56.040
  • OR INTO ONE WERE CREATED
  • 00:17:56.040 --> 00:17:57.070
  • BY A CREATOR.
  • 00:17:57.070 --> 00:17:58.220
  • AND...DID HE BELIEVE THAT?
  • 00:17:59.120 --> 00:18:02.140
  • CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT
  • 00:18:02.140 --> 00:18:03.290
  • FOR A SECOND?
  • 00:18:03.290 --> 00:18:04.120
  • BECAUSE HE USED THE WORD "BY
  • 00:18:04.120 --> 00:18:05.160
  • A CREATOR"
  • 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:06.150
  • IN THE CLOSING COMMENTS OF
  • 00:18:06.150 --> 00:18:07.110
  • HIS BOOK...ONLY IN CERTAIN
  • 00:18:07.110 --> 00:18:08.100
  • EDITIONS.
  • 00:18:08.100 --> 00:18:09.190
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND HE GREW UP,
  • 00:18:09.190 --> 00:18:11.070
  • ORIGINALLY INTENDING TO BE A
  • 00:18:11.070 --> 00:18:12.100
  • CLERGYMAN...
  • 00:18:12.100 --> 00:18:13.080
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:18:13.080 --> 00:18:13.260
  • - DR. JEANSON: ...EVENTUALLY
  • 00:18:13.260 --> 00:18:14.170
  • REJECTED THAT TO BE A
  • 00:18:14.170 --> 00:18:15.290
  • NATURALIST AND THEN WORK ON
  • 00:18:15.290 --> 00:18:16.200
  • GEOLOGY AND BIOLOGY AND SO
  • 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:18.040
  • FORTH...
  • 00:18:18.040 --> 00:18:18.250
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:18:18.250 --> 00:18:21.140
  • - DR. JEANSON: ...AND, I
  • 00:18:21.140 --> 00:18:22.090
  • THINK, HAD A WIFE WHO...HAD A
  • 00:18:22.090 --> 00:18:23.170
  • CHRISTIAN BACKGROUND, SO THERE
  • 00:18:23.170 --> 00:18:24.280
  • WAS FAMILIAL TENSION...IN HIS
  • 00:18:25.080 --> 00:18:28.080
  • PROPOSAL OF...THESE IDEAS.
  • 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.000
  • IN HIS WRITINGS, HE WOULD TALK
  • 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:32.280
  • ABOUT THINGS THAT SEEMED
  • 00:18:32.280 --> 00:18:34.190
  • INCONSISTENT WITH DESIGN.
  • 00:18:34.190 --> 00:18:36.020
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:18:36.020 --> 00:18:36.170
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND SO,
  • 00:18:36.170 --> 00:18:38.120
  • EVOLUTION EFFECTIVELY BECOMES A
  • 00:18:38.120 --> 00:18:39.180
  • REPLACEMENT FOR DESIGN.
  • 00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:41.160
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.240
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND, IF YOU
  • 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:44.140
  • LOOK AT WHAT ATHEISTS WRITE,
  • 00:18:44.140 --> 00:18:45.040
  • THIS IS THE FOUNDATION FOR
  • 00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:45.230
  • THEIR VIEWS TODAY.
  • 00:18:45.230 --> 00:18:46.110
  • SO, WHATEVER HE PERSONALLY
  • 00:18:46.110 --> 00:18:47.030
  • BELIEVED -- AND I DON'T KNOW
  • 00:18:47.030 --> 00:18:48.150
  • THAT ANYONE CAN REALLY GET INTO
  • 00:18:48.150 --> 00:18:50.150
  • HIS HEAD...
  • 00:18:50.150 --> 00:18:51.040
  • WE'RE RELYING ON WHAT
  • 00:18:51.040 --> 00:18:51.220
  • HE'S PUBLISHED, AND
  • 00:18:51.220 --> 00:18:53.000
  • WHAT HE CHOSE TO SHARE AND WHAT
  • 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:54.050
  • HE CHOSE NOT TO SHARE.
  • 00:18:54.050 --> 00:18:55.070
  • BUT, IT IS THE FOUNDATION FOR
  • 00:18:55.070 --> 00:18:56.290
  • AN ATHEISTIC, MATERIALISTIC
  • 00:18:56.290 --> 00:18:58.160
  • WORLDVIEW.
  • 00:18:58.160 --> 00:18:59.260
  • AND SOMETHING THAT SURPRISED ME
  • 00:18:59.260 --> 00:19:01.150
  • AND I THINK EXPLAINS...SOME OF
  • 00:19:01.150 --> 00:19:02.250
  • THE VISCERAL NATURE OF THE
  • 00:19:03.010 --> 00:19:06.010
  • REACTION THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU
  • 00:19:07.060 --> 00:19:10.060
  • BRING UP THIS TOPIC, ESPECIALLY
  • 00:19:10.060 --> 00:19:10.290
  • IF YOU GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO
  • 00:19:10.290 --> 00:19:12.070
  • PEOPLE WHO ARE ENTRENCHED IN
  • 00:19:12.070 --> 00:19:13.250
  • SCIENCE AND WHOSE CAREER
  • 00:19:13.250 --> 00:19:15.290
  • DEPENDS UPON THIS BEING RIGHT.
