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May 21, 2020
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  • ♪MUSIC♪- Eric: THIS PROGRAM IS
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  • - Eric: THIS PROGRAM ISSPONSORED IN PART BY CARSHIELD,
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  • SPONSORED IN PART BY CARSHIELD,GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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  • GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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  • OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.- ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, WELCOME TO
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  • - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, WELCOME TOTHE ERIC METAXAS SHOW.
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  • THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW.AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, MAYBE MOST
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  • AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, MAYBE MOSTOF YOU, RAVI ZACHARIAS WENT TO
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  • OF YOU, RAVI ZACHARIAS WENT TOBE WITH THE LORD THIS WEEK.
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  • BE WITH THE LORD THIS WEEK.REALLY TOUGH FOR THOSE OF US WHO
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  • REALLY TOUGH FOR THOSE OF US WHOKNOW HIM AND LOVE HIM AND HAVE
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  • KNOW HIM AND LOVE HIM AND HAVEFOLLOWED HIM TO THINK THAT HE'S
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  • FOLLOWED HIM TO THINK THAT HE'SNO LONGER WITH US.
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  • NO LONGER WITH US.THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT.
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  • THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT.BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT TEN
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  • BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT TENMONTHS AGO I HAD THE GREAT
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  • MONTHS AGO I HAD THE GREATPRIVILEGE OF A LONG WONDERFUL
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  • PRIVILEGE OF A LONG WONDERFULINTERVIEW WITH HIM IN OUR TBN
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  • INTERVIEW WITH HIM IN OUR TBNSTUDIO HERE IN NEW YORK.
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  • STUDIO HERE IN NEW YORK.AND WE WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH
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  • AND WE WANT TO SHARE THAT WITHYOU.
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  • YOU.DO NOT MISS THIS.
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  • DO NOT MISS THIS.HE IS A HERO OF THE FAITH.
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  • HE IS A HERO OF THE FAITH.CHECK IT OUT.
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  • CHECK IT OUT.GOD BLESS YOU.
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  • GOD BLESS YOU.- ERIC METAXAS: RIGHT NOW I'D
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: RIGHT NOW I'DLIKE TO INTRODUCE A PARTICULARLY
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  • LIKE TO INTRODUCE A PARTICULARLYSPECIAL GUEST.
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  • SPECIAL GUEST.I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO HUNT DOWN
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  • I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO HUNT DOWNTHE GREAT RAVI ZACHARIAS
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  • THE GREAT RAVI ZACHARIASFOR YEARS BECAUSE RAVI ZACHARIAS
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  • FOR YEARS BECAUSE RAVI ZACHARIASNEVER TOUCHES DOWN LONG ENOUGH
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  • NEVER TOUCHES DOWN LONG ENOUGHIN THE UNITED STATES WHERE YOU
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  • IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE YOUCAN CAPTURE HIM ON FILM.
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  • CAN CAPTURE HIM ON FILM.UNTIL TODAY, SOMEHOW, I'M NOT
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  • UNTIL TODAY, SOMEHOW, I'M NOTSURE, WE GOT HIM INTO THE STUDIO
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  • SURE, WE GOT HIM INTO THE STUDIOIN NEW YORK CITY.
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  • IN NEW YORK CITY.RAVI ZACHARIAS, WELCOME!
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS, WELCOME!- RAVI: THANK YOU, SIR.
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  • - RAVI: THANK YOU, SIR.WHAT AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU,
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  • WHAT AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU,ERIC.
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  • ERIC.- ERIC: THIS IS LIKE SPOTTING
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  • - ERIC: THIS IS LIKE SPOTTINGTHE WHITE BUFFALO OR SOMETHING,
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  • THE WHITE BUFFALO OR SOMETHING,SOME RARE BEAST THAT IS NEVER
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  • SOME RARE BEAST THAT IS NEVERSEEN, FABLED BEAST, AND TO HAVE
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  • SEEN, FABLED BEAST, AND TO HAVEYOU WITH ME IN THE STUDIO, WE'VE
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  • YOU WITH ME IN THE STUDIO, WE'VETRIED FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.
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  • TRIED FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.I KNOW, RAVI, THERE ARE SO MANY
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  • I KNOW, RAVI, THERE ARE SO MANYPEOPLE THAT KNOW YOU.
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  • PEOPLE THAT KNOW YOU.BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE
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  • BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLELISTENING RIGHT NOW WHO ARE
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  • LISTENING RIGHT NOW WHO ARESAYING, WHO'S THIS GUY?
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  • SAYING, WHO'S THIS GUY?AND I THOUGHT THAT'S PRECISELY
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  • AND I THOUGHT THAT'S PRECISELYWHY I DO THE PROGRAM, BECAUSE I
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  • WHY I DO THE PROGRAM, BECAUSE IHAVE THE GREAT JOY AND HONOR OF
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  • HAVE THE GREAT JOY AND HONOR OFINTRODUCING FOLKS LIKE YOU TO
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  • INTRODUCING FOLKS LIKE YOU TONEW PEOPLE.
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  • NEW PEOPLE.SO I THINK OF YOU AS AN
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  • SO I THINK OF YOU AS ANAPOLOGIST FOR THE CHRISTIAN
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  • APOLOGIST FOR THE CHRISTIANFAITH, PRINCIPALLY,
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  • FAITH, PRINCIPALLY,AS AN AUTHOR OF INNUMERABLE
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  • AS AN AUTHOR OF INNUMERABLEBOOKS.
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  • BOOKS.YOU REALLY DO TRAVEL AROUND THE
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  • YOU REALLY DO TRAVEL AROUND THEWORLD INCESSANTLY.
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  • WORLD INCESSANTLY.I MEAN, YOU REALLY HAVE AN
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  • I MEAN, YOU REALLY HAVE ANINTERNATIONAL LIFE.
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  • INTERNATIONAL LIFE.I MEAN, I'M NOT EXAGGERATING.
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  • I MEAN, I'M NOT EXAGGERATING.BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO
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  • BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHODON'T KNOW YOUR STORY, AND I
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  • DON'T KNOW YOUR STORY, AND IDON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER HEARD
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  • DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER HEARDYOU TELL YOUR STORY, SO I
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  • YOU TELL YOUR STORY, SO ITHOUGHT, BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT
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  • THOUGHT, BEFORE WE TALK ABOUTWHAT YOU'VE GOT HAPPENING NOW, I
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  • WHAT YOU'VE GOT HAPPENING NOW, IWANTED TO INTRODUCE MY AUDIENCE
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  • WANTED TO INTRODUCE MY AUDIENCETO YOU, TO RAVI, THE MAN, AND TO
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  • TO YOU, TO RAVI, THE MAN, AND TOTELL YOUR STORY.
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  • TELL YOUR STORY.SO TELL US WHERE YOU GREW UP,
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  • SO TELL US WHERE YOU GREW UP,HOW IT WAS YOU CAME TO FAITH,
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  • HOW IT WAS YOU CAME TO FAITH,AND HOW IT WAS YOU CAME TO BE
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  • AND HOW IT WAS YOU CAME TO BEWHAT WE CALL AN APOLOGIST FOR
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  • WHAT WE CALL AN APOLOGIST FORTHE CHRISTIAN FAITH.
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  • THE CHRISTIAN FAITH.- RAVI: FIRST OF ALL, THANKS
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  • - RAVI: FIRST OF ALL, THANKSFOR HAVING ME, ERIC.
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  • FOR HAVING ME, ERIC.YOU KNOW, I LOVE YOUR WORK.
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  • YOU KNOW, I LOVE YOUR WORK.LOVE YOUR BOOKS.
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  • LOVE YOUR BOOKS.THOSE MASSIVE TOMES
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  • THOSE MASSIVE TOMESTHAT YOU PUT OUT THERE, WHICH
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  • THAT YOU PUT OUT THERE, WHICHLINGER FOR A LONG WHILE ON MANY
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  • LINGER FOR A LONG WHILE ON MANYA JOURNEY
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  • A JOURNEYSO THANKS SO MUCH FOR WHAT
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  • SO THANKS SO MUCH FOR WHATYOU'RE DOING.
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  • YOU'RE DOING.YEAH, EVEN THOUGH THE LAST
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  • YEAH, EVEN THOUGH THE LASTSEVERAL DECADES HAVE BEEN IN THE
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  • SEVERAL DECADES HAVE BEEN IN THEWEST, I WAS 20 YEARS OLD WHEN I
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  • WEST, I WAS 20 YEARS OLD WHEN IMOVED TO CANADA, BUT PRIOR TO
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  • MOVED TO CANADA, BUT PRIOR TOTHAT, MY HOME WAS INDIA.
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  • THAT, MY HOME WAS INDIA.I'M AN INDIAN BY BIRTH, BORN IN
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  • I'M AN INDIAN BY BIRTH, BORN INTHE SOUTHERN CITY OF CHENNAI.
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  • THE SOUTHERN CITY OF CHENNAI.THE INTERESTING THING IS, EVEN
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  • THE INTERESTING THING IS, EVENTHOUGH WE WERE NOMINALLY
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  • THOUGH WE WERE NOMINALLYCHRISTIAN, AND I MEAN THAT VERY
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  • CHRISTIAN, AND I MEAN THAT VERYLITERALLY IN NAME, MEANING MORE
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  • LITERALLY IN NAME, MEANING MOREWHAT WE WERE NOT.
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  • WHAT WE WERE NOT.WE WERE NOT HINDUS, WE WERE NOT
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  • WE WERE NOT HINDUS, WE WERE NOTMUSLIMS, WE WERE NOT BUDDHISTS,
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  • MUSLIMS, WE WERE NOT BUDDHISTS,WE ARE NOT SIKHS.
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  • WE ARE NOT SIKHS.SO WE ARE BRANDED AS CHRISTIANS.
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  • SO WE ARE BRANDED AS CHRISTIANS.FIVE GENERATIONS ON ONE SIDE,
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  • FIVE GENERATIONS ON ONE SIDE,SEVEN GENERATIONS ON THE OTHER
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  • SEVEN GENERATIONS ON THE OTHERSIDE OUR ANCESTORS CAME TO
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  • SIDE OUR ANCESTORS CAME TOJESUS CHRIST.
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  • JESUS CHRIST.IT'S A FASCINATING STORY.
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  • IT'S A FASCINATING STORY.BUT I DID NOT KNOW CHRIST AT
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  • BUT I DID NOT KNOW CHRIST ATALL.
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  • ALL.I WENT TO CHURCH.
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  • I WENT TO CHURCH.IT WAS A CULTURAL THING.
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  • IT WAS A CULTURAL THING.EVERY SUNDAY, EARLY MORNING.
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  • EVERY SUNDAY, EARLY MORNING.A VERY BEAUTIFUL
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  • A VERY BEAUTIFULANGLICAN CHURCH.
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  • ANGLICAN CHURCH.BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU ONE SINGLE
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  • BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU ONE SINGLESERMON I HEARD THERE BECAUSE MY
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  • SERMON I HEARD THERE BECAUSE MYHEART WAS NOT IN IT.
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  • HEART WAS NOT IN IT.MY MIND WAS NOT IN IT.
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  • MY MIND WAS NOT IN IT.I WAS A LOVER OF CRICKET AND ALL
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  • I WAS A LOVER OF CRICKET AND ALLOF OUR CRICKET MATCHES WERE
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  • OF OUR CRICKET MATCHES WEREPLAYED ON SUNDAYS.
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  • PLAYED ON SUNDAYS.- ERIC: I WAS GONNA ASK YOU
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  • - ERIC: I WAS GONNA ASK YOUWAS CRICKET A HINDU GOD?
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  • WAS CRICKET A HINDU GOD?NO, IT'S A SPORT.
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  • NO, IT'S A SPORT.[LAUGHTER]
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  • [LAUGHTER]YOUR EXPERIENCE, OF COURSE, IS
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  • YOUR EXPERIENCE, OF COURSE, ISQUITE TYPICAL.
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  • QUITE TYPICAL.THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE
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  • THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE AROUND THEWORLD FOR WHOM CHRISTIAN FAITH
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  • WORLD FOR WHOM CHRISTIAN FAITHIS A CULTURAL EXPERIENCE.
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  • IS A CULTURAL EXPERIENCE.THAT WAS MAINLY MY STORY UNTIL I
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  • THAT WAS MAINLY MY STORY UNTIL IWAS IN MY 20'S.
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  • WAS IN MY 20'S.WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU WANTED TO
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  • WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU WANTED TODO WITH YOUR LIFE WHEN YOU WERE
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  • DO WITH YOUR LIFE WHEN YOU WEREA TEENAGER IN INDIA?
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  • A TEENAGER IN INDIA?- RAVI: WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER
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  • - RAVI: WHEN I WAS A TEENAGERIN INDIA, SPORTS WAS EVERYTHING
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  • IN INDIA, SPORTS WAS EVERYTHINGTO ME.
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  • TO ME.AND THAT'S WHAT BUILT A
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  • AND THAT'S WHAT BUILT AGREAT WALL BETWEEN MY FATHER AND
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  • GREAT WALL BETWEEN MY FATHER ANDMYSELF BECAUSE THERE WAS NO
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  • MYSELF BECAUSE THERE WAS NOMONEY IN IT, YOU KNOW
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  • MONEY IN IT, YOU KNOWIT WAS JUST A PROFESSION.
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  • IT WAS JUST A PROFESSION.I WANTED TO PLAY CRICKET
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  • I WANTED TO PLAY CRICKETFOR INDIA.
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  • FOR INDIA.WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, ERIC, IN
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  • WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, ERIC, INTHE MOST SERIOUS, SERIOUS STAGE
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  • THE MOST SERIOUS, SERIOUS STAGEOF MY LIFE-- YOU KNOW, I'VE
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  • OF MY LIFE-- YOU KNOW, I'VEALWAYS BEEN A PURSUER OF
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  • ALWAYS BEEN A PURSUER OFMEANING.
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  • MEANING.THE FACT IS, I WAS LOOKING FOR
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  • THE FACT IS, I WAS LOOKING FORTINY LITTLE MEANINGS, BUT I HAD
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  • TINY LITTLE MEANINGS, BUT I HADNO ULTIMATE MEANING.
