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When Faith Meets Grief

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October 27, 2019
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Your World with Creflo

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When Faith Meets Grief

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  • Creflo Dollar: Hello, and welcome to today's show.
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  • You are about to meet a remarkable lady of great faith
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  • whose faith has been tested in the most horrible way possible
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  • through the dramatic and senseless death of her son.
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  • Now, her son's funeral took place just a few short months
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  • ago on the day before Mother's Day.
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  • And despite her trust in the Lord, the grief and loss she
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  • feels has made her angry; very angry.
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  • She's here today to find answers.
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  • She wants to know why.
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  • Why did God let her son die?
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  • I invite you to join us as we help answer her question.
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  • I'm Creflo Dollar, and this is "Your World."
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  • Changing one life time after time.
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  • Oh Lord, we do it all for you.
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  • Through the trials I see,
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  • I'll always believe a new life starts with you.
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  • Change your world today.
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  • Change is going to come your way.
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  • Change where I'm standing.
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  • It's Christ who will change for you.
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  • Creflo: Ladies and gentlemen, please help me welcome
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  • Patricia Roberson to "Your World."
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  • Hello, how are you?
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  • Good to meet you.
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  • Thank you for being bold enough to come and share with us.
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  • We're going to make some good things happen today.
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  • Yes, ma'am. You can be seated.
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  • We really could do a series on trauma because I am becoming
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  • more and more convinced that this may be an unspoken or maybe
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  • not spoken enough, that a lot of issues in our society may be as
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  • a result of people not dealing with childhood trauma and how
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  • the consequences of not dealing with it shows up in adult life.
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  • Now, for you, you've gone through a lot of abuse, and
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  • there are lots of people that are watching this broadcast
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  • today that are going to be relate with you and they're
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  • going to find deliverance.
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  • They're going to find answers, and you and I are going to come
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  • together and preach a sermon together to hopefully help them
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  • as we are allowed to come into your world and share some of the
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  • things that you've gone through.
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  • And we believe that it's going to help a whole lot of people.
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  • So welcome to that couch.
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  • We're going to go to work and make some stuff happen.
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  • Amen?
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  • Why don't we start this way?
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  • Tell us about and the story behind your abuse in the past,
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  • and we'll gradually walk ourselves to the place of
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  • dealing with the traumatic experience you had with your
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  • son's death.
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  • Patricia Roberson: It's a lot.
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  • I know I'm loved by a lot of people.
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  • Inside I feel I was the victim, and from my mother's grave--she
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  • left me out of the will to show just how much she really thought
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  • about me.
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  • And whatever the circumstances to my birth, which I question
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  • that, wasn't my fault.
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  • I didn't feel the love from my mother.
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  • Maybe later in life got too much love from my father, probably
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  • the wrong kind of love where my siblings always said--
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  • Creflo: Okay, so what do you mean by the wrong kind of love?
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  • Patricia: Being molested.
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  • I've come to terms with that.
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  • My father's gone now.
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  • My mother's gone.
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  • You know, they did the best that they could.
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  • But as a mother myself, I protect my children and I don't
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  • know--again, family secrets that I don't know that were placed
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  • upon me.
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  • I used to cry and pray to God like, "God, please let my mother
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  • treat me like she treats her other kids."
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  • I'm grown.
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  • I have children of my own.
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  • I have a husband and I'm calling out to God as I'm driving to
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  • work asking this prayer.
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  • Creflo: So how does she treat your siblings versus yourself?
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  • Patricia: From what I saw, it was fine.
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  • I mean, she talked to them all the time.
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  • She was around them all the time.
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  • When I came around--even when I was married with my children,
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  • I'd come there and she said, "Oh, Patricia, do the dishes."
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  • I'm like, "But I didn't eat here."
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  • Creflo: Did you ever feel a connection between how you were
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  • being treated and the molestation?
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  • Were you ever blamed or told by any family member that this was
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  • your fault?