  • 00:19:15.290 --> 00:19:17.190
  • - DAVID: WELL--
  • 00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:19.260
  • - DR. JEANSON: THERE'S A
  • 00:19:19.260 --> 00:19:20.190
  • MASSIVE...REJECTION OF ANYTHING
  • 00:19:20.190 --> 00:19:22.170
  • CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:19:22.170 --> 00:19:23.030
  • THE SAME SURVEY SAID: SO,
  • 00:19:23.030 --> 00:19:23.280
  • 90 PERCENT OF SCIENTISTS ACCEPT
  • 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:24.200
  • EVOLUTION; AT LEAST TWO-THIRDS
  • 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:26.020
  • CANNOT POSITIVELY AFFIRM BELIEF
  • 00:19:26.020 --> 00:19:27.240
  • IN GOD, WHICH IS, AGAIN, VERY
  • 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.060
  • DIFFERENT FROM THE
  • 00:19:30.060 --> 00:19:31.100
  • GENERAL POPULACE.
  • 00:19:31.100 --> 00:19:33.180
  • THIS IS A COMMUNITY FOR WHOM
  • 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:34.160
  • YOU HAVE TO SAY -- AT LEAST,
  • 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:35.240
  • STATISTICALLY -- THERE'S GONNA
  • 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:37.060
  • BE A SPIRITUAL REACTION TO
  • 00:19:37.060 --> 00:19:39.130
  • THIS, AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY...
  • 00:19:39.130 --> 00:19:41.110
  • MAYBE THERE'S A GOD.
  • 00:19:41.110 --> 00:19:41.270
  • SOME SAY NO GOD.
  • 00:19:41.270 --> 00:19:43.080
  • SOME SAY: I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:19:43.080 --> 00:19:44.270
  • BUT, A SMALL MINORITY ARE GONNA
  • 00:19:44.270 --> 00:19:45.290
  • BE MAYBE IN THE
  • 00:19:45.290 --> 00:19:46.160
  • CAMP OF CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:50.040
  • - DAVID: BUT THIS GREAT
  • 00:19:50.040 --> 00:19:51.020
  • SCIENTIST -- CHARLES DARWIN,
  • 00:19:51.020 --> 00:19:51.220
  • RIGHT? -- NOW, DID HE HAVE A
  • 00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:52.120
  • DEGREE IN SCIENCE?
  • 00:19:52.120 --> 00:19:52.270
  • - DR. JEANSON: I THINK
  • 00:19:52.270 --> 00:19:53.150
  • HE...DID SOME
  • 00:19:53.150 --> 00:19:53.290
  • SORT OF STUDIES.
  • 00:19:53.290 --> 00:19:54.220
  • HE'S NOT A PHD,
  • 00:19:54.220 --> 00:19:55.260
  • WHICH IS ANOTHER--
  • 00:19:55.260 --> 00:19:56.110
  • - DAVID: BUT NOT A PHD.
  • 00:19:56.110 --> 00:19:59.080
  • - DR. JEANSON: --ANOTHER
  • 00:19:59.080 --> 00:20:00.030
  • COMMON...
  • 00:20:00.030 --> 00:20:00.240
  • - DAVID: BUT HE...HE USED THE
  • 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:01.150
  • WORDS "CREATOR" IN CERTAIN
  • 00:20:01.150 --> 00:20:02.040
  • EDITIONS OF HIS BOOK.
  • 00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:02.220
  • AND YET, LATER, HE...ADMITTED
  • 00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:03.150
  • IN A LETTER.
  • 00:20:03.150 --> 00:20:04.170
  • HE SAID: "...I HAVE LONG
  • 00:20:04.170 --> 00:20:06.080
  • REGRETTED THAT I TRUCKLED TO
  • 00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:07.080
  • PUBLIC OPINION AND USED THIS
  • 00:20:07.080 --> 00:20:07.280
  • PENTATEUCHAL TERM OF
  • 00:20:07.280 --> 00:20:10.160
  • CREATOR, BY WHICH I REALLY
  • 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:11.180
  • MEANT 'APPEARED' BY SOME WHOLLY
  • 00:20:11.180 --> 00:20:13.020
  • UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCE."
  • 00:20:13.020 --> 00:20:15.170
  • BASICALLY, HE'S ADMITTING THAT
  • 00:20:15.170 --> 00:20:16.120
  • HE USED THE WORDS "BY THE
  • 00:20:16.120 --> 00:20:18.200
  • CREATOR" TO SELL MORE BOOKS, TO
  • 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:21.010
  • TRY TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE
  • 00:20:21.010 --> 00:20:22.210
  • FOR PEOPLE TO BELIEVE IN HIS
  • 00:20:22.210 --> 00:20:23.120
  • THEORIES.
