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Praise | Darryl Strawberry & Jason Romano | 3/29/19

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March 29, 2019

57:29

Clifton Davis hosts Darryl Strawberry & Jason Romano.

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Praise | Darryl Strawberry & Jason Romano | 3/29/19

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- MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT, ON
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"PRAISE,"
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FROM NEW YORK CITY:
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FOUR-TIME WORLD SERIES CHAMPION
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DARRYL STRAWBERRY;
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AND SPORTS BROADCASTER
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JASON ROMANO.
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AND, NOW, CLIFTON DAVIS.
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[LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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[CLIFTON LAUGHS HAPPILY]
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- CLIFTON DAVIS: (MIMICKING
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AUDIENCE CALLS) WHOOH-OOH!
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HELLO, EVERYBODY!
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[LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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HELLO!
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[LAUGHS]
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AWWW...
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I LOVE YOU!
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I LOVE YOU.
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[LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO GOOD.
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YOU MAKE ME FEEL AT HOME
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IN NEW YORK!
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[LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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[CLIFTON LAUGHS]
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AWWW...I TELL YOU...THIS IS A
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GREAT PLACE TO BE.
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HI, I'M CLIFTON DAVIS AND THIS
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IS TBN NEW YORK...
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...A PLACE WHERE, EVERY TIME
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YOU ARRIVE, YOU CAN EXPECT A
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BLESSING.
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[APPLAUSE]
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OH, YEAH -- GOD IS ABOUT
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BLESSING FOLK WHO COME IN HERE.
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YOU'LL HEAR SOMETHING THAT'LL
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HELP YOU IN LIFE, AND KEEP YOU
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MOVING FORWARD, AND MOVING UP
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TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
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AND I FULLY EXPECT THAT THAT'S
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GOING TO BE YOUR EXPERIENCE,
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TODAY.
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AND YOU WATCHING WHEREVER YOU
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ARE AROUND THE WORLD, WELCOME!
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THIS IS "PRAISE."
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AND WE'RE GONNA DO JUST THAT.
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MANY YEARS AGO-- IN FACT, IT
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WAS 39 YEARS AGO.
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THIRTY-NINE-- THANK YOU, JESUS.
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THIRTY-NINE YEARS AGO...
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[APPLAUSE]
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...I WAS SUFFERING FROM
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ADDICTION.
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I WAS ADDICTED TO ILLEGAL
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SUBSTANCES, AND, MY LIFE
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WAS HEADIN' THE WRONG WAY.
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BUT I MET A MAN NAMED JESUS
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ABOUT 39 YEARS AGO.
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[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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[CLIFTON LAUGHS]
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AND, UH...AND, IT'S BEEN
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AMAZING EVER SINCE, I'VE GOTTA
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TELL YOU.
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THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS
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BECAUSE OUR THEME TONIGHT IS
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ADDICTION AND FORGIVENESS.
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AND WE'RE GONNA TALK TO OUR
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GUESTS ABOUT THAT.
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AND I WANT YOU TO MEET OUR
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- FEMALE ANNOUNCER: FOUR-TIME
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WORD SERIES CHAMPION
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DARRYL STRAWBERRY IS A BASEBALL
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LEGEND WITH A 17-YEAR CAREER
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THAT INCLUDES EIGHT ALL-STAR
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APPEARANCES.
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DARRYL HAD A SUCCESSFUL CAREER
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WITH THE NEW YORK METS,
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LOS ANGELES DODGERS,
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AND NEW YORK YANKEES.
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BUT HE ALSO FACED HIS FAIR
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SHARE OF CHALLENGES.
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HE MANAGED TO OVERCOME THOSE
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CHALLENGES TO FIND TRUE
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REDEMPTION AND RESTORATION IN
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JESUS CHRIST.
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TODAY, DARRYL LEADS STRAWBERRY
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MINISTRIES WITH HIS WIFE,
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TRACY, AND TRAVELS THE COUNTRY
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TO SPEAK ABOUT GOD'S REDEMPTIVE
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POWER.
