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Leo Martin & Thanksgiving | Episode 12

Watch Leo Martin & Thanksgiving | Episode 12
November 28, 2019
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Leo Martin & Thanksgiving | Episode 12

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  • It's important they understand this information
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  • so that they know the building blocks
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  • of our country, our Christian principles.
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  • It started with the Pilgrims.
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  • And if we do not keep telling people
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  • those Christian principles,
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  • and where our country really came from,
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  • our country will go in the wrong direction.
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  • I'm Kirk Cameron, and I get to meet
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  • some pretty amazing people.
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  • These are people who totally inspire me
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  • with their hearts full of faith,
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  • character and courage.
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  • They push their limits, they think outside the box,
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  • and bravely use their gifts and talents
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  • to bless others.
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  • And today, we get to spend some time one on one.
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  • It's crazy for me to think that the Pilgrims landed
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  • in this small town of Plymouth, Massachusetts,
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  • about 400 years ago, and began the nation
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  • that we know and love today, America.
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  • Now, as you can tell,
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  • I'm not in my backyard, again,
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  • because I needed to bring you here so you could meet
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  • a real game changer and see him in his natural habitat.
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  • His name is Leo, and he's been giving tours here for 17 years.
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  • He could be one of the last
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  • remaining tour guides who's telling the truth
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  • about what really happened here 400 years ago.
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  • He's about to give a tour at one of my favorite places
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  • in Plymouth, so I'm hoping to catch him right now.
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  • Leo.
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  • -Kirk, how are you? -Hey. I'm doing great. Good to see you.
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  • -Good to see you. -Thank you. You giving a tour right now?
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  • -I am. -I'm in-- I'm just in time. Take it away.
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  • Enjoy.
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  • Good morning and welcome to Plymouth, America's Hometown.
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  • Our Pilgrims were a product of a little bump in the road
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  • back in Europe in the 1500 and 1600s.
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  • We call that bump in the road the Reformation.
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  • John Robinson, the pastor of the Pilgrims, took his folks
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  • out of the Anglican Church, and they had church in their homes.
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  • In other words, the Pilgrims separated
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  • from the Church of England.
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  • That's why we're called Separatists.
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  • Another group back then, theologically similar
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  • to the Pilgrims, stayed in the Anglican Church
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  • and tried to purify it from within.
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  • We call them the Puritans.
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  • They came ten years later and founded Boston.
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  • But folks, this is a very big difference,
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  • because when John Robinson did that, separated from the Church,
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  • he never wanted to see one person in charge
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  • of everything ever again, like the king,
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  • so he had his congregation elect him pastor, not appoint him.
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  • Appoint him, you can't get rid of him.
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  • Elect him, you can dump him.
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  • But folks, you know what that did for us?
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  • That started self-rule in our country.
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  • The result, the Mayflower Compact.
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  • First document of self-rule.
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  • We elected John Carver, the first freely-elected official
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  • in the United States, all based on the fact that Robinson never
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  • wanted to see one person
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  • in charge of everything ever again.
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  • Of course, the question is this: where in the world
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  • did John Robinson come up with
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  • this self-rule thing in the first place?
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  • Back then, there was no self-rule.
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  • Everything was tyrannical.
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  • Well, he came up with it when he started reading the Bible,
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  • and in the Old Testament, he came across a little passage
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  • called the dominion charter.
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  • We're to take dominion over the Earth--
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  • over the animals, birds, fish, things that creep and crawl--
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  • but he also read this: not each other.
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  • See, John Robinson read we're all made in the image of God.
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  • His thinking was if we're all made in the image of God,
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  • that no human being has a right to be above another human being
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  • without their consent.
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  • Self-rule is a biblical principle.
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  • Cannot have civil government, self-rule, without biblical law.
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  • Won't work.
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  • Folks, without that concept, without that truth,
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  • you cannot have a civil government.
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  • You cannot have a civil liberty without a religious liberty.
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  • You cannot have a civil government
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  • without a religious government.
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  • The wall of separation between church and state
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  • was never written in the Constitution,
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  • it was never written in the Declaration of Independence.
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  • It was written in a letter
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  • from President Jefferson to the Baptist Church
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  • in Danbury, Connecticut when they asked him, "What happens
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  • "when the federal government interferes with how I worship?"
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  • "It will never happen," said the president.
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  • "There's a wall of separation between church and state,"
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  • to protect the church from the state, and to protect us
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  • from a federally-funded church.
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  • Look at Faith. Beautiful young lady's facing the ocean.
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  • She's actually facing the exact route the Pilgrims took
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  • when they England to come here to start a new life
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  • based on biblical law.
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  • You might notice she's standing on a rock.
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  • That is Plymouth Rock.
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  • To us in Plymouth, Plymouth Rock is the sign of the overthrow
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  • of tyranny.
