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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show
December 6, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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  • - MALE: HEY.
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: HEY, FOLKS,
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  • IT'S I, ERIC METAXAS.
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  • I AM SO EXCITED.
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  • WE HAVE AN AMAZING GUEST TODAY,
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  • DON'T LEAVE, WHATEVER YOU'RE
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  • DOING, BECAUSE THIS IS
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  • ONE OF THOSE STORIES.
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  • I'M SITTING HERE IN THE STUDIO
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  • WITH CASEY DIAZ.
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  • THE BOOK IS "THE SHOT CALLER: A
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  • LATINO GANGBANGER'S MIRACULOUS
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  • ESCAPE FROM A LIFE OF VIOLENCE
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  • TO A NEW LIFE IN CHRIST."
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  • CASEY DIAZ, WELCOME.
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  • - CASEY DIAZ: THANK YOU FOR
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  • HAVING ME.
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  • - ERIC: YOU HAVE AN
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  • UNBELIEVABLE-- I MEAN, A LIFE
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  • OF VIOLENCE DOESN'T DO
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  • JUSTICE TO YOUR STORY.
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  • I MEAN, IT'S WORSE THAN A LOT--
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  • I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD A
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  • LIFE OF VIOLENCE.
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  • YOU'RE TALKIN' A LIFE OF
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  • EXTREME VIOLENCE.
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  • SO I WANNA GET YOUR STORY.
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  • WHERE DO WE START?
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  • - CASEY: WHEREVER YOU LIKE,
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  • HUH?
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  • - ERIC: TELL THE STORY OF
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  • COMING TO AMERICA.
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  • - CASEY: I WAS TWO YEARS OLD.
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  • - ERIC: TWO, ALL RIGHT, SO
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  • WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A
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  • LOT OF DETAILS.
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  • YOU WERE TWO, RIGHT?
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  • - CASEY: YEAH, EXACTLY.
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  • AND WE SETTLED IN WHAT'S CALLED
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  • THE RAMPART DISTRICT OF
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  • LOS ANGELES.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, AND YOU GOT
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  • INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE
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  • EXTREMELY YOUNG.
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  • TELL US THE STORY.
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  • - CASEY: I WAS 11 YEARS OLD.
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  • YOU KNOW, IT WAS AT A TIME WHERE
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  • KIDS WERE STILL PLAYING OUTSIDE,
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  • BASEBALL AND FOOTBALL, AND A LOT
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  • OF OUTSIDE, OUTDOOR ACTIVITY,
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  • BUT THE ONLY ELEMENT WITH ME WAS
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  • THAT MY FOLKS-- WITH MY MOM, YOU
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  • KNOW, SHE WORKED AS A SEAMSTRESS
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  • IN DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES,
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  • SO SHE'D LEAVE AT 4 IN
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  • THE MORNING AND THEN
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  • WOULDN'T COME BACK UNTIL
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  • AROUND 10, 11 AT NIGHT,
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  • AND THEN, MY FATHER, WHO WAS
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  • NEVER WORKING, HE WAS ALWAYS OUT
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  • THERE, AND, YOU KNOW, HE'D BE
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  • SELLING WEED OUT THERE AND--
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  • - ERIC: YOUR FATHER WAS
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  • SELLING WEED?
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  • - CASEY: YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: WOW.
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  • - CASEY: SO, THEN, YOU KNOW,
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  • THE DRUG EPIDEMIC IN THE '80s IN
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  • LOS ANGELES HAD JUST STARTED, SO
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  • HERE'S A YOUNG BOY BEING LEFT,
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  • ESSENTIALLY, UNSUPERVISED, AND
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  • THAT BECOMES THE DANGER IN
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  • AND OF ITSELF.
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  • - ERIC: SO AT WHAT POINT DO YOU
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  • GO INTO GANG-- TO BEING A PART
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  • OF THIS GANG WITH THE VIOLENCE?
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  • - CASEY: I WAS INTRODUCED TO
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  • THE GANG CULTURE, 11 YEARS OLD.
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  • GANG STARTED MOVE IN.
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  • YOU KNOW, YOU START BECOMING
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  • AWARE, AND I WAS INTRODUCED TO
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  • THIS PARTICULAR GANG BY ONE OF
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  • THE GUYS THAT WE HUNG OUT
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  • OUTSIDE, AND IT LURED ME IN.
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  • IT BECAME A FALSE SENSE OF
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  • FAMILY THAT I DIDN'T
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  • HAVE AT HOME.
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  • - ERIC: YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THIS
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  • OVER AND OVER AND OVER THAT IT'S
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  • LIKE A FAMILY, THAT PEOPLE ARE
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  • LOOKING FOR SOMETHING.
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  • THEY DON'T HAVE IT, AND THEY
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  • FIND IT IN THE GANG.
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  • SO WHAT DO YOU DO AT 11 OR 12?
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  • I MEAN, WHAT-- YOU KNOW, YOU'RE
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  • A KID AT THAT POINT.
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  • WHAT HAPPENS?
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  • - CASEY: UNFORTUNATELY, THERE
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  • WAS A GANG LEADER THAT TOOK ME
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  • UNDER HIS WING.
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  • FOR WHATEVER REASON, HE TOOK A
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  • LIKING TO ME, AND SO HERE YOU
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  • ARE, AT 11 YEARS OLD, HANGING
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  • OUT WITH A VERY POPULAR GANG
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  • LEADER OF THIS GANG, AND HE
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  • TAKES ME TO MY FIRST, YOU KNOW,
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  • STEALING OF A CAR.
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  • WE DO SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND
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  • ONE EVENT IS WHAT STARTED TO
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  • REALLY CHANGE EVERYTHING.
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  • WE WENT AND, WHAT WE CALL,
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  • "JUMPED" A RIVAL GANG MEMBER,
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  • AND, BASICALLY, WE WERE
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  • IN A STOLEN CAR.
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  • WE WENT AND LOOKED FOR HIM,
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  • FOUND HIM AND ASSAULTED HIM, AND
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  • HE ENDED UP STABBING THE GUY,
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  • AND THEN GAVE ME THE SCREWDRIVER
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  • AND SAID, "YOUR TURN,"
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  • AND THAT WAS MY FIRST STABBING
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  • AT 11 YEARS OLD.
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  • - ERIC: YOU WERE 11?
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  • - CASEY: YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: WHAT DID THAT
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  • DO TO YOU?
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  • SOMETIMES AT THAT AGE, YOU'RE SO
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  • YOUNG THAT YOU'RE NOT SENSITIVE
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  • THE WAY YOU ARE WHEN YOU'RE
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  • OLDER.
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  • I MEAN, DID IT-- HOW DID
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  • YOU FEEL?
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  • - CASEY: WELL, YOU KNOW, IN MY
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  • HOME, THERE WAS A LOT OF
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  • VIOLENCE TO START OFF WITH.
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  • MY FATHER WAS EXTREMELY VIOLENT.
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  • HE BEAT MY MOM.
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  • I MEAN, THERE WAS NOT ONE WEEK
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  • THAT MY MOM WAS NOT BEAT
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  • SENSELESSLY AND LEFT IN A POOL
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  • OF BLOOD BY THE HANDS OF MY
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  • FATHER, SO I SAW THAT, AND AT
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  • EIGHT YEARS OLD, I SAW A-- I
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  • WITNESSED A TRIPLE HOMICIDE
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  • RIGHT BEFORE MY EYES AT ABOUT
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  • 20 FEET AWAY.
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  • - ERIC: AT EIGHT?
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  • - CASEY: YEAH.
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  • - CASEY: THREE MEN WERE GUNNED
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  • DOWN IN FRONT OF ME.
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  • - ERIC: ALL RIGHT, SO YOU'RE
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  • 11 YEARS OLD.
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  • YOU'RE BEING INITIATED INTO
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  • MURDER, VIOLENCE.
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  • I IMAGINE, IF YOU START THERE,
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  • IT DOESN'T GET BETTER.
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  • HOW DID THINGS DEVELOP SO THAT
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  • - CASEY: WELL, YOU KNOW, I
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  • THINK THAT, ONCE YOU START TO
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  • GET USED TO A CERTAIN KIND OF
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  • LIFESTYLE-- WELL, IN ANYTHING,
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  • IT BECOMES NORMAL, AND, FOR ME,
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  • AND SO, YOU KNOW, FROM ME
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  • PARTAKING IN THE STABBING AT 11,
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  • A CRAVING STARTED TO HAPPEN
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  • WITHIN ME, AND I NEEDED
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  • TO GO OUT THERE.
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  • I WANTED TO GO OUT THERE.
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  • I SAW WHAT IT DID IN THE EYES
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  • OF OTHER GANG MEMBERS.
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  • I SAW THE FEAR THAT IT WAS
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  • BRINGING, AND THAT CRAVE ALSO,
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  • YOU KNOW, JUMPED OVER, AND I
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  • JUST NEEDED TO DO THAT, AND IT
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  • BECAME AN EVERYDAY THING WHERE I
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  • WENT OUT THERE AND SOUGHT-AFTER
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  • GANG RIVALS, AND DID WHATEVER
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  • I NEEDED TO DO.
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  • - ERIC: SO YOU ENJOYED
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  • THE VIOLENCE?
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  • - CASEY: I DID.
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  • - ERIC: AND HOW OLD-- HOW LONG
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  • DOES THIS GO ON FOR?
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  • - CASEY: FOR A PERIOD OF ABOUT
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  • FIVE YEARS UNTIL I GET ARRESTED
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  • AT 16 YEARS OLD FOR A
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  • GANG-RELATED MURDER.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO YOU-- NOW, I'M
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  • IMAGINING THAT YOU WERE INVOLVED
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  • IN A NUMBER OF MURDERS BEFORE
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  • THIS, BUT YOU HAD NOT
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  • BEEN CAUGHT?
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  • - CASEY: I HAD BEEN ALL OVER
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  • THE PLACE.
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  • BY THIS TIME, I'VE STABBED MANY
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  • OTHER RIVAL GANG MEMBERS, YES.
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  • - ERIC: SO THEY TAKE YOU AT
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  • THAT POINT AND-- WHAT?
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  • THEY SEND YOU TO NEW
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  • FOLSOM PRISON?
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  • IS THAT WHERE YOU GO?
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  • - CASEY: THEY ENDED UP SENDING
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  • ME TO LOS ANGELES COUNTY JAIL,
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  • MEN'S CENTRAL JAIL IN DOWNTOWN
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  • LOS ANGELES, AND THEN, FROM
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  • THERE, TO WHAT'S CALLED THE
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  • "GANG MODULE."