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PLEASE WELCOME...
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DARRYL STRAWBERRY.
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[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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- CLIFTON: GOD BLESS YOU,
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BROTHER.
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- DARRYL STRAWBERRY: GOD BLESS
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YOU, TOO.
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LOOK AT THAT.
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HERE WE ARE.
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- CLIFTON: IT'S AMAZING.
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- DARRYL: ALL RIGHT.
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YEAH.
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- CLIFTON: OH, YEAH.
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[APPLAUSE]
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YEAH, A FEW METS, FEW YANKEES
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FANS.
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[CLIFTON LAUGHS]
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- DARRYL: GOT A LITTLE BIT OF
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EVERYTHING.
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[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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- CLIFTON: YEAH.
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- DARRYL: YEAH.
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GOOD.
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[APPLAUSE]
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- CLIFTON: IT'S A WONDERFUL
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THING.
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WELL, YOU CERTAINLY HAD A
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STELLAR CAREER IN BASEBALL,
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AND, UH, SO MANY ACCOLADES.
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THE METS HALL OF FAME AND-- AND
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SO MANY OTHER THINGS OVER THE
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YEARS, BUT...BUT, HOW YOU GOT
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INTO IT AND WHAT HAPPENED IN
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YOUR CHILDHOOD IS SOMETHING
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THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
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WOULD YOU SHARE WITH US SOME OF
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WHAT YOUR CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCE
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- DARRYL: YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS
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REALLY DYSFUNCTION.
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MY DAD WAS AN ALCOHOLIC, AND,
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UM...YOU KNOW, HE BEAT ME AND
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MY BROTHERS AND SAID I'D NEVER
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AMOUNT TO NOTHIN'.
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AND, UM, WE BELIEVED IT.
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HE CAME FOR THE LAST TIME WHEN
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I WAS 14, PULLED OUT A SHOTGUN,
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SAID HE WAS GONNA KILL THE
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HE WAS DRUNK.
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AND, ME AND MY BROTHERS WENT
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INTO ACTION.
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HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR MY MOTHER,
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AH, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE
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KILLED HIM.
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- CLIFTON: MMH!
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- DARRYL: THERE'S-- THERE'S NO
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DOUBT ABOUT IT.
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BUT, SHE GOT US OUT OF THE
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HOUSE, AND...
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SO, IT WAS A VERY PAINFUL
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CHILDHOOD.
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MOST PEOPLE SAW ME
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PUT THE UNIFORM ON AND
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THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT MY
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PAIN LED ME TO MY GREATNESS.
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- CLIFTON: MMH!
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ISN'T THAT SOMETHING?
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- DARRYL: YEAH. YEAH.
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- CLIFTON: MY, MY, MY...
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IT WAS A MOTIVATING FACTOR
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THAT HELPED TO DRIVE YOU
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FORWARD INTO YOUR ATHLETIC
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PURSUITS?
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- DARRYL: NO QUESTION ABOUT
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IT.
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I MEAN, WHEN YOU GROW UP IN A
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SITUATION WHERE IT'S VERY
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DYSFUNCTIONAL, IT'S HARD TO
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REALLY IDENTIFY WHO YOU ARE.
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BECAUSE, BEFORE I EVER PUT THE
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UNIFORM ON, I WAS ALREADY
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SCARRED.
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I ALREADY HAD THE SCARS, YOU
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KNOW, FROM MY FATHER.
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- CLIFTON: MMH.
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- DARRYL: SO, I WOULD SAY THAT
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MY PAIN LED ME TO GREATNESS OF
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WHO I WAS.
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BUT MY GREATNESS WOULD, THEN,
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EVENTUALLY LEAD ME TO MY
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DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR.
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- CLIFTON: AH.
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WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
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HOW DID YOU GET INTO BASEBALL?
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- DARRYL: WELL, IT WAS PRETTY
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EASY.