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  • Her Bible appears to be open a little bit,
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  • as if a breeze were blowing through it. Maybe a spirit.
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  • Well, if you ask the Pilgrims,
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  • "Oh, there's a spirit, all right," the Holy Spirit.
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  • Look up to her forehead, you'll see a star.
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  • What does that represent? Honor.
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  • Honor of intelligence, education.
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  • What we'll be doing now is moving over and talk
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  • in front of Morality.
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  • Please, if anyone has a question,
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  • do not hesitate to ask me.
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  • Naturally, if I do not know the answers to your questions,
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  • I make stuff up.
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  • -(laughter) -Does that work for everybody? That's okay?
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  • Over here.
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  • (clears throat) Folks,
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  • when we look at these smaller statues underneath, uh, Faith,
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  • you're gonna notice a representation
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  • of both the Old and the New Testament.
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  • For example, this young lady,
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  • Morality, has the Ten Commandments in one hand.
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  • Rolled up neatly in her lap on the other side,
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  • the scroll of Revelation, last book of the Bible.
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  • Notice her breastplate. Very similar to the breastplate
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  • of the high priest of the Old Testament.
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  • Why is that there? Now that we have a relationship with God--
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  • he's talking to us, we're talking to him-- we're priests.
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  • We have a priestly mission.
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  • What is our priestly mission?
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  • Moving the Church from England to Plymouth
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  • to start a new life based on biblical law.
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  • That's our priestly mission.
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  • And on either side of these statues are two smaller statues.
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  • Over here, a small statue of a prophet.
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  • The prophet in the Old Testament
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  • is the person that talked to God for us.
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  • Now we're talking to God.
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  • We no longer need the prophet. We're the prophet.
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  • The only question is what do you do with the information you get?
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  • Folks, you tell other people about it, you evangelize.
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  • Over here, a small statue of an evangelist.
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  • And underneath, what we call an alto-relief cut in marble
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  • of part of the Pilgrims' lives.
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  • This alto-relief is called the Embarcation.
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  • When our Pilgrims separated from the Church of England,
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  • that did not sit well with the king.
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  • They were forced out of England, went to Holland for 12 years
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  • where they could worship freely.
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  • While in Holland,
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  • the congregation grew to over 300 people.
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  • When they came here 12 years later, they knew they were
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  • leaving friends and family they would never see again.
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  • Look at the sadness in that picture, look at the grief.
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  • Despite the sadness and grief, they came anyway.
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  • Behind me is half the passenger list from the Mayflower.
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  • The other half of the passenger list
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  • is on the other side of the monument.
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  • And I'm sure you folks are familiar with the story.
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  • You know some of the names.
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  • William Bradford, John Carver,
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  • the infamous Myles Standish, the captain of the army.
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  • But there's names here you've never heard before,
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  • and you'll never hear them again.
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  • And of 102 Pilgrims,
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  • 51 died the first winter.
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  • But over here a minute ago, I told you
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  • we're all made in the image of God.
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  • We're all equal in the sight of God.
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  • Well, if that is true, what is this all about?
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  • These people did exactly what God asked them to do,
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  • they lost their lives doing it
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  • and nobody will ever know who they are.
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  • How in the world does that honor the individual?
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  • The point is this: they honored the individual.
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  • That first February in Plymouth, there were seven Pilgrims
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  • healthy enough to take care of everybody else.
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  • But those seven Pilgrims didn't go into a corner
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  • and take care of themselves, they took care of their friends.
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  • They bathed them, fed them, nourished them.
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  • 18 married women came on the Mayflower,
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  • 14 died the first winter, sacrificing themselves
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  • for the next generation.
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  • They honored the individual.
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  • And what is the result of what they did?
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  • The country we have today.
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  • Now we're gonna look at the external governance: Law.
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  • Take a look at that guy's face.
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  • You want to break the law with this guy around?
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  • -I don't think so. -(laughter)
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  • This guy's got your number.
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  • But he's also got his hand held up in mercy.
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  • In Plymouth, we have law with justice and mercy.
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  • What does that mean?
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  • Small statue of Justice over here, Mercy over here.
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  • The punishment has to equal the crime.
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  • Folks, we've got two problems.
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  • If you do not base your law on biblical law, you got a problem.
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  • Did you know that back in Europe in the 1600s,
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  • if you committed a crime and you were convicted,
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  • the judge that convicted you did not set the penalty?
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  • Another judge did,
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  • who had nothing to do with the first trial.
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  • And if you caught that guy in a bad mood
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  • and all you did was steal, he could have your head removed.
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  • Very rarely did the punishment equal the crime.
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  • But always, in Plymouth.