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  • AND IN THE GANG MODULE
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  • IS WHERE EVERY L.A.
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  • GANG LEADER IS HOUSED.
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  • WE'RE A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH FOR
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  • MAINLINE OR REGULAR POPULATION,
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  • SO THEY HOUSE US THERE, AND
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  • THEN, FROM THERE, I GET
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  • TRANSFERRED TO WAYSIDE TO A UNIT
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  • CALLED 2400, AND THIS IS WHERE
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  • EVERYONE THAT'S IN THERE FOR
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  • MURDERER IS HOUSED.
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  • SO I'M HOUSED THERE, AND THERE
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  • IS WHERE I GET VALIDATED AS A
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  • "SHOT CALLER" INSIDE--
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO THE TITLE OF
  • 00:06:59.170 --> 00:07:00.140
  • YOUR BOOK IS "THE SHOT CALLER."
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  • WHAT IS A "SHOT CALLER"?
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  • - CASEY: IT'S SOMEONE WHO HAS
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  • THE ABILITY TO PUSH A NAME IN A
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  • PIECE OF PAPER AND HAVE YOU
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  • KILLED UP TO THAT, JUST BY ME
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  • SIGNING A DOCUMENT.
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  • - ERIC: SO EVEN AT AGE 16, YOU
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  • HAD THAT KIND OF POWER AND
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  • AUTHORITY IN THE GANG WORLD?
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  • - CASEY: YEAH, WELL, BY THIS
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  • TIME, I'M 18 YEARS OLD OR AROUND
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  • THERE, AND ALREADY, YOU KNOW,
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  • THROUGH THE TRIAL.
  • 00:07:26.210 --> 00:07:28.120
  • IT WAS AN EIGHT-MONTH TRIAL, AND
  • 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:29.270
  • SO TIME HAS GONE BY, BUT, YEAH,
  • 00:07:29.270 --> 00:07:32.250
  • JUST THE MEASURE OF VIOLENCE
  • 00:07:32.250 --> 00:07:34.210
  • THAT CAME OUT OF ME, IT WAS A
  • 00:07:34.210 --> 00:07:36.270
  • LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE BOX, EVEN
  • 00:07:36.270 --> 00:07:38.230
  • FOR THAT KIND OF CULTURE.
  • 00:07:38.230 --> 00:07:40.130
  • I JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY BREAKS.
  • 00:07:40.130 --> 00:07:42.080
  • IF ANYTHING NEEDED TO BE DONE, I
  • 00:07:42.080 --> 00:07:44.100
  • WOULD HAPPILY DO IT.
  • 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:47.010
  • THERE WAS NO SECOND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:07:47.010 --> 00:07:48.100
  • THOUGHT OR-- I JUST WENT AND DID
  • 00:07:48.170 --> 00:07:51.170
  • IT, AND IT WAS A NORMAL
  • 00:07:51.170 --> 00:07:52.110
  • THING FOR ME.
  • 00:07:52.110 --> 00:07:53.230
  • - ERIC: SO WHAT HAPPENS
  • 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:56.050
  • AT THIS POINT?
  • 00:07:56.050 --> 00:07:56.250
  • - CASEY: SO I ENDED UP GETTING
  • 00:07:56.250 --> 00:07:58.080
  • SENT TO NEW FOLSOM STATE PRISON
  • 00:07:58.080 --> 00:07:59.260
  • TO DIRECTLY SERVE MY SENTENCE
  • 00:07:59.260 --> 00:08:01.170
  • AS IN THE SHU PROGRAM, IN
  • 00:08:01.190 --> 00:08:04.190
  • SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
  • 00:08:04.190 --> 00:08:05.140
  • - ERIC: HOW LONG IS
  • 00:08:05.140 --> 00:08:06.010
  • THE SENTENCE?
  • 00:08:06.010 --> 00:08:06.180
  • - CASEY: TWELVE YEARS,
  • 00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:07.100
  • EIGHT MONTHS.
  • 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:08.010
  • - ERIC: TWELVE YEARS
  • 00:08:08.010 --> 00:08:08.220
  • IN SOLITARY?
  • 00:08:08.220 --> 00:08:09.190
  • - CASEY: THAT'S WHAT I WAS
  • 00:08:09.190 --> 00:08:10.170
  • SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE FOR,
  • 00:08:10.170 --> 00:08:11.080
  • YEAH.
  • 00:08:11.080 --> 00:08:12.110
  • - CASEY: IT CHANGES WHEN A
  • 00:08:16.170 --> 00:08:19.070
  • LITTLE CHURCH COMES TO VISIT ONE
  • 00:08:19.070 --> 00:08:21.070
  • AND THIS LITTLE LADY BY THE NAME
  • 00:08:25.020 --> 00:08:25.240
  • OF FRANCES PROCTOR, LITTLE BLACK
  • 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.210
  • LADY, SHE IS THERE, AND THERE'S
  • 00:08:27.210 --> 00:08:30.140
  • A CONVERSATION HAPPENING RIGHT
  • 00:08:30.140 --> 00:08:33.070
  • OUTSIDE MY GATE, OR MY CELL, AND
  • 00:08:33.070 --> 00:08:34.250
  • THE CONVERSATION IS HER ASKING A
  • 00:08:35.180 --> 00:08:38.180
  • GUARD IF THERE'S AN INMATE
  • 00:08:38.180 --> 00:08:41.070
  • IN THAT CELL.
  • 00:08:41.070 --> 00:08:42.020
  • I HAD NO CLUE THAT SHE WAS
  • 00:08:42.020 --> 00:08:44.180
  • POINTING AT MY CELL, AND THE
  • 00:08:44.180 --> 00:08:46.240
  • GUARD ACTUALLY DISCOURAGES HER
  • 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.080
  • MULTIPLE TIMES TO "DON'T WASTE
  • 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:49.290
  • YOUR TIME."
  • 00:08:50.010 --> 00:08:53.010
  • THOSE WORDS WERE SAID,
  • 00:08:53.010 --> 00:08:53.180
  • "DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME,"
  • 00:08:53.180 --> 00:08:54.200
  • AND SHE IS SO AMBITIOUS AND
  • 00:08:55.230 --> 00:08:58.230
  • COURAGEOUS AND BOLD, AND I
  • 00:08:58.230 --> 00:08:59.170
  • REMEMBER HER SAYING,
  • 00:08:59.170 --> 00:09:01.250
  • "JESUS CAME FOR EVERYONE,
  • 00:09:01.250 --> 00:09:04.010
  • INCLUDING HIM.
  • 00:09:04.010 --> 00:09:05.250
  • CAN I APPROACH HIS CELL?"
  • 00:09:05.250 --> 00:09:06.140
  • AND SHE DOES.
  • 00:09:06.140 --> 00:09:08.080
  • SHE'S GIVEN PERMISSION TO
  • 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.200
  • APPROACH MY GATE.
  • 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.170
  • SHE COMES TO MY GATE, AND A
  • 00:09:12.170 --> 00:09:13.070
  • LITTLE CONVERSATION HAPPENS.
  • 00:09:13.070 --> 00:09:15.260
  • I DIDN'T WANT-- INITIALLY, I
  • 00:09:15.260 --> 00:09:17.010
  • WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH
  • 00:09:17.010 --> 00:09:17.260
  • HER OR HER RELIGION.
  • 00:09:17.260 --> 00:09:20.090
  • I NEVER WENT TO CHURCH.
  • 00:09:20.090 --> 00:09:21.020
  • I HAD NO BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE.
  • 00:09:21.150 --> 00:09:24.150
  • DIDN'T CARE ABOUT GOD.
  • 00:09:24.150 --> 00:09:25.110
  • WASN'T LOOKING FOR GOD.
  • 00:09:25.110 --> 00:09:26.200
  • JESUS, TO ME, WAS-- I JUST--
  • 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:29.010
  • THAT WAS-- I WAS IN DARKNESS OF
  • 00:09:29.050 --> 00:09:32.050
  • ANYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH
  • 00:09:32.050 --> 00:09:33.140
  • RELIGION IN THERE.
  • 00:09:33.140 --> 00:09:34.210
  • - ERIC: THAT'S KIND OF
  • 00:09:34.210 --> 00:09:37.150
  • AMAZING TO ME.
  • 00:09:37.150 --> 00:09:38.160
  • SO WHAT DOES SHE SAY TO YOU?
  • 00:09:38.160 --> 00:09:39.100
  • - CASEY: HER FIRST THING THAT
  • 00:09:39.220 --> 00:09:42.220
  • COMES OUT OF HER MOUTH AS SHE
  • 00:09:42.220 --> 00:09:45.060
  • COMES TO MY GATE, SHE SAYS, YOU
  • 00:09:45.060 --> 00:09:46.050
  • KNOW, "HOW ARE YOU DOING?"
  • 00:09:46.050 --> 00:09:47.120
  • AND I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT
  • 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:49.050
  • ABOUT THAT, AND I SAID,
  • 00:09:49.050 --> 00:09:51.070
  • "WELL, COULDN'T BE
  • 00:09:51.070 --> 00:09:52.230
  • DOING BETTER."
  • 00:09:52.230 --> 00:09:53.120
  • AND SHE LAUGHED.
  • 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:54.250
  • SHE SAID, "THAT WAS A DUMB
  • 00:09:54.250 --> 00:09:55.170
  • QUESTION."
  • 00:09:55.170 --> 00:09:56.080
  • I SAID, "IT'S ALL RIGHT."
  • 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:57.280
  • BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE DOES HER
  • 00:09:57.280 --> 00:09:59.270
  • LITTLE PRESENTATION, AND I
  • 00:09:59.270 --> 00:10:00.270
  • KIND OF SHAKE IT OFF, AND I
  • 00:10:00.270 --> 00:10:03.150
  • TELL HER TO-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:10:03.150 --> 00:10:04.230
  • "I'M NOT INTERESTED."
  • 00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:05.190
  • BUT SHE SAYS THIS TO ME,
  • 00:10:05.190 --> 00:10:07.070
  • SHE SAYS, "I'M GONNA PUT
  • 00:10:07.070 --> 00:10:08.250
  • YOU IN MY 'HIT LIST,'"
  • 00:10:08.250 --> 00:10:10.200
  • WHICH WAS VERY COLORFUL
  • 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:11.250
  • FOR HER TO SAY THAT
  • 00:10:11.250 --> 00:10:12.260
  • IN A PLACE LIKE THAT.