  • 00:20:23.120 --> 00:20:23.280
  • I MEAN, IS THAT THIS KIND OF
  • 00:20:23.280 --> 00:20:25.030
  • PERSON THAT WE SHOULD REALLY BE
  • 00:20:25.030 --> 00:20:25.250
  • LOOKING UP TO?
  • 00:20:25.250 --> 00:20:27.060
  • - DR. JEANSON: IN ONE SENSE, I
  • 00:20:27.060 --> 00:20:29.240
  • THINK WE SEE IT PLAYED OUT
  • 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:30.180
  • AGAIN AND AGAIN TODAY.
  • 00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:31.140
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:31.290
  • - DR. JEANSON: I WAS-- AGAIN,
  • 00:20:31.290 --> 00:20:32.250
  • I WAS SURPRISED THAT TWO-THIRDS
  • 00:20:32.250 --> 00:20:33.220
  • OF SCIENTISTS YOU CAN'T EVEN
  • 00:20:33.220 --> 00:20:35.290
  • CALL THEISTS.
  • 00:20:35.290 --> 00:20:37.120
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:20:37.120 --> 00:20:38.170
  • - DR. JEANSON: BECAUSE THAT'S
  • 00:20:38.170 --> 00:20:39.080
  • NOT WHAT'S PROJECTED...TO THE
  • 00:20:39.080 --> 00:20:40.060
  • PUBLIC.
  • 00:20:40.060 --> 00:20:41.220
  • AND I THINK MOST OF THE PUBLIC
  • 00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:42.130
  • WOULD BE RATHER SHOCKED AND
  • 00:20:42.130 --> 00:20:43.120
  • DISTURBED TO FIND OUT THAT THE
  • 00:20:43.120 --> 00:20:44.250
  • PEOPLE CONTROLLING CANCER
  • 00:20:44.250 --> 00:20:45.230
  • RESEARCH, HEART-DISEASE
  • 00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:48.230
  • RESEARCH, AND EVERYTHING
  • 00:20:48.230 --> 00:20:49.180
  • ELSE...
  • 00:20:49.180 --> 00:20:50.020
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:20:50.020 --> 00:20:50.190
  • - DR. JEANSON: ...'CAUSE IT'S
  • 00:20:50.190 --> 00:20:51.100
  • NOT A SURVEY OF...THOSE
  • 00:20:51.100 --> 00:20:51.280
  • EVOLUTIONISTS.
  • 00:20:51.280 --> 00:20:53.240
  • IT'S JUST MEMBERS OF THE
  • 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:54.250
  • AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR THE
  • 00:20:54.250 --> 00:20:55.180
  • ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE.
  • 00:20:55.180 --> 00:20:56.130
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:20:56.130 --> 00:20:57.110
  • - DR. JEANSON: PROFESSIONAL
  • 00:20:57.110 --> 00:20:58.060
  • SCIENTISTS.
  • 00:20:58.060 --> 00:20:58.210
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:20:58.210 --> 00:20:59.120
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND, BY AND
  • 00:20:59.120 --> 00:21:00.090
  • LARGE, THESE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA
  • 00:21:00.090 --> 00:21:01.130
  • HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH,
  • 00:21:01.130 --> 00:21:02.030
  • PERSONALLY, ANYTHING THEISTIC.
  • 00:21:02.030 --> 00:21:03.050
  • - DAVID: YOU BROUGHT A GRAPH
  • 00:21:03.050 --> 00:21:05.070
  • FROM A PAPER.
  • 00:21:05.070 --> 00:21:07.260
  • IF WE COULD PULL THAT UP AND
  • 00:21:07.260 --> 00:21:08.270
  • REFERENCE THAT, IT REALLY SHOWS
  • 00:21:08.270 --> 00:21:10.250
  • THE STARK CONTRAST IN THE
  • 00:21:10.250 --> 00:21:13.160
  • SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY,
  • 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:15.160
  • ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE PHDS
  • 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.070
  • IN A SCIENTIFIC FIELD.
  • 00:21:17.070 --> 00:21:18.090
  • UM...TELL ME WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
  • 00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:21.100
  • AT HERE.
  • 00:21:21.100 --> 00:21:21.250
  • - DR. JEANSON: SO, THIS IS
  • 00:21:21.250 --> 00:21:23.020
  • SURVEYS OF -- AND THEY'RE ON THE
  • 00:21:23.020 --> 00:21:24.120
  • FAR RIGHT, HERE, FOR ME -- THE
  • 00:21:24.120 --> 00:21:25.150
  • U.S. ADULTS...
  • 00:21:26.260 --> 00:21:29.260
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:21:29.260 --> 00:21:30.110
  • - DR. JEANSON: ...JUST THE
  • 00:21:30.110 --> 00:21:31.010
  • GENERAL POPULACE.