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  • Give you an example. The first duel in the United States
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  • took place in Plymouth, Massachusetts
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  • between two young men that came on the Mayflower,
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  • a man named Doty and a man named Lester.
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  • Naturally, they were fighting
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  • over the attentions of a young woman.
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  • What else?
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  • Weren't great duelists. Nicked each other a little bit,
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  • no big deal, but they broke the law, had to be punished.
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  • Governor Bradford punished them by tying their hands,
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  • their hands and feet behind them and together for 24 hours.
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  • They made it one hour, begged for mercy,
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  • the governor let them go and they never did duel again.
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  • However, all they had to do was ask the young lady.
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  • She went back to England, didn't marry either one of them.
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  • -(laughter) -Kind of a guy thing.
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  • What can I tell you?
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  • I cannot emphasize enough
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  • the importance of education.
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  • But more importantly than education itself
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  • for our Pilgrims was the source of their education.
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  • The source of the Pilgrim education was the Bible.
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  • On this
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  • On this si
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  • On this side
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  • On this side,
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  • On this side, a
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  • On this side, a sm
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  • On this side, a smal
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  • On this side, a small
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  • On this side, a small st
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  • On this side, a small stat
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  • On this side, a small statue
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  • On this side, a small statue
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  • On this side, a small statue
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  • On this side, a small statue of
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  • On this side, a small statue of Y
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  • On this side, a small statue of You
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth,
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth, a
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth, a yo
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth, a youn
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth, a young
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth, a young mo
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth, a young moth
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth, a young mother
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  • On this side, a small statue of Youth, a young mother,
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  • holding the hand of a child.
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  • Teaching that child from the Bible.
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  • Teaching that child right from wrong.
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  • How to behave in public.
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  • How to honor your adults.
  • 00:09:12.110 --> 00:09:14.040
  • But folks, back then,
  • 00:09:14.050 --> 00:09:15.150
  • things weren't much different than they are today.
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  • On occasion, a young couple
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  • did not have all the answers for their children.
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  • Where do you go to get those answers?
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  • To people who have wisdom, the elders.
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  • In other words, the grandparents.
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  • Education was a family affair.
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  • Everybody got involved.
  • 00:09:29.110 --> 00:09:30.260
  • Because the Pilgrims knew if that biblical education
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  • skipped a generation there would be trouble.
  • 00:09:34.230 --> 00:09:36.050
  • But folks, why the parents?
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  • Children are a gift from God to us.
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  • It is our responsibility to raise them properly,
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  • and if we do not, there will be a consequence.
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  • My favorite.
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  • Check out that breastplate. The helmet. The sword.
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  • But look at the sword. It's in the sheath.
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  • It's in the defensive position.
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  • This battle is over. It has been won.
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  • He has a lion draped over his shoulder.
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  • In the secular world, the sign of tyranny.
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  • In the Bible, Satan. The lion's been slain.
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  • The chains on his hands and feet are broken.
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  • He's broken the chains of tyranny.
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  • Over here, a small statue of Tyranny.
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  • That very same soldier standing on the chest of the king.
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  • Having won the battle, broken the chains of tyranny,
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  • and found the peace of the Bible.
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  • Over here a small statue of Peace.
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  • And underneath, stepping on Plymouth Rock.
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  • We started our journey around the monument
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  • with the embarkation, leaving Europe to come here
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  • to start a new life.
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  • We end it by stepping on Plymouth Rock,
  • 00:10:33.230 --> 00:10:35.070
  • the sign of the overthrow of tyranny.
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  • We left Europe, we broke the chains of tyranny,
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  • we stepped on Plymouth Rock,
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  • and we found the peace of the Bible.
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  • That is the Pilgrim's story, nothing else.
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  • Folks, we're gonna go to the quote in the back
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  • and wrap it on up.
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  • 102 came on the Mayflower.
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  • 51 died the first winter.
  • 00:10:51.150 --> 00:10:53.270
  • Yet in the first ten years, the Pilgrims started self-rule,
  • 00:10:53.280 --> 00:10:57.140
  • free trade, capitalism, land ownership,
  • 00:10:57.150 --> 00:11:00.090
  • all in ten years.
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  • And at the end of ten years, Mass Bay showed up, Boston,
  • 00:11:01.250 --> 00:11:04.230
  • with over a thousand people.
  • 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:05.280
  • And they were sick from coming over that ocean.
  • 00:11:05.290 --> 00:11:09.010
  • Our doctor, Dr. Sam Fuller, went down there
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  • to help them out.
  • 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:11.230
  • While he was there, he discovered
  • 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:12.280
  • they were still ruling from the top down,
  • 00:11:12.290 --> 00:11:15.140
  • not the bottom up.
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  • They were still appointing their officials,
  • 00:11:16.180 --> 00:11:18.030
  • not electing them.
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  • Sam suggested to them that they knock it off.