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I MEAN, I HAD A LOT OF GOOD
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COACHES WHO KEPT DRAGGIN' ME
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OUT OF THE HOUSE.
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[CLIFTON LAUGHS]
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YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANNA GO
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PRACTICE, BUT THEY MADE SURE I
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GOT UP AND...THEY MADE SURE I
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DIDN'T GET CAUGHT UP INTO GIRLS
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OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT 'CAUSE,
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A LOT OF TIMES,
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THAT WAS A DISTRACTION TO A
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LOT OF PLAYERS WHEN THEY WERE
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YOUNG BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO
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HAVE THEIR GIRLFRIENDS.
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AND THIS ONE COACH NAMED
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MR. MOSELEY, HE WAS LIKE,
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"YOU'RE NOT GONNA
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HAVE A GIRLFRIEND."
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- CLIFTON: THAT'S COLD.
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- DARRYL: YEAH, I KNOW.
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[LAUGHTER]
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- CLIFTON: AND THAT'S NOT EASY
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FOR A...A YOUNG MAN WITH--
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- DARRYL: NO, IT'S NOT EASY--
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- CLIFTON: --HORMONES RAGING.
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- DARRYL: IT'S NOT EASY AT
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ALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE DID
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FOR ME WAS WHAT I COULDN'T DO
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FOR MYSELF.
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HE MADE ME FOCUS ON WHAT I
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WANTED TO BE.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: HE MADE ME FOCUS ON
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HOW GREAT I WANTED TO BE.
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AND IT WAS ABOUT PRACTICE, IT
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WAS ABOUT PRACTICE, IT WAS
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ABOUT PRACTICE.
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AND, ANYTIME YOU PRACTICE,
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PRACTICE, PRACTICE IN ANYTHING
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IN LIFE, YOU GONNA GET GOOD AT
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IT.
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- CLIFTON: YEAH.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, AND I
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THINK A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S
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WHERE A LOT OF US GO WRONG IN
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OUR LIFE -- WE DON'T PRACTICE
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ENOUGH.
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AND WE CAN'T TO WHERE GOD
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REALLY WANTS US TO GET.
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AND...AND, FOR ME, I DIDN'T
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REALLY KNOW AT THAT TIME, AH,
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BUT I KNEW ONE THING: I HAD A
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DRIVE INSIDE OF ME THAT WAS--
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THAT WAS GREATER THAN PROBABLY
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MOST GUYS.
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WHILE MOST GUYS WERE IN
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BED SLEEPING, I WAS UP IN THE
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MORNING WORKING OUT, GETTIN'
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AFTER IT, AND WANTING TO, UH,
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BE THIS GREAT BASEBALL PLAYER.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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WELL, NOW, HOW DID YOU FEEL
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WHEN THAT SUCCESS FIRST CAME
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AND WHEN YOU STARTED KNOCKING
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THAT BALL OVER THE WALL, OVER
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AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN?
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[DARRYL LAUGHS]
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- DARRYL: WELL, I FELT PRETTY
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COOL THEN...YOU KNOW.
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[LAUGHTER]
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BUT, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS
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INGRAINED INSIDE OF ME.
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YOU KNOW, I MEAN I REALLY HAD A
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DESIRE TO DO IT.
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I WASN'T-- SEE, I THINK A LOT
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OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS TO US, AS
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PEOPLE, WE'RE AFRAID...TO FAIL.
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AND FAILURE'S A PART OF BEING
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SUCCESSFUL.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: AND MOST GREAT
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ATHLETES WILL COME TO THAT
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PLACE AND KNOW THAT: I'M GONNA
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HAVE SOME FAILURES, BUT WHAT DO
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I DO AFTER THAT?
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- CLIFTON: YEAH.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, DO I STAY
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THERE OR DO I GET UP?
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, AND THERE
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WAS A LOT OF TIMES SOMEBODY'S
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GONNA BEAT ME ON THAT GIVEN
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NIGHT, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA
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BEAT ME EVERY NIGHT.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW.