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  • NO ULTIMATE MEANING.WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HINDUISM AND
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  • WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HINDUISM ANDTHE PANTHEISTIC WORLDVIEWS, THEY
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  • THE PANTHEISTIC WORLDVIEWS, THEYDON'T TALK ABOUT MEANING.
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  • DON'T TALK ABOUT MEANING.IT'S ALL A CYCLICAL THING
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  • IT'S ALL A CYCLICAL THING"YEAH, EVERY BIRTH IS A REBIRTH
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  • "YEAH, EVERY BIRTH IS A REBIRTHAND THE REPETITIVE NATURE OF
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  • AND THE REPETITIVE NATURE OFLIFE,"
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  • LIFE,"SO AT THE AGE OF 17
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  • SO AT THE AGE OF 17I ENDED UP ON A BED
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  • I ENDED UP ON A BEDOF SUICIDE IN DELHI
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  • OF SUICIDE IN DELHIAND THAT, TO ME
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  • AND THAT, TO METILL THIS DAY
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  • TILL THIS DAYIS A VERY EMOTIONAL THING.
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  • IS A VERY EMOTIONAL THING.I HARDLY EVER TALK ABOUT.
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  • I HARDLY EVER TALK ABOUT.- ERIC: I HAVE TO ASK YOU
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  • - ERIC: I HAVE TO ASK YOUWHEN YOU SAY YOU FOUND
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  • WHEN YOU SAY YOU FOUNDYOURSELF ON "A BED OF SUICIDE,"
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  • YOURSELF ON "A BED OF SUICIDE,"I'M NOT CLEAR ON
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  • I'M NOT CLEAR ONWHAT HAPPENED.
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  • WHAT HAPPENED.HAD YOU ATTEMPTED TO KILL
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  • HAD YOU ATTEMPTED TO KILLYOURSELF--
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  • YOURSELF--- RAVI: YES, SIR, YES, INDEED.
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  • - RAVI: YES, SIR, YES, INDEED.- ERIC: -- AND THEN YOU FOUND
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  • - ERIC: -- AND THEN YOU FOUNDYOURSELF IN A HOSPITAL
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  • YOURSELF IN A HOSPITALHAVING SURVIVED?
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  • HAVING SURVIVED?- RAVI: THAT IS CORRECT
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  • - RAVI: THAT IS CORRECTBUT HANGING ON BY A THREAD.
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  • BUT HANGING ON BY A THREAD.I HAD TAKEN POISON THAT I HAD
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  • I HAD TAKEN POISON THAT I HADBROUGHT WITH ME AND MIXED IT
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  • BROUGHT WITH ME AND MIXED ITWITH A GLASS OF WATER, SOME
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  • WITH A GLASS OF WATER, SOMECHEMICALS THAT WERE MARKED
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  • CHEMICALS THAT WERE MARKED"POISON" IN THE SCIENCE LAB
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  • "POISON" IN THE SCIENCE LABAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A VERY
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  • AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A VERYPAINFUL THING TO TALK ABOUT, BUT
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  • PAINFUL THING TO TALK ABOUT, BUTTHAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
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  • THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.- ERIC: BUT CAN I ASK YOU, WHAT
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  • - ERIC: BUT CAN I ASK YOU, WHATLED YOU?
  • 00:05:40.310 --> 00:05:41.311
  • LED YOU?THAT'S A VERY DRAMATIC THING FOR
  • 00:05:41.311 --> 00:05:43.914
  • THAT'S A VERY DRAMATIC THING FORA 17-YEAR-OLD TO TRY SO
  • 00:05:43.914 --> 00:05:45.349
  • A 17-YEAR-OLD TO TRY SOSERIOUSLY TO TAKE HIS LIFE.
  • 00:05:45.349 --> 00:05:46.149
  • SERIOUSLY TO TAKE HIS LIFE.CAN YOU SAY WHAT LED YOU
  • 00:05:46.149 --> 00:05:47.551
  • CAN YOU SAY WHAT LED YOUTO THIS?
  • 00:05:47.551 --> 00:05:49.553
  • TO THIS?- RAVI: IN INDIA, IT'S NOT THAT
  • 00:05:49.553 --> 00:05:50.954
  • - RAVI: IN INDIA, IT'S NOT THATUNCOMMON, AND ESPECIALLY DURING
  • 00:05:50.954 --> 00:05:52.489
  • UNCOMMON, AND ESPECIALLY DURINGEXAMINATION TIME.
  • 00:05:52.489 --> 00:05:54.491
  • EXAMINATION TIME.I COULD NAME TWO OR THREE
  • 00:05:54.491 --> 00:05:56.326
  • I COULD NAME TWO OR THREECLASSMATES OF MINE WHO MORE
  • 00:05:56.326 --> 00:05:58.128
  • CLASSMATES OF MINE WHO MOREMERCILESSLY ENDED THEIR LIVES.
  • 00:05:58.128 --> 00:05:59.663
  • MERCILESSLY ENDED THEIR LIVES.IT'S A CULTURE OF HONOR AND
  • 00:05:59.663 --> 00:06:01.231
  • IT'S A CULTURE OF HONOR ANDSHAME.
  • 00:06:01.231 --> 00:06:02.966
  • SHAME.IT'S NOT EXAGGERATED.
  • 00:06:02.966 --> 00:06:05.535
  • IT'S NOT EXAGGERATED.INDIA IS A CULTURE OF STUDY.
  • 00:06:05.535 --> 00:06:07.804
  • INDIA IS A CULTURE OF STUDY.STUDY IS THE NUMBER ONE THING.
  • 00:06:07.804 --> 00:06:09.573
  • STUDY IS THE NUMBER ONE THING.THAT'S WHY EVEN WHEN THEY GO
  • 00:06:09.573 --> 00:06:11.174
  • THAT'S WHY EVEN WHEN THEY GOABROAD, THE DO SO WELL.
  • 00:06:11.174 --> 00:06:13.009
  • ABROAD, THE DO SO WELL.THEY WILL JUST POUR THEMSELVES
  • 00:06:13.009 --> 00:06:14.344
  • THEY WILL JUST POUR THEMSELVESINTO THE BOOKS.
  • 00:06:14.344 --> 00:06:16.780
  • INTO THE BOOKS.THEY WILL MEMORIZE.
  • 00:06:16.780 --> 00:06:18.915
  • THEY WILL MEMORIZE.THEY'RE MATHEMATICIANS TO THE
  • 00:06:18.915 --> 00:06:20.550
  • THEY'RE MATHEMATICIANS TO THECORE.
  • 00:06:20.550 --> 00:06:23.120
  • CORE.SCIENTISTS.
  • 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:23.687
  • SCIENTISTS.COMPUTER ENGINEERS.
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  • COMPUTER ENGINEERS.AND THE COMPETITIVENESS IS VERY
  • 00:06:24.588 --> 00:06:25.188
  • AND THE COMPETITIVENESS IS VERYREAL OUT THERE.
  • 00:06:25.188 --> 00:06:26.390
  • REAL OUT THERE.AND I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE
  • 00:06:26.390 --> 00:06:27.357
  • AND I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THEDISCIPLINE TO DO IT.
  • 00:06:27.357 --> 00:06:28.792
  • DISCIPLINE TO DO IT.MY CLASS--
  • 00:06:28.792 --> 00:06:29.526
  • MY CLASS--MY FRIENDS DID.
  • 00:06:29.526 --> 00:06:31.828
  • MY FRIENDS DID.I WAS LOOKING TO THE CRICKET
  • 00:06:31.828 --> 00:06:32.696
  • I WAS LOOKING TO THE CRICKETPITCH EVERY DAY.
  • 00:06:32.696 --> 00:06:33.830
  • PITCH EVERY DAY.BUT THAT ATTEMPT TO POISON
  • 00:06:33.830 --> 00:06:37.033
  • BUT THAT ATTEMPT TO POISONMYSELF FAILED, AND I'VE OFTEN
  • 00:06:37.033 --> 00:06:38.268
  • MYSELF FAILED, AND I'VE OFTENSAID, WHEN I USED TO TELL MY
  • 00:06:38.268 --> 00:06:40.303
  • SAID, WHEN I USED TO TELL MYSTORY, THE CONCOCTION
  • 00:06:40.303 --> 00:06:41.838
  • STORY, THE CONCOCTIONTHAT I MADE AND TOOK INTO MY
  • 00:06:41.838 --> 00:06:42.939
  • THAT I MADE AND TOOK INTO MYSYSTEM TURNED OUT, I SAID
  • 00:06:42.939 --> 00:06:43.707
  • SYSTEM TURNED OUT, I SAIDUNFORTUNATELY, TURNED OUT TO BE
  • 00:06:43.707 --> 00:06:45.542
  • UNFORTUNATELY, TURNED OUT TO BEVERY SALTY.
  • 00:06:45.542 --> 00:06:46.243
  • VERY SALTY.AND MY BODY STARTED TO REJECT
  • 00:06:46.243 --> 00:06:48.078
  • AND MY BODY STARTED TO REJECTIT.
  • 00:06:48.078 --> 00:06:49.346
  • IT.AND I REMEMBER A DOCTOR SAYING
  • 00:06:49.346 --> 00:06:50.747
  • AND I REMEMBER A DOCTOR SAYINGTO ME IN THE AUDIENCE, "DON'T
  • 00:06:50.747 --> 00:06:52.416
  • TO ME IN THE AUDIENCE, "DON'TSAY 'UNFORTUNATELY.'
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  • SAY 'UNFORTUNATELY.'IT IS THAT SALTINESS THAT
  • 00:06:53.850 --> 00:06:57.254
  • IT IS THAT SALTINESS THATCAUSED THE BODY TO REJECT
  • 00:06:57.254 --> 00:06:58.121
  • CAUSED THE BODY TO REJECTWHAT YOU PUT IN THERE.
  • 00:06:58.121 --> 00:06:58.955
  • WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE.AND AS THE MOISTURE WAS BEING
  • 00:06:58.955 --> 00:07:00.991
  • AND AS THE MOISTURE WAS BEINGTHROWN OUT, SO WAS THE POISON."
  • 00:07:00.991 --> 00:07:02.492
  • THROWN OUT, SO WAS THE POISON."AND I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR
  • 00:07:02.492 --> 00:07:04.127
  • AND I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FORFIVE DAYS BEFORE I WAS RELEASED.
  • 00:07:04.127 --> 00:07:06.296
  • FIVE DAYS BEFORE I WAS RELEASED.BUT THAT'S THE VALLEY THAT GOD
  • 00:07:06.296 --> 00:07:07.464
  • BUT THAT'S THE VALLEY THAT GODBROUGHT ME THROUGH.
  • 00:07:07.464 --> 00:07:08.799
  • BROUGHT ME THROUGH.- ERIC: LET ME HIT PAUSE HERE
  • 00:07:08.799 --> 00:07:09.966
  • - ERIC: LET ME HIT PAUSE HEREFOR A MOMENT.
  • 00:07:09.966 --> 00:07:10.734
  • FOR A MOMENT.FOLKS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE
  • 00:07:10.734 --> 00:07:11.268
  • FOLKS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKEA BREAK FOR STATION
  • 00:07:11.268 --> 00:07:11.835
  • A BREAK FOR STATIONIDENTIFICATION.
  • 00:07:11.835 --> 00:07:12.502
  • IDENTIFICATION.WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH
  • 00:07:12.502 --> 00:07:13.970
  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITHRAVI ZACHARIAS.
  • 00:07:13.970 --> 00:07:19.996
  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITHRAVI ZACHARIAS.
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS.THIS IS THE ERIC METAXIS SHOW.
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  • THIS IS THE ERIC METAXIS SHOW.- ERIC: HEY, THERE, FOLKS.
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  • - ERIC: HEY, THERE, FOLKS.IT'S THE ERIC METAXIS SHOW.
  • 00:07:29.421 --> 00:07:30.923
  • IT'S THE ERIC METAXIS SHOW.I'M SITTING HERE WITH RAVI
  • 00:07:30.923 --> 00:07:32.024
  • I'M SITTING HERE WITH RAVIZACHARIAS, CHRISTIAN APOLOGIST,
  • 00:07:32.024 --> 00:07:34.760
  • ZACHARIAS, CHRISTIAN APOLOGIST,AUTHOR, FORMER CRICKETER.
  • 00:07:34.760 --> 00:07:37.596
  • AUTHOR, FORMER CRICKETER.RAVI, YOU JUST TOOK US TO THE
  • 00:07:37.596 --> 00:07:38.964
  • RAVI, YOU JUST TOOK US TO THEDARKEST PLACE ANYONE COULD EVER
  • 00:07:38.964 --> 00:07:40.699
  • DARKEST PLACE ANYONE COULD EVERGO, WHICH IS TO SAY, TO THE
  • 00:07:40.699 --> 00:07:42.000
  • GO, WHICH IS TO SAY, TO THEPOINT OF DEATH BY ONE'S OWN
  • 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.370
  • POINT OF DEATH BY ONE'S OWNHAND.
  • 00:07:45.370 --> 00:07:48.407
  • HAND.YOU MERCIFULLY SURVIVED.
  • 00:07:48.407 --> 00:07:48.874
  • YOU MERCIFULLY SURVIVED.WHAT HAPPENS AT
  • 00:07:48.874 --> 00:07:49.775
  • WHAT HAPPENS ATTHIS POINT?
  • 00:07:49.775 --> 00:07:50.676
  • THIS POINT?YOU ARE 17 YEARS OLD.
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  • YOU ARE 17 YEARS OLD.I'M SURE YOUR FAMILY
  • 00:07:51.343 --> 00:07:51.777
  • I'M SURE YOUR FAMILYIS HORRIFIED.