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  • Give the power to the people. They did.
  • 00:11:21.250 --> 00:11:23.210
  • Then our whole country did.
  • 00:11:23.220 --> 00:11:24.290
  • So we in Plymouth do credit Sam Fuller
  • 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.030
  • and the 51 remaining Pilgrims
  • 00:11:27.040 --> 00:11:28.060
  • for the way we are governed today.
  • 00:11:28.070 --> 00:11:30.060
  • But we're not the only ones.
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  • When that event took place in 1630,
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  • Governor William Bradford wrote this quote:
  • 00:11:33.290 --> 00:11:37.090
  • "Thus out of small beginnings
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  • "greater things have been produced by His hand
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  • "that made all things of nothing
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  • "and gives being to all things that are;
  • 00:11:42.170 --> 00:11:44.220
  • "and, as one small candle may light a thousand,
  • 00:11:44.230 --> 00:11:47.000
  • "so the light here kindled has shone unto many,
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  • "yea in some sort to our whole nation;
  • 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.290
  • "let the glorious name of Jehovah
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  • have all the praise."
  • 00:11:55.170 --> 00:11:57.180
  • And those lights he's talking about are those 51 Pilgrims.
  • 00:11:57.190 --> 00:12:01.160
  • And just as that statue of Faith is facing Europe,
  • 00:12:01.170 --> 00:12:04.040
  • and faith brought our Pilgrims here to start a new life,
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  • that quote is facing the rest our nation.
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  • To let our nation know what really happened here
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  • in Plymouth, and what really happened here in Plymouth
  • 00:12:13.230 --> 00:12:15.210
  • has nothing to do with buckles or turkey.
  • 00:12:15.220 --> 00:12:19.210
  • It has everything to do with the founding our our country.
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  • Folks, because our country was founded on Christian principles,
  • 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:27.100
  • and that is good.
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  • Because Christianity is inclusive.
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  • You do not need to be a Christian to reap the benefits
  • 00:12:32.060 --> 00:12:34.020
  • of a Christian society.
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  • God did not say all Christians are equal under the law.
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  • -He said all people. -KIRK: That's right.
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  • And now my wife and I believe it is our job
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  • to let our country know they live in a Christian nation
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  • based on Christian principles.
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  • Folks, it's the Forefathers Monument.
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  • 00:12:55.150 --> 00:12:55.160
  • KI
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  • KIRK
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  • KIRK:
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  • KIRK:
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  • KIRK:
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  • KIRK:
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  • KIRK: I
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  • KIRK: I ju
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  • KIRK: I just
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  • KIRK: I just..
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  • KIRK: I just...
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  • KIRK: I just... I-
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  • KIRK: I just... I-I
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  • I love when you tell the stories, you know?
  • 00:12:57.110 --> 00:12:58.290
  • Because it makes it so personal.
  • 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.290
  • And, uh, I-I feel like I learn so much every time
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  • I-I-I see your tour.
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  • -So this is it. -Come on in.
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  • -Let's go. -You bet.
  • 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:08.260
  • -KIRK: This is the Jenney Museum. -Yep.
  • 00:13:08.270 --> 00:13:11.190
  • (bell jingles)
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  • So, welcome into the Jenney Museum.
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  • This is our gift shop.
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  • This is where we have a lot of different books
  • 00:13:20.230 --> 00:13:23.080
  • on the Pilgrims and other time periods.
  • 00:13:23.090 --> 00:13:26.050
  • These souvenirs from the area.
  • 00:13:26.060 --> 00:13:28.070
  • -Local-made things. -KIRK: Wow.
  • 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:29.220
  • -Great. -So...
  • 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:30.290
  • I love it. You guys got
  • 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:32.070
  • Pilgrim jam over there and everything.
  • 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:33.270
  • Oh, yeah, well, cranberries are a big industry here, so...
  • 00:13:33.280 --> 00:13:37.000
  • -Okay, well, what do you have back here? -Okay.
  • 00:13:37.010 --> 00:13:39.270
  • -So this is one of my favorite rooms. -Yeah.
  • 00:13:42.150 --> 00:13:44.240
  • Called the "Pursuit of Happiness."
  • 00:13:44.250 --> 00:13:47.090
  • Actually, the "Pilgrim Pursuit of Happiness."
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  • -Mm-hmm. -All the liberties that the Pilgrims were searching for.
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  • Leo wrote a book. We took the book
  • 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.210
  • and we put it on the walls, and then
  • 00:13:54.220 --> 00:13:56.090
  • we videotaped Leo in the room talking through
  • 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:58.260
  • all the liberties that he had written in his book.
  • 00:13:58.270 --> 00:14:01.230
  • So people could actually come in, in the museum,
  • 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.260
  • sit and listen to Leo tell stories about the Pilgrims.