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AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
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THERE'RE GONNA BE DAYS WHERE
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YOU'RE GONNA GET ME, BUT I'M
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GONNA ALWAYS REMEMBER IN THE
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BACK OF MY HEAD THAT YOU GOT
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ME.
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AND WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR ME
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TO GET YOU, I'M GONNA GET YOU.
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- CLIFTON: UH-HUH.
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- DARRYL: SO, I MEAN, THAT'S--
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- CLIFTON: WELL, IT'S A
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COMPETITIVE SPORT, YOU KNOW?
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- DARRYL: YES.
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I'M VERY COMPETITIVE, YOU KNOW,
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AND YOU HAVE-- WELL, YOU JUST
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HAVE TO BE UNDER CONTROL...
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- CLIFTON: YEAH.
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- DARRYL: ...UM, AS AN
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ATHLETE.
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THE GREAT ONES ARE ALWAYS UNDER
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CONTROL AND WE KNOW HOW TO DO
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IT.
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I USED TO TELL PEOPLE -- THEY'D
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SAY, "WELL, WHY WERE YOU SO
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SUCCESSFUL...IN CERTAIN
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SITUATIONS?"
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BECAUSE I WIN THE BALLGAME FROM
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THE ON-DECK CIRCLE.
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I DIDN'T PLAY IT WHEN I WENT
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INTO THE BATTLE SPOT.
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I HAD A PLAN WHEN BEFORE I GOT
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INTO THE BATTLE SPOTS.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: SO, THE ON-DECK
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CIRCLE -- I'LL WATCH THE GAME,
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WATCH THE FIELD, AND...WATCH
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THE SITUATION, AND...AND I
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KNEW...EVERY AT BAT.
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'CAUSE PITCHERS ARE DUMB.
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[LAUGHTER]
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AND...I JUST KNEW EVERY AT BAT
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I'M GONNA GET TWO GOOD PITCHES
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TO HIT.
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ONE OF 'EM I GOTTA HIT.
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AND, THAT'S UP TO ME.
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IF I MISS THOSE TWO PITCHES,
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THEN...THAT'S ON ME.
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AND I ALWAYS--
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- CLIFTON: THAT'S AN
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INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.
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I NEVER-- I NEVER HEARD IT
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QUITE LIKE THAT.
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THAT'S GOOD.
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OUT OF THAT AT BAT, YOU'RE
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GONNA GET AT LEAST TWO-- TWO
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GOOD PITCHES.
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AND ONE OF 'EM...
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- DARRYL: EVERY AT BAT, YOU
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KNOW, YOU GONNA GET AT LEAST
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TWO GOOD PITCHES.
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ONE OF 'EM YOU GOTTA HIT.
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I MAY FOUL ONE OFF, BUT THE
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NEXT ONE I GOTTA GET.
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YOU KNOW?
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IT'S JUST A MINDSET.
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IT'S HOW YOU SET YOUR MIND.
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AND, IF YOU SET YOUR MIND AND
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YOU'RE DETERMINED, YOU CAN BE
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SUCCESSFUL AT WHATEVER YOU SET
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YOUR MIND...TO DO.
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- CLIFTON: SPEAKING OF
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PITCHING, YOU BECAME GOOD
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FRIENDS WITH DWIGHT GOODEN.
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TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT
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RELATIONSHIP, AND WHERE THAT
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WENT, AND...HOW THAT...
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INFLUENCED YOUR LIFE.
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- DARRYL: WELL, IT WAS A GREAT
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RELATIONSHIP FOR US BEING YOUNG
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AFRICAN-AMERICANS PLAYING IN
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NEW YORK CITY.
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A LOT OF PRESSURE.
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DWIGHT WAS 19 WHEN HE CAME UP.
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I WAS 21.
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UM, I HAD ALREADY BEEN IN THE
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BIG LEAGUES AND WON ROOKIE OF
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THE YEAR.
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HE CAME RIGHT BEHIND ME AND WON
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ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.
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- CLIFTON: WOW.