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  • Or was it a family secret and never came out or was it--
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  • Patricia: It never came out.
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  • I finally told my siblings, but they didn't believe me, and
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  • that's the easy route.
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  • I'll take a lie detector test.
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  • I have no reason to lie.
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  • The sad part is, it ultimately tore me apart and I believe it's
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  • what caused my marriage to fail because it was just too much
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  • pain living in the town and seeing my parents and being
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  • afraid. It's been a lot.
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  • Creflo: Were your parents and family church-going people?
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  • And so it was pretty difficult for them to hear the
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  • accusations?
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  • Patricia: I never ever told my mother, but it was a small
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  • house.
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  • There's no way she didn't know, and she had to know.
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  • Creflo: Yeah.
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  • And does it bother you sometimes to have to wonder if she did
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  • know and didn't really come to your rescue or support you in
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  • any kind of way?
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  • Patricia: Oh, it bothers me a lot.
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  • Creflo: Like you said in your testimony, there's a lot of
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  • stuff there.
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  • There is a lot of stuff going on.
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  • Well, we have an expert as a special guest today who's going
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  • to join us a little later on in the program.
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  • One of the things that I wanted you to be able to see is the
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  • fact that, you know, sexual abuse is a--that's a childhood
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  • trauma.
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  • And, you know, we want to find out how it was dealt with and
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  • maybe some of the things you saw later on in your years, the
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  • consequences of those things.
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  • But let's talk about your family.
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  • You stayed married for a moment.
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  • What happened with that relationship?
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  • How did it dissolve?
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  • Patricia: Well, my father passed.
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  • Thirty days later, my brother passed and it was just--I
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  • thought I wasn't depressed.
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  • I was just functioning.
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  • I was working fulltime.
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  • I just couldn't snap out of it.
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  • Creflo: How were you being treated?
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  • Patricia: By--at the funeral?
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  • Creflo: Yes, ma'am.
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  • Patricia: Oh, first of all, they're barely telling me
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  • anything about the service.
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  • When I came, it was like, "Why is she here?"
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  • My mother didn't acknowledge me while I was there.
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  • It was just hard.
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  • And then again--then 30 days later, here it is.
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  • My brother died.
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  • And I thought it was bad when my father died, but, oh, it got
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  • worse when my brother died.
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  • And I honestly believe sitting behind my mother, she wished I
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  • was in the coffin and not her son.
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  • Creflo: Did she ever say that?
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  • Patricia: No.
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  • Creflo: But that's what you felt?
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  • Patricia: That's how I felt.
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  • Creflo: So you've--you carried that woo--
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  • Patricia: A lot.
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  • And right before my father died, I try--I reconnected with my
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  • parents and stuff, and I told him, "You messed up my life."
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  • And he said to me, "I never apologize for anything, but I
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  • apologize to you."
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  • And I said, "I don't want your apology.
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  • I want you to fix this mess."
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  • And he probably passed before he had an opportunity to do that.
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  • So I feel like I was left holding the responsibility of
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  • this.
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  • Creflo: How many children did you have out of your
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  • relationship?
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  • Patricia: I have three sons.
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  • I have three sons.
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  • Creflo: I understand that one of those sons died in a horrible
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  • accident. Tell us about that.
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  • Patricia: About 4 months ago 4 o'clock in the morning,
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  • this doorbell's ringing--
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  • Creflo: This is 4 months ago? Patricia: Yeah.
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  • So all these policemen come in my house and they tell me
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  • that--"Do you have a son named Marvin Roberson?"
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  • "Yes. What's wrong with my son?"
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  • "He was in a motorcycle accident."
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  • And I just fell on the steps, banging on the wall saying, "No,
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  • not my son."
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  • And I just remember picking up the phone trying to call my
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  • other sons so they can come.
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  • It was a day later.
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  • The coroner, they were trying to identify him.