  • 00:21:31.010 --> 00:21:31.160
  • AND THEN, THE OTHER THREE
  • 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:32.250
  • COLUMNS HERE ARE AAAS
  • 00:21:32.250 --> 00:21:35.090
  • MEMBERS -- SO, THE AMERICAN
  • 00:21:35.090 --> 00:21:35.290
  • ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT
  • 00:21:35.290 --> 00:21:36.210
  • OF SCIENCE, THE MAIN
  • 00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:37.170
  • PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIFIC BODY IN
  • 00:21:37.170 --> 00:21:38.290
  • THE UNITED STATES.
  • 00:21:38.290 --> 00:21:40.010
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:21:40.010 --> 00:21:40.210
  • - DR. JEANSON: THIS IS A
  • 00:21:40.210 --> 00:21:41.160
  • SURVEY QUESTION THAT'S BEEN
  • 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:42.160
  • DONE FOR MANY YEARS.
  • 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:43.040
  • WHAT'S THE ORIGIN OF HUMANS?
  • 00:21:43.040 --> 00:21:44.080
  • AND THEY GIVE YOU...BASICALLY,
  • 00:21:44.080 --> 00:21:46.010
  • THREE OPTIONS WITH AN "I DON'T
  • 00:21:46.010 --> 00:21:48.200
  • KNOW" ANSWER, AS WELL, THROWN
  • 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.170
  • IN FOR THE MIX.
  • 00:21:50.170 --> 00:21:51.260
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:51.260 --> 00:21:52.100
  • - DR. JEANSON: SO: HAVE WE
  • 00:21:52.100 --> 00:21:53.000
  • EVOLVED?
  • 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:53.150
  • AND YOU CAN SAY DUE TO NATURAL
  • 00:21:53.150 --> 00:21:54.060
  • PROCESSES.
  • 00:21:54.060 --> 00:21:55.050
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:21:55.050 --> 00:21:55.200
  • - DR. JEANSON: SO, NO DIVINE
  • 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:56.110
  • PARTICIPATION.
  • 00:21:56.110 --> 00:21:56.240
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:57.080
  • - DR. JEANSON: YOU CAN SAY
  • 00:21:57.080 --> 00:21:58.130
  • IT'S GUIDED BY A SUPREME BEING.
  • 00:21:58.130 --> 00:21:59.180
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:21:59.180 --> 00:22:00.180
  • - DR. JEANSON: SORT OF A
  • 00:22:00.180 --> 00:22:01.170
  • THEISTIC EVOLUTIONARY VIEW.
  • 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:02.230
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:22:02.230 --> 00:22:03.210
  • - DR. JEANSON: GOD GUIDES
  • 00:22:03.210 --> 00:22:04.240
  • EVOLUTION.
  • 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:05.110
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:22:05.110 --> 00:22:06.150
  • - DR. JEANSON: THEN, THERE'S
  • 00:22:06.150 --> 00:22:07.230
  • THE EVOLVED, BUT, I DON'T
  • 00:22:07.230 --> 00:22:08.120
  • KNOW...
  • 00:22:08.120 --> 00:22:08.220
  • - DAVID: YES.
  • 00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:09.090
  • - DR. JEANSON: ...SORT OF AS
  • 00:22:09.090 --> 00:22:10.000
  • THE LAST ROW DOWN THERE, NO
  • 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:11.180
  • ANSWER.
  • 00:22:11.180 --> 00:22:12.000
  • - DAVID: NO ANSWER, YEAH.
  • 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:12.190
  • - DR. JEANSON: BUT THEN, THE
  • 00:22:12.190 --> 00:22:13.170
  • CREATIONIST ONE -- OR, AT
  • 00:22:13.170 --> 00:22:14.150
  • LEAST, WHAT'S TYPICALLY CALLED
  • 00:22:14.150 --> 00:22:15.150
  • THE CREATIONIST ANSWER, IS THE
  • 00:22:15.150 --> 00:22:16.140
  • EXPLANATION: HUMANS HAVE
  • 00:22:16.140 --> 00:22:17.140
  • EXISTED IN THEIR PRESENT FORM
  • 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:18.270
  • SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.
  • 00:22:18.270 --> 00:22:20.040
  • - DAVID: IN OTHER WORDS, IN
  • 00:22:20.040 --> 00:22:21.180
  • THE BEGINNING, GOD CREATED...
  • 00:22:21.180 --> 00:22:22.200
  • - DR. JEANSON: YEAH.
  • 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:23.160
  • - DAVID: ...DIFFERENT KINDS,
  • 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:24.090
  • BASIC FAMILY GROUPS OF ANIMALS,
  • 00:22:24.090 --> 00:22:26.160
  • INCLUDING HUMANS -- NOT
  • 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.120
  • INCLUDING HUMANS AS AN ANIMAL.
  • 00:22:28.120 --> 00:22:29.260
  • BUT, ALSO, HE CREATED HUMANS
  • 00:22:29.260 --> 00:22:31.220
  • SPECIFICALLY AND THAT THEY'VE
  • 00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:33.250
  • EXISTED PRETTY MUCH THE
  • 00:22:33.250 --> 00:22:35.050
  • SAME SINCE THE BEGINNING --
  • 00:22:35.050 --> 00:22:36.230
  • ADAPTATIONS, MUTATIONS,
  • 00:22:36.230 --> 00:22:38.120
  • THINGS LIKE THAT.