  • 00:07:51.777 --> 00:07:53.912
  • IS HORRIFIED.AND YOU SAID SOMEONE CAME TO YOU
  • 00:07:53.912 --> 00:07:56.415
  • AND YOU SAID SOMEONE CAME TO YOUON THE HOSPITAL BED WHO
  • 00:07:56.415 --> 00:08:00.018
  • ON THE HOSPITAL BED WHOWAS A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:08:00.018 --> 00:08:03.021
  • WAS A CHRISTIAN.- RAVI: AND I THINK IT'S
  • 00:08:03.021 --> 00:08:06.124
  • - RAVI: AND I THINK IT'SIMPORTANT FOR THE LISTENER TO
  • 00:08:06.124 --> 00:08:06.959
  • IMPORTANT FOR THE LISTENER TOKNOW, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES THERE
  • 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:07.693
  • KNOW, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES THEREARE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR ONE
  • 00:08:07.693 --> 00:08:08.327
  • ARE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR ONEWHO WOULD GO THROUGH THAT
  • 00:08:08.327 --> 00:08:08.760
  • WHO WOULD GO THROUGH THATDARK STAGE.
  • 00:08:08.760 --> 00:08:09.461
  • DARK STAGE.SOMETIMES THERE ARE DEFINITELY
  • 00:08:09.461 --> 00:08:11.129
  • SOMETIMES THERE ARE DEFINITELYSOME PSYCHOLOGICAL
  • 00:08:11.129 --> 00:08:12.331
  • SOME PSYCHOLOGICALNEUROCHEMICAL ISSUES AT WORK
  • 00:08:12.331 --> 00:08:15.400
  • NEUROCHEMICAL ISSUES AT WORKAND SO ON.
  • 00:08:15.400 --> 00:08:16.802
  • AND SO ON.IT WAS NONE OF THAT FOR ME.
  • 00:08:16.802 --> 00:08:17.736
  • IT WAS NONE OF THAT FOR ME.FOR ME, IT WAS THE PURSUIT OF
  • 00:08:17.736 --> 00:08:20.873
  • FOR ME, IT WAS THE PURSUIT OFMEANING AND STRUGGLING TO BE
  • 00:08:20.873 --> 00:08:23.275
  • MEANING AND STRUGGLING TO BEACCEPTED BY A VERY DISCIPLINED
  • 00:08:23.275 --> 00:08:25.077
  • ACCEPTED BY A VERY DISCIPLINEDDAD, AND A DAD WHO WAS TOUGH ON
  • 00:08:25.077 --> 00:08:27.980
  • DAD, AND A DAD WHO WAS TOUGH ONME FOR REASONS THAT HE HAD.
  • 00:08:27.980 --> 00:08:30.382
  • ME FOR REASONS THAT HE HAD.HE WANTED TO, SORT OF, SHAME ME
  • 00:08:30.382 --> 00:08:31.383
  • HE WANTED TO, SORT OF, SHAME MEINTO REALITY.
  • 00:08:31.383 --> 00:08:32.384
  • INTO REALITY.I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT.
  • 00:08:32.384 --> 00:08:34.353
  • I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT.BUT WHEN I WENT THROUGH THAT
  • 00:08:34.353 --> 00:08:36.355
  • BUT WHEN I WENT THROUGH THATDARK STAGE, THIS GENTLEMAN WHOM
  • 00:08:36.355 --> 00:08:38.657
  • DARK STAGE, THIS GENTLEMAN WHOMI HAD HEARD ONCE BEFORE
  • 00:08:38.657 --> 00:08:40.392
  • I HAD HEARD ONCE BEFOREMET ONCE, WORKED FOR YOUTH FOR
  • 00:08:40.392 --> 00:08:42.694
  • MET ONCE, WORKED FOR YOUTH FORCHRIST, BUT I WAS NOT IN THE
  • 00:08:42.694 --> 00:08:43.996
  • CHRIST, BUT I WAS NOT IN THECLEAREST STATE OF MIND
  • 00:08:43.996 --> 00:08:44.730
  • CLEAREST STATE OF MINDYOU KNOW
  • 00:08:44.730 --> 00:08:47.065
  • YOU KNOWLYING IN THAT BED AND
  • 00:08:47.065 --> 00:08:48.433
  • LYING IN THAT BED ANDDEHYDRATED, WHICH MEANT I
  • 00:08:48.433 --> 00:08:50.135
  • DEHYDRATED, WHICH MEANT ICOULDN'T USE MY LIMBS
  • 00:08:50.135 --> 00:08:51.637
  • COULDN'T USE MY LIMBSI COULDN'T LIFT MY HAND
  • 00:08:51.637 --> 00:08:52.671
  • I COULDN'T LIFT MY HANDAND HE CAME INTO THE
  • 00:08:52.671 --> 00:08:54.673
  • AND HE CAME INTO THEROOM WITH A BIBLE IN HIS HAND,
  • 00:08:54.673 --> 00:08:55.774
  • ROOM WITH A BIBLE IN HIS HAND,AND WANTED TO READ IT TO ME.
  • 00:08:55.774 --> 00:08:57.376
  • AND WANTED TO READ IT TO ME.AND MY MOTHER WAS SORT
  • 00:08:57.376 --> 00:08:58.877
  • AND MY MOTHER WAS SORTOF SURPRISED, SAYING
  • 00:08:58.877 --> 00:08:59.645
  • OF SURPRISED, SAYING"HOW DID YOU EVEN GET IN HERE?
  • 00:08:59.645 --> 00:09:00.312
  • "HOW DID YOU EVEN GET IN HERE?HE'S IN INTENSIVE CARE."
  • 00:09:00.312 --> 00:09:01.113
  • HE'S IN INTENSIVE CARE."HE SAID, "WELL, I'M A MINISTER,"
  • 00:09:01.113 --> 00:09:02.481
  • HE SAID, "WELL, I'M A MINISTER,"AND SO ON, BUT SHE WOULDN'T LET
  • 00:09:02.481 --> 00:09:07.920
  • AND SO ON, BUT SHE WOULDN'T LETHIM STAY.
  • 00:09:07.920 --> 00:09:09.187
  • HIM STAY.SO HE OPENED IT TO THE
  • 00:09:09.187 --> 00:09:11.857
  • SO HE OPENED IT TO THEGOSPEL OF JOHN, JOHN CHAPTER 14
  • 00:09:11.857 --> 00:09:12.591
  • GOSPEL OF JOHN, JOHN CHAPTER 14AND HAD MY MOTHER READ IT TO ME.
  • 00:09:12.591 --> 00:09:14.159
  • AND HAD MY MOTHER READ IT TO ME.MY MOTHER WAS A TEACHER, BUT
  • 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:15.160
  • MY MOTHER WAS A TEACHER, BUTENGLISH WAS NOT HER FIRST
  • 00:09:15.160 --> 00:09:16.395
  • ENGLISH WAS NOT HER FIRSTLANGUAGE, A VERY HEAVY ACCENT IN
  • 00:09:16.395 --> 00:09:18.764
  • LANGUAGE, A VERY HEAVY ACCENT INENGLISH.
  • 00:09:18.764 --> 00:09:20.165
  • ENGLISH.AND HERE WAS A
  • 00:09:20.165 --> 00:09:21.733
  • AND HERE WAS AKING JAMES VERSION.
  • 00:09:21.733 --> 00:09:23.035
  • KING JAMES VERSION.SHE'S HOLDING IT IN HER HAND
  • 00:09:23.035 --> 00:09:24.036
  • SHE'S HOLDING IT IN HER HANDREADING IT, AND I'M HAVING A
  • 00:09:24.036 --> 00:09:25.837
  • READING IT, AND I'M HAVING AHARD TIME TRACKING WHAT SHE'S
  • 00:09:25.837 --> 00:09:26.538
  • HARD TIME TRACKING WHAT SHE'SSAYING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:09:26.538 --> 00:09:29.575
  • SAYING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEAMAZING THING, TO ME, AGAIN
  • 00:09:29.575 --> 00:09:30.442
  • AMAZING THING, TO ME, AGAINHOW GOD ORCHESTRATED THIS ALL.
  • 00:09:30.442 --> 00:09:31.577
  • HOW GOD ORCHESTRATED THIS ALL.THAT CONVERSATION IN JOHN 14 IS
  • 00:09:31.577 --> 00:09:33.245
  • THAT CONVERSATION IN JOHN 14 ISWITH THOMAS.
  • 00:09:33.245 --> 00:09:34.513
  • WITH THOMAS.AND THOMAS IS THE ONE WHO WAS
  • 00:09:34.513 --> 00:09:36.214
  • AND THOMAS IS THE ONE WHO WASTHE FIRST ONE TO BRING THE
  • 00:09:36.214 --> 00:09:38.150
  • THE FIRST ONE TO BRING THEGOSPEL TO INDIA AND PAID WITH
  • 00:09:38.150 --> 00:09:41.086
  • GOSPEL TO INDIA AND PAID WITHHIS LIFE, AND SO THE
  • 00:09:41.086 --> 00:09:42.254
  • HIS LIFE, AND SO THEEXCLUSIVITY PASSAGE IS THERE
  • 00:09:42.254 --> 00:09:42.988
  • EXCLUSIVITY PASSAGE IS THERE"I'M THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND
  • 00:09:42.988 --> 00:09:43.722
  • "I'M THE WAY, THE TRUTH, ANDTHE LIFE.
  • 00:09:43.722 --> 00:09:44.890
  • THE LIFE.NO ONE COMES UNTO THE FATHER BUT
  • 00:09:44.890 --> 00:09:46.058
  • NO ONE COMES UNTO THE FATHER BUTBY ME."
  • 00:09:46.058 --> 00:09:47.593
  • BY ME."BUT I WAS GOING PAST ALL
  • 00:09:47.593 --> 00:09:48.594
  • BUT I WAS GOING PAST ALLOF THAT UNTIL, IN VERSE 19
  • 00:09:48.594 --> 00:09:50.329
  • OF THAT UNTIL, IN VERSE 19ERIC, IT'S LIKE A BOLT OF
  • 00:09:50.329 --> 00:09:52.364
  • ERIC, IT'S LIKE A BOLT OFLIGHTNING IN A MOMENT OF PITCH
  • 00:09:52.364 --> 00:09:55.534
  • LIGHTNING IN A MOMENT OF PITCHBLACKNESS: "BECAUSE I LIVE, YOU
  • 00:09:55.534 --> 00:09:58.503
  • BLACKNESS: "BECAUSE I LIVE, YOUALSO SHALL LIVE."
  • 00:09:58.503 --> 00:09:59.504
  • ALSO SHALL LIVE.""BECAUSE I LIVE
  • 00:09:59.504 --> 00:10:01.473
  • "BECAUSE I LIVEYOU ALSO SHALL LIVE."
  • 00:10:01.473 --> 00:10:02.407
  • YOU ALSO SHALL LIVE."AND WITH NOBODY EXPLAINING
  • 00:10:02.407 --> 00:10:03.809
  • AND WITH NOBODY EXPLAININGIT TO ME,
  • 00:10:03.809 --> 00:10:06.478
  • IT TO ME,IT HAD TO BE THE HOLY SPIRIT OF
  • 00:10:06.478 --> 00:10:07.212
  • IT HAD TO BE THE HOLY SPIRIT OFGOD BECAUSE I WAS GREEN AS FAR
  • 00:10:07.212 --> 00:10:08.213
  • GOD BECAUSE I WAS GREEN AS FARAS THE SCRIPTURES WERE
  • 00:10:08.213 --> 00:10:09.448
  • AS THE SCRIPTURES WERECONCERNED.
  • 00:10:09.448 --> 00:10:10.515
  • CONCERNED.NEVER OPENED A BIBLE IN MY LIFE
  • 00:10:10.515 --> 00:10:12.818
  • NEVER OPENED A BIBLE IN MY LIFEBEFORE, AND JUST THINKING TO
  • 00:10:12.818 --> 00:10:15.153
  • BEFORE, AND JUST THINKING TOMYSELF, "WHATEVER THIS 'LIVE' IS
  • 00:10:15.153 --> 00:10:16.655
  • MYSELF, "WHATEVER THIS 'LIVE' ISABOUT IS NOT WHAT MY LIFE WAS
  • 00:10:16.655 --> 00:10:18.256
  • ABOUT IS NOT WHAT MY LIFE WASABOUT."
  • 00:10:18.256 --> 00:10:20.125
  • ABOUT."AND SO IT'S JESUS, OF COURSE,
  • 00:10:20.125 --> 00:10:22.728
  • AND SO IT'S JESUS, OF COURSE,TALKING, AND I SAID
  • 00:10:22.728 --> 00:10:24.029
  • TALKING, AND I SAID"JESUS, IF YOU ARE WHO YOU CLAIM
  • 00:10:24.029 --> 00:10:29.534
  • "JESUS, IF YOU ARE WHO YOU CLAIMTO BE HERE, I WANT THAT LIFE
  • 00:10:29.534 --> 00:10:30.435
  • TO BE HERE, I WANT THAT LIFETHAT I DO NOT HAVE IF THIS IS
  • 00:10:30.435 --> 00:10:33.138
  • THAT I DO NOT HAVE IF THIS ISTHE LIFE YOU OFFER TO ME.
  • 00:10:33.138 --> 00:10:34.673
  • THE LIFE YOU OFFER TO ME.AND I PROMISE, IF YOU WILL TAKE
  • 00:10:34.673 --> 00:10:35.440
  • AND I PROMISE, IF YOU WILL TAKEME OUT OF THIS HOSPITAL BED, I
  • 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:37.976
  • ME OUT OF THIS HOSPITAL BED, IWILL LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED IN
  • 00:10:37.976 --> 00:10:40.779
  • WILL LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED INMY PURSUIT OF TRUTH."
  • 00:10:40.779 --> 00:10:41.680
  • MY PURSUIT OF TRUTH."THAT WAS THE LINE
  • 00:10:41.680 --> 00:10:42.347
  • THAT WAS THE LINE"I WILL LEAVE NO STONE
  • 00:10:42.347 --> 00:10:43.348
  • "I WILL LEAVE NO STONEUNTURNED IN THE PURSUIT
  • 00:10:43.348 --> 00:10:44.583
  • UNTURNED IN THE PURSUITOF TRUTH."