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  • And so I say, "Well, I'll send my other two sons.
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  • They'll be able to identify him."
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  • And they're like, "No, Mrs. Roberson.
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  • He's burned beyond recognition."
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  • And I'm like, "God, I know with life comes death.
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  • With everything that I've been through, did you have to take
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  • him that way that I don't get the opportunity to see my son
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  • again?"
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  • And it's like, "God, you've gotten me through so much in my
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  • life, but why did you have to hit me with this, that I can't
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  • even say goodbye properly to my son?
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  • I don't get it."
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  • I mean, I love and trust God.
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  • He has brought me a long way, but to take him like that.
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  • I can take him dying, but the way in which he died.
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  • It's like, "God, it's too much.
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  • I am not that strong to keep handling all of this."
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  • Creflo: We're getting ready to take a break, but give me
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  • your hand for a minute.
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  • A lot of times, God gets blamed for something that he's not
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  • responsible for.
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  • There are other players in the movie.
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  • And Satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy, but I've come that
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  • you might have life and have it more abundantly.
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  • The last person God took and everybody that he ever took, he
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  • took Enoch and Enoch's with God.
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  • He took Moses.
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  • He's with God.
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  • But he doesn't take people like that.
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  • The enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy.
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  • So he's still available to you, to help you to overcome such a
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  • horrific situation.
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  • He's there for you.
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  • But he's not the one that did it, but he will be the one
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  • to help you to overcome where you are right now.
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  • We're going to take a very short break and when we come back,
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  • we'll be joined by international psychologist and emotional
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  • trauma expert, Dr. Bertrina Olivia West, right after this.
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  • announcer: Philadelphia, get ready for the 2019
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  • ChangExperience.
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  • Join Pastors Creflo and Taffi Dollar for one day only.
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  • Creflo: God has blessed you and he's overthrowing his
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  • blessing in your life.
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  • Taffi Dollar: And how many of you know God will take care of
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  • everything concerning you?
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  • announcer: Join us Friday, November 15th at the Hilton
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  • Philadelphia City Avenue Grand Ballroom for the greatest event
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  • of the year.
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  • For more information on how to register, visit
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  • creflodollarministries.org.
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  • Creflo: Our next guest is a US Navy veteran, international
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  • psychologist, and licensed professional counselor for
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  • individual crisis, trauma, abuse, grief, and depression.
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  • Please, ladies and gentlemen, help me welcome
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  • Dr. Bertrina Olivia West, better known as Dr. O.
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  • Thank you so much for being here.
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  • Bertrina Olivia West: Thank you for having me.
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  • Creflo: You heard Patricia's story and, I mean, it's a lot,
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  • isn't it? It's a lot.
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  • And I think that's why--one of the reasons why the first
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  • recommendation for people who have childhood trauma and
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  • have--they've never dealt with it is to get with a therapist so
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  • they can get the help they need to walk through those
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  • situations.
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  • I want to give you the opportunity to respond to some
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  • of that because to me it all--it still kind of sounds like at the
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  • end of the day she's still accepting stuff that she
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  • shouldn't be accepting and the stuff that she needs to accept
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  • wasn't my fault.
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  • "This was a crime that happened."
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  • Go ahead and let's help her walk through this process together
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  • here.
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  • Bertrina: Hi, Patricia. Patricia: Hi there.
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  • Bertrina: First, I want to thank you for having the courage
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  • to come here today and share your story on what you've been
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  • through.
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  • There are a lot of layers to the trauma that you've experienced.
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  • Believe it or not, it all ties into how you are now coping and
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  • dealing or affected by the loss of your son.
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  • As Dr. Dollar has mentioned in regards to childhood trauma, a
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  • lot of times what happens is that it goes unrecognized, it
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  • goes dismissed.
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  • It is very much rationalized, especially in communities of
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  • color; one, because a lot of us we don't believe in therapy.
  • 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.010
  • You know, it is very negative and stigmatized.