  • 00:22:38.120 --> 00:22:39.030
  • - DR. JEANSON: NOT EVOLVED
  • 00:22:39.030 --> 00:22:40.060
  • FROM PRIMATES.
  • 00:22:40.060 --> 00:22:40.200
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:41.290
  • - DR. JEANSON: SO, A THIRD OF
  • 00:22:41.290 --> 00:22:42.270
  • U.S. ADULTS STILL HOLD TO THAT.
  • 00:22:42.270 --> 00:22:43.290
  • AND ONLY A THIRD HOLD TO THIS
  • 00:22:43.290 --> 00:22:45.000
  • "HUMANS EVOLVED BY NATURAL
  • 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:46.120
  • PROCESSES."
  • 00:22:46.120 --> 00:22:47.090
  • AND YOU CAN SEE 91 PERCENT OF
  • 00:22:47.090 --> 00:22:49.090
  • PHD SCIENTISTS HOLD TO THAT; 90
  • 00:22:49.090 --> 00:22:50.160
  • PERCENT OF THE AAAS MEMBERS
  • 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.050
  • HOLD TO THAT.
  • 00:22:52.050 --> 00:22:53.240
  • IT'S THAT GIGANTIC DISCONNECT
  • 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.000
  • THAT CAUSES, UH, MUCH GNASHING
  • 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.110
  • OF TEETH.
  • 00:22:58.110 --> 00:22:58.280
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:22:58.280 --> 00:22:59.220
  • - DR. JEANSON: WHY CAN'T WE DO
  • 00:22:59.220 --> 00:23:00.160
  • A BETTER JOB CONVINCING THE
  • 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:01.060
  • GENERAL PUBLIC THAT EVOLUTION'S
  • 00:23:01.060 --> 00:23:01.290
  • TRUE...
  • 00:23:01.290 --> 00:23:02.150
  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
  • 00:23:02.150 --> 00:23:03.180
  • - DR. JEANSON: ...WHEN SO MANY
  • 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:04.100
  • OF US--
  • 00:23:04.100 --> 00:23:04.210
  • THERE'S THE CONSENSUS THAT'S
  • 00:23:04.210 --> 00:23:05.110
  • ALWAYS REFERRED TO.
  • 00:23:05.110 --> 00:23:05.290
  • ALL THESE SMART PEOPLE.
  • 00:23:05.290 --> 00:23:07.160
  • HOW COULD ALL THESE SMART
  • 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:08.160
  • PEOPLE BE WRONG?
  • 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:09.080
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:23:09.080 --> 00:23:10.000
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND THE SAME
  • 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:10.200
  • QUESTION APPLIES BACK TO 1859,
  • 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.170
  • DARWIN'S PEERS.
  • 00:23:11.170 --> 00:23:12.090
  • - DAVID: OKAY. BUT THAT'S
  • 00:23:12.090 --> 00:23:13.150
  • INTIMIDATING FOR THE AVERAGE
  • 00:23:13.150 --> 00:23:14.050
  • U.S. ADULT TO KNOW, TO REALIZE
  • 00:23:14.050 --> 00:23:16.040
  • THAT THOSE APPARENTLY MUCH MORE
  • 00:23:17.220 --> 00:23:20.220
  • BRILLIANT THAN THEY ON
  • 00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:22.010
  • SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES MUST HAVE
  • 00:23:22.010 --> 00:23:24.100
  • MORE INFORMATION.
  • 00:23:24.100 --> 00:23:26.150
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:23:26.150 --> 00:23:27.130
  • - DR. JEANSON: AND, WHAT I
  • 00:23:27.130 --> 00:23:28.270
  • NOTICED IN THE "MAN ON THE
  • 00:23:28.270 --> 00:23:30.120
  • STREET" INTERVIEWS IS THAT NOT
  • 00:23:30.120 --> 00:23:31.080
  • ONE PERSON MENTIONED, "HE'S
  • 00:23:31.080 --> 00:23:32.100
  • THAT GUY WHO CHALLENGED THE
  • 00:23:32.100 --> 00:23:33.150
  • CONSENSUS BUT SOMEHOW WAS
  • 00:23:33.150 --> 00:23:34.220
  • SUCCESSFUL DESPITE IT."
  • 00:23:34.220 --> 00:23:35.230
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:23:35.230 --> 00:23:36.060
  • - DAVID: I LIKE THAT.
  • 00:23:36.060 --> 00:23:36.230
  • - DR. JEANSON: BECAUSE THAT'S
  • 00:23:36.230 --> 00:23:37.140
  • NOT TAUGHT!
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  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:23:37.260 --> 00:23:38.100
  • - DR. JEANSON: THAT WOULD
  • 00:23:38.100 --> 00:23:38.290
  • CONTRADICT ONE OF THE MAIN
  • 00:23:38.290 --> 00:23:39.180
  • TOOLS, ONE OF THE MAIN CLUBS BY
  • 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:41.070
  • WHICH TO BEAT CREATIONISTS
  • 00:23:41.070 --> 00:23:42.120
  • DOWN, INTIMIDATE PEOPLE.