  • 00:14:03.270 --> 00:14:08.030
  • I love it. And then how about this room?
  • 00:14:08.040 --> 00:14:10.010
  • And this is the, uh, Abolitionists room.
  • 00:14:10.020 --> 00:14:11.280
  • Abolitionists. Why do you call it the Abolitionists room?
  • 00:14:11.290 --> 00:14:14.290
  • We call it that because we believe the Pilgrims
  • 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:16.210
  • were the first abolitionists,
  • 00:14:16.220 --> 00:14:18.160
  • where they signed a peace treaty with the Indians.
  • 00:14:18.170 --> 00:14:20.180
  • -Really? -Uh, yeah. And not only that,
  • 00:14:20.190 --> 00:14:22.190
  • the man who designed the Forefathers Monument,
  • 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.130
  • Hammatt Billings, was an abolitionist.
  • 00:14:24.140 --> 00:14:26.100
  • He actually did the drawings for the original
  • 00:14:26.110 --> 00:14:28.050
  • Uncle Tom's Cabin.
  • 00:14:28.060 --> 00:14:29.050
  • But the issue is this:
  • 00:14:29.060 --> 00:14:30.140
  • We still have a slavery problem today.
  • 00:14:30.150 --> 00:14:33.220
  • And we try to address it here.
  • 00:14:33.230 --> 00:14:35.090
  • So that people can understand, we need to fix this problem.
  • 00:14:35.100 --> 00:14:39.230
  • There's more people in slavery today
  • 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.080
  • than there were during the Civil War.
  • 00:14:41.090 --> 00:14:42.280
  • -All around the world... -Yes, sir.
  • 00:14:42.290 --> 00:14:44.090
  • -...human trafficking, that's right. -Yeah.
  • 00:14:44.100 --> 00:14:46.050
  • So, we have an Abolitionists room
  • 00:14:46.060 --> 00:14:47.150
  • -to try to teach that... -This is great. I love it.
  • 00:14:47.160 --> 00:14:49.010
  • -I love it. -No doubt.
  • 00:14:49.020 --> 00:14:50.130
  • -Now you have more downstairs, right? -Yes, we do.
  • 00:14:50.140 --> 00:14:52.180
  • We have a family exhibit downstairs.
  • 00:14:52.190 --> 00:14:53.290
  • -Can we go down and see? -Let's do it.
  • 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.290
  • Okay. Thank you.
  • 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:57.200
  • Oh, wow, look at this.
  • 00:15:00.250 --> 00:15:03.160
  • Okay, now what-what's this room?
  • 00:15:03.170 --> 00:15:04.260
  • This is the Pilgrim family exhibit.
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  • "Family-- Cornerstone of Society."
  • 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:09.120
  • The house was built in 1729
  • 00:15:09.130 --> 00:15:11.110
  • but the Pilgrims recycled wood,
  • 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:12.210
  • and they used wood over and over again.
  • 00:15:12.220 --> 00:15:14.160
  • The wall talks about traditional family:
  • 00:15:14.170 --> 00:15:17.050
  • husband, wife, children.
  • 00:15:17.060 --> 00:15:19.080
  • And then we have, over here, the Family of God.
  • 00:15:19.090 --> 00:15:21.110
  • All nationalities, all people
  • 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.140
  • are the same.
  • 00:15:23.150 --> 00:15:24.190
  • We're all made in the image of God.
  • 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.100
  • And so that's where we start, talking about the family.
  • 00:15:26.110 --> 00:15:29.020
  • And how about, uh, there?
  • 00:15:29.030 --> 00:15:30.120
  • -Is there another room back there? -Yep.
  • 00:15:30.130 --> 00:15:31.160
  • Yes, sir.
  • 00:15:31.170 --> 00:15:32.210
  • Ooh, this is cool.
  • 00:15:34.180 --> 00:15:36.000
  • Yeah.
  • 00:15:36.010 --> 00:15:37.110
  • Everyone loves this room.
  • 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:38.230
  • And what's in here? What is this?
  • 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.200
  • This is the other part of our family exhibit.
  • 00:15:40.210 --> 00:15:42.200
  • As you can see, we break it down
  • 00:15:42.210 --> 00:15:44.120
  • to different parts of the family.
  • 00:15:44.130 --> 00:15:45.250
  • We talk about family habits,
  • 00:15:45.260 --> 00:15:47.100
  • home discipline,
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  • government formed in the home, education,
  • 00:15:48.190 --> 00:15:51.060
  • and, of course, home economics.
  • 00:15:51.070 --> 00:15:53.000
  • And we pull it all together
  • 00:15:53.010 --> 00:15:54.130
  • with home influence,
  • 00:15:54.140 --> 00:15:56.170
  • passing that from generation to generation.