  • 00:10:12.260 --> 00:10:13.280
  • - ERIC: YEAH.
  • 00:10:13.280 --> 00:10:14.260
  • - CASEY: SHE SAID, "I'M GONNA
  • 00:10:14.260 --> 00:10:16.040
  • PUT YOU IN MY PRAYER HIT LIST,
  • 00:10:16.040 --> 00:10:17.100
  • AND JESUS IS GONNA USE YOU."
  • 00:10:17.100 --> 00:10:18.210
  • AND THERE WAS THIS BOLDNESS THAT
  • 00:10:18.210 --> 00:10:20.130
  • CAME OUT OF HER, AND I THOUGHT,
  • 00:10:20.130 --> 00:10:21.110
  • "THIS LADY IS NUTS.
  • 00:10:21.110 --> 00:10:23.200
  • SHE HAS NO CLUE OF WHAT SHE'S
  • 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.050
  • DOING HERE OR WHO SHE'S
  • 00:10:25.050 --> 00:10:26.240
  • TALKING TO."
  • 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.090
  • SO FOR A YEAR AND SIX MONTHS,
  • 00:10:29.090 --> 00:10:30.260
  • THIS LADY GOES INTO INTERCESSION
  • 00:10:30.260 --> 00:10:33.100
  • FOR MY LIFE.
  • 00:10:33.100 --> 00:10:35.000
  • - ERIC: SO, "INTERCESSION,"
  • 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:35.210
  • SHE'S PRAYING FOR YOU FOR A YEAR
  • 00:10:35.210 --> 00:10:37.100
  • AND SIX MONTHS.
  • 00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:38.270
  • DID SHE VISIT YOU AGAIN?
  • 00:10:38.270 --> 00:10:39.290
  • - CASEY: SO SHE ASKED ME IF SHE
  • 00:10:39.290 --> 00:10:40.290
  • COULD STOP AT MY GATE AND MY
  • 00:10:40.290 --> 00:10:42.110
  • CELL, YOU KNOW, TO SPEND TWO TO
  • 00:10:42.110 --> 00:10:44.270
  • FOUR MINUTES WITH ME,
  • 00:10:44.270 --> 00:10:45.170
  • PRAYING FOR ME.
  • 00:10:45.170 --> 00:10:46.210
  • AND I TOLD HER, I SAID, YOU
  • 00:10:46.210 --> 00:10:48.040
  • KNOW, "YOU CAN DO
  • 00:10:48.040 --> 00:10:49.010
  • WHATEVER YOU WANT.
  • 00:10:49.010 --> 00:10:51.000
  • I'M LETTING YOU KNOW I DON'T
  • 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:51.200
  • WANT NOTHIN' TO DO WITH YOUR
  • 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.110
  • RELIGION OR WHATEVER YOU'RE
  • 00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:53.010
  • TRYIN' TO SELL ME HERE."
  • 00:10:53.010 --> 00:10:53.290
  • - ERIC: YEAH.
  • 00:10:53.290 --> 00:10:54.170
  • - CASEY: AND-- BUT SHE WAS--
  • 00:10:54.170 --> 00:10:55.250
  • SHE SAID, "I JUST WANNA STOP BY
  • 00:10:55.250 --> 00:10:57.240
  • AND JUST PRAY FOR YOU AND SEE
  • 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:58.150
  • HOW YOU'RE DOIN'.
  • 00:10:58.150 --> 00:10:59.160
  • THAT'S ALL."
  • 00:10:59.160 --> 00:11:01.070
  • AND SO SHE WOULD.
  • 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:02.120
  • SO ONCE A MONTH, SHE WOULD STOP
  • 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.140
  • IN AND PRAY FOR ME AND, YOU
  • 00:11:04.140 --> 00:11:06.210
  • KNOW, A LITTLE CONVERSATION.
  • 00:11:06.210 --> 00:11:08.000
  • WE ONLY HAD ABOUT TWO TO
  • 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:08.280
  • FOUR MINUTES.
  • 00:11:08.280 --> 00:11:10.060
  • - ERIC: IS ANYTHING HAPPENING
  • 00:11:10.060 --> 00:11:10.270
  • TO YOU DURING THIS TIME?
  • 00:11:10.270 --> 00:11:11.170
  • - CASEY: NOTHING UNTIL I END UP
  • 00:11:11.170 --> 00:11:13.220
  • ENCOUNTERING CHRIST IN
  • 00:11:13.220 --> 00:11:14.270
  • THERE ON MY OWN.
  • 00:11:14.270 --> 00:11:16.160
  • YOU KNOW, YOU LOSE
  • 00:11:16.160 --> 00:11:18.000
  • TRACK OF TIME.
  • 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.160
  • THERE IS NO WINDOWS.
  • 00:11:19.160 --> 00:11:20.200
  • - ERIC: THERE'S NO WINDOWS?
  • 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:21.100
  • - CASEY: THERE'S NO
  • 00:11:21.100 --> 00:11:21.260
  • WINDOWS AT ALL.
  • 00:11:21.260 --> 00:11:23.000
  • YEAH, THE CELL HAS NOTHING.
  • 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:24.080
  • YOU CAN'T SEE NOTHING.
  • 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.120
  • - ERIC: THIS IS HARD, SO HARD
  • 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.210
  • FOR MOST PEOPLE TO PROCESS.
  • 00:11:28.210 --> 00:11:29.110
  • I'M AMAZED.
  • 00:11:29.110 --> 00:11:30.260
  • WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK,
  • 00:11:30.260 --> 00:11:31.150
  • FOLKS.
  • 00:11:31.150 --> 00:11:32.280
  • WE HAVE JUST GOTTEN TO THAT
  • 00:11:32.280 --> 00:11:34.130
  • POINT IN THE STORY.
  • 00:11:34.130 --> 00:11:35.050
  • DON'T LEAVE.
  • 00:11:35.050 --> 00:11:36.040
  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
  • 00:11:36.040 --> 00:11:37.250
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:46.060 --> 00:11:49.060
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:49.060 --> 00:11:51.200
  • - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, IT'S
  • 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:52.110
  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
  • 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:52.290
  • I'M TALKIN'
  • 00:11:52.290 --> 00:11:53.160
  • TO CASEY DIAZ.
  • 00:11:53.160 --> 00:11:55.020
  • "THE SHOT CALLER" IS THE TITLE
  • 00:11:55.020 --> 00:11:56.090
  • OF THE BOOK.
  • 00:11:56.090 --> 00:11:58.090
  • WE'RE JUST AT THAT POINT.
  • 00:11:58.090 --> 00:11:59.050
  • CASEY, YOU SAID NOW
  • 00:11:59.050 --> 00:12:00.080
  • YOU'RE IN SOLITARY.
  • 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:00.270
  • I MEAN, YOU DESCRIBED
  • 00:12:00.270 --> 00:12:01.260
  • SOLITARY TO ME.
  • 00:12:01.260 --> 00:12:02.230
  • THERE'S VERSIONS OF SOLITARY.
  • 00:12:02.230 --> 00:12:05.210
  • I MEAN, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED
  • 00:12:05.210 --> 00:12:06.130
  • TO ME IS LIKE HELL.
  • 00:12:06.130 --> 00:12:07.230
  • I CANNOT EVEN BELIEVE
  • 00:12:07.230 --> 00:12:10.030
  • THERE'S NO WINDOW.
  • 00:12:10.030 --> 00:12:11.030
  • THERE'S NOTHING.
  • 00:12:11.030 --> 00:12:12.200
  • YOU CAN'T LOOK AT A BOOK--
  • 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:13.130
  • NOTHING.
  • 00:12:13.130 --> 00:12:14.290
  • AND YOU ARE EXTREMELY VIOLENT.
  • 00:12:14.290 --> 00:12:15.200
  • YOU'RE IN THIS SITUATION.
  • 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.120
  • AT WHAT POINT DOES YOUR LIFE
  • 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.070
  • - CASEY: AT THIS PARTICULAR
  • 00:12:22.020 --> 00:12:22.220
  • MOMENT, I'M LAYING DOWN ON MY
  • 00:12:22.220 --> 00:12:23.190
  • BUNK, ON THIS METAL SLAB, ON
  • 00:12:23.190 --> 00:12:26.100
  • THIS CONCRETE SLAB, AND I'M
  • 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:27.240
  • MY HANDS ARE BEHIND MY HEAD.
  • 00:12:30.280 --> 00:12:31.180
  • A NORMAL DAY IN SOLITARY, AND I
  • 00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:33.250
  • START TO SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A
  • 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:37.080
  • FILM ON MY WALL, AND BEFORE I
  • 00:12:37.260 --> 00:12:40.260
  • EVEN GO THERE, THE CELL NEXT TO
  • 00:12:40.260 --> 00:12:42.220
  • ME WAS OCCUPIED BY ANOTHER
  • 00:12:42.220 --> 00:12:45.130
  • INMATE OF A SIMILAR
  • 00:12:45.130 --> 00:12:47.050
  • GANG WITH ME.
  • 00:12:47.050 --> 00:12:48.210
  • HE HAD BEEN THERE FOR TEN YEARS
  • 00:12:48.210 --> 00:12:51.040
  • IN SOLITARY WHEN I GOT THERE,
  • 00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:52.290
  • AND HE ENDED UP LOSING HIS MIND
  • 00:12:52.290 --> 00:12:54.060
  • FROM ONE DAY TO THE OTHER AND
  • 00:12:54.060 --> 00:12:55.270
  • THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS ACTUAL
  • 00:12:55.270 --> 00:12:58.040
  • DUCKS IN HIS CELL.
  • 00:12:58.040 --> 00:13:00.020
  • HE COMPLETELY LOST IT.
  • 00:13:00.020 --> 00:13:01.120
  • - ERIC: THOUGHT THERE WERE
  • 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:02.020
  • DUCKS IN HIS CELL?
  • 00:13:02.020 --> 00:13:03.100
  • - CASEY: AND I ACTUALLY TALK
  • 00:13:03.100 --> 00:13:05.100
  • ABOUT THAT IN THE BOOK, BUT SO
  • 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:08.100
  • HERE I AM, AND THERE'S A MOVIE
  • 00:13:08.100 --> 00:13:10.130
  • BEING PLAYED ON MY WALL.
  • 00:13:10.130 --> 00:13:12.120
  • I SEE IT.
  • 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:13.010
  • I'M AWAKE.