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- DARRYL: SO, THE EXPECTATIONS
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WERE REALLY...OFF THE CHART.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: AND WE FULFILLED THE
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PROMISES OF THE EXPECTATION.
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BUT I WOULD SAY OUR
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RELATIONSHIP IS GREAT TODAY.
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I'M REALLY PROUD OF HIM.
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WE'VE BOTH HAD OUR CHALLENGES
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AND STRUGGLES.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: AND, YOU KNOW, OF
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COURSE, ALL THE TIME, THE
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MEDIA'S GONNA ALWAYS MAKE
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SOMETHING OUT OF WHAT WE SAY.
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UM, BUT IF I SAY SOMETHIN', I
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SAY IT BECAUSE I LOVE YOU.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW?
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I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GAIN.
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I'M NOT LOOKIN' FOR FAME OR
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FORTUNE.
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YOU KNOW, MY LIFE HAS BEEN
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CHANGED BY JESUS.
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I WANT-- I WANT-- I WANT PEOPLE
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TO EXPERIENCE THAT.
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[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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SO...
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[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
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- CLIFTON: SO-- SO, YOU WERE
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ENJOYING SO MUCH SUCCESS.
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HOW DID ADDICTION WEAVE ITS WAY
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INTO YOUR LIFE?
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WELL, ADDICTION NEVER WEAVES
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ITS WAY INTO YOUR LIFE.
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IT'S A SPIRITUAL BROKENNESS,
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YOU KNOW?
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AND IT'S A DISCONNECTION FROM
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GOD HIMSELF.
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WHAT ADDICTION IS--
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SEE, LAWLESSNESS BRINGS...ABOUT
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ALL KIND OF THINGS, ABOUT
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AND ADDICTION IS A SPIRITUAL
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BROKENNESS AND ONE FEELS EMPTY
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ON THE INSIDE, SO WHEN ONE TRIED
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TO PICK UP A DRINK,
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OR I TRIED TO PICK UP A
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DRUG HE'S TRYING TO ESCAPE
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FROM WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING ON
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THE INSIDE.
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HE'S TRYING TO HIDE HIMSELF
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FROM, REALLY, WHAT'S GOING ON
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ON THE INSIDE.
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AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT UNTIL
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YEARS AND YEARS OF GOING
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THROUGH ADDICTION AND REALIZING
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THAT THE POWER OF IT IS THE
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SPIRITUAL BROKENNESS --
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SEPARATED FROM GOD.
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ADDICTION IS SIN, JUST LIKE
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ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW?
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AND WHAT IS SIN?
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WHAT DOES SIN DOES?
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SIN KEEPS YOU COMPLETELY
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SEPARATED FROM GOD.
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AND THAT'S WHAT ADDICTION
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DOES --
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IT KEEPS YOU SEPARATED,
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COMPLETELY SEPARATED,
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SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A
00:11:01.170 --> 00:11:04.050
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD YOURSELF.
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UH, ONCE ONE ALTER THEIR MIND,
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THEIR MIND HAS CHANGED.
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AND WHEN I STARTED WITH-- AT
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THE AGE OF 14, 15 YEARS OLD
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SMOKIN' MARIJUANA, WHICH IS THE
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MAIN MARIJUANA TODAY,
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WHERE EVERYBODY SMOKES.
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I'M NOT TALKIN' ABOUT PEOPLE
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THAT HAS HEALTH PROBLEMS.
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I'M TALKIN' ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE
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THAT'S PICKIN' UP MARIJUANA AND
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STARTIN' TO SMOKE IT.
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IT ALTERS THEIR MIND, IT
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CHANGES THEIR MIND, IT DOESN'T
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LAST FOREVER, THEN YOU GOTTA GO
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TO SOMETHING STRONGER.
00:11:30.230 --> 00:11:33.060
AND THAT'S WHAT ADDICTION IS --
00:11:33.060 --> 00:11:34.070
IT'S THE GRIPS OF DARKNESS, UM,
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AND WHAT IT DOES -- IT ROBS YOU
00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.090
FROM YOUR SOUL.