  • 00:10:44.583 --> 00:10:45.283
  • OF TRUTH."- ERIC: THAT'S PRETTY INTENSE
  • 00:10:45.283 --> 00:10:45.784
  • - ERIC: THAT'S PRETTY INTENSEFOR A 17-YEAR-OLD.
  • 00:10:45.784 --> 00:10:46.451
  • FOR A 17-YEAR-OLD.- RAVI: VERY INTENSE, BUT
  • 00:10:46.451 --> 00:10:47.586
  • - RAVI: VERY INTENSE, BUTTHAT'S THE WAY I WAS--
  • 00:10:47.586 --> 00:10:48.854
  • THAT'S THE WAY I WAS--I'M STILL A
  • 00:10:48.854 --> 00:10:51.156
  • I'M STILL ALOVER OF WORDS.
  • 00:10:51.156 --> 00:10:53.992
  • LOVER OF WORDS.I'M A LOVER OF ARTICULATING
  • 00:10:53.992 --> 00:10:55.360
  • I'M A LOVER OF ARTICULATINGSOMETHING WITH PRECISION.
  • 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:56.762
  • SOMETHING WITH PRECISION.I SAID, THIS IS HOW I'M FEELING.
  • 00:10:56.762 --> 00:10:59.097
  • I SAID, THIS IS HOW I'M FEELING.THE IRONY OF IT IS, ERIC, YEARS
  • 00:10:59.097 --> 00:11:01.533
  • THE IRONY OF IT IS, ERIC, YEARSLATER, WHEN MY MOTHER PASSED
  • 00:11:01.533 --> 00:11:03.935
  • LATER, WHEN MY MOTHER PASSEDAWAY, MY DAD ASKED ME WHAT VERSE
  • 00:11:03.935 --> 00:11:05.404
  • AWAY, MY DAD ASKED ME WHAT VERSEI WANTED ON HER GRAVESTONE, AND
  • 00:11:05.404 --> 00:11:08.907
  • I WANTED ON HER GRAVESTONE, ANDI TOOK JOHN 14:19.
  • 00:11:08.907 --> 00:11:09.808
  • I TOOK JOHN 14:19.MANY, MANY YEARS WENT BY AND I
  • 00:11:09.808 --> 00:11:12.644
  • MANY, MANY YEARS WENT BY AND IWAS IN DELHI.
  • 00:11:12.644 --> 00:11:13.812
  • WAS IN DELHI.AND MY WIFE MARGIE WHO IS
  • 00:11:13.812 --> 00:11:15.614
  • AND MY WIFE MARGIE WHO ISCANADIAN, SHE SAID TO ME, YOU'VE
  • 00:11:15.614 --> 00:11:16.314
  • CANADIAN, SHE SAID TO ME, YOU'VETALKED SO MUCH ABOUT YOUR
  • 00:11:16.314 --> 00:11:17.749
  • TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT YOURGRANDMOTHER DYING.
  • 00:11:17.749 --> 00:11:20.018
  • GRANDMOTHER DYING.HAVE YOU VISITED HER GRAVE?
  • 00:11:20.018 --> 00:11:20.852
  • HAVE YOU VISITED HER GRAVE?I SAID NO.
  • 00:11:20.852 --> 00:11:22.988
  • I SAID NO.LET'S FIND IT.
  • 00:11:22.988 --> 00:11:23.955
  • LET'S FIND IT.AND FORTUNATELY IN DELHI THERE'S
  • 00:11:23.955 --> 00:11:24.690
  • AND FORTUNATELY IN DELHI THERE'SONLY ONE CHRISTIAN CEMETERY AT
  • 00:11:24.690 --> 00:11:26.758
  • ONLY ONE CHRISTIAN CEMETERY ATTHAT TIME.
  • 00:11:26.758 --> 00:11:28.060
  • THAT TIME.WE FOUND IT, BUT THEY COULDN'T
  • 00:11:28.060 --> 00:11:29.928
  • WE FOUND IT, BUT THEY COULDN'TFIND THE PARTICULAR GRAVE.
  • 00:11:29.928 --> 00:11:30.629
  • FIND THE PARTICULAR GRAVE.NOBODY HAD BEEN THERE FOR
  • 00:11:30.629 --> 00:11:32.397
  • NOBODY HAD BEEN THERE FORDECADES.
  • 00:11:32.397 --> 00:11:35.367
  • DECADES.SHE DIED IN THE '50S AND WE'RE
  • 00:11:35.367 --> 00:11:36.868
  • SHE DIED IN THE '50S AND WE'RENOW TALKING ABOUT THE '90S.
  • 00:11:36.868 --> 00:11:38.203
  • NOW TALKING ABOUT THE '90S.SO FOUR DECADES HAVE GONE BY.
  • 00:11:38.203 --> 00:11:41.006
  • SO FOUR DECADES HAVE GONE BY.SO WE FOUND THE MARK, BUT IT HAD
  • 00:11:41.006 --> 00:11:42.040
  • SO WE FOUND THE MARK, BUT IT HADSUNK.
  • 00:11:42.040 --> 00:11:43.041
  • SUNK.WE FOUND THE PLOT NUMBER, I
  • 00:11:43.041 --> 00:11:44.409
  • WE FOUND THE PLOT NUMBER, ISHOULD SAY, THROUGH CONTACTING
  • 00:11:44.409 --> 00:11:46.478
  • SHOULD SAY, THROUGH CONTACTINGTHE REGISTRY.
  • 00:11:46.478 --> 00:11:47.279
  • THE REGISTRY.SO I CALLED A GARDENER WITH HIS
  • 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.915
  • SO I CALLED A GARDENER WITH HISSHOVEL AND BUCKET.
  • 00:11:49.915 --> 00:11:51.650
  • SHOVEL AND BUCKET.AND HE STARTS DIGGING AND
  • 00:11:51.650 --> 00:11:53.285
  • AND HE STARTS DIGGING ANDDIGGING AND DIGGING IN THE DIRT.
  • 00:11:53.285 --> 00:11:54.052
  • DIGGING AND DIGGING IN THE DIRT.HE WAS GOING DEEPER AND DEEPER
  • 00:11:54.052 --> 00:11:55.654
  • HE WAS GOING DEEPER AND DEEPERAND DEEPER.
  • 00:11:55.654 --> 00:11:56.321
  • AND DEEPER.I JUST THOUGHT SOMEBODY HAD
  • 00:11:56.321 --> 00:11:57.222
  • I JUST THOUGHT SOMEBODY HADALREADY PLUNDERED THE GRAVE.
  • 00:11:57.222 --> 00:11:58.623
  • ALREADY PLUNDERED THE GRAVE.THEN HE HIT STONE.
  • 00:11:58.623 --> 00:12:00.225
  • THEN HE HIT STONE.SOME MARBLE SLAB.
  • 00:12:00.225 --> 00:12:01.126
  • SOME MARBLE SLAB.AND AS THE STONE BEGINS TO
  • 00:12:01.126 --> 00:12:02.928
  • AND AS THE STONE BEGINS TOCLEAR, MY WIFE IS STANDING NEXT
  • 00:12:02.928 --> 00:12:05.330
  • CLEAR, MY WIFE IS STANDING NEXTTO ME AND SHE GRIPPED MY ARM AND
  • 00:12:05.330 --> 00:12:07.699
  • TO ME AND SHE GRIPPED MY ARM ANDTHERE'S THE NAME OF MY
  • 00:12:07.699 --> 00:12:10.335
  • THERE'S THE NAME OF MYGRANDMOTHER, AGNES D. MONICUM.
  • 00:12:10.335 --> 00:12:12.537
  • GRANDMOTHER, AGNES D. MONICUM.THE DATE OF BIRTH, THE DATE OF
  • 00:12:12.537 --> 00:12:14.873
  • THE DATE OF BIRTH, THE DATE OFDEATH IN '55, "BECAUSE I LIVE,
  • 00:12:14.873 --> 00:12:18.143
  • DEATH IN '55, "BECAUSE I LIVE,YOU ALSO SHALL LIVE."
  • 00:12:18.143 --> 00:12:18.877
  • YOU ALSO SHALL LIVE."MY GRANDMOTHER HAD THAT ON HER
  • 00:12:18.877 --> 00:12:20.345
  • MY GRANDMOTHER HAD THAT ON HERGRAVE.
  • 00:12:20.345 --> 00:12:23.014
  • GRAVE.- ERIC: THAT IS A STORY, RAVI.
  • 00:12:23.014 --> 00:12:24.149
  • - ERIC: THAT IS A STORY, RAVI.THIS IS ONE OF THOSE STORIES...
  • 00:12:24.149 --> 00:12:25.684
  • THIS IS ONE OF THOSE STORIES...FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN
  • 00:12:25.684 --> 00:12:28.153
  • FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE INMIRACLES, I MEAN, JUST THE IDEA
  • 00:12:28.153 --> 00:12:32.524
  • MIRACLES, I MEAN, JUST THE IDEATHAT THAT WAS THE SCRIPTURE GOD
  • 00:12:32.524 --> 00:12:34.059
  • THAT THAT WAS THE SCRIPTURE GODUSED TO BRING YOU TO FAITH.
  • 00:12:34.059 --> 00:12:35.627
  • USED TO BRING YOU TO FAITH.THEN THE IDEA IT SHOULD BE ON
  • 00:12:35.627 --> 00:12:37.129
  • THEN THE IDEA IT SHOULD BE ONYOUR MOTHER'S GRAVE.
  • 00:12:37.129 --> 00:12:39.030
  • YOUR MOTHER'S GRAVE.THEN THE IDEA THAT YOU SHOULD
  • 00:12:39.030 --> 00:12:41.199
  • THEN THE IDEA THAT YOU SHOULDSOMEHOW DECIDE TO GO LOOKING FOR
  • 00:12:41.199 --> 00:12:43.135
  • SOMEHOW DECIDE TO GO LOOKING FORA GRAVE, WHICH IS BURIED UNDER
  • 00:12:43.135 --> 00:12:44.703
  • A GRAVE, WHICH IS BURIED UNDERGROUND, WHICH NO ONE WOULD SEE
  • 00:12:44.703 --> 00:12:46.805
  • GROUND, WHICH NO ONE WOULD SEEUNLESS YOU HAPPENED TO GO THERE.
  • 00:12:46.805 --> 00:12:48.607
  • UNLESS YOU HAPPENED TO GO THERE.- RAVI: THAT'S CORRECT.
  • 00:12:48.607 --> 00:12:51.009
  • - RAVI: THAT'S CORRECT.- ERIC: AND THEN, AS IF
  • 00:12:51.009 --> 00:12:52.611
  • - ERIC: AND THEN, AS IFFLOATING OUT OF THE PAST, HERE
  • 00:12:52.611 --> 00:12:54.446
  • FLOATING OUT OF THE PAST, HEREIT COMES, THE SAME SCRIPTURE.
  • 00:12:54.446 --> 00:12:57.415
  • IT COMES, THE SAME SCRIPTURE.I KNOW GOD HAS SPOKEN TO ME THAT
  • 00:12:57.415 --> 00:12:59.818
  • I KNOW GOD HAS SPOKEN TO ME THATWAY SOMETIMES, AND PEOPLE OFTEN
  • 00:12:59.818 --> 00:13:00.552
  • WAY SOMETIMES, AND PEOPLE OFTENTHINK, WELL, IT'S COINCIDENTAL
  • 00:13:00.552 --> 00:13:02.587
  • THINK, WELL, IT'S COINCIDENTALOR IT'S THIS OR THAT.
  • 00:13:02.587 --> 00:13:04.122
  • OR IT'S THIS OR THAT.BUT I THINK THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS
  • 00:13:04.122 --> 00:13:04.823
  • BUT I THINK THAT WHEN IT HAPPENSTO YOU, BECAUSE WE SERVE A
  • 00:13:04.823 --> 00:13:05.724
  • TO YOU, BECAUSE WE SERVE APERSONAL GOD, YOU KNOW IT IS NOT
  • 00:13:05.724 --> 00:13:07.325
  • PERSONAL GOD, YOU KNOW IT IS NOTCOINCIDENTAL.
  • 00:13:07.325 --> 00:13:08.360
  • COINCIDENTAL.YOU KNOW IT'S GOD'S WAY OF
  • 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:09.561
  • YOU KNOW IT'S GOD'S WAY OFWINKING AT YOU AND SAYING, "JUST
  • 00:13:09.561 --> 00:13:12.063
  • WINKING AT YOU AND SAYING, "JUSTIN CASE YOU WONDERED WHETHER I'M
  • 00:13:12.063 --> 00:13:13.031
  • IN CASE YOU WONDERED WHETHER I'MPAYING ATTENTION TO THESE
  • 00:13:13.031 --> 00:13:14.666
  • PAYING ATTENTION TO THESEDETAILS, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
  • 00:13:14.666 --> 00:13:15.934
  • DETAILS, WHAT DO YOU THINK OFTHIS?
  • 00:13:15.934 --> 00:13:17.602
  • THIS?I PLANTED THIS HERE IN THE
  • 00:13:17.602 --> 00:13:21.273
  • I PLANTED THIS HERE IN THEMID '50S AND YOU SEE IT NOW."
  • 00:13:21.273 --> 00:13:22.941
  • MID '50S AND YOU SEE IT NOW."THAT'S STAGGERING.
  • 00:13:22.941 --> 00:13:24.676
  • THAT'S STAGGERING.IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:13:24.676 --> 00:13:25.443
  • IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.I WANT TO GO BACK, THEN, TO THIS
  • 00:13:25.443 --> 00:13:27.078
  • I WANT TO GO BACK, THEN, TO THISMOMENT.
  • 00:13:27.078 --> 00:13:27.946
  • MOMENT.SO YOU'RE ON THIS HOSPITAL BED.
  • 00:13:27.946 --> 00:13:29.147
  • SO YOU'RE ON THIS HOSPITAL BED.YOU'RE AGE 17.
  • 00:13:29.147 --> 00:13:31.082
  • YOU'RE AGE 17.AND YOU MAKE THIS VOW.
  • 00:13:31.082 --> 00:13:32.284
  • AND YOU MAKE THIS VOW.SO WHAT HAPPENS FOLLOWING THAT?