  • 00:13:13.010 --> 00:13:14.020
  • I'M NOT UNDER THE INFLUENCE
  • 00:13:14.020 --> 00:13:15.150
  • OF ANY KIND OF DRUG.
  • 00:13:15.150 --> 00:13:16.210
  • I'M ON MY FIVE, AND THIS FILM IS
  • 00:13:16.210 --> 00:13:18.230
  • SHOWING ME MY LIFE BEING PLAYED
  • 00:13:18.230 --> 00:13:20.120
  • BACK FROM WHEN I WAS SMALL, THE
  • 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:23.030
  • FIRST CANDY THAT I STOLE AT A
  • 00:13:23.030 --> 00:13:26.010
  • 7-ELEVEN, AND IT'S VERY--
  • 00:13:26.010 --> 00:13:27.230
  • IT'S AN ORDER.
  • 00:13:27.230 --> 00:13:29.040
  • ALL THE EVENTS ARE IN ORDER.
  • 00:13:29.040 --> 00:13:30.120
  • - ERIC: SO THIS IS NOT
  • 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:31.130
  • IN YOUR MIND?
  • 00:13:31.130 --> 00:13:32.020
  • IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING
  • 00:13:32.020 --> 00:13:33.060
  • PROJECTED ON YOUR WALL?
  • 00:13:33.060 --> 00:13:33.280
  • - CASEY: ON MY WALL, YEAH,
  • 00:13:33.280 --> 00:13:34.220
  • JUST LIKE THAT,
  • 00:13:34.220 --> 00:13:36.010
  • AND THEN IT WOULD STOP,
  • 00:13:36.060 --> 00:13:39.060
  • AND I WOULD SEE A GUY
  • 00:13:39.060 --> 00:13:40.150
  • CARRYING A CROSS, AND CROWDS
  • 00:13:40.150 --> 00:13:43.040
  • AROUND HIM, AND I KNEW THAT
  • 00:13:43.040 --> 00:13:44.130
  • WHOEVER'S CARRYING THIS CROSS,
  • 00:13:44.130 --> 00:13:46.040
  • NOBODY LIKED HIM, AND THE GUY
  • 00:13:46.040 --> 00:13:48.040
  • CARRYING THIS CROSS KEPT
  • 00:13:48.040 --> 00:13:48.250
  • LOOKING AT ME.
  • 00:13:48.250 --> 00:13:51.040
  • I CAN'T SEE HIS FACE, BUT I KNOW
  • 00:13:51.040 --> 00:13:52.270
  • THAT WHOEVER IS CARRYING THIS
  • 00:13:52.270 --> 00:13:54.190
  • CROSS IS LOOKING AT ME.
  • 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:56.160
  • NO ONE HAD EVER EXPLAINED THE
  • 00:13:56.160 --> 00:13:57.070
  • BIBLE TO ME.
  • 00:13:57.070 --> 00:13:58.030
  • I NEVER HAD PICKED UP A BIBLE
  • 00:13:58.030 --> 00:13:58.240
  • BEFORE.
  • 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.060
  • NEVER WENT TO CHURCH.
  • 00:14:00.060 --> 00:14:01.200
  • DID NOT KNOW.
  • 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.110
  • I KNEW ZERO OF CHRISTIANITY.
  • 00:14:03.110 --> 00:14:05.020
  • SO THIS IS BEING PLAYED IN FRONT
  • 00:14:05.020 --> 00:14:05.240
  • OF ME, THEN IT WOULD STOP, AND
  • 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.050
  • IT WOULD GO INTO, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:07.050 --> 00:14:08.280
  • PEOPLE THAT I STABBED,
  • 00:14:08.280 --> 00:14:09.270
  • CARJACKINGS, HOME INVASIONS THAT
  • 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.120
  • I DID THAT I PARTOOK OF, ALL OF
  • 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:15.060
  • THAT, AND IT'S ALL IN ORDER, AND
  • 00:14:15.060 --> 00:14:16.240
  • THEN IT'LL BACK TO THAT SCENE OF
  • 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.200
  • THIS GUY CARRYING THIS CROSS.
  • 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.180
  • - ERIC: WHAT ARE YOU THINKING
  • 00:14:19.180 --> 00:14:20.150
  • WHILE THIS IS HAPPENING?
  • 00:14:20.150 --> 00:14:21.250
  • - CASEY: I'M THINKING AT THE
  • 00:14:21.250 --> 00:14:23.170
  • VERY MOMENT-- AND I'M GLAD THAT
  • 00:14:23.170 --> 00:14:24.120
  • YOU ASKED THAT 'CAUSE, AT THAT
  • 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:25.260
  • VERY MOMENT, I'M THINKING, YOU
  • 00:14:25.260 --> 00:14:27.090
  • KNOW, PIGGY, RIGHT HERE NEXT TO
  • 00:14:27.090 --> 00:14:29.250
  • ME, THINKS HE'S GOT DUCKS IN HIS
  • 00:14:29.250 --> 00:14:31.220
  • CELL, AND I'M WATCHING A MOVIE,
  • 00:14:31.220 --> 00:14:33.050
  • SO IT'S MY TURN.
  • 00:14:33.050 --> 00:14:35.260
  • I'M JUST WAITING FOR SOME
  • 00:14:35.260 --> 00:14:36.160
  • POPCORN-KIND-OF-THING, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:14:36.160 --> 00:14:37.280
  • 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT NORMAL.
  • 00:14:37.280 --> 00:14:39.280
  • AND THEN I SEE THE NAILS COMING
  • 00:14:39.280 --> 00:14:42.010
  • INTO HIS HANDS, HIS FEET, AND A
  • 00:14:42.010 --> 00:14:43.030
  • CROSS BEING RAISED, AND HERE'S
  • 00:14:43.030 --> 00:14:45.010
  • WHAT THAT MOMENT THAT REALLY
  • 00:14:45.010 --> 00:14:47.230
  • CHANGED MY HEART AND MY LIFE AT
  • 00:14:47.230 --> 00:14:49.070
  • THAT TIME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MY
  • 00:14:49.070 --> 00:14:51.100
  • BIRTH NAME IS DARWIN.
  • 00:14:51.160 --> 00:14:54.160
  • "CASEY" IS A NICKNAME THAT I'VE
  • 00:14:54.160 --> 00:14:56.160
  • LIVED FOR SINCE CHILDHOOD, AND
  • 00:14:56.160 --> 00:14:59.010
  • WHEN THE GUY THAT'S CARRYING
  • 00:14:59.010 --> 00:15:01.080
  • THIS CROSS IS HANGING THERE, I
  • 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:04.030
  • COULD HEAR-- I BELIEVE THAT GOD,
  • 00:15:04.030 --> 00:15:06.100
  • WHEN HE WANTS TO GET YOUR
  • 00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:07.200
  • ATTENTION, HE COMES EYE LEVEL TO
  • 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.080
  • THAT HUMAN BEING TO WHERE YOU
  • 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:11.230
  • COULD UNDERSTAND THE GOSPEL IN
  • 00:15:11.230 --> 00:15:13.060
  • HOWEVER HE'S GONNA PRESENT THE
  • 00:15:13.060 --> 00:15:14.050
  • GOSPEL TO YOU, AND, FOR ME,
  • 00:15:14.050 --> 00:15:15.270
  • I KNEW MURDER.
  • 00:15:15.270 --> 00:15:17.240
  • I KNEW THE SOUNDS OF SOMEONE'S
  • 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.070
  • LIFE BEING TAKEN OUT, AND I SEE
  • 00:15:20.070 --> 00:15:23.060
  • HIM, AND HE SAYS TO ME, "DARWIN,
  • 00:15:23.060 --> 00:15:25.140
  • I DID THIS FOR YOU."
  • 00:15:25.140 --> 00:15:27.090
  • AND I SEE HIS FACE
  • 00:15:27.090 --> 00:15:28.140
  • JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST
  • 00:15:28.140 --> 00:15:30.260
  • DROP, AND I CAN HEAR THE SOUND
  • 00:15:30.260 --> 00:15:32.250
  • OF HIS BREATH AUDIBLY IN THE
  • 00:15:32.250 --> 00:15:34.180
  • CELL, COMING OUT, AND THAT'S THE
  • 00:15:34.180 --> 00:15:37.010
  • MOMENT THAT I ACTUALLY GOT IN
  • 00:15:37.010 --> 00:15:39.100
  • THE CENTER OF MY CELL AND
  • 00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:40.120
  • STARTED TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:42.110
  • NO ONE HAD EVER TOLD ME
  • 00:15:42.110 --> 00:15:44.200
  • HOW TO PRAY OR--
  • 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:45.250
  • - ERIC: NOBODY TOLD YOU, YOU
  • 00:15:45.250 --> 00:15:46.160
  • NEED TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS?
  • 00:15:46.160 --> 00:15:47.110
  • - CASEY: NO.
  • 00:15:47.110 --> 00:15:48.060
  • - ERIC: YOU JUST SORT OF-- IT
  • 00:15:48.060 --> 00:15:48.270
  • JUST-- YOU KNEW?
  • 00:15:48.270 --> 00:15:49.230
  • - CASEY: IT JUST-- I KNEW IT IN
  • 00:15:49.230 --> 00:15:51.150
  • MY SPIRIT, UNDERSTANDING IT NOW.
  • 00:15:51.150 --> 00:15:52.210
  • IT JUST BEAR WITNESS IN MY
  • 00:15:52.270 --> 00:15:55.270
  • SPIRIT THAT THIS IS WHAT I
  • 00:15:55.270 --> 00:15:56.250
  • NEEDED TO DO.
  • 00:15:56.250 --> 00:15:57.200
  • AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THAT
  • 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.110
  • MOMENT, I HEARD HIS VOICE AGAIN
  • 00:15:59.150 --> 00:16:02.170
  • AND, AGAIN, AUDIBLY, AND HE SAYS
  • 00:16:02.170 --> 00:16:04.280
  • TO ME, "GO KNOCK ON YOUR GATE,"
  • 00:16:04.290 --> 00:16:07.290
  • WHICH IS MY CELL DOOR, "AND ASK
  • 00:16:07.290 --> 00:16:09.130
  • FOR THE CHAPLAIN."
  • 00:16:09.130 --> 00:16:10.290
  • I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A
  • 00:16:10.290 --> 00:16:11.190
  • "CHAPLAIN" WAS, AND
  • 00:16:11.190 --> 00:16:12.140
  • SO I JUST--
  • 00:16:12.140 --> 00:16:14.000
  • - ERIC: YOU HEAR THE VOICE OF
  • 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.060
  • GOD SAYING, "GO KNOCK ON THE
  • 00:16:16.060 --> 00:16:17.200
  • GATE, AND ASK FOR THE CHAPLAIN,"
  • 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:18.120
  • AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A
  • 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:19.010
  • CHAPLAIN WAS?