  • 00:15:56.180 --> 00:15:58.260
  • So we use this room for educational purposes;
  • 00:15:58.270 --> 00:16:01.170
  • have, you know, different programs down here.
  • 00:16:01.180 --> 00:16:03.150
  • -We also have lunch down here sometimes... -Yeah.
  • 00:16:03.160 --> 00:16:06.040
  • ...for some of our groups that come, so...
  • 00:16:06.050 --> 00:16:07.240
  • That actually sounds kind of good, I'm getting hungry.
  • 00:16:07.250 --> 00:16:09.050
  • -(chuckles) -Can we sit here
  • 00:16:09.060 --> 00:16:10.140
  • -and talk for a little bit? -NANCY: Sure.
  • 00:16:10.150 --> 00:16:12.020
  • LEO: I believe we can. Absolutely.
  • 00:16:12.030 --> 00:16:13.150
  • KIRK: So, Leo, I got to ask, um...
  • 00:16:13.160 --> 00:16:16.080
  • Many guys your age would, by now, take your wife,
  • 00:16:16.090 --> 00:16:20.010
  • move to Florida, relax and retire.
  • 00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:22.130
  • (chuckles): Why in the world
  • 00:16:22.140 --> 00:16:24.130
  • are you two still here in Massachusetts,
  • 00:16:24.140 --> 00:16:27.040
  • slugging through the winters, doing these tours?
  • 00:16:27.050 --> 00:16:29.270
  • We were called to do it.
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  • We were called by God.
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  • I do not believe this is an accident.
  • 00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:35.180
  • I was never a historian.
  • 00:16:35.190 --> 00:16:37.170
  • I was a contractor.
  • 00:16:37.180 --> 00:16:39.240
  • And when I was contracting, we found
  • 00:16:39.250 --> 00:16:42.130
  • that mill empty.
  • 00:16:42.140 --> 00:16:43.150
  • We went in there
  • 00:16:43.160 --> 00:16:44.210
  • and started running the mill
  • 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:45.220
  • as a for-profit corporation.
  • 00:16:45.230 --> 00:16:47.060
  • Right? 'Cause it's, uh, it's such a cool building.
  • 00:16:47.070 --> 00:16:50.000
  • Then 9/11 happened after we opened.
  • 00:16:50.010 --> 00:16:52.160
  • Then tourism tanked.
  • 00:16:52.170 --> 00:16:54.290
  • Uh, so I started talking to some people
  • 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.060
  • and someone said to me, "Do you know the Christian history
  • 00:16:57.070 --> 00:16:59.180
  • of this co-- of this town and of this mill?"
  • 00:16:59.190 --> 00:17:02.010
  • I said, "I don't. Where do I go to find that out?"
  • 00:17:02.020 --> 00:17:05.100
  • He said, "Well, there's a guy in town called Paul J. Lee.
  • 00:17:05.110 --> 00:17:08.180
  • "Call-- call him.
  • 00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:09.290
  • -See what he says." -Hmm.
  • 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:11.090
  • So I called this guy and I said, uh,
  • 00:17:11.100 --> 00:17:13.210
  • "Paul, my name's Leo Martin and I'm running the mill.
  • 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:16.000
  • "Do you have any information at all on the history
  • 00:17:16.010 --> 00:17:18.000
  • "of this country? Of the Pilgrim history here?
  • 00:17:18.010 --> 00:17:20.080
  • Of the Christian history?"
  • 00:17:20.090 --> 00:17:21.290
  • "I don't know; let me see what I can find.
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  • I'll get back to you."
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  • The next day, I had a stack of papers this high on my desk.
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  • -Hmm. -Telling me all the Christian history.
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  • Nancy and I started looking at it
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  • and...
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  • we have no choice.
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  • We have to do this.
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  • Yeah, but w-why is it important
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  • that people understand this information?
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  • It's important they understand this information
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  • so that they know where our country came from.
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  • They know the building blocks of our country
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  • and the building blocks of our country
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  • are Christian principles.
  • 00:17:49.170 --> 00:17:51.160
  • -Hmm. -And it started with the Pilgrims.
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  • And if we do not keep telling people
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  • those Christian principles and where our country
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  • really came from,
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  • our country will go in the wrong direction.
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  • -Hmm. -If you don't know where you came from,
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  • you don't know where you're going.
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  • And we came as Christians. Now, does that mean
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  • you have to be a Christian to live in the country?
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  • Of course not.
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  • But it means we are run on Christian principles.
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  • Which means we live under biblical law.
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  • And if we live under biblical law,
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  • that's fair law for everybody.
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  • Even if you're not... if you're atheist, it doesn't matter.
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  • See, now, if we came here and William Bradford
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  • were the governor and he broke the same law
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  • I broke, we'd both get the same punishment. -Hmm.