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  • But when you think about trauma, all trauma is is stress.
  • 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:13.210
  • Now, we've all experienced stress before, but what makes
  • 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:18.110
  • everyday stress that we maybe experience from work or home or
  • 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:21.180
  • just everyday duties turn into trauma is when that stress
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  • becomes so overwhelming to where it impacts our daily life.
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  • And now what happens when we're children is that oftentimes we
  • 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.240
  • dismiss that children experience stress just like adults.
  • 00:14:33.250 --> 00:14:38.030
  • "What kind of stress you have?
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  • You got no bills to pay.
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  • You got nothing to do.
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  • Get out of here. You ain't stressed."
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  • But what happens is that they do experience stress the same way.
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  • You yelling at me as my mom is stressful for me.
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  • And so when you experience trauma, trauma means that you
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  • have threatened your life or you're bodily harmed.
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  • And so we carry those things around with us.
  • 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:02.160
  • They then construct what we call our core beliefs.
  • 00:15:02.170 --> 00:15:04.260
  • Core belief is, "I am unlovable.
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  • Nobody loves me."
  • 00:15:07.180 --> 00:15:09.060
  • So what happens when we do not deal with that trauma, whatever
  • 00:15:09.070 --> 00:15:12.030
  • trauma occurred that made you feel unlovable, that carries
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  • throughout your life.
  • 00:15:16.260 --> 00:15:18.020
  • As you mentioned, "I don't know what happened with my father,
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  • and there are some things I'm kind of question around that and
  • 00:15:20.110 --> 00:15:22.290
  • I don't really know."
  • 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.030
  • And then again, it kind of trigger, internalizes that
  • 00:15:24.040 --> 00:15:27.100
  • there's something must be wrong with me.
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  • I'm different.
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  • Why is my family treating me this way?
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  • You have rejection, you have abandonment, and it has been
  • 00:15:32.130 --> 00:15:35.190
  • just piling on and piling on and continuing and continuing and
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  • continuing.
  • 00:15:39.010 --> 00:15:40.090
  • Going to adulthood, going to your divorce, "See, I knew it
  • 00:15:40.100 --> 00:15:44.070
  • was something wrong with me.
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  • That's why he left me.
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  • That's why we have a divorce.
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  • I knew I was unlovable."
  • 00:15:47.230 --> 00:15:49.200
  • And then kind of bringing it all back together to the death of
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  • your son.
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  • What happened with your abandonment from your parents
  • 00:15:54.230 --> 00:15:57.140
  • and your family is that you begin to pay a huge amount of
  • 00:15:57.150 --> 00:16:01.250
  • attention to your own family.
  • 00:16:01.260 --> 00:16:04.020
  • You begin to kind of develop your own ways to cope, and you
  • 00:16:04.030 --> 00:16:07.220
  • put a lot of hard work and effort into building what you
  • 00:16:07.230 --> 00:16:11.100
  • wanted in a mother.
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  • So when your son was taken away from you, it hurt like, "Well,
  • 00:16:13.050 --> 00:16:19.250
  • why?
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  • I don't understand when I've given all of this."
  • 00:16:20.260 --> 00:16:23.040
  • Again, "See, I knew something must be wrong with me."
  • 00:16:23.050 --> 00:16:27.200
  • And it comes back into full circle.
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  • And so we're dealing with all this.
  • 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:32.150
  • We have to go back to the beginning.
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  • We have to go back to what the root cause is.
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  • Nobody wants to believe that innate about ourselves, that
  • 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:43.060
  • there's something wrong with us.
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  • And it hurts and then it leads to depression, anxiety,
  • 00:16:45.010 --> 00:16:48.250
  • frustration, anger, and so much more.
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  • Creflo: What are you hearing?
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  • What's really standing out to you?
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  • Patricia: Everything that she's saying it's true because I
  • 00:16:57.100 --> 00:16:59.180
  • am doing a balancing act.