  • 00:16:19.010 --> 00:16:19.160
  • - CASEY: I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A
  • 00:16:19.160 --> 00:16:20.120
  • CHAPLAIN WAS, SO I WALKED OVER
  • 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:21.030
  • TO MY GATE.
  • 00:16:21.030 --> 00:16:22.230
  • I KNOCK ON IT, AND, OF COURSE,
  • 00:16:22.230 --> 00:16:24.250
  • THERE'S A GUARD TWO CELLS DOWN,
  • 00:16:24.250 --> 00:16:27.200
  • WALKING, AND SO, BY THE TIME I
  • 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.180
  • GET UP TO GO KNOCK ON MY GATE,
  • 00:16:29.180 --> 00:16:31.040
  • HE'S THERE, AND I ASKED HIM, I
  • 00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:33.090
  • SAID, "I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK YOU
  • 00:16:33.090 --> 00:16:35.070
  • FOR A CHAPLAIN," IN WHICH HE
  • 00:16:35.070 --> 00:16:36.130
  • KIND OF LOOKED PUZZLED.
  • 00:16:36.130 --> 00:16:38.200
  • YOU KNOW, HE SAYS, "ARE YOU
  • 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.050
  • PULLING SOME--" YOU KNOW, HE
  • 00:16:40.050 --> 00:16:41.280
  • USED SOME COLORFUL LANGUAGE.
  • 00:16:41.280 --> 00:16:43.110
  • I SAID, "I'M JUST SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:16:44.130 --> 00:16:47.130
  • ASK YOU FOR THE CHAPLAIN."
  • 00:16:47.130 --> 00:16:48.120
  • AND HE SAID, "ARE YOU SERIOUS?"
  • 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:49.060
  • I SAID, "YEAH."
  • 00:16:49.060 --> 00:16:49.230
  • AND THE NEXT THING
  • 00:16:49.230 --> 00:16:50.260
  • I KNOW, LATER ON THAT WEEK,
  • 00:16:50.260 --> 00:16:52.110
  • I'M SITTING WITH THIS
  • 00:16:52.110 --> 00:16:53.270
  • CHAPLAIN, AND I EXPLAINED TO HIM
  • 00:16:53.270 --> 00:16:55.190
  • IN DETAIL EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED
  • 00:16:55.190 --> 00:16:57.040
  • IN THAT CELL.
  • 00:16:57.040 --> 00:16:59.050
  • - ERIC: DIDN'T THEY FEAR FOR
  • 00:16:59.050 --> 00:16:59.260
  • THE CHAPLAIN'S LIFE?
  • 00:16:59.260 --> 00:17:00.170
  • I MEAN, YOU'RE SO VIOLENT.
  • 00:17:00.170 --> 00:17:01.220
  • HOW DO YOU--
  • 00:17:01.220 --> 00:17:02.170
  • - CASEY: I'M IN RESTRAINTS.
  • 00:17:02.170 --> 00:17:03.170
  • - ERIC: YOU'RE IN RESTRAINTS.
  • 00:17:03.170 --> 00:17:04.080
  • - CASEY: I'M IN RESTRAINTS, AND
  • 00:17:04.080 --> 00:17:05.060
  • SO HE'S SITTING PROBABLY ABOUT
  • 00:17:05.060 --> 00:17:07.270
  • SAME DISTANCE THAT WE ARE RIGHT
  • 00:17:07.270 --> 00:17:09.060
  • NOW, AND I SHARE THE STORY OF
  • 00:17:09.060 --> 00:17:11.020
  • WHAT HAD JUST TAKEN PLACE A FEW
  • 00:17:11.020 --> 00:17:13.230
  • DAYS AGO, AND I NOTICED THAT HE
  • 00:17:13.230 --> 00:17:15.230
  • STARTS TO GET REALLY TEARY-EYED,
  • 00:17:15.230 --> 00:17:17.180
  • AND HIS BOTTOM LIP STARTS TO
  • 00:17:17.180 --> 00:17:19.150
  • SHAKE, AND HE'S OPENING UP HIS
  • 00:17:19.150 --> 00:17:21.160
  • BIBLE, AND HE STARTS TO READ THE
  • 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.000
  • CRUCIFIXION, HIM WALKING
  • 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:25.250
  • TO GOLGOTHA, AND THE
  • 00:17:25.250 --> 00:17:28.250
  • WHOLE NINE YARDS, AND WHEN HE
  • 00:17:28.250 --> 00:17:30.080
  • STARTS TO READ THAT, WE
  • 00:17:30.130 --> 00:17:33.130
  • BOTH-- I MEAN, WE BOTH BROKE.
  • 00:17:33.130 --> 00:17:34.250
  • THERE WAS A LOT OF TEARS SHED
  • 00:17:34.250 --> 00:17:37.240
  • RIGHT IN THAT MOMENT BECAUSE I
  • 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:39.190
  • KNEW THAT THAT'S I HAD SEEN, AND
  • 00:17:39.190 --> 00:17:41.250
  • THEN TO SEE IT IN A BOOK, IN THE
  • 00:17:41.250 --> 00:17:44.190
  • BIBLE, AND, I MEAN, NOBODY HAD
  • 00:17:44.190 --> 00:17:46.260
  • EVER TOLD ME THAT.
  • 00:17:46.260 --> 00:17:47.180
  • YOU KNOW, FRANCES PROCTOR WAS
  • 00:17:47.180 --> 00:17:49.100
  • JUST COMING IN THERE WITH JUST,
  • 00:17:49.100 --> 00:17:51.030
  • YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGEMENT,
  • 00:17:51.030 --> 00:17:52.150
  • "I'M PRAYING FOR YOU."
  • 00:17:52.150 --> 00:17:54.060
  • - ERIC: YOU MEAN, THIS LITTLE
  • 00:17:54.060 --> 00:17:54.270
  • BLACK WOMAN, ONCE A MONTH, FOR A
  • 00:17:54.270 --> 00:17:56.050
  • FEW MINUTES, SHE DIDN'T
  • 00:17:56.050 --> 00:17:57.060
  • GET TO SHARE--
  • 00:17:57.060 --> 00:17:58.130
  • - CASEY: SHE DIDN'T GET TO
  • 00:17:58.130 --> 00:17:59.030
  • REALLY TELL ME--
  • 00:17:59.030 --> 00:18:00.240
  • - ERIC: THIS KIND OF STUFF?
  • 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:01.140
  • - CASEY: YEAH.
  • 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:02.080
  • - ERIC: SO THIS IS THE FIRST
  • 00:18:02.080 --> 00:18:02.290
  • YOU'RE HEARING IT, AND YOU
  • 00:18:02.290 --> 00:18:03.180
  • SUDDENLY REALIZE IT'S REAL,
  • 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:04.100
  • IT'S THE BIBLE?
  • 00:18:04.100 --> 00:18:05.060
  • - CASEY: IT'S REAL.
  • 00:18:05.060 --> 00:18:05.220
  • IT'S THE BIBLE.
  • 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:06.070
  • IT'S THERE, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:18:06.070 --> 00:18:07.060
  • SO HE EXPLAINS THAT TO ME,
  • 00:18:07.060 --> 00:18:09.170
  • AND I'M GIVEN PERMISSION TO TAKE
  • 00:18:09.170 --> 00:18:11.140
  • BACK A BIBLE THAT HE GIVES ME.
  • 00:18:11.140 --> 00:18:13.180
  • IT WAS A LITTLE GIDEON BIBLE,
  • 00:18:13.180 --> 00:18:14.270
  • AND SO IF I'M AWAKE IN THAT
  • 00:18:14.270 --> 00:18:17.200
  • CELL, I'M READING IT.
  • 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.190
  • I'D READ IT AND READ IT
  • 00:18:19.190 --> 00:18:22.120
  • AND READ IT.
  • 00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:23.290
  • - ERIC: YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE
  • 00:18:23.290 --> 00:18:24.210
  • THREE YEARS UP TO THIS POINT,
  • 00:18:24.210 --> 00:18:25.120
  • YOU SAID?
  • 00:18:25.120 --> 00:18:25.290
  • - CASEY: YEAH.
  • 00:18:25.290 --> 00:18:26.130
  • - CASEY: SO HERE COMES THIS
  • 00:18:29.220 --> 00:18:30.120
  • VOICE AGAIN.
  • 00:18:30.120 --> 00:18:31.200
  • - ERIC: REALLY?
  • 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:32.080
  • - CASEY: AND THIS VOICE AGAIN,
  • 00:18:32.080 --> 00:18:33.000
  • AND IT'S GOD'S VOICE,
  • 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:34.040
  • AND THIS VOICE OF GOD IS AUDIBLY
  • 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:39.010
  • AGAIN, AND HE SAYS, "WHEN YOU
  • 00:18:39.010 --> 00:18:41.090
  • GET OUT OF HERE, YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:18:41.090 --> 00:18:43.120
  • GRAB YOUR 'HOMEBOYS,' OR YOUR
  • 00:18:43.220 --> 00:18:46.220
  • GANG LEADERS, AND YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:48.050
  • LET 'EM KNOW THAT YOU WANT
  • 00:18:48.050 --> 00:18:50.080
  • NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ANYMORE,
  • 00:18:50.080 --> 00:18:52.080
  • THAT YOU'RE NOW A CHRISTIAN."
  • 00:18:52.080 --> 00:18:53.010
  • I WAS TOLD BY THE
  • 00:18:53.010 --> 00:18:54.160
  • GANG COORDINATOR AND
  • 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:55.040
  • THE WARDEN THAT I WOULD
  • 00:18:55.040 --> 00:18:56.170
  • SPEND MY ENTIRE SENTENCE IN
  • 00:18:56.170 --> 00:18:58.210
  • SOLITARY, THAT I WOULD PAROLE
  • 00:18:58.210 --> 00:19:00.110
  • FROM THERE, SO I THOUGHT, "OKAY,
  • 00:19:00.110 --> 00:19:02.110
  • WELL, WHEN I PAROLE, THIS IS
  • 00:19:02.110 --> 00:19:03.270
  • WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO."