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  • He would not get another punishment
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  • 'cause he was the governor.
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  • We would be treated the same.
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  • And that would go for anybody.
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  • Christian principles are inclusive.
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  • You don't need to be a Christian
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  • to reap the benefits of a Christian society.
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  • So we need this to be out there,
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  • because, I'll tell you what, if I make up the laws,
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  • you're not gonna be very happy about it,
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  • 'cause I'll change them in my favor.
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  • But we have to have a constant.
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  • And that's God's law.
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  • And if we don't tell people that,
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  • if we don't get people back to that,
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  • we're gonna have chaos.
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  • You know, when-when most people hear about the Pilgrims,
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  • they're hearing about turkeys, they're hearing about Indians
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  • -and they're hearing about, uh, belt buckles. -LEO: Yeah.
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  • Uh, but you emphasize the faith element so much.
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  • Do you ever get opposition here in Plymouth
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  • and, uh, from people who take your tours
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  • about the way that you tell the message?
  • 00:19:08.150 --> 00:19:10.000
  • Yes. But not much.
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  • And I'll tell you why: we're telling the truth.
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  • Next week, Nancy and I'll be talking
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  • to 160 eighth graders from Pennsylvania.
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  • From a public school.
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  • -They've been coming for ten years. -Mmm.
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  • And I tell the exact same story I tell to everybody else.
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  • I tell the faith story. And if the teachers question me,
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  • I simply tell them, "Look, I'm telling you the truth.
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  • "You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to agree with
  • 00:19:29.090 --> 00:19:32.020
  • "what the Pilgrims did, but they did what they did
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  • because of their faith and that is the truth."
  • 00:19:33.210 --> 00:19:35.080
  • And they say, "Well, long as you're telling the truth,
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  • go right ahead." That opens the door for us.
  • 00:19:37.080 --> 00:19:38.150
  • -Hmm. -We're telling a true story.
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  • Nancy, you had a huge part in...
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  • in really bringing Leo to faith in God.
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  • Can you share that story a little bit?
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  • I was reading the Bible constantly,
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  • um, all the time, not living the life that we were living.
  • 00:19:49.120 --> 00:19:53.090
  • He still wanted to live and he said to me,
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  • um, you know, "This is ridiculous.
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  • "You're reading the Bible too much,
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  • "this has got to stop.
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  • I'm gonna prove you wrong."
  • 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.090
  • And so he picked up the Bible
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  • and started to read.
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  • And what really convinced him
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  • was how those disciples could...
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  • die for Him.
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  • If He wasn't real... why would they die for Him?
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  • You started investigating things and pretty soon you came
  • 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:21.290
  • -to the same conclusions that Nancy did. -Correct.
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  • 'Cause I started investigating. And sometimes being logical
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  • is okay, sometimes being logical gets you in trouble.
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  • And this time it got me in trouble.
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  • So I could not quit it. I had to look at it
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  • from a logical, from a logical point of view.
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  • This stuff has to be true.
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  • And then became a Christian.
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  • Do you guys think that this message
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  • that you're teaching about the Pilgrims
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  • is also being taught in public schools to children today?
  • 00:20:43.260 --> 00:20:46.160
  • -Absolutely not. -No.
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  • Because the public school system doesn't want
  • 00:20:48.090 --> 00:20:49.270
  • to teach about faith.
  • 00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:51.090
  • They don't want to have
  • 00:20:51.100 --> 00:20:52.180
  • a biblically-based, uh, worldview.
  • 00:20:52.190 --> 00:20:55.210
  • Their worldview is a secular worldview,
  • 00:20:55.220 --> 00:20:58.090
  • and they do not want the story of faith being told.
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  • Isn't it possible, though, to tell the Pilgrims' story
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  • and the history of our country
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  • without mentioning the faith element?
  • 00:21:04.070 --> 00:21:07.020
  • No. It's not--
  • 00:21:07.030 --> 00:21:08.260
  • -In my opinion, you can't. -Why not?
  • 00:21:08.270 --> 00:21:10.170
  • Because they did what they did because of their faith.
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  • You don't have to believe what they did-- that's fine--
  • 00:21:12.290 --> 00:21:15.060
  • but if I tell the story without the faith,
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  • I'm telling a false story, so even when I talk
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  • to secular schools, I tell them the story,
  • 00:21:19.060 --> 00:21:22.000
  • and if they... they don't have to believe it,
  • 00:21:22.010 --> 00:21:23.270
  • -Mm. -but they do have to understand that it's the truth.
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  • And I'm gonna tell them the truth.
  • 00:21:26.280 --> 00:21:28.220
  • -Mm. -They did what they did because of their faith.
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  • You cannot take that out of the story.