  • 00:23:42.120 --> 00:23:43.180
  • THOSE NUMBERS ARE DISTRESSING.
  • 00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:47.100
  • IF YOU LAY IN BED AT NIGHT
  • 00:23:47.100 --> 00:23:48.020
  • AND SAY,
  • 00:23:48.020 --> 00:23:49.020
  • HOW COULD ALL THOSE
  • 00:23:49.020 --> 00:23:50.010
  • PEOPLE BE WRONG?
  • 00:23:50.010 --> 00:23:50.150
  • NINE OUT OF TEN.
  • 00:23:50.150 --> 00:23:50.290
  • HOW COULD THEY BE WRONG?
  • 00:23:50.290 --> 00:23:52.010
  • AND, THAT'S WHAT THE MAINSTREAM
  • 00:23:52.010 --> 00:23:53.170
  • COMMUNITY WANTS YOU TO THINK.
  • 00:23:53.170 --> 00:23:55.210
  • AND THEY PROBABLY DO NOT WANT
  • 00:23:55.210 --> 00:23:56.230
  • YOU TO REALIZE THAT THOSE SAME
  • 00:23:56.230 --> 00:23:57.240
  • TYPES OF NUMBERS WOULD APPLY IN
  • 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.030
  • DARWIN'S DAY AND COMPLETELY
  • 00:23:59.030 --> 00:24:00.040
  • UNDERMINE THEIR LOGIC IF PEOPLE
  • 00:24:00.040 --> 00:24:01.080
  • KNEW THAT.
  • 00:24:01.080 --> 00:24:02.180
  • - DAVID: IN A NUTSHELL, IN
  • 00:24:02.180 --> 00:24:04.030
  • ABOUT A MINUTE, TELL ME HOW WE
  • 00:24:04.030 --> 00:24:05.290
  • CAN USE THESE SAME PRINCIPLES
  • 00:24:05.290 --> 00:24:08.190
  • THAT WERE PRESENT IN DARWIN'S
  • 00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:11.020
  • DAY TO CHALLENGE THE CONSENSUS?
  • 00:24:11.020 --> 00:24:11.280
  • - DR. JEANSON: I'D SAY, FIRST
  • 00:24:11.280 --> 00:24:14.050
  • OF ALL, RECOGNIZE IT'S NOT A
  • 00:24:14.050 --> 00:24:15.010
  • LOGICAL ARGUMENT.
  • 00:24:15.010 --> 00:24:15.250
  • IF WE'RE GONNA SAY CONSENSUS
  • 00:24:15.250 --> 00:24:16.200
  • DETERMINED TRUTH, THEN WE CAN
  • 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.020
  • GET RID OF EVOLUTION FROM THE
  • 00:24:18.020 --> 00:24:19.050
  • START.
  • 00:24:19.050 --> 00:24:19.240
  • WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVING A
  • 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:20.200
  • DISCUSSION ANYMORE BECAUSE IT
  • 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:21.150
  • UNDERMINES ITSELF.
  • 00:24:21.150 --> 00:24:22.190
  • AND, SECONDLY, I'D SAY...
  • 00:24:22.190 --> 00:24:24.280
  • BECAUSE THERE'S THIS HISTORICAL
  • 00:24:24.280 --> 00:24:26.120
  • PRECEDENT, THERE'S NO REASON TO
  • 00:24:26.120 --> 00:24:27.130
  • BE INTIMIDATED BY THIS.
  • 00:24:27.130 --> 00:24:28.230
  • REVOLUTIONS ARE A REGULAR
  • 00:24:28.230 --> 00:24:30.010
  • FEATURE OF SCIENCE.
  • 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.000
  • THEY JUST HAPPEN OVER
  • 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:35.170
  • TIMESCALES THAT ARE NOT
  • 00:24:35.170 --> 00:24:36.100
  • NECESSARILY AS SHORT AS A
  • 00:24:36.100 --> 00:24:37.010
  • HUMAN LIFESPAN.
  • 00:24:37.010 --> 00:24:37.190
  • AND SO, WE GET LULLED INTO
  • 00:24:37.190 --> 00:24:38.150
  • THINKING SCIENCE IS ESTABLISHED
  • 00:24:38.150 --> 00:24:39.170
  • FACT, IT NEVER CHANGES, WHEN,
  • 00:24:39.170 --> 00:24:42.000
  • IN FACT, IT...COMPLETELY
  • 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:42.180
  • REVERSES ITSELF OVER TIME.
  • 00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:43.100
  • AND, WE SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED
  • 00:24:43.100 --> 00:24:46.010
  • IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN.
  • 00:24:46.010 --> 00:24:47.070
  • THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICS AND
  • 00:24:47.070 --> 00:24:48.030
  • MONEY BEHIND WHAT'S GOING ON,
  • 00:24:48.030 --> 00:24:49.070
  • NOW.