  • 00:16:59.190 --> 00:17:01.160
  • In the core I believe that nobody really wants me, but I
  • 00:17:01.170 --> 00:17:05.130
  • also know that I have been loved in my life.
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  • I know my sons love me unconditionally.
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  • I have a significant other.
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  • I know he loves me.
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  • I know that my friends love me.
  • 00:17:15.150 --> 00:17:19.150
  • But again, it's still that hidden, "How much are you going
  • 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:24.070
  • to love me or stay there with me?"
  • 00:17:24.080 --> 00:17:26.220
  • But does it go into the core of my heart?
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  • No.
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  • Creflo: And that's--I think that's going to be the issue,
  • 00:17:30.150 --> 00:17:32.150
  • the fact that through your own efforts to try to accomplish
  • 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:36.130
  • what you just stated.
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  • It's going to be futile until you really locate what that core
  • 00:17:37.210 --> 00:17:43.230
  • issue is.
  • 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:44.290
  • You have an opportunity now, two questions that you would ask
  • 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:49.080
  • Dr. O right now.
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  • Patricia: I want to know why me.
  • 00:17:52.120 --> 00:17:55.250
  • I want to know when can I finally get peace from all of
  • 00:17:55.260 --> 00:18:00.150
  • this, to take this last chapter of my life to be the best
  • 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:05.070
  • chapter of my life.
  • 00:18:05.080 --> 00:18:07.000
  • Bertrina: So the first question, why me, I can
  • 00:18:07.010 --> 00:18:09.160
  • necessarily answer but I can give you what my mother is
  • 00:18:09.170 --> 00:18:13.020
  • saying.
  • 00:18:13.030 --> 00:18:14.170
  • It's, why not you?
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  • From the strength that you have within you, you're stronger, and
  • 00:18:15.260 --> 00:18:20.040
  • sometimes you just need a little bit of help to pull that out, to
  • 00:18:20.050 --> 00:18:23.290
  • identify it.
  • 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:25.210
  • Now, I tell people that there is no cure for trauma.
  • 00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:30.180
  • You're always going to have triggers.
  • 00:18:30.190 --> 00:18:34.100
  • You're always going to--different things are going
  • 00:18:34.110 --> 00:18:35.210
  • to happen that's going to bring some of the memories or things
  • 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:39.210
  • back up again.
  • 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:40.270
  • But with the right therapists, they can help you process
  • 00:18:40.280 --> 00:18:43.150
  • through that.
  • 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:44.190
  • They can help build your strength so that when you do
  • 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.190
  • have these triggers, you can be prepared with the skills and the
  • 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.180
  • tools to be able to deal with whatever the trigger is to where
  • 00:18:50.190 --> 00:18:55.280
  • it will not be debilitating.
  • 00:18:55.290 --> 00:18:57.150
  • Creflo: You know, when I look at the attacks on my life, I
  • 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.230
  • have to ask myself, "What is it that the enemy is trying to
  • 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:04.090
  • stop?
  • 00:19:04.100 --> 00:19:05.160
  • What is it that he's trying to destroy in my present to try to
  • 00:19:05.170 --> 00:19:09.040
  • confuse my future?"
  • 00:19:09.050 --> 00:19:10.040
  • Patricia: And I believe that. Creflo: Yeah.
  • 00:19:10.050 --> 00:19:12.100
  • And so what has to happen is I don't believe in coming out of
  • 00:19:12.110 --> 00:19:16.080
  • any wilderness situation lacking wisdom.
  • 00:19:16.090 --> 00:19:19.080
  • I want to take--out of every trouble, I want to get some
  • 00:19:19.090 --> 00:19:24.070
  • wisdom out of that.
  • 00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:25.200
  • And then other trouble comes, take some more wisdom out of
  • 00:19:25.210 --> 00:19:28.070
  • that.