  • 00:19:03.270 --> 00:19:04.240
  • TO MY SURPRISE,
  • 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:05.290
  • HERE COMES THE WARDEN
  • 00:19:05.290 --> 00:19:08.010
  • AND THE GANG COORDINATOR, ALONG
  • 00:19:08.010 --> 00:19:09.070
  • WITH OTHER GUARDS, AND THEY'RE
  • 00:19:09.070 --> 00:19:11.030
  • GONNA PUT ME INTO MAINLINE, INTO
  • 00:19:11.030 --> 00:19:13.180
  • REGULAR POPULATION.
  • 00:19:13.180 --> 00:19:15.220
  • - ERIC: WHICH IS A HUGE
  • 00:19:15.220 --> 00:19:16.140
  • STEP AT THIS POINT.
  • 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:17.050
  • - CASEY: YEAH.
  • 00:19:17.050 --> 00:19:17.210
  • - ERIC: WOW, AND DO
  • 00:19:17.210 --> 00:19:18.290
  • YOU KNOW WHY?
  • 00:19:18.290 --> 00:19:20.110
  • - CASEY: I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:19:20.110 --> 00:19:21.190
  • TO THIS DAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:19:21.190 --> 00:19:22.180
  • - ERIC: TO THIS DAY, YOU
  • 00:19:22.180 --> 00:19:23.070
  • DON'T KNOW WHY?
  • 00:19:23.070 --> 00:19:23.210
  • - CASEY: I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT
  • 00:19:23.210 --> 00:19:24.270
  • I KNOW THAT IT WAS
  • 00:19:24.270 --> 00:19:25.120
  • ORDAINED BY GOD.
  • 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:27.070
  • I GO OUT TO THE YARD, AND I
  • 00:19:27.070 --> 00:19:28.270
  • STAND ON THIS CONCRETE PICNIC
  • 00:19:28.270 --> 00:19:30.270
  • BENCH IN THE YARD.
  • 00:19:30.270 --> 00:19:32.260
  • THERE'S SEVERAL GANG LEADERS
  • 00:19:32.260 --> 00:19:35.120
  • THERE WITH ME, AND I TELL THEM,
  • 00:19:35.120 --> 00:19:37.070
  • WORD FOR WORD, WHAT I HAD HEARD,
  • 00:19:37.070 --> 00:19:39.030
  • THAT I DIDN'T WANT ANY PART OF
  • 00:19:39.030 --> 00:19:41.100
  • THIS ANYMORE AND THAT I WAS A
  • 00:19:41.100 --> 00:19:42.240
  • CHRISTIAN, AND IMMEDIATELY,
  • 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.250
  • THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO
  • 00:19:44.250 --> 00:19:46.030
  • WORDS EXCHANGED.
  • 00:19:46.030 --> 00:19:47.140
  • THEY SIMPLY TURNED AROUND AND
  • 00:19:47.140 --> 00:19:49.000
  • WALKED AWAY, WHICH I KNEW
  • 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:50.040
  • WHAT THAT MEANT.
  • 00:19:50.040 --> 00:19:51.180
  • - ERIC: IT MEANS,
  • 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:52.140
  • "YOU'RE DEAD"?
  • 00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:52.270
  • - CASEY: YEAH 'CAUSE--
  • 00:19:52.270 --> 00:19:53.260
  • - ERIC: REALLY?
  • 00:19:53.260 --> 00:19:54.180
  • - CASEY: -- YOU DON'T STEP DOWN
  • 00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:55.100
  • FROM THAT KIND OF STATUS AND
  • 00:19:55.100 --> 00:19:57.010
  • NOTHING HAPPEN TO YOU, SO A HIT
  • 00:19:57.260 --> 00:20:00.260
  • WAS PLACED ON MY LIFE FROM
  • 00:20:00.260 --> 00:20:01.220
  • THAT MOMENT ON.
  • 00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:02.170
  • - ERIC: NOW, DID YOU KNOW THAT
  • 00:20:02.170 --> 00:20:03.090
  • WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE YOU
  • 00:20:03.090 --> 00:20:04.010
  • SAID THIS?
  • 00:20:04.010 --> 00:20:04.190
  • - CASEY: I KNEW THAT, YEAH.
  • 00:20:04.190 --> 00:20:05.260
  • - ERIC: YOU KNEW IT.
  • 00:20:05.260 --> 00:20:06.130
  • - CASEY: YEAH.
  • 00:20:06.130 --> 00:20:06.270
  • - ERIC: SO WHAT GAVE YOU THE
  • 00:20:06.270 --> 00:20:07.180
  • COURAGE TO GET UP THERE
  • 00:20:07.180 --> 00:20:08.120
  • AND DO THAT?
  • 00:20:08.120 --> 00:20:09.040
  • - CASEY: YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN
  • 00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:10.230
  • LOOK AT IT AS COURAGE.
  • 00:20:10.230 --> 00:20:11.230
  • I JUST FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS.
  • 00:20:11.230 --> 00:20:12.210
  • THAT'S HOW I SEE IT.
  • 00:20:13.150 --> 00:20:16.150
  • YOU HEAR GOD'S VOICE,
  • 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:17.280
  • AND YOU JUST DO IT.
  • 00:20:17.280 --> 00:20:19.270
  • - ERIC: BECAUSE YOU KNOW
  • 00:20:19.270 --> 00:20:20.160
  • IT'S GOD'S VOICE?
  • 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:21.040
  • - CASEY: BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S
  • 00:20:21.040 --> 00:20:22.000
  • GOD'S VOICE, AND I WASN'T
  • 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.150
  • THINKING, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:20:23.150 --> 00:20:25.160
  • CONSEQUENCES OR ANYTHING
  • 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:26.080
  • LIKE THAT.
  • 00:20:26.080 --> 00:20:27.170
  • I JUST KNEW I HAD TO DO IT, SO I
  • 00:20:27.170 --> 00:20:29.030
  • DID, AND USUALLY HITS ARE DONE
  • 00:20:29.030 --> 00:20:30.210
  • IN THE MORNING WHEN THE CELL
  • 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:32.240
  • RACKS OPEN, SO THAT WAS A LONG
  • 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.120
  • NIGHT, AND I KNEW THAT THEY
  • 00:20:35.120 --> 00:20:37.010
  • WANTED TO GET RID OF-- THERE'S A
  • 00:20:37.010 --> 00:20:38.110
  • WORD THAT WE CALL IN THERE: IT'S
  • 00:20:38.110 --> 00:20:39.040
  • CALLED "TAKING OUT THE TRASH."
  • 00:20:39.040 --> 00:20:40.250
  • THAT MEANS WHEN SOMEBODY GOES
  • 00:20:40.250 --> 00:20:42.230
  • BAD OR SOMEBODY TURNS, YOU TAKE
  • 00:20:42.230 --> 00:20:44.060
  • OUT THE TRASH.
  • 00:20:44.060 --> 00:20:45.050
  • THEY SEND SOMEBODY TO TAKE OUT
  • 00:20:45.050 --> 00:20:46.030
  • THE TRASH, SO I'M THE TRASH AT
  • 00:20:46.030 --> 00:20:47.130
  • THIS POINT, SO THEY SEND
  • 00:20:47.130 --> 00:20:49.090
  • ONE THEM, MY VERY OWN,
  • 00:20:49.090 --> 00:20:50.140
  • TO DO THE DEED.
  • 00:20:50.140 --> 00:20:51.290
  • IT WAS A LONG NIGHT.
  • 00:20:51.290 --> 00:20:53.010
  • I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND
  • 00:20:53.010 --> 00:20:54.090
  • TELL YOU THAT.
  • 00:20:54.090 --> 00:20:54.280
  • YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GET
  • 00:20:54.280 --> 00:20:56.030
  • STABBED TO DEATH.
  • 00:20:56.030 --> 00:20:57.030
  • YOU KNOW THAT.
  • 00:20:57.030 --> 00:20:58.150
  • SO I PRAYED.
  • 00:20:58.150 --> 00:21:01.170
  • I REMEMBER I HAD TOLD GOD THAT I
  • 00:21:01.170 --> 00:21:02.250
  • WOULDN'T PUT MY HANDS ON ANYBODY
  • 00:21:02.250 --> 00:21:05.090
  • ANYMORE AND THAT I WAS JUST
  • 00:21:05.090 --> 00:21:07.040
  • GONNA-- IN MY HEART, I HAD
  • 00:21:07.040 --> 00:21:08.230
  • DECIDED NOT TO EVEN LOOK AT THEM
  • 00:21:08.230 --> 00:21:11.140
  • SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T FEEL
  • 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:13.190
  • GUILTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
  • 00:21:13.190 --> 00:21:14.110
  • I JUST WANTED TO GET IT OVER
  • 00:21:14.110 --> 00:21:15.140
  • WITH AND DONE WITH, SO I PRAYED
  • 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:16.220
  • THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT.
  • 00:21:16.220 --> 00:21:18.200
  • I REMEMBER, IN THE MORNING, I
  • 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.170
  • HAD MY BIBLE, AND I HAD
  • 00:21:20.170 --> 00:21:21.240
  • IT ON MY SIDE.
  • 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:24.220
  • I SAT IN THE CORNER OF THE BED
  • 00:21:24.220 --> 00:21:25.130
  • OF MY BUNK, AND HERE THEY COME.
  • 00:21:25.130 --> 00:21:28.030
  • I THOUGHT THE FIRST GUY THAT
  • 00:21:28.030 --> 00:21:31.000
  • CAME IN, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:33.040
  • THERE'S GOTTA BE MORE PEOPLE
  • 00:21:33.040 --> 00:21:34.100
  • COMING IN THERE WITH HIM, AND I
  • 00:21:34.100 --> 00:21:35.230
  • REMEMBER HIM TELLING ME,
  • 00:21:35.230 --> 00:21:37.200
  • "I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT."
  • 00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:40.230
  • AND I'M THINKING,
  • 00:21:40.230 --> 00:21:42.090
  • "THIS IS IT," YOU KNOW,
  • 00:21:42.090 --> 00:21:43.120
  • "HERE WE GO."
  • 00:21:43.120 --> 00:21:44.270
  • - ERIC: SO YOU CAN
  • 00:21:44.270 --> 00:21:45.130
  • SEE THE SHANK?
  • 00:21:45.130 --> 00:21:46.100
  • - CASEY: OH, YEAH, I CAN SEE
  • 00:21:46.100 --> 00:21:47.010
  • IT, YEAH, AND I'M
  • 00:21:47.010 --> 00:21:47.240
  • FACING MY WALL.
  • 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:48.080
  • - ERIC: HE SAYS TO YOU,
  • 00:21:48.080 --> 00:21:49.010
  • "I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT"?