  • 00:24:49.070 --> 00:24:50.010
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:24:50.010 --> 00:24:50.150
  • - DR. JEANSON: BUT, A
  • 00:24:50.150 --> 00:24:51.130
  • REVOLUTION CAN HAPPEN TOMORROW
  • 00:24:51.130 --> 00:24:52.250
  • AND THIS WOULD NOT BE ANYTHING
  • 00:24:52.250 --> 00:24:53.180
  • TREMENDOUSLY NEW.
  • 00:24:53.180 --> 00:24:56.030
  • - DAVID: WHICH SEGUES TO OUR
  • 00:24:56.030 --> 00:24:56.240
  • LAST SEGMENT.
  • 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:57.110
  • UM...SOMETIMES OUR VIEWERS HAVE
  • 00:24:57.110 --> 00:24:58.190
  • QUESTIONS.
  • 00:24:58.190 --> 00:25:00.060
  • WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TACKLE
  • 00:25:00.060 --> 00:25:00.270
  • ONE OF THOSE HERE?
  • 00:25:00.270 --> 00:25:01.250
  • - DR. JEANSON: SURE.
  • 00:25:01.250 --> 00:25:02.120
  • - DAVID: LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
  • 00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:03.230
  • [MUSIC INTERLUDE]
  • 00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:05.280
  • - MALE ON CAMERA: I HAVE A
  • 00:25:05.280 --> 00:25:07.140
  • QUESTION: WHY DID DARWIN'S
  • 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:08.170
  • THEORY BECOME SO POPULAR SO
  • 00:25:08.170 --> 00:25:09.140
  • FAST?
  • 00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:10.120
  • [MUSIC INTERLUDE]
  • 00:25:10.120 --> 00:25:12.130
  • - DAVID: AND, EVEN IN ADDITION
  • 00:25:12.130 --> 00:25:13.250
  • TO THAT, HOW CAN WE REPLICATE
  • 00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:14.160
  • THAT?
  • 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.130
  • - DR. JEANSON: YES.
  • 00:25:17.130 --> 00:25:18.010
  • SO, I THINK HE LAID THE
  • 00:25:18.010 --> 00:25:19.160
  • TEMPLATE.
  • 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:20.020
  • LET'S LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
  • 00:25:20.020 --> 00:25:21.040
  • UH, HE DIDN'T APPEAL TO
  • 00:25:21.040 --> 00:25:22.100
  • CONSPIRACY OR ANYTHING LIKE
  • 00:25:22.100 --> 00:25:23.230
  • THAT.
  • 00:25:23.230 --> 00:25:24.230
  • HE SAYS: I KNOW I'M UP AGAINST
  • 00:25:24.230 --> 00:25:25.220
  • A BIG OPPOSITION.
  • 00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:26.190
  • LET'S LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
  • 00:25:26.190 --> 00:25:27.220
  • LET'S REALIZE IT'S GONNA TAKE
  • 00:25:27.220 --> 00:25:29.000
  • TIME, SO DON'T DEMAND THAT
  • 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:30.220
  • THINGS CHANGE OVERNIGHT.
  • 00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:33.010
  • AND, IN FACT, IT TOOK HIM AT
  • 00:25:33.010 --> 00:25:34.050
  • LEAST 10 YEARS.
  • 00:25:34.050 --> 00:25:35.130
  • SO, IN THE 1869 EDITION OF HIS
  • 00:25:35.130 --> 00:25:36.210
  • BOOK, THAT SENTENCE ABOUT
  • 00:25:36.210 --> 00:25:38.000
  • EVERYONE BEING IN OPPOSITION,
  • 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:39.100
  • HE SAYS, WELL, "UNTIL RECENTLY"
  • 00:25:39.100 --> 00:25:40.190
  • WAS EVERYONE IN OPPOSITION.
  • 00:25:40.190 --> 00:25:41.130
  • - DAVID: OH...
  • 00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:42.150
  • - DR. JEANSON: SO, HE CHANGED
  • 00:25:42.150 --> 00:25:43.060
  • THE CONSENSUS.
  • 00:25:43.060 --> 00:25:43.190
  • HE APPEALED TO THE YOUTH.
  • 00:25:43.190 --> 00:25:44.250
  • THOSE ARE ALL JUST AS MUCH AT
  • 00:25:44.250 --> 00:25:46.080
  • PLAY TODAY AS THEY WERE BACK
  • 00:25:46.080 --> 00:25:47.030
  • THEN.
  • 00:25:47.030 --> 00:25:48.190
  • UH, WHAT HE HAD TO HIS
  • 00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:50.130
  • ADVANTAGE, THOUGH, WAS HE WAS
  • 00:25:50.130 --> 00:25:52.010
  • NOT ARGUING FOR A THEISTIC
  • 00:25:52.010 --> 00:25:54.030
  • POSITION, WHEREAS, TODAY,
  • 00:25:54.030 --> 00:25:54.220
  • CREATIONISTS ARE ARGUING
  • 00:25:54.220 --> 00:25:56.010
  • AGAINST A COMMUNITY, THE VAST
  • 00:25:56.010 --> 00:25:57.050
  • MAJORITY OF WHICH HAVE
  • 00:25:57.050 --> 00:25:58.180
  • EXPLICITLY RELIGIOUSLY REJECTED
  • 00:25:58.180 --> 00:26:00.130
  • A THEISTIC VIEW.