  • 00:19:28.080 --> 00:19:29.120
  • And before you know it, I'm congratulating the trouble
  • 00:19:29.130 --> 00:19:32.090
  • because sometimes without it I wouldn't know the things I know,
  • 00:19:32.100 --> 00:19:35.000
  • understand the things I do.
  • 00:19:35.010 --> 00:19:36.150
  • So how can I grow from every situation that I'm allowed to go
  • 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:40.110
  • through?
  • 00:19:40.120 --> 00:19:41.070
  • Not camp in, but to go through.
  • 00:19:41.080 --> 00:19:43.070
  • Because, you know, everybody's got haters.
  • 00:19:43.080 --> 00:19:46.250
  • I send my haters Christmas cards because if it hadn't been for my
  • 00:19:46.260 --> 00:19:50.190
  • haters, I wouldn't be where I am right now.
  • 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.160
  • And so I think what has to happen is you've got to be
  • 00:19:53.170 --> 00:19:57.050
  • careful to look at the bigger picture.
  • 00:19:57.060 --> 00:20:00.010
  • Diplomacy is always about looking at the bigger picture.
  • 00:20:00.020 --> 00:20:02.170
  • And when you ignore looking at the bigger picture for some
  • 00:20:02.180 --> 00:20:05.190
  • little thing that you're very fascinated in--about, then
  • 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:10.080
  • diplomacy won't work 'cause you don't see the bigger picture of
  • 00:20:10.090 --> 00:20:13.190
  • everything.
  • 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:14.270
  • And I've learned how to look at the bigger picture, and part of
  • 00:20:14.280 --> 00:20:16.210
  • that means I got to not look at me so much and I've got to look
  • 00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:20.030
  • at somebody else.
  • 00:20:20.040 --> 00:20:21.110
  • So what can I do and what do I have from this crazy situation
  • 00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:25.170
  • that I can use to be a blessing to somebody else?
  • 00:20:25.180 --> 00:20:28.260
  • When are you going to have peace?
  • 00:20:28.270 --> 00:20:30.040
  • I think when you make a decision.
  • 00:20:30.050 --> 00:20:32.060
  • Like Dr. O said, there's no cure for trauma, but you can make a
  • 00:20:32.070 --> 00:20:36.090
  • decision that I'm going to walk in peace and I'm going to have
  • 00:20:36.100 --> 00:20:40.080
  • security in the midst of turmoil, your relationship with
  • 00:20:40.090 --> 00:20:44.050
  • Jesus.
  • 00:20:44.060 --> 00:20:45.030
  • Your decision not to sweat the small things.
  • 00:20:45.040 --> 00:20:48.070
  • You know, when do you want peace?
  • 00:20:48.080 --> 00:20:50.030
  • I think that's a decision you have to make.
  • 00:20:50.040 --> 00:20:52.020
  • I think make the decision first and then begin to discover what
  • 00:20:52.030 --> 00:20:56.110
  • you need to do to walk it out; that I'm going to walk in peace.
  • 00:20:56.120 --> 00:21:00.160
  • Because if you don't, what's going to end up happening, when
  • 00:21:00.170 --> 00:21:03.260
  • you are dis eased and have dis easement on the inside, it
  • 00:21:03.270 --> 00:21:08.270
  • translates into your physical body as well and you have dis
  • 00:21:11.080 --> 00:21:14.140
  • easement where your body is concerned.
  • 00:21:14.150 --> 00:21:17.260
  • You've got to just learn how to live this life of, what do I
  • 00:21:17.270 --> 00:21:22.180
  • call it, not being content but ease, a spirit of ease on your
  • 00:21:22.190 --> 00:21:27.290
  • life where, "You know what?
  • 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.260
  • This happened, but this could have happened.
  • 00:21:29.270 --> 00:21:31.260
  • Thank God.