  • 00:21:49.010 --> 00:21:50.040
  • - CASEY: YEAH, AND HE SAYS TO
  • 00:21:50.040 --> 00:21:51.110
  • ME, "BECAUSE I CAN'T DO THIS."
  • 00:21:51.150 --> 00:21:54.150
  • - ERIC: "BECAUSE I
  • 00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:55.010
  • CAN'T DO THIS"?
  • 00:21:55.010 --> 00:21:55.160
  • HE SAYS THIS TO YOU?
  • 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:56.250
  • - CASEY: "I CAN'T DO THIS,"
  • 00:21:56.250 --> 00:21:57.150
  • YEAH, AND HE BECOMES THE FIRST
  • 00:21:57.150 --> 00:21:58.210
  • GUY THAT I LEAD TO THE LORD.
  • 00:21:58.210 --> 00:22:00.170
  • - ERIC: YOU KNEW THIS GUY?
  • 00:22:01.060 --> 00:22:04.060
  • HE WAS-- WAS HE PART
  • 00:22:04.060 --> 00:22:05.130
  • OF YOUR GANG?
  • 00:22:05.130 --> 00:22:05.290
  • - CASEY: YEAH.
  • 00:22:05.290 --> 00:22:08.120
  • - ERIC: HE COMES IN THERE TO
  • 00:22:08.120 --> 00:22:09.170
  • KILL YOU, AND HE SAYS,
  • 00:22:09.170 --> 00:22:11.160
  • "I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT BECAUSE
  • 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:12.110
  • I CAN'T DO THIS"?
  • 00:22:12.110 --> 00:22:13.180
  • WHAT HAPPENS?
  • 00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:16.020
  • - CASEY: I LEAD HIM TO THE
  • 00:22:16.020 --> 00:22:17.250
  • LORD AND--
  • 00:22:17.250 --> 00:22:19.000
  • - ERIC: RIGHT THERE?
  • 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:19.170
  • - CASEY: YEAH.
  • 00:22:19.170 --> 00:22:20.290
  • - ERIC: NOW, I WOULD THINK
  • 00:22:20.290 --> 00:22:22.000
  • THAT, IN THE PRISON WORLD,
  • 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.150
  • THEY'RE GONNA PUT A HIT OUT ON
  • 00:22:23.150 --> 00:22:24.150
  • HIS LIFE, AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT
  • 00:22:24.150 --> 00:22:25.130
  • SOMEBODY ELSE TO KILL YOU.
  • 00:22:25.130 --> 00:22:26.120
  • SO I MEAN, WHAT
  • 00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:26.270
  • HAPPENS THAT DAY?
  • 00:22:26.270 --> 00:22:27.250
  • - CASEY: WELL, FOR SEVERAL
  • 00:22:31.110 --> 00:22:32.010
  • YEARS, TWO YEARS, ACTUALLY,
  • 00:22:32.010 --> 00:22:32.210
  • THERE'S THESE LITTLE NOTES THAT
  • 00:22:32.210 --> 00:22:35.150
  • WE USED TO WRITE WHEN WE
  • 00:22:35.150 --> 00:22:37.090
  • WOULD PUT A HIT OR WE NEEDED
  • 00:22:37.090 --> 00:22:39.010
  • SOMETHING TO BE MOVED FROM ONE
  • 00:22:39.010 --> 00:22:40.080
  • THEY WERE CALLED "KITES," AND SO
  • 00:22:43.010 --> 00:22:44.020
  • I STARTED TO USE THAT SYSTEM TO
  • 00:22:44.020 --> 00:22:46.060
  • WITNESS TO OTHER GANG LEADERS IN
  • 00:22:46.060 --> 00:22:48.100
  • THERE, AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT,
  • 00:22:48.100 --> 00:22:49.250
  • ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF
  • 00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:52.000
  • MS-13 CAME TO CHRIST THROUGH ONE
  • 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.090
  • OF THOSE KITES, AND THEN ANOTHER
  • 00:22:54.090 --> 00:22:56.280
  • GANG LEADER FROM A GANG IN
  • 00:22:56.280 --> 00:22:59.040
  • SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES
  • 00:22:59.040 --> 00:23:00.050
  • CAME TO CHRIST.
  • 00:23:00.050 --> 00:23:02.020
  • SO THERE WAS ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE
  • 00:23:02.020 --> 00:23:03.070
  • OF US THAT STARTED TO REALLY
  • 00:23:03.070 --> 00:23:05.160
  • WITNESS OUT THERE, AND WE WERE
  • 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.220
  • GOING THROUGH THE RINGER FOR TWO
  • 00:23:06.220 --> 00:23:08.260
  • YEARS, BUT AFTER THOSE TWO
  • 00:23:08.260 --> 00:23:10.210
  • YEARS, OVER 200 INMATES AT NEW
  • 00:23:10.210 --> 00:23:13.020
  • FOLSOM STATE PRISON CAME TO
  • 00:23:13.020 --> 00:23:14.140
  • CHRIST, AND THERE WAS A BIG
  • 00:23:14.140 --> 00:23:16.030
  • CELEBRATION THAT TOOK PLACE
  • 00:23:16.030 --> 00:23:18.200
  • IN THAT PRISON.
  • 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.140
  • - ERIC: THIS IS JUST AMAZING.
  • 00:23:21.140 --> 00:23:23.030
  • I'M AMAZED I HAVE NOT HEARD THIS
  • 00:23:23.030 --> 00:23:24.000
  • STORY 'CAUSE THIS IS LIKE-- TO
  • 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:25.140
  • ME, THIS IS NATIONAL NEWS.
  • 00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:27.120
  • LET ME ASK YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT
  • 00:23:27.120 --> 00:23:29.220
  • HARD CANDY, WHATEVER.
  • 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:31.180
  • WHAT WAS-- WHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:23:31.180 --> 00:23:33.210
  • YOU SAID THAT THERE'S A--
  • 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:34.210
  • - CASEY: WELL, WE WOULD GET
  • 00:23:34.210 --> 00:23:36.160
  • JUMPED, YOU KNOW, WALKING TO
  • 00:23:36.250 --> 00:23:39.250
  • WHATEVER, AN APPOINTMENT OR ON
  • 00:23:39.250 --> 00:23:41.170
  • THE YARD OR TO CHOW, AND THE
  • 00:23:41.170 --> 00:23:44.100
  • NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THERE'S 20,
  • 00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:46.250
  • 40 INMATES ON TOP OF YOU,
  • 00:23:46.250 --> 00:23:49.000
  • BEATING YOU, OR THEY'LL WALK
  • 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:51.040
  • INTO YOUR CELL AND DO THAT.
  • 00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:52.100
  • - ERIC: AND WHEN DID THIS
  • 00:23:52.100 --> 00:23:52.290
  • HAPPEN TO YOU?
  • 00:23:52.290 --> 00:23:53.220
  • - CASEY: OH, A COUNTLESS AMOUNT
  • 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:55.000
  • OF TIMES THROUGHOUT THOSE TWO
  • 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:56.120
  • YEARS, AND IT'S BY GOD'S GRACE
  • 00:23:56.120 --> 00:23:58.040
  • THAT EVER MADE IT OUT FOR PAROLE
  • 00:23:58.040 --> 00:23:58.270
  • AND MADE IT OUT HERE.
  • 00:23:58.270 --> 00:24:01.150
  • - ERIC: HOW DO YOU COME UP FOR
  • 00:24:01.150 --> 00:24:03.090
  • PAROLE AT THIS POINT?
  • 00:24:03.090 --> 00:24:04.210
  • - CASEY: CAME UP FOR PAROLE ON
  • 00:24:04.210 --> 00:24:06.040
  • THIS PARTICULAR MORNING.
  • 00:24:06.040 --> 00:24:07.130
  • I DIDN'T KNOW THAT-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:24:07.130 --> 00:24:09.100
  • IT WAS JUST, TO ME, IT WAS JUST
  • 00:24:09.100 --> 00:24:10.270
  • ANOTHER PAROLE DATE.
  • 00:24:10.270 --> 00:24:12.130
  • YOU KNOW, YOU GO EVERY YEAR.
  • 00:24:12.130 --> 00:24:13.090
  • SOME OF US GO EVERY THREE YEARS,
  • 00:24:13.090 --> 00:24:15.150
  • SOME OF US EVERY SEVEN YEARS,
  • 00:24:15.150 --> 00:24:17.150
  • SO, TO ME, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T--
  • 00:24:17.150 --> 00:24:19.260
  • I HAD NO EXPECTATIONS OF GETTING
  • 00:24:19.260 --> 00:24:21.050
  • OUT ANYTIME SOON, BUT AT THE
  • 00:24:21.050 --> 00:24:22.130
  • MOMENT THAT I GOT PAROLED, IT
  • 00:24:22.130 --> 00:24:25.120
  • WAS A SURE SURPRISE.
  • 00:24:25.120 --> 00:24:28.030
  • IN FACT, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS
  • 00:24:28.030 --> 00:24:30.040
  • THAT ONE OF THE MEMBERS SAID
  • 00:24:30.040 --> 00:24:32.050
  • WAS, YOU KNOW, "WHY SHOULD WE
  • 00:24:32.050 --> 00:24:33.140
  • LET YOU OUT?"
  • 00:24:33.140 --> 00:24:34.260
  • AND MY RESPONSE WAS,
  • 00:24:34.260 --> 00:24:35.290
  • "YOU SHOULDN'T.
  • 00:24:35.290 --> 00:24:37.290
  • I DESERVE EVERY MINUTE THAT I
  • 00:24:37.290 --> 00:24:39.290
  • HAVE IN HERE ORDERED
  • 00:24:39.290 --> 00:24:41.080
  • BY THE COURT.
  • 00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:42.060
  • IN FACT, I THINK THAT I
  • 00:24:42.060 --> 00:24:43.250
  • SHOULD'VE BEEN DEALT A STRONGER,
  • 00:24:44.100 --> 00:24:47.100
  • AND A BIGGER SENTENCE SHOULD'VE
  • 00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:50.280
  • BEEN GIVEN TO ME, SO I DON'T
  • 00:24:50.280 --> 00:24:52.110
  • DESERVE FREEDOM AT ALL, AND I'M
  • 00:24:52.110 --> 00:24:54.170
  • OKAY WITH THAT."
  • 00:24:54.170 --> 00:24:56.260
  • AND THAT IS THE MOMENT
  • 00:24:56.260 --> 00:24:59.080
  • THAT I WAS GRANTED PAROLE.