  • 00:13:32.284 --> 00:13:33.552
  • SO WHAT HAPPENS FOLLOWING THAT?SO YOU DON'T BECOME A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:13:33.552 --> 00:13:35.654
  • SO YOU DON'T BECOME A CHRISTIANON THE HOSPITAL BED AS A RESULT
  • 00:13:35.654 --> 00:13:36.888
  • ON THE HOSPITAL BED AS A RESULTOF YOUR MOTHER READING THIS TO
  • 00:13:36.888 --> 00:13:38.256
  • OF YOUR MOTHER READING THIS TOYOU, OR WOULD YOU SAY YOUR FAITH
  • 00:13:38.256 --> 00:13:40.225
  • YOU, OR WOULD YOU SAY YOUR FAITHBEGAN THERE?
  • 00:13:40.225 --> 00:13:41.426
  • BEGAN THERE?- RAVI: I WOULD SAY MY FAITH
  • 00:13:41.426 --> 00:13:43.628
  • - RAVI: I WOULD SAY MY FAITHBEGAN THERE, BUT IT MATURED A
  • 00:13:43.628 --> 00:13:45.096
  • BEGAN THERE, BUT IT MATURED ALOT OVER THE NEXT TWO TO THREE
  • 00:13:45.096 --> 00:13:45.997
  • LOT OVER THE NEXT TWO TO THREEYEARS THROUGH THE MINISTRY OF
  • 00:13:45.997 --> 00:13:47.532
  • YEARS THROUGH THE MINISTRY OFYOUTH FOR CHRIST.
  • 00:13:47.532 --> 00:13:49.901
  • YOUTH FOR CHRIST.I KNEW WHAT I HAD DONE.
  • 00:13:49.901 --> 00:13:52.137
  • I KNEW WHAT I HAD DONE.I DIDN'T KNOW THE DEPTH OF WHAT
  • 00:13:52.137 --> 00:13:53.405
  • I DIDN'T KNOW THE DEPTH OF WHATIT ALL MEANT.
  • 00:13:53.405 --> 00:13:54.472
  • IT ALL MEANT.I TRIED TO GO TO A CHURCH THE
  • 00:13:54.472 --> 00:13:55.807
  • I TRIED TO GO TO A CHURCH THENEXT SUNDAY.
  • 00:13:55.807 --> 00:13:57.609
  • NEXT SUNDAY.WELL, NO, MAYBE A COUPLE OF
  • 00:13:57.609 --> 00:13:58.376
  • WELL, NO, MAYBE A COUPLE OFSUNDAYS AFTER THAT.
  • 00:13:58.376 --> 00:13:59.477
  • SUNDAYS AFTER THAT.I WALKED INTO A MAINLINE
  • 00:13:59.477 --> 00:14:01.513
  • I WALKED INTO A MAINLINECHURCH THERE.
  • 00:14:01.513 --> 00:14:02.514
  • CHURCH THERE.I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE SUCH
  • 00:14:02.514 --> 00:14:04.583
  • I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE SUCHTHINGS AS LIBERAL PREACHERS AND
  • 00:14:04.583 --> 00:14:06.484
  • THINGS AS LIBERAL PREACHERS ANDCONSERVATIVE PREACHERS, AND WHEN
  • 00:14:06.484 --> 00:14:08.220
  • CONSERVATIVE PREACHERS, AND WHENI WENT AND TOLD THE VICAR THERE
  • 00:14:08.220 --> 00:14:09.521
  • I WENT AND TOLD THE VICAR THEREWHAT I HAD DONE, THE MINISTER
  • 00:14:09.521 --> 00:14:10.522
  • WHAT I HAD DONE, THE MINISTERTHERE WHAT I HAD DONE, HE JUST
  • 00:14:10.522 --> 00:14:13.091
  • THERE WHAT I HAD DONE, HE JUSTSTARED AT ME.
  • 00:14:13.091 --> 00:14:14.326
  • STARED AT ME.HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOME
  • 00:14:14.326 --> 00:14:16.528
  • HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMEKIND OF MELODRAMATIC THING,"
  • 00:14:16.528 --> 00:14:17.195
  • KIND OF MELODRAMATIC THING,"HE SAID
  • 00:14:17.195 --> 00:14:18.363
  • HE SAID"LIKE SITTING AT THE FOOT
  • 00:14:18.363 --> 00:14:19.397
  • "LIKE SITTING AT THE FOOTOF THE MOUNTAIN, STARING AT
  • 00:14:19.397 --> 00:14:20.732
  • OF THE MOUNTAIN, STARING ATYOURSELF," OR SOMETHING.
  • 00:14:20.732 --> 00:14:21.666
  • YOURSELF," OR SOMETHING.THAT IS WHAT HE SAID.
  • 00:14:21.666 --> 00:14:22.534
  • THAT IS WHAT HE SAID.HE SAID, "YOU'LL GET OVER IT."
  • 00:14:22.534 --> 00:14:23.201
  • HE SAID, "YOU'LL GET OVER IT."AND I SAID, "BUT I DON'T
  • 00:14:23.201 --> 00:14:24.870
  • AND I SAID, "BUT I DON'TWANT TO."
  • 00:14:24.870 --> 00:14:25.837
  • WANT TO."I SAID, "WHAT I HAVE JUST
  • 00:14:25.837 --> 00:14:28.173
  • I SAID, "WHAT I HAVE JUSTFOUND IS WHAT I NEEDED."
  • 00:14:28.173 --> 00:14:29.741
  • FOUND IS WHAT I NEEDED."SO THEN, A LITTLE LATER, AN
  • 00:14:29.741 --> 00:14:32.644
  • SO THEN, A LITTLE LATER, ANAMERICAN PREACHER CAME THERE AND
  • 00:14:32.644 --> 00:14:34.613
  • AMERICAN PREACHER CAME THERE ANDBECAME-- HIS NAME WAS
  • 00:14:34.613 --> 00:14:36.047
  • BECAME-- HIS NAME WASERNEST FRITCHLEY.
  • 00:14:36.047 --> 00:14:37.849
  • ERNEST FRITCHLEY.HE PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR.
  • 00:14:37.849 --> 00:14:38.917
  • HE PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR.I STILL STAY IN TOUCH WITH HIS
  • 00:14:38.917 --> 00:14:40.051
  • I STILL STAY IN TOUCH WITH HISDAUGHTER NOW WHO LIVES
  • 00:14:40.051 --> 00:14:41.987
  • DAUGHTER NOW WHO LIVESIN MINNESOTA.
  • 00:14:41.987 --> 00:14:43.688
  • IN MINNESOTA.WHEN I STARTED HEARING HIM
  • 00:14:43.688 --> 00:14:44.789
  • WHEN I STARTED HEARING HIMPREACH THE GOSPEL, I SAID
  • 00:14:44.789 --> 00:14:46.658
  • PREACH THE GOSPEL, I SAID"THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT
  • 00:14:46.658 --> 00:14:47.325
  • "THIS IS EXACTLY WHATI HAVE DONE
  • 00:14:47.325 --> 00:14:48.426
  • I HAVE DONEWHAT I NEEDED."
  • 00:14:48.426 --> 00:14:49.861
  • WHAT I NEEDED."SO I ATTENDED A BIBLE STUDY
  • 00:14:49.861 --> 00:14:51.863
  • SO I ATTENDED A BIBLE STUDYWITH YOUTH FOR CHRIST EVERY
  • 00:14:51.863 --> 00:14:53.765
  • WITH YOUTH FOR CHRIST EVERYMONDAY NIGHT, AND BELIEVE IT
  • 00:14:53.765 --> 00:14:54.666
  • MONDAY NIGHT, AND BELIEVE ITOR NOT, WITHIN ABOUT SIX MONTHS
  • 00:14:54.666 --> 00:14:55.834
  • OR NOT, WITHIN ABOUT SIX MONTHSI WAS TEACHING THAT
  • 00:14:55.834 --> 00:14:56.601
  • I WAS TEACHING THATBIBLE STUDY FROM THE BOOK OF
  • 00:14:56.601 --> 00:14:58.637
  • BIBLE STUDY FROM THE BOOK OFROMANS.
  • 00:14:58.637 --> 00:15:00.205
  • ROMANS.- ERIC: SO YOU DIVE IN AND
  • 00:15:00.205 --> 00:15:01.640
  • - ERIC: SO YOU DIVE IN ANDBEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU'RE
  • 00:15:01.640 --> 00:15:02.674
  • BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU'RETEACHING A BIBLE STUDY FROM THE
  • 00:15:02.674 --> 00:15:04.442
  • TEACHING A BIBLE STUDY FROM THEBOOK OF ROMANS, OF ALL THINGS.
  • 00:15:04.442 --> 00:15:05.210
  • BOOK OF ROMANS, OF ALL THINGS.THAT'S NOT EXACTLY AN EASY BOOK.
  • 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:06.945
  • THAT'S NOT EXACTLY AN EASY BOOK.WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU
  • 00:15:06.945 --> 00:15:10.248
  • WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUSUBSEQUENTLY?
  • 00:15:10.248 --> 00:15:11.716
  • SUBSEQUENTLY?DO YOU KNOW RATHER QUICKLY THAT
  • 00:15:11.716 --> 00:15:14.586
  • DO YOU KNOW RATHER QUICKLY THATYOU WANT A LIFE IN MINISTRY?
  • 00:15:14.586 --> 00:15:16.788
  • YOU WANT A LIFE IN MINISTRY?- RAVI: GOOD QUESTION.
  • 00:15:16.788 --> 00:15:19.591
  • - RAVI: GOOD QUESTION.NO, I DON'T THINK SO, ALTHOUGH,
  • 00:15:19.591 --> 00:15:20.825
  • NO, I DON'T THINK SO, ALTHOUGH,IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FASCINATING,
  • 00:15:20.825 --> 00:15:21.760
  • IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FASCINATING,THE THOUGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN
  • 00:15:21.760 --> 00:15:22.894
  • THE THOUGHT WOULD HAVE BEENFASCINATING.
  • 00:15:22.894 --> 00:15:23.795
  • FASCINATING.IN INDIA, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY
  • 00:15:23.795 --> 00:15:25.530
  • IN INDIA, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYMODELS FOR THAT.
  • 00:15:25.530 --> 00:15:26.331
  • MODELS FOR THAT.I SUDDENLY DIDN'T WANT TO BECOME
  • 00:15:26.331 --> 00:15:27.666
  • I SUDDENLY DIDN'T WANT TO BECOMEA PASTOR.
  • 00:15:27.666 --> 00:15:28.333
  • A PASTOR.- ERIC: THIS IS THE '60S,
  • 00:15:28.333 --> 00:15:29.434
  • - ERIC: THIS IS THE '60S,ROUGHLY?
  • 00:15:29.434 --> 00:15:30.201
  • ROUGHLY?- RAVI: THAT IS CORRECT, YEAH.
  • 00:15:30.201 --> 00:15:32.837
  • - RAVI: THAT IS CORRECT, YEAH.MID-60'S.
  • 00:15:32.837 --> 00:15:34.773
  • MID-60'S.I WOULD NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF
  • 00:15:34.773 --> 00:15:36.174
  • I WOULD NOT HAVE THOUGHT OFBECOMING A PASTOR.
  • 00:15:36.174 --> 00:15:37.642
  • BECOMING A PASTOR.AND THE ONES I MET WERE
  • 00:15:37.642 --> 00:15:38.977
  • AND THE ONES I MET WEREMISSIONARIES.
  • 00:15:38.977 --> 00:15:40.545
  • MISSIONARIES.THEY WERE FROM OVERSEAS.
  • 00:15:40.545 --> 00:15:41.479
  • THEY WERE FROM OVERSEAS.SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO
  • 00:15:41.479 --> 00:15:42.847
  • SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWOMODELS I ACTUALLY SAW.
  • 00:15:42.847 --> 00:15:44.616
  • MODELS I ACTUALLY SAW.I DON'T REMEMBER EVER MEETING A
  • 00:15:44.616 --> 00:15:45.817
  • I DON'T REMEMBER EVER MEETING ASINGLE ITINERANT WHO WAS DOING
  • 00:15:45.817 --> 00:15:47.252
  • SINGLE ITINERANT WHO WAS DOINGEVANGELISM OF ANY REPUTE OUT
  • 00:15:47.252 --> 00:15:48.687
  • EVANGELISM OF ANY REPUTE OUTTHERE.
  • 00:15:48.687 --> 00:15:49.821
  • THERE.I HEARD OF BILLY GRAHAM.
  • 00:15:49.821 --> 00:15:51.156
  • I HEARD OF BILLY GRAHAM.IN FACT, HE CAME TO OUR CHURCH.
  • 00:15:51.156 --> 00:15:52.857
  • IN FACT, HE CAME TO OUR CHURCH.I'VE GOT A PICTURE WHEN HE
  • 00:15:52.857 --> 00:15:54.559
  • I'VE GOT A PICTURE WHEN HEVISITED THE CENTENARY METHODIST
  • 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:55.560
  • VISITED THE CENTENARY METHODISTCHURCH IN DELHI, SITTING ON THE
  • 00:15:55.560 --> 00:15:57.128
  • CHURCH IN DELHI, SITTING ON THEPLATFORM.
  • 00:15:57.128 --> 00:15:58.196
  • PLATFORM.IT'S A SMALL CHURCH, BUT HE CAME
  • 00:15:58.196 --> 00:16:00.265
  • IT'S A SMALL CHURCH, BUT HE CAMEAND SPOKE THERE.
  • 00:16:00.265 --> 00:16:02.634
  • AND SPOKE THERE.WHAT HAPPENED, I WAS GOING INTO
  • 00:16:02.634 --> 00:16:04.035
  • WHAT HAPPENED, I WAS GOING INTOTHE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.
  • 00:16:04.035 --> 00:16:05.270
  • THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.UNTIL THIS DAY, I REALLY LOVE
  • 00:16:05.270 --> 00:16:06.471
  • UNTIL THIS DAY, I REALLY LOVETHE HOTEL INDUSTRY.