  • 00:21:31.270 --> 00:21:33.020
  • And I'm going to be grateful and live a thankful and grateful
  • 00:21:33.030 --> 00:21:36.140
  • life, and I'm going to expand my view and rather than me looking
  • 00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:40.060
  • completely, you know, mean what I've gone through and people
  • 00:21:40.070 --> 00:21:43.090
  • don't understand that."
  • 00:21:43.100 --> 00:21:44.150
  • I'd say that's not important.
  • 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:45.220
  • It's very important, and it's important that you get into the
  • 00:21:45.230 --> 00:21:48.000
  • process where you can begin to work out and process these
  • 00:21:48.010 --> 00:21:50.260
  • things.
  • 00:21:50.270 --> 00:21:52.180
  • But man, I think there's something on you and there's
  • 00:21:52.190 --> 00:21:55.080
  • some things that you have yet to accomplish.
  • 00:21:55.090 --> 00:21:58.110
  • And this whole time has been about stopping you from doing
  • 00:21:58.120 --> 00:22:01.160
  • what needs to be done.
  • 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:03.260
  • Just make a decision.
  • 00:22:03.270 --> 00:22:04.260
  • "I'm going to walk in love no matter what."
  • 00:22:04.270 --> 00:22:06.220
  • You have a beautiful smile and while--
  • 00:22:06.230 --> 00:22:12.220
  • you're going to miss your son every day.
  • 00:22:13.210 --> 00:22:16.140
  • That's another thing you have to go through and process.
  • 00:22:16.150 --> 00:22:20.140
  • You're human.
  • 00:22:20.150 --> 00:22:21.210
  • It hurts there and sometimes it takes other humans you can see
  • 00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:24.290
  • and touch to say, "Could you help me to walk through this and
  • 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.170
  • process this?"
  • 00:22:28.180 --> 00:22:29.240
  • And that's the law of Christ that we learn how to bear one
  • 00:22:29.250 --> 00:22:31.210
  • another's burdens, we share in what you're going through, and
  • 00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:35.290
  • that's okay.
  • 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:37.060
  • Doesn't mean that we're people that have weak faith or bad
  • 00:22:37.070 --> 00:22:40.030
  • faith.
  • 00:22:40.040 --> 00:22:41.080
  • It's just people that are hurting right now, and thank God
  • 00:22:41.090 --> 00:22:44.150
  • that he's put other people around us that will be willing
  • 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.210
  • to bear our burdens and share what we're going through and
  • 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:51.280
  • professionals that can help us to organize our thoughts and
  • 00:22:51.290 --> 00:22:55.070
  • shine light on the path and to help us out.
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  • Do appreciate our guest today.
  • 00:22:57.290 --> 00:23:01.180
  • And Dr. O, thank you.
  • 00:23:01.190 --> 00:23:05.050
  • Thank you so much.
  • 00:23:05.060 --> 00:23:07.270
  • You know, God never intended humans to suffer like this,
  • 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:10.280
  • whether it is from abuse, grief, sickness, or any number
  • 00:23:10.290 --> 00:23:15.010
  • of traumatic situations.
  • 00:23:15.020 --> 00:23:17.010
  • In the Bible, we see promise after promise of healing and
  • 00:23:17.020 --> 00:23:20.140
  • wholeness.
  • 00:23:20.150 --> 00:23:21.210
  • And when we accept God's Word by faith, we will experience this
  • 00:23:21.220 --> 00:23:26.250
  • healing firsthand.
  • 00:23:26.260 --> 00:23:28.050
  • I want thank my guest, Patricia Roberson, for joining us today.
  • 00:23:28.060 --> 00:23:33.060
  • And listen, if there's something going on in your world and you
  • 00:23:33.070 --> 00:23:37.260
  • need help or if you know someone who needs help, please reach
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  • out and connect with us online at yourworldwithcreflo.com.
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  • Stay connected with me on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram
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  • and know that I'd love to hear from you.
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  • I'll see you next time right here on "Your World."
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