  • 00:25:00.100 --> 00:25:03.100
  • - ERIC: DID THEY KNOW
  • 00:25:03.100 --> 00:25:04.190
  • YOUR STORY?
  • 00:25:04.190 --> 00:25:06.120
  • I GUESS THEY HAD BEEN WATCHING
  • 00:25:06.120 --> 00:25:07.040
  • WHAT'S HAPPENING?
  • 00:25:07.040 --> 00:25:07.270
  • - CASEY: THEY HAD WATCHED.
  • 00:25:07.270 --> 00:25:08.200
  • THEY HAD SEEN-- YOU KNOW, PRISON
  • 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:10.060
  • GUARDS HAD SEEN THERE WAS RIOTS
  • 00:25:10.060 --> 00:25:11.210
  • THAT HAPPENED.
  • 00:25:11.210 --> 00:25:13.030
  • I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY STORIES
  • 00:25:13.030 --> 00:25:13.280
  • THAT I SHARE IN THERE--
  • 00:25:13.280 --> 00:25:16.040
  • - ERIC: THERE IN THE BOOK?
  • 00:25:16.040 --> 00:25:16.240
  • - CASEY: YEAH, THAT GOD JUST--
  • 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:17.180
  • HIS SUPERNATURAL HAND UPON MY
  • 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:20.010
  • LIFE, IT WAS JUST ONE MIRACLE
  • 00:25:20.010 --> 00:25:21.150
  • AFTER THE OTHER.
  • 00:25:21.150 --> 00:25:24.020
  • - ERIC: SO YOU GET OUT,
  • 00:25:24.020 --> 00:25:25.100
  • AND NOW WHAT?
  • 00:25:25.100 --> 00:25:26.200
  • YOU GET OUT TO WHAT?
  • 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:27.100
  • - CASEY: I GET OUT TO NOTHING
  • 00:25:29.180 --> 00:25:30.090
  • BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING.
  • 00:25:30.090 --> 00:25:30.270
  • SO I MOVED OUT TO A LITTLE TOWN
  • 00:25:30.270 --> 00:25:32.060
  • IN CALIFORNIA, WHERE I DIDN'T
  • 00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:35.140
  • I LOOKED OUT FOR A CHURCH.
  • 00:25:39.280 --> 00:25:40.220
  • I SOUGHT A CHURCH.
  • 00:25:40.220 --> 00:25:42.240
  • I FINALLY FOUND ONE AND GOT
  • 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:45.150
  • PLUGGED IN.
  • 00:25:45.150 --> 00:25:46.150
  • FRANCES PROCTOR WAS
  • 00:25:46.150 --> 00:25:48.040
  • STILL WITH ME.
  • 00:25:48.040 --> 00:25:49.260
  • - ERIC: SEE, THAT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:25:49.260 --> 00:25:50.170
  • THIS WOMAN IS THE HERO.
  • 00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:51.150
  • IT WAS HER PRAYERS.
  • 00:25:51.150 --> 00:25:53.050
  • I MEAN, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
  • 00:25:53.050 --> 00:25:53.240
  • LIKE, THAT'S THE
  • 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:54.260
  • POWER OF PRAYER.
  • 00:25:54.260 --> 00:25:55.150
  • THAT'S AN ENCOURAGEMENT
  • 00:25:55.150 --> 00:25:56.240
  • TO ME, WOW.
  • 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.100
  • SO YOU STAYED IN TOUCH WITH HER?
  • 00:25:58.100 --> 00:26:00.100
  • - CASEY: YEAH, AND, IN FACT,
  • 00:26:00.100 --> 00:26:02.110
  • THAT WHOLE PRISON MINISTRY THAT
  • 00:26:02.110 --> 00:26:03.250
  • WOULD GO THERE WAS AT MY WEDDING
  • 00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:06.100
  • WHEN I GOT MARRIED.
  • 00:26:06.100 --> 00:26:08.160
  • THEY WERE ALL INVITED, AND WE'VE
  • 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:09.180
  • JUST FINISHED CELEBRATING OUR
  • 00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:10.180
  • 20TH-YEAR ANNIVERSARY AND
  • 00:26:10.180 --> 00:26:12.160
  • THREE KIDS LATER.
  • 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:15.110
  • - ERIC: THREE KIDS LATER?
  • 00:26:15.110 --> 00:26:16.160
  • - CASEY: YEAH, I HAVE TWO
  • 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:17.170
  • DAUGHTERS AND ONE SON.
  • 00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:18.150
  • - ERIC: YEAH, YOUR LIFE REALLY
  • 00:26:18.150 --> 00:26:19.280
  • COULDN'T BE MORE DIFFERENT.
  • 00:26:19.280 --> 00:26:20.200
  • WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING
  • 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:21.280
  • ALL THIS TIME NOW?
  • 00:26:21.280 --> 00:26:23.100
  • IT'S BEEN OVER 20 YEARS
  • 00:26:23.100 --> 00:26:24.020
  • SINCE YOU GOT OUT.
  • 00:26:24.020 --> 00:26:25.020
  • - CASEY: I'VE BEEN PASTORING,
  • 00:26:25.030 --> 00:26:28.030
  • FOR THE MOST PART.
  • 00:26:28.030 --> 00:26:28.260
  • I STARTED IN YOUTH, AS A YOUTH
  • 00:26:28.260 --> 00:26:30.290
  • PASTOR, THEN AS A YOUNG-ADULTS
  • 00:26:30.290 --> 00:26:33.060
  • PASTOR, AND THEN I PLANTED A
  • 00:26:33.060 --> 00:26:35.060
  • CHURCH, AND THEN I MERGED THAT
  • 00:26:35.060 --> 00:26:36.290
  • CHURCH WITH A FOURSQUARE CHURCH
  • 00:26:36.290 --> 00:26:39.020
  • IN BURBANK, AND SO I'VE BEEN A--
  • 00:26:39.020 --> 00:26:40.250
  • I'M A COMMUNITY PASTOR
  • 00:26:40.250 --> 00:26:41.240
  • THERE RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.290
  • - ERIC: WOW, THE BOOK IS CALLED
  • 00:26:43.290 --> 00:26:44.210
  • "THE SHOT CALLER."
  • 00:26:44.210 --> 00:26:45.150
  • IT SOUNDS LIKE GOD
  • 00:26:45.150 --> 00:26:46.120
  • IS THE SHOT CALLER
  • 00:26:46.120 --> 00:26:47.220
  • AT THIS POINT.
  • 00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:48.130
  • - CASEY: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:26:48.130 --> 00:26:49.040
  • - ERIC: IS THAT TRUE?
  • 00:26:49.040 --> 00:26:49.210
  • IS THAT AT THE END OF THE BOOK?
  • 00:26:49.210 --> 00:26:50.130
  • I MEAN--
  • 00:26:50.130 --> 00:26:50.230
  • - CASEY: YES, THAT'S THE REASON
  • 00:26:50.230 --> 00:26:51.170
  • WHY THE REAL NAME-- IT SAYS,
  • 00:26:51.290 --> 00:26:54.290
  • "ULTIMATELY, GOD IS THE ULTIMATE
  • 00:26:54.290 --> 00:26:55.210
  • SHOT CALLER."
  • 00:26:55.210 --> 00:26:56.080
  • HE'S THE ONE THAT DECIDES.
  • 00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:57.190
  • HE'S THE LIFE-GIVER, MAN, AND,
  • 00:26:57.190 --> 00:26:58.200
  • AND HE'S THE ONE THAT DIRECTS
  • 00:26:58.200 --> 00:26:59.290
  • OUR PATH, ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:26:59.290 --> 00:27:02.050
  • - ERIC: HE'S THE ONE THAT
  • 00:27:02.050 --> 00:27:03.010
  • WRITES OUR NAMES DOWN SOMEPLACE.
  • 00:27:03.010 --> 00:27:05.040
  • WOW, CASEY DIAZ, JUST, REALLY,
  • 00:27:05.040 --> 00:27:07.120
  • A PRIVILEGE TO SIT WITH YOU.
  • 00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:09.020
  • THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THANK YOU
  • 00:27:09.020 --> 00:27:10.230
  • FOR YOUR OBEDIENCE IN WRITING
  • 00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:12.170
  • THIS BOOK BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT
  • 00:27:12.170 --> 00:27:14.270
  • ALL THIS HAPPENED TO YOU, IN
  • 00:27:14.270 --> 00:27:16.120
  • PART, SO THAT MANY OTHERS COULD
  • 00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:18.160
  • HEAR IT, AND THEIR LIVES CAN BE
  • 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.110
  • CHANGED, SO THANK YOU.
  • 00:27:19.110 --> 00:27:20.170
  • - CASEY: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
  • 00:27:20.170 --> 00:27:21.100
  • HAVING ME ON YOUR SHOW.
  • 00:27:21.100 --> 00:27:22.270
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:27:24.010 --> 00:27:27.010
  • - BRIAN KILMEADE: AND WE KNOW
  • 00:27:34.260 --> 00:27:35.180
  • AMERICA IS NOT PERFECT, BUT I
  • 00:27:35.180 --> 00:27:36.230
  • THINK WHAT'S COOL ABOUT US
  • 00:27:36.230 --> 00:27:37.250
  • IS WE TRY.
  • 00:27:37.250 --> 00:27:38.130
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:27:38.130 --> 00:27:40.140
  • - ERIC: I SAY, IF KEVIN SORBO'S
  • 00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:41.060
  • NOT IN IT, IT'S NOT A
  • 00:27:41.060 --> 00:27:41.280
  • - KEVIN SORBO: YOU HEAR THAT,
  • 00:27:44.150 --> 00:27:45.060
  • KENDRICK BROTHERS?
  • 00:27:45.060 --> 00:27:45.210
  • YOU HEAR THAT PUREFLIX?
  • 00:27:45.210 --> 00:27:46.090
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:27:46.090 --> 00:27:46.200
  • - ERIC: AND I SAY, IF YOU'RE
  • 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:47.110
  • IN IT--
  • 00:27:47.110 --> 00:27:47.210
  • - KEVIN: WAKE UP, GUYS.
  • 00:27:47.210 --> 00:27:48.090
  • - ERIC: I SAY, "IF YOU'RE IN
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  • IT," I SAY, "I DON'T EVEN NEED
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  • TO ASK."
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  • "IF KEVIN SORBO'S IN IT,
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  • IT'S A CHRISTIAN FILM,"
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  • RIGHT?
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