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  • I'm sure if you took a look at a child's, you know,
  • 00:21:33.060 --> 00:21:36.290
  • textbook in a public school, they're probably...
  • 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:38.240
  • if they're not left out,
  • 00:21:38.250 --> 00:21:40.100
  • they're probably in there, but very briefly.
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  • If
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  • If y
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  • If you
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  • If you c
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  • If you cou
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  • If you could
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  • If you could g
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  • If you could giv
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  • If you could give
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  • If you could give ad
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  • If you could give advi
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  • If you could give advice
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  • If you could give advice
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  • If you could give advice
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  • If you could give advice to par
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  • If you could give advice to paren
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  • If you could give advice to parents
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  • If you could give advice to parents t
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  • If you could give advice to parents tod
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  • If you could give advice to parents today
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  • If you could give advice to parents today,
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  • what would you tell them?
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  • Keep their eye on their children,
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  • keep their eye on their education,
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  • and if they can't homeschool them,
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  • put them in a school of faith and watch everything they do.
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  • Be on top of all of their education.
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  • I'm so impressed and so thankful
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  • for the important work that you're doing.
  • 00:22:01.250 --> 00:22:03.260
  • If you could go back
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  • and speak to the 20-year-old version of yourselves,
  • 00:22:05.120 --> 00:22:09.010
  • Nancy, what would you say to yourself?
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  • What would you say to the 20-year-old Nancy Martin?
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  • Oh, boy. I think I would say:
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  • Pay more attention-- number one--
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  • to learn a little more history.
  • 00:22:18.010 --> 00:22:20.120
  • Why is it important that they pay attention to it?
  • 00:22:20.130 --> 00:22:22.180
  • Well, 'cause God wants us to.
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  • He wants us to remember where we came from.
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  • That's why we're here, is to help people to remember,
  • 00:22:28.030 --> 00:22:31.060
  • so we can honor God
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  • for giving us this beautiful country that we have.
  • 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.120
  • I didn't... I didn't understand that when I was 20.
  • 00:22:35.130 --> 00:22:37.280
  • How about you, Leo?
  • 00:22:37.290 --> 00:22:39.080
  • I'd say, uh: "Focus, buddy.
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  • "Stop the fooling around.
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  • Get your focus."
  • 00:22:42.250 --> 00:22:44.010
  • And then I would start focusing on...
  • 00:22:44.020 --> 00:22:46.050
  • the faith history of our country at 20 years old
  • 00:22:46.060 --> 00:22:49.110
  • instead of at 60 years old,
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  • and I would start learning that faith.
  • 00:22:51.130 --> 00:22:53.050
  • I would start learning that history.
  • 00:22:53.060 --> 00:22:55.070
  • And then I would take my children,
  • 00:22:55.080 --> 00:22:56.210
  • and I would teach them, intimately,
  • 00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:58.270
  • about the founding of their country.
  • 00:22:58.280 --> 00:23:01.000
  • We're in a spiritual battle,
  • 00:23:01.010 --> 00:23:02.260
  • and if we do not take the reins now,
  • 00:23:02.270 --> 00:23:05.090
  • we're gonna be in big trouble.
  • 00:23:05.100 --> 00:23:06.140
  • As I said before, chaos in the country.
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  • God's a God of order.
  • 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.190
  • The further you move away
  • 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.240
  • from the God of order, the more chaos you have.
  • 00:23:11.250 --> 00:23:13.240
  • You know, what I think is so beautiful about the two of you
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  • and this whole museum is that you are devoting
  • 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.010
  • the years that you have left on this earth to
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  • telling people the truth about
  • 00:23:22.100 --> 00:23:24.250
  • the recipe that produces, uh, security
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  • and strength and liberty and freedom for all people, and...
  • 00:23:27.140 --> 00:23:31.100
  • I'm so thankful for that, and you've inspired me,
  • 00:23:31.110 --> 00:23:33.180
  • you have equipped me with all of your work
  • 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:35.290
  • to teach my kids.
  • 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.130
  • And I'm doing the best that I can,
  • 00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:39.060
  • and us doing this show right now
  • 00:23:39.070 --> 00:23:40.210
  • is gonna get out to a lot of people who may be inspired
  • 00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:43.110
  • to come and visit the Jenney Museum
  • 00:23:43.120 --> 00:23:44.250
  • in Plymouth, Massachusetts,
  • 00:23:44.260 --> 00:23:46.130
  • and go take that tour that, uh, that really just, you know,
  • 00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:50.100
  • launched, uh, my mission
  • 00:23:50.110 --> 00:23:52.140
  • to get this same message out, too.
  • 00:23:52.150 --> 00:23:54.190
  • -So thank you. -We appreciate your time. Thank you.
  • 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:57.050
  • And what is the result of what they did?
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  • The country we have today.
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