  • 00:16:06.471 --> 00:16:08.707
  • THE HOTEL INDUSTRY.THE FOOD INDUSTRY.
  • 00:16:08.707 --> 00:16:09.474
  • THE FOOD INDUSTRY.- ERIC: DON'T YOU PRETTY MUCH
  • 00:16:09.474 --> 00:16:10.241
  • - ERIC: DON'T YOU PRETTY MUCHLIVE IN HOTELS AT THIS POINT IN
  • 00:16:10.241 --> 00:16:11.343
  • LIVE IN HOTELS AT THIS POINT INYOUR LIFE?
  • 00:16:11.343 --> 00:16:12.143
  • YOUR LIFE?- RAVI: I DO. ON THE RIGHT
  • 00:16:12.143 --> 00:16:13.878
  • - RAVI: I DO. ON THE RIGHTSIDE OF IT.
  • 00:16:13.878 --> 00:16:15.613
  • SIDE OF IT.SO I MOVED TO CANADA WHEN I WAS
  • 00:16:15.613 --> 00:16:17.215
  • SO I MOVED TO CANADA WHEN I WAS20.
  • 00:16:17.215 --> 00:16:18.616
  • 20.- ERIC: WHY?
  • 00:16:18.616 --> 00:16:19.351
  • - ERIC: WHY?- RAVI: THAT'S IT.
  • 00:16:19.351 --> 00:16:20.618
  • - RAVI: THAT'S IT.MY FATHER SENT MY OLDER BROTHER
  • 00:16:20.618 --> 00:16:22.420
  • MY FATHER SENT MY OLDER BROTHERWHO WAS 22 AND ME 20 TO--
  • 00:16:22.420 --> 00:16:24.089
  • WHO WAS 22 AND ME 20 TO--I WAS GOING TO GO TO CORNELL TO
  • 00:16:24.089 --> 00:16:26.725
  • I WAS GOING TO GO TO CORNELL TOGET A DEGREE IN HOSPITALITY
  • 00:16:26.725 --> 00:16:27.692
  • GET A DEGREE IN HOSPITALITYMANAGEMENT.
  • 00:16:27.692 --> 00:16:28.326
  • MANAGEMENT.- ERIC: OF COURSE.
  • 00:16:28.326 --> 00:16:29.127
  • - ERIC: OF COURSE.CORNELL, THEY HAVE THAT.
  • 00:16:29.127 --> 00:16:30.328
  • CORNELL, THEY HAVE THAT.I'VE HAD FRIENDS THAT HAVE GONE
  • 00:16:30.328 --> 00:16:31.162
  • I'VE HAD FRIENDS THAT HAVE GONETO CORNELL FOR THAT
  • 00:16:31.162 --> 00:16:32.263
  • TO CORNELL FOR THATSPECIFICALLY.
  • 00:16:32.263 --> 00:16:33.198
  • SPECIFICALLY.- RAVI: VERY WELL RECOGNIZED.
  • 00:16:33.198 --> 00:16:33.832
  • - RAVI: VERY WELL RECOGNIZED.- ERIC: BUT IT'S NOT IN
  • 00:16:33.832 --> 00:16:34.866
  • - ERIC: BUT IT'S NOT INCANADA.
  • 00:16:34.866 --> 00:16:35.734
  • CANADA.- RAVI: NO. I GOT A VISA TO
  • 00:16:35.734 --> 00:16:37.902
  • - RAVI: NO. I GOT A VISA TOGO TO CANADA FIRST TO WORK.
  • 00:16:37.902 --> 00:16:38.703
  • GO TO CANADA FIRST TO WORK.I WAS GOING TO EARN MY WAY.
  • 00:16:38.703 --> 00:16:40.071
  • I WAS GOING TO EARN MY WAY.SAVE SOME MONEY.
  • 00:16:40.071 --> 00:16:41.339
  • SAVE SOME MONEY.MY DAD AND MUM COULDN'T HAVE
  • 00:16:41.339 --> 00:16:42.440
  • MY DAD AND MUM COULDN'T HAVESUPPORTED ME WITH THAT COST OF
  • 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:43.041
  • SUPPORTED ME WITH THAT COST OFEDUCATION.
  • 00:16:43.041 --> 00:16:45.944
  • EDUCATION.SO WHILE I WAS WORKING IN THE
  • 00:16:45.944 --> 00:16:47.145
  • SO WHILE I WAS WORKING IN THEHOTEL INDUSTRY THERE GETTING
  • 00:16:47.145 --> 00:16:48.947
  • HOTEL INDUSTRY THERE GETTINGSOME EXPERIENCE AND WORKING, I
  • 00:16:48.947 --> 00:16:52.417
  • SOME EXPERIENCE AND WORKING, ISTARTED TAKING SOME PART TIME
  • 00:16:52.417 --> 00:16:53.318
  • STARTED TAKING SOME PART TIMECOURSES AT A SEMINARY IN
  • 00:16:53.318 --> 00:16:55.053
  • COURSES AT A SEMINARY INTORONTO.
  • 00:16:55.053 --> 00:16:56.855
  • TORONTO.AND, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL
  • 00:16:56.855 --> 00:16:57.555
  • AND, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ALLOF THIS HAPPENED.
  • 00:16:57.555 --> 00:17:00.158
  • OF THIS HAPPENED.WHY DID I START DOING THAT?
  • 00:17:00.158 --> 00:17:02.660
  • WHY DID I START DOING THAT?I WAS WORKING NIGHTS.
  • 00:17:02.660 --> 00:17:04.195
  • I WAS WORKING NIGHTS.WHY DO I NEED TO BE AWAKE LONGER
  • 00:17:04.195 --> 00:17:05.363
  • WHY DO I NEED TO BE AWAKE LONGERDURING THE DAY?
  • 00:17:05.363 --> 00:17:06.798
  • DURING THE DAY?BUT IT WAS THAT HUNGER.
  • 00:17:06.798 --> 00:17:08.299
  • BUT IT WAS THAT HUNGER.I JUST WANTED TO STUDY.
  • 00:17:08.299 --> 00:17:09.534
  • I JUST WANTED TO STUDY.I NEVER HEARD OF THE TERM
  • 00:17:09.534 --> 00:17:10.802
  • I NEVER HEARD OF THE TERMSYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY.
  • 00:17:10.802 --> 00:17:13.104
  • SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY.NEVER HEARD OF THE GREAT CHURCH
  • 00:17:13.104 --> 00:17:14.539
  • NEVER HEARD OF THE GREAT CHURCHFATHERS AND ALL.
  • 00:17:14.539 --> 00:17:16.307
  • FATHERS AND ALL.I WAS TAKING THESE COURSES, AND
  • 00:17:16.307 --> 00:17:17.709
  • I WAS TAKING THESE COURSES, ANDTHIS WAS LIKE, MY APPETITE WAS
  • 00:17:17.709 --> 00:17:19.044
  • THIS WAS LIKE, MY APPETITE WASBEING STIRRED.
  • 00:17:19.044 --> 00:17:20.211
  • BEING STIRRED.I WAS EXCITED ABOUT GOING TO TWO
  • 00:17:20.211 --> 00:17:21.479
  • I WAS EXCITED ABOUT GOING TO TWOOR THREE HOURS OF LECTURES EVERY
  • 00:17:21.479 --> 00:17:22.380
  • OR THREE HOURS OF LECTURES EVERYDAY.
  • 00:17:22.380 --> 00:17:25.550
  • DAY.I WAS PLOWING THROUGH THIS WHOLE
  • 00:17:25.550 --> 00:17:26.918
  • I WAS PLOWING THROUGH THIS WHOLEHOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.
  • 00:17:26.918 --> 00:17:28.019
  • HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.AND I WAS GETTING MORE AND MORE
  • 00:17:28.019 --> 00:17:29.187
  • AND I WAS GETTING MORE AND MORERESTLESS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS
  • 00:17:29.187 --> 00:17:31.623
  • RESTLESS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONSIN THE HOTELS.
  • 00:17:31.623 --> 00:17:33.658
  • IN THE HOTELS.I LOOKED AT THE LIFE THERE, AND
  • 00:17:33.658 --> 00:17:35.126
  • I LOOKED AT THE LIFE THERE, ANDWITHOUT GETTING TOO DETAILED, I
  • 00:17:35.126 --> 00:17:36.928
  • WITHOUT GETTING TOO DETAILED, ISAID, IS THIS WHAT I REALLY
  • 00:17:36.928 --> 00:17:38.930
  • SAID, IS THIS WHAT I REALLYWANT?
  • 00:17:38.930 --> 00:17:40.465
  • WANT?ERIC, THINGS HAPPEN AFTER
  • 00:17:40.465 --> 00:17:42.700
  • ERIC, THINGS HAPPEN AFTERMIDNIGHT IN THOSE PLACES THAT IS
  • 00:17:42.700 --> 00:17:44.502
  • MIDNIGHT IN THOSE PLACES THAT ISNOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY FOR THE
  • 00:17:44.502 --> 00:17:45.336
  • NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY FOR THEFAMILY.
  • 00:17:45.336 --> 00:17:46.638
  • FAMILY.THAT WAS THE FIRST THING.
  • 00:17:46.638 --> 00:17:48.173
  • THAT WAS THE FIRST THING.SECOND THING WAS, WE WORKED LONG
  • 00:17:48.173 --> 00:17:49.974
  • SECOND THING WAS, WE WORKED LONGHOURS.
  • 00:17:49.974 --> 00:17:51.443
  • HOURS.BUT IN THE MEANTIME, JUST BEFORE
  • 00:17:51.443 --> 00:17:52.911
  • BUT IN THE MEANTIME, JUST BEFOREI LEFT INDIA, AT THE AGE OF 19,
  • 00:17:52.911 --> 00:17:56.014
  • I LEFT INDIA, AT THE AGE OF 19,THE FIRST ASIAN CHRISTIAN YOUTH
  • 00:17:56.014 --> 00:17:59.918
  • THE FIRST ASIAN CHRISTIAN YOUTHCONGRESS WAS HELD IN HYDERABAD.
  • 00:17:59.918 --> 00:18:01.186
  • CONGRESS WAS HELD IN HYDERABAD.I WENT IN ORDER TO CHEER FOR THE
  • 00:18:01.186 --> 00:18:02.220
  • I WENT IN ORDER TO CHEER FOR THEDELHI TEAM.
  • 00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:04.422
  • DELHI TEAM.THEY WERE COMING FROM ALL OVER.
  • 00:18:04.422 --> 00:18:05.090
  • THEY WERE COMING FROM ALL OVER.THE FELLOW IS NOW MY
  • 00:18:05.090 --> 00:18:07.492
  • THE FELLOW IS NOW MYBROTHER-IN-LAW.
  • 00:18:07.492 --> 00:18:09.094
  • BROTHER-IN-LAW.HE WAS A BRILLIANT GUY.
  • 00:18:09.094 --> 00:18:10.028
  • HE WAS A BRILLIANT GUY.HE WAS TO REPRESENT DELHI IN THE
  • 00:18:10.028 --> 00:18:12.730
  • HE WAS TO REPRESENT DELHI IN THEPREACHER CONTEST.
  • 00:18:12.730 --> 00:18:14.499
  • PREACHER CONTEST.- ERIC: THE PREACHER CONTEST.
  • 00:18:14.499 --> 00:18:15.266
  • - ERIC: THE PREACHER CONTEST.- RAVI: THAT'S CORRECT.
  • 00:18:15.266 --> 00:18:16.267
  • - RAVI: THAT'S CORRECT.- ERIC: I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT.
  • 00:18:16.267 --> 00:18:17.602
  • - ERIC: I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT.- RAVI: HE DIDN'T COME BECAUSE
  • 00:18:17.602 --> 00:18:19.304
  • - RAVI: HE DIDN'T COME BECAUSEHE WAS A GOOD STUDENT.
  • 00:18:19.304 --> 00:18:20.672
  • HE WAS A GOOD STUDENT.I CAME BECAUSE I DIDN'T WORRY
  • 00:18:20.672 --> 00:18:22.640
  • I CAME BECAUSE I DIDN'T WORRYABOUT MY STUDIES EXAMINATION
  • 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.676
  • ABOUT MY STUDIES EXAMINATIONTIME.
  • 00:18:24.676 --> 00:18:25.443
  • TIME.ALTHOUGH, I WAS DOING WELL BY
  • 00:18:25.443 --> 00:18:26.411
  • ALTHOUGH, I WAS DOING WELL BYTHEN AS A NEW BELIEVER.
  • 00:18:26.411 --> 00:18:29.180
  • THEN AS A NEW BELIEVER.I WAS JUST TRYING TO STAY AS
  • 00:18:29.180 --> 00:18:29.981
  • I WAS JUST TRYING TO STAY ASMUCH AS I COULD AT THE TOP OF MY
  • 00:18:29.981 --> 00:18:31.049
  • MUCH AS I COULD AT THE TOP OF MYCLASS.
  • 00:18:31.049 --> 00:18:32.150
  • CLASS.MY PRINCIPAL LOVED ME, AND HE
  • 00:18:32.150 --> 00:18:33.518
  • MY PRINCIPAL LOVED ME, AND HESAID, LOOK, I KNOW THIS IS IN
  • 00:18:33.518 --> 00:18:34.119
  • SAID, LOOK, I KNOW THIS IS INYOUR HEART.
  • 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:34.819
  • YOUR HEART.YOU GO.
  • 00:18:34.819 --> 00:18:36.187
  • YOU GO.SO I WENT.
  • 00:18:36.187 --> 00:18:38.323
  • SO I WENT.I REPRESENTED DELHI, AND
  • 00:18:38.323 --> 00:18:40.658
  • I REPRESENTED DELHI, ANDUNBELIEVABLY, I WON THE ASIAN
  • 00:18:40.658 --> 00:18:42.327
  • UNBELIEVABLY, I WON THE ASIANYOUTH PREACHER CONTEST PRIZE.
  • 00:18:42.327 --> 00:18:43.061
  • YOUTH PREACHER CONTEST PRIZE.- ERIC: IT MAKES NO HUMAN
  • 00:18:43.061 --> 00:18:44.028
  • - ERIC: IT MAKES NO HUMANSENSE.