  • 00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:02.020
  • AND SO, IT'S A SPIRITUAL
  • 00:26:02.020 --> 00:26:02.210
  • BATTLE.
  • 00:26:02.210 --> 00:26:03.120
  • THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS NEED TO
  • 00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:04.040
  • RECOGNIZE, AS WELL.
  • 00:26:04.040 --> 00:26:05.010
  • - DAVID: THAT'S THE BOTTOM
  • 00:26:05.010 --> 00:26:05.240
  • LINE.
  • 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:06.080
  • THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
  • 00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:07.030
  • HERE AND FOR SHARING THIS
  • 00:26:07.030 --> 00:26:08.100
  • INFORMATION.
  • 00:26:08.100 --> 00:26:08.230
  • - DR. JEANSON: THANK YOU.
  • 00:26:08.230 --> 00:26:09.180
  • - DAVID: WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE
  • 00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:10.100
  • YOU BACK ON A FUTURE PROGRAM.
  • 00:26:10.100 --> 00:26:11.010
  • HOW DID DARWIN SUCCEED?
  • 00:26:11.010 --> 00:26:13.250
  • WELL, CHARLES DARWIN'S
  • 00:26:13.250 --> 00:26:15.220
  • ANTIQUATED IDEAS OF BIOLOGY MAY
  • 00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:17.190
  • HAVE MADE SENSE TO THE PEOPLE
  • 00:26:17.190 --> 00:26:19.120
  • OF HIS DAY, BUT, ALL OF THE NEW
  • 00:26:19.120 --> 00:26:21.110
  • ADVANCES IN SCIENCE I BELIEVE
  • 00:26:21.110 --> 00:26:23.010
  • ARE POINTING IN A NEW
  • 00:26:23.010 --> 00:26:24.070
  • DIRECTION, A DIRECTION OF
  • 00:26:24.070 --> 00:26:25.140
  • DESIGN AND COMPLEXITY.
  • 00:26:25.140 --> 00:26:27.180
  • THAT'S A DIRECTION BACK TO OUR
  • 00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:30.070
  • CREATOR, THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.
  • 00:26:30.070 --> 00:26:30.280
  • I WANT YOU TO BE SURE TO TELL
  • 00:26:30.280 --> 00:26:32.020
  • YOUR FRIENDS TO WATCH THE SHOW
  • 00:26:32.020 --> 00:26:33.280
  • EACH WEEK, RIGHT HERE ON TBN,
  • 00:26:33.280 --> 00:26:34.190
  • AND ALSO ON TBN.ORG.
  • 00:26:34.190 --> 00:26:35.070
  • JUST SEARCH FOR: CREATION IN
  • 00:26:35.070 --> 00:26:36.240
  • THE 21ST CENTURY WITH DAVID
  • 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.140
  • RIVES.
  • 00:26:38.130 --> 00:26:41.130
  • I CAN'T WAIT TO TACKLE ANOTHER
  • 00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:42.140
  • ISSUE NEXT WEEK.
  • 00:26:42.140 --> 00:26:43.120
  • SO, UNTIL THEN, I WANT YOU TO
  • 00:26:43.120 --> 00:26:44.110
  • KEEP LOOKING UP.
  • 00:26:44.110 --> 00:26:45.220
  • IT IS SO ENCOURAGING TO REALIZE
  • 00:26:45.220 --> 00:26:47.120
  • THAT WE HAVE SOLID FOUNDATION
  • 00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:49.070
  • FOR EVERYTHING WE BELIEVE.
  • 00:26:49.070 --> 00:26:51.200
  • I WANT YOU TO REALIZE THAT WE
  • 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.140
  • CAN CHANGE THE TIDE.
  • 00:26:53.140 --> 00:26:55.070
  • JUST LIKE CHARLES DARWIN
  • 00:26:55.070 --> 00:26:57.160
  • CHANGED THE TIDE WITH THIS WHAT
  • 00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:58.120
  • HAS BECOME AN ATHEISTIC
  • 00:26:58.260 --> 00:27:01.280
  • PRINCIPLE, WELL, WE CAN DO A
  • 00:27:01.280 --> 00:27:03.030
  • JOB FOR OUR CREATOR, FOR
  • 00:27:03.030 --> 00:27:05.030
  • CHRIST, AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS.
  • 00:27:06.040 --> 00:27:09.040
  • KEEP LOOKING UP.
  • 00:27:09.040 --> 00:27:09.240
  • I'M DAVID RIVES.
  • 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.100
  • TRULY, THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE
  • 00:27:11.100 --> 00:27:12.130
  • [DRAMATIC CLOSING THEME]
  • 00:27:20.180 --> 00:27:23.180