  • 00:18:44.028 --> 00:18:45.330
  • SENSE.BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT KNOWS YOU
  • 00:18:45.330 --> 00:18:46.231
  • BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT KNOWS YOUKNOWS THAT YOU JUST DON'T HAVE
  • 00:18:46.231 --> 00:18:47.365
  • KNOWS THAT YOU JUST DON'T HAVEANY HOMILETIC TALENTS.
  • 00:18:47.365 --> 00:18:48.833
  • ANY HOMILETIC TALENTS.IT HAD TO BE GOD, RAVI, IT'S SO
  • 00:18:48.833 --> 00:18:50.368
  • IT HAD TO BE GOD, RAVI, IT'S SOOBVIOUS THAT IT HAD TO BE GOD.
  • 00:18:50.368 --> 00:18:51.469
  • OBVIOUS THAT IT HAD TO BE GOD.THE FIRST MIRACLE HAPPENS AND
  • 00:18:51.469 --> 00:18:53.138
  • THE FIRST MIRACLE HAPPENS ANDYOU WIN.
  • 00:18:53.138 --> 00:18:57.175
  • YOU WIN.YOU WIN THE PREACHING CONTEST,
  • 00:18:57.175 --> 00:19:00.044
  • YOU WIN THE PREACHING CONTEST,AND WHAT DOES THIS LEAD TO?
  • 00:19:00.044 --> 00:19:01.279
  • AND WHAT DOES THIS LEAD TO?- RAVI: THAT'S THE SEED THAT
  • 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:02.714
  • - RAVI: THAT'S THE SEED THATTHE LORD MAY HAVE SOWN IN MY
  • 00:19:02.714 --> 00:19:03.448
  • THE LORD MAY HAVE SOWN IN MYHEART.
  • 00:19:03.448 --> 00:19:06.584
  • HEART.THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT I
  • 00:19:06.584 --> 00:19:07.952
  • THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT ISTARTED CONSIDERING, COULD I
  • 00:19:07.952 --> 00:19:10.722
  • STARTED CONSIDERING, COULD ITAKE THE PLATFORM SOME DAY AND
  • 00:19:10.722 --> 00:19:13.892
  • TAKE THE PLATFORM SOME DAY ANDSPEAK FOR MY LORD, BUT I DIDN'T
  • 00:19:13.892 --> 00:19:15.026
  • SPEAK FOR MY LORD, BUT I DIDN'TKNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
  • 00:19:15.026 --> 00:19:16.528
  • KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.AT ONE POINT I HAD TO TELL MY
  • 00:19:16.528 --> 00:19:18.229
  • AT ONE POINT I HAD TO TELL MYDAD I WAS LOSING INTEREST IN THE
  • 00:19:18.229 --> 00:19:22.000
  • DAD I WAS LOSING INTEREST IN THECATERING INDUSTRY.
  • 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.701
  • CATERING INDUSTRY.WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DO WITH
  • 00:19:23.701 --> 00:19:24.569
  • WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DO WITHMY LIFE WAS PREPARE TO BECOME A
  • 00:19:24.569 --> 00:19:26.471
  • MY LIFE WAS PREPARE TO BECOME APREACHER, BUT I HAD NO IDEA.
  • 00:19:26.471 --> 00:19:28.640
  • PREACHER, BUT I HAD NO IDEA.I MEAN, WE KNEW OF BILLY GRAHAM,
  • 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.308
  • I MEAN, WE KNEW OF BILLY GRAHAM,WE KNEW OF THE CANADIAN BARRY
  • 00:19:30.308 --> 00:19:31.409
  • WE KNEW OF THE CANADIAN BARRYMOORE, BUT THESE WERE THE BIG
  • 00:19:31.409 --> 00:19:32.877
  • MOORE, BUT THESE WERE THE BIGGUYS.
  • 00:19:32.877 --> 00:19:34.312
  • GUYS.AND I WASN'T SETTING MY SIGHTS
  • 00:19:34.312 --> 00:19:35.647
  • AND I WASN'T SETTING MY SIGHTSSO HIGH.
  • 00:19:35.647 --> 00:19:37.148
  • SO HIGH.SO I WENT TO FORMAL THEOLOGICAL
  • 00:19:37.148 --> 00:19:38.616
  • SO I WENT TO FORMAL THEOLOGICALTRAINING IN WHAT IS NOW CALLED
  • 00:19:38.616 --> 00:19:41.886
  • TRAINING IN WHAT IS NOW CALLEDTYNDALE COLLEGE IN TORONTO.
  • 00:19:41.886 --> 00:19:42.587
  • TYNDALE COLLEGE IN TORONTO.AT THAT TIME IT WAS CALLED THE
  • 00:19:42.587 --> 00:19:44.522
  • AT THAT TIME IT WAS CALLED THEONTARIO BIBLE COLLEGE.
  • 00:19:44.522 --> 00:19:46.157
  • ONTARIO BIBLE COLLEGE.I WENT THERE, FINISHED MY FOUR
  • 00:19:46.157 --> 00:19:47.525
  • I WENT THERE, FINISHED MY FOURYEARS BACHELORS, FOLLOWED THAT
  • 00:19:47.525 --> 00:19:48.493
  • YEARS BACHELORS, FOLLOWED THATAT TRINITY IN DEERFIELD,
  • 00:19:48.493 --> 00:19:50.595
  • AT TRINITY IN DEERFIELD,ILLINOIS.
  • 00:19:50.595 --> 00:19:51.362
  • ILLINOIS.- ERIC: SO AT THIS POINT YOU
  • 00:19:51.362 --> 00:19:53.198
  • - ERIC: SO AT THIS POINT YOUKNOW YOU'RE ON THIS MINISTRY
  • 00:19:53.198 --> 00:19:53.965
  • KNOW YOU'RE ON THIS MINISTRYPATH.
  • 00:19:53.965 --> 00:19:55.366
  • PATH.DID YOU THINK AT THAT POINT THAT
  • 00:19:55.366 --> 00:19:58.169
  • DID YOU THINK AT THAT POINT THATYOU WOULD BE THE PASTOR OF A
  • 00:19:58.169 --> 00:20:00.505
  • YOU WOULD BE THE PASTOR OF ALOCAL CHURCH?
  • 00:20:00.505 --> 00:20:01.706
  • LOCAL CHURCH?OR WERE YOU THINKING OF
  • 00:20:01.706 --> 00:20:03.575
  • OR WERE YOU THINKING OFSOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF
  • 00:20:03.575 --> 00:20:05.210
  • SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OFWHAT YOUR LIFE HAS NOW BECOME?
  • 00:20:05.210 --> 00:20:06.477
  • WHAT YOUR LIFE HAS NOW BECOME?- RAVI: WHEN I WENT TO
  • 00:20:06.477 --> 00:20:09.080
  • - RAVI: WHEN I WENT TOTRINITY, IT WAS 1973.
  • 00:20:09.080 --> 00:20:12.116
  • TRINITY, IT WAS 1973.I WAS 27 YEARS OLD.
  • 00:20:12.116 --> 00:20:15.320
  • I WAS 27 YEARS OLD.I HAD ALREADY HAD A
  • 00:20:15.320 --> 00:20:16.020
  • I HAD ALREADY HAD ALIFE-CHANGING EXPERIENCE JUST
  • 00:20:16.020 --> 00:20:17.522
  • LIFE-CHANGING EXPERIENCE JUSTPRIOR TO THAT.
  • 00:20:17.522 --> 00:20:19.824
  • PRIOR TO THAT.IN THE YEAR 1971 WHEN I WAS 25,
  • 00:20:19.824 --> 00:20:22.160
  • IN THE YEAR 1971 WHEN I WAS 25,I WAS INVITED TO PREACH IN
  • 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:25.029
  • I WAS INVITED TO PREACH INVIETNAM THROUGH THE DAUGHTER THE
  • 00:20:25.029 --> 00:20:27.832
  • VIETNAM THROUGH THE DAUGHTER THEFAMED JONATHAN GOFORTH OF CHINA,
  • 00:20:27.832 --> 00:20:29.834
  • FAMED JONATHAN GOFORTH OF CHINA,ALICE JEFFRIES.
  • 00:20:29.834 --> 00:20:31.169
  • ALICE JEFFRIES.SHE HAD INVITED ME TO GO TO
  • 00:20:31.169 --> 00:20:32.203
  • SHE HAD INVITED ME TO GO TOVIETNAM BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN A
  • 00:20:32.203 --> 00:20:33.104
  • VIETNAM BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN AMISSIONARY THERE FOR NEARLY 50
  • 00:20:33.104 --> 00:20:35.907
  • MISSIONARY THERE FOR NEARLY 50YEARS.
  • 00:20:35.907 --> 00:20:36.941
  • YEARS.SO I WENT THERE.
  • 00:20:36.941 --> 00:20:39.110
  • SO I WENT THERE.I TRAVELED THROUGH THE LENGTH OF
  • 00:20:39.110 --> 00:20:40.044
  • I TRAVELED THROUGH THE LENGTH OFTHE COUNTRY WITH THE CHRISTIAN
  • 00:20:40.044 --> 00:20:41.212
  • THE COUNTRY WITH THE CHRISTIANMISSIONARY ALLIANCE, THE
  • 00:20:41.212 --> 00:20:41.946
  • MISSIONARY ALLIANCE, THEDENOMINATION THAT I LATER GOT
  • 00:20:41.946 --> 00:20:44.449
  • DENOMINATION THAT I LATER GOTORDAINED WITH.
  • 00:20:44.449 --> 00:20:45.383
  • ORDAINED WITH.BUT THE AMERICAN TROOPS GOT ME
  • 00:20:45.383 --> 00:20:47.552
  • BUT THE AMERICAN TROOPS GOT MEAROUND IN THE HELICOPTERS, OR I
  • 00:20:47.552 --> 00:20:49.287
  • AROUND IN THE HELICOPTERS, OR IDROVE ON THE LONELY HIGHWAYS.
  • 00:20:49.287 --> 00:20:50.154
  • DROVE ON THE LONELY HIGHWAYS.- ERIC: RAVI, THIS IS AMAZING.
  • 00:20:50.154 --> 00:20:52.790
  • - ERIC: RAVI, THIS IS AMAZING.I HAD NO IDEA THAT YOU OR ANYONE
  • 00:20:52.790 --> 00:20:54.192
  • I HAD NO IDEA THAT YOU OR ANYONEHAD DONE SUCH A THING.
  • 00:20:54.192 --> 00:20:56.427
  • HAD DONE SUCH A THING.TO BE PREACHING IN VIETNAM IN
  • 00:20:56.427 --> 00:20:58.062
  • TO BE PREACHING IN VIETNAM IN1971, IT'S ONE THING FOR BOB
  • 00:20:58.062 --> 00:20:59.631
  • 1971, IT'S ONE THING FOR BOBHOPE TO CRACK A FEW JOKES, BUT I
  • 00:20:59.631 --> 00:21:01.899
  • HOPE TO CRACK A FEW JOKES, BUT INEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
  • 00:21:01.899 --> 00:21:05.103
  • NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THIS.- RAVI: AS I SIT HERE TALKING
  • 00:21:05.103 --> 00:21:07.005
  • - RAVI: AS I SIT HERE TALKINGTO YOU AND YOU RETRACE YOUR
  • 00:21:07.005 --> 00:21:07.972
  • TO YOU AND YOU RETRACE YOURSTEPS, YOU SEE THE HAND OF GOD
  • 00:21:07.972 --> 00:21:09.207
  • STEPS, YOU SEE THE HAND OF GODIN IT ALL.
  • 00:21:09.207 --> 00:21:10.441
  • IN IT ALL.NOW, THERE WERE GREAT
  • 00:21:10.441 --> 00:21:12.343
  • NOW, THERE WERE GREATMISSIONARIES THERE.
  • 00:21:12.343 --> 00:21:13.645
  • MISSIONARIES THERE.THE CHURCH, IT WAS CALLED
  • 00:21:13.645 --> 00:21:15.046
  • THE CHURCH, IT WAS CALLEDTIN LANH, THE GOOD NEWS CHURCH
  • 00:21:15.046 --> 00:21:16.414
  • TIN LANH, THE GOOD NEWS CHURCHAND THE NATIONAL PROTESTANT
  • 00:21:16.414 --> 00:21:17.915
  • AND THE NATIONAL PROTESTANTCHURCH OF VIETNAM CHURCH WAS THE
  • 00:21:17.915 --> 00:21:19.851
  • CHURCH OF VIETNAM CHURCH WAS THEC&MA CHURCH AT THAT TIME.
  • 00:21:19.851 --> 00:21:20.685
  • C&MA CHURCH AT THAT TIME.BUT THERE WERE MANY OTHER
  • 00:21:20.685 --> 00:21:21.586
  • BUT THERE WERE MANY OTHERMISSIONARIES THERE TOO.
  • 00:21:21.586 --> 00:21:22.287
  • MISSIONARIES THERE TOO.BUT FOR THEM TO TRUST A YOUNG
  • 00:21:22.287 --> 00:21:23.421
  • BUT FOR THEM TO TRUST A YOUNGGUY LIKE ME.
  • 00:21:23.421 --> 00:21:26.224
  • GUY LIKE ME.I'M STILL HALFWAY THROUGH MY
  • 00:21:26.224 --> 00:21:27.925
  • I'M STILL HALFWAY THROUGH MYTHEOLOGICAL EDUCATION.
  • 00:21:27.925 --> 00:21:30.061
  • THEOLOGICAL EDUCATION.WHAT HAPPENED, REVIVAL BROKE OUT
  • 00:21:30.061 --> 00:21:31.596
  • WHAT HAPPENED, REVIVAL BROKE OUTTHROUGH THOSE MEETINGS.
  • 00:21:31.596 --> 00:21:32.297
  • THROUGH THOSE MEETINGS.MY INTERPRETER WAS ABOUT 17
  • 00:21:32.297 --> 00:21:33.064
  • MY INTERPRETER WAS ABOUT 17YEARS OLD.
  • 00:21:33.064 --> 00:21:35.400
  • YEARS OLD.I WAS SHOCKED HOW GOD WAS USING
  • 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:36.234
  • I WAS SHOCKED HOW GOD WAS USINGUS.
  • 00:21:36.234 --> 00:21:37.535
  • US.I HAD ONE SERMON BOOK I HAD KEPT
  • 00:21:37.535 --> 00:21:39.137
  • I HAD ONE SERMON BOOK I HAD KEPTI MY JACKET.
  • 00:21:39.137 --> 00:21:40.838
  • I MY JACKET.THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF SERMONS.
  • 00:21:40.838 --> 00:21:42.340
  • THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF SERMONS.I JUST KEPT REPEATING THEM AND
  • 00:21:42.340 --> 00:21:44.409
  • I JUST KEPT REPEATING THEM ANDMOVING THROUGH EVERY CITY.
  • 00:21:44.409 --> 00:21:45.610
  • MOVING THROUGH EVERY CITY.I STILL REMEMBER ONE OF THEM WAS
  • 00:21:45.610 --> 00:21:47.011
  • I STILL REMEMBER ONE OF THEM WASTHE CROSS OF CHRIST THAT I
  • 00:21:47.011 --> 00:21:48.680
  • THE CROSS OF CHRIST THAT IPREACHED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
  • 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:50.214
  • PREACHED AGAIN AND AGAIN.AND EVERY TIME PEOPLE WOULD
  • 00:21:50.214 --> 00:21:52.583
  • AND EVERY TIME PEOPLE WOULDRESPOND AND IN ONE OF THOSE
  • 00:21:52.583 --> 00:21:53.785
  • RESPOND AND IN ONE OF THOSESESSIONS IN YA TRANG, JUST ABOUT
  • 00:21:53.785 --> 00:21:54.852
  • SESSIONS IN YA TRANG, JUST ABOUTTHE WHOLE STUDENT BODY WALKED
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  • THE WHOLE STUDENT BODY WALKEDFORWARD AND FELL ON THEIR FACE
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  • FORWARD AND FELL ON THEIR FACEBEFORE GOD.
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  • BEFORE GOD.AND THAT AGAIN WAS THE IMPRINT
  • 00:22:00.491 --> 00:22:02.393
  • AND THAT AGAIN WAS THE IMPRINTOF GOD REMINDING ME WHAT HE
  • 00:22:02.393 --> 00:22:04.095
  • OF GOD REMINDING ME WHAT HECOULD DO WITH ME.
  • 00:22:04.095 --> 00:22:04.962
  • COULD DO WITH ME.SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BY
  • 00:22:04.962 --> 00:22:06.130
  • SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BYTHE TIME I GOT TO TRINITY I KNEW
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  • THE TIME I GOT TO TRINITY I KNEWEVANGELISM WAS FLOWING IN MY
  • 00:22:07.999 --> 00:22:09.834
  • EVANGELISM WAS FLOWING IN MYVEINS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY
  • 00:22:09.834 --> 00:22:11.936
  • VEINS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLYWHAT.
  • 00:22:11.936 --> 00:22:14.105
  • WHAT.SO HERE I AM AT TRINITY,
  • 00:22:14.105 --> 00:22:15.807
  • SO HERE I AM AT TRINITY,STUDYING ON SOME OF THE GREATEST
  • 00:22:15.807 --> 00:22:17.775
  • STUDYING ON SOME OF THE GREATESTMINDS OF ALL TIME.
  • 00:22:17.775 --> 00:22:19.444
  • MINDS OF ALL TIME.CARL FH HENRY, JOHN GERSTNER,
  • 00:22:19.444 --> 00:22:21.346
  • CARL FH HENRY, JOHN GERSTNER,KENNETH KANTZER, GI PACKER,
  • 00:22:21.346 --> 00:22:22.880
  • KENNETH KANTZER, GI PACKER,JOHN RW STOTT.
  • 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:23.848
  • JOHN RW STOTT.I HOWARD MARSHALL.
  • 00:22:23.848 --> 00:22:25.383
  • I HOWARD MARSHALL.GLEASON ARCHER.
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  • GLEASON ARCHER.- ERIC: THEY WERE ALL THERE
  • 00:22:26.117 --> 00:22:26.684
  • - ERIC: THEY WERE ALL THERETHEN?
  • 00:22:26.684 --> 00:22:27.418
  • THEN?- RAVI: ALL THERE AT THE SAME
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  • - RAVI: ALL THERE AT THE SAMETIME.
  • 00:22:28.219 --> 00:22:29.187
  • TIME.IT WAS A HEYDAY.
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  • IT WAS A HEYDAY.- ERIC: HOLY COW.
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  • - ERIC: HOLY COW.- RAVI: AND THE TWO THAT
  • 00:22:31.222 --> 00:22:32.156
  • - RAVI: AND THE TWO THATCHANGED MY PATH WERE JOHN
  • 00:22:32.156 --> 00:22:33.157
  • CHANGED MY PATH WERE JOHNWARRICK MONTGOMERY AND
  • 00:22:33.157 --> 00:22:35.026
  • WARRICK MONTGOMERY ANDNORM GEISLER.
  • 00:22:35.026 --> 00:22:37.328
  • NORM GEISLER.AND AFTER BEING UNDER GEISLER
  • 00:22:37.328 --> 00:22:38.696
  • AND AFTER BEING UNDER GEISLERAND MONTGOMERY, WATCHING THEIR
  • 00:22:38.696 --> 00:22:40.898
  • AND MONTGOMERY, WATCHING THEIRINCREDIBLE DEBATES AT THAT TIME,
  • 00:22:40.898 --> 00:22:42.166
  • INCREDIBLE DEBATES AT THAT TIME,I SAID, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO
  • 00:22:42.166 --> 00:22:43.201
  • I SAID, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TODO.
  • 00:22:43.201 --> 00:22:44.302
  • DO.I WANT TO DEFEND THE GOSPEL FOR
  • 00:22:44.302 --> 00:22:47.004
  • I WANT TO DEFEND THE GOSPEL FORCHRIST'S SAKE, AND AFTER I
  • 00:22:47.004 --> 00:22:49.907
  • CHRIST'S SAKE, AND AFTER IGRADUATED, TRAVEL THE WORLD.
  • 00:22:49.907 --> 00:22:51.743
  • GRADUATED, TRAVEL THE WORLD.I GRADUATED IN '76.
  • 00:22:51.743 --> 00:22:53.144
  • I GRADUATED IN '76.IN '77, THE C&MA SENT ME AROUND
  • 00:22:53.144 --> 00:22:55.747
  • IN '77, THE C&MA SENT ME AROUNDTHE WORLD 15 COUNTRIES OVER 48
  • 00:22:55.747 --> 00:22:58.182
  • THE WORLD 15 COUNTRIES OVER 48STRAIGHT WEEKS.
  • 00:22:58.182 --> 00:23:01.319
  • STRAIGHT WEEKS.I PREACHED 576 TIMES WITH MY
  • 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.187
  • I PREACHED 576 TIMES WITH MYWIFE AND MY TWO-YEAR-OLD
  • 00:23:03.187 --> 00:23:04.255
  • WIFE AND MY TWO-YEAR-OLDDAUGHTER, AND I CAME BACK A
  • 00:23:04.255 --> 00:23:06.724
  • DAUGHTER, AND I CAME BACK ACHANGED MAN.
  • 00:23:06.724 --> 00:23:07.925
  • CHANGED MAN.I WAS WORN OUT, BUT I SAID, THIS
  • 00:23:07.925 --> 00:23:10.762
  • I WAS WORN OUT, BUT I SAID, THISIS MY CALLING.
  • 00:23:10.762 --> 00:23:13.464
  • IS MY CALLING.I AM AN EVANGELIST IN MY BONES,
  • 00:23:13.464 --> 00:23:16.000
  • I AM AN EVANGELIST IN MY BONES,AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO.
  • 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:16.768
  • AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO.- ERIC: IT'S FATIGUING JUST
  • 00:23:16.768 --> 00:23:17.535
  • - ERIC: IT'S FATIGUING JUSTLISTENING TO YOU RECOUNT THAT IN
  • 00:23:17.535 --> 00:23:18.603
  • LISTENING TO YOU RECOUNT THAT INA SENTENCE.
  • 00:23:18.603 --> 00:23:20.037
  • A SENTENCE.TAKE US FORWARD.
  • 00:23:20.037 --> 00:23:22.240
  • TAKE US FORWARD.YOU SAY IT WAS THIS SIGNAL YEAR
  • 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:23.708
  • YOU SAY IT WAS THIS SIGNAL YEARIN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:23:23.708 --> 00:23:24.442
  • IN YOUR LIFE.- RAVI: I FOUND MY CALLING,
  • 00:23:24.442 --> 00:23:25.777
  • - RAVI: I FOUND MY CALLING,ERIC.
  • 00:23:25.777 --> 00:23:27.612
  • ERIC.I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD WANT
  • 00:23:27.612 --> 00:23:29.647
  • I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD WANTTO LISTEN TO ME SUNDAY AFTER
  • 00:23:29.647 --> 00:23:30.515
  • TO LISTEN TO ME SUNDAY AFTERSUNDAY IN THE SAME CHURCH.
  • 00:23:30.515 --> 00:23:32.784
  • SUNDAY IN THE SAME CHURCH.I'M TOO INTENSE.
  • 00:23:32.784 --> 00:23:33.651
  • I'M TOO INTENSE.I'VE GOT A LOT OF PASSION IN
  • 00:23:33.651 --> 00:23:35.153
  • I'VE GOT A LOT OF PASSION INWHAT I SAY.
  • 00:23:35.153 --> 00:23:37.288
  • WHAT I SAY.A PASTOR'S PRIVILEGE IS TO
  • 00:23:37.288 --> 00:23:39.791
  • A PASTOR'S PRIVILEGE IS TOPRESENT LINE UPON LINE, TO BUILD
  • 00:23:39.791 --> 00:23:42.660
  • PRESENT LINE UPON LINE, TO BUILDTHE TRUTH AND LET THE TRUTH DO
  • 00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:43.561
  • THE TRUTH AND LET THE TRUTH DOTHAT PERSUADING OVER A PERIOD OF
  • 00:23:43.561 --> 00:23:45.029
  • THAT PERSUADING OVER A PERIOD OFTIME.
  • 00:23:45.029 --> 00:23:45.797
  • TIME.WE EVANGELISTS GO IN FOR SHORTER
  • 00:23:45.797 --> 00:23:47.398
  • WE EVANGELISTS GO IN FOR SHORTERSPANS.
  • 00:23:47.398 --> 00:23:48.566
  • SPANS.SO WE HAVE TO COME IN WITH THAT
  • 00:23:48.566 --> 00:23:50.101
  • SO WE HAVE TO COME IN WITH THATINTENSITY AND THE PASSION,
  • 00:23:50.101 --> 00:23:51.402
  • INTENSITY AND THE PASSION,BECAUSE WHOEVER IS COMING IS
  • 00:23:51.402 --> 00:23:53.504
  • BECAUSE WHOEVER IS COMING ISALSO COMING SORT OF ONCE IN A
  • 00:23:53.504 --> 00:23:55.606
  • ALSO COMING SORT OF ONCE IN AWAY FOR THAT.
  • 00:23:55.606 --> 00:23:57.175
  • WAY FOR THAT.THAT'S WHAT I WAS CALLED TO DO.
  • 00:23:57.175 --> 00:23:58.843
  • THAT'S WHAT I WAS CALLED TO DO.AND I BEGAN DOING EVANGELISTIC
  • 00:23:58.843 --> 00:23:59.577
  • AND I BEGAN DOING EVANGELISTICWORK.
  • 00:23:59.577 --> 00:24:01.746
  • WORK.YOU'RE RIGHT.
  • 00:24:01.746 --> 00:24:02.480
  • YOU'RE RIGHT.IT'S BEEN 47 YEARS SINCE I DID
  • 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:03.347
  • IT'S BEEN 47 YEARS SINCE I DIDTHAT.
  • 00:24:03.347 --> 00:24:04.315
  • THAT.I STARTED THAT, AND NEVER LOOKED
  • 00:24:04.315 --> 00:24:05.183
  • I STARTED THAT, AND NEVER LOOKEDBACK.
  • 00:24:05.183 --> 00:24:06.517
  • BACK.- ERIC: I'M SORRY, WE ARE OUT
  • 00:24:06.517 --> 00:24:07.618
  • - ERIC: I'M SORRY, WE ARE OUTOF TIME.
  • 00:24:07.618 --> 00:24:09.287
  • OF TIME.BUT WE'RE JUST SO
  • 00:24:09.287 --> 00:24:10.455
  • BUT WE'RE JUST SOHAPPY, FINALLY, TO GET YOU HERE
  • 00:24:10.455 --> 00:24:11.422
  • HAPPY, FINALLY, TO GET YOU HEREIN THE STUDIO.
  • 00:24:11.422 --> 00:24:12.390
  • IN THE STUDIO.RAVI, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:24:12.390 --> 00:24:13.124
  • RAVI, THANK YOU SO MUCH.- RAVI: THANKS, ERIC, AND BY
  • 00:24:13.124 --> 00:24:13.825
  • - RAVI: THANKS, ERIC, AND BYTHE WAY, LOVED YOUR BOOKS.
  • 00:24:13.825 --> 00:24:15.426
  • THE WAY, LOVED YOUR BOOKS.I JUST CARRY THEM.
  • 00:24:15.426 --> 00:24:16.093
  • I JUST CARRY THEM.THEY ARE HEAVY, BUT I STILL
  • 00:24:16.093 --> 00:24:17.829
  • THEY ARE HEAVY, BUT I STILLCARRY THEM.
  • 00:24:17.829 --> 00:24:18.529
  • CARRY THEM.- ERIC: IF YOU'RE LISTENING
  • 00:24:18.529 --> 00:24:20.031
  • - ERIC: IF YOU'RE LISTENINGI'M BLUSHING.
  • 00:24:20.031 --> 00:24:29.998