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IT ROBS YOU FROM, UH, YOUR
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LOVED ONES, AND IT TAKES YOU TO
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PLACES THAT YOU COULD NEVER
00:11:46.040 --> 00:11:47.280
IMAGINE, AND IT KEEPS YOU THERE
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LONGER THAN YOU COULD EVER WANT
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TO BE THERE.
00:11:50.020 --> 00:11:51.280
- CLIFTON: MMH...MMH-MHH-
00:11:51.280 --> 00:11:52.170
MMH...
00:11:52.170 --> 00:11:53.060
WELL, THE CHALLENGES THAT IT
00:11:55.020 --> 00:11:58.020
HELPED PRESENT IN YOUR LIFE
00:11:58.020 --> 00:11:59.040
WERE QUITE HEAVY.
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IN FACT, YOU SPENT SOME TIME IN
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JAIL.
00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:04.260
WAS THAT A GROWING EXPERIENCE
00:12:04.260 --> 00:12:05.200
FOR YOU?
00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.230
WAS THAT A LEARNING EXPERIENCE?
00:12:08.190 --> 00:12:11.190
- DARRYL: I ALWAYS SAY GOD
00:12:11.190 --> 00:12:12.090
HAS A WONDERFUL PLAN.
00:12:12.090 --> 00:12:12.260
SEE, WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T
00:12:12.260 --> 00:12:14.270
UNDERSTAND: MAN DOESN'T HAVE A
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PLAN.
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YOU KNOW, HE BELIEVES HE HAS A
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PLAN.
00:12:18.040 --> 00:12:18.190
HE HAS A PLAN TO CRITICIZE YOU,
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WRITE ABOUT YOU, AND TALK ABOUT
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YOU.
00:12:21.050 --> 00:12:21.170
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:12:21.170 --> 00:12:22.120
- DARRYL: BUT GOD HAS THIS
00:12:23.030 --> 00:12:26.030
MASTERPIECE PLAN THAT NO MATTER
00:12:26.030 --> 00:12:28.250
WHERE HE PUTS YOU, HE PUTS YOU
00:12:28.250 --> 00:12:29.160
THERE FOR A REASON.
00:12:29.160 --> 00:12:30.020
SEE, WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND, WHEN
00:12:30.020 --> 00:12:30.230
YOU UNDERSTAND BIBLICAL
00:12:30.230 --> 00:12:31.110
PRINCIPLES AND YOU GO THROUGH
00:12:31.110 --> 00:12:32.070
THE BIBLE, THEY ALL HAD ISSUES
00:12:32.070 --> 00:12:32.280
JUST LIKE US.
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- CLIFTON: YES, YES.
00:12:33.260 --> 00:12:34.130
- DARRYL: DAVID WAS A
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WOMANIZER -- YOU KNOW,
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PUT HIS BEST MAN, URIAH,
00:12:37.090 --> 00:12:38.190
ON THE FRONTLINE TO GET KILLED.
00:12:38.190 --> 00:12:39.290
UM, JONAH -- GOD TOLD HIM TO
00:12:39.290 --> 00:12:41.270
GOT NINEVEH.
00:12:41.270 --> 00:12:44.030
HE JUMPED ON A BOAT, GO THE
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OTHER WAY TO TARSHISH.
00:12:45.250 --> 00:12:47.030
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:12:47.030 --> 00:12:47.190
- DARRYL: DISOBEYING GOD.
00:12:47.190 --> 00:12:48.170
HOW MANY OF US DO THAT?
00:12:48.170 --> 00:12:49.110
WE ALL DO THAT.
00:12:49.110 --> 00:12:49.260
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:12:49.260 --> 00:12:50.120
- DARRYL: BUT GOD DID NOT
00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:51.110
REJECT HIM.
00:12:51.110 --> 00:12:52.080
YOU KNOW, HE JUST LET YOU GO
00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:53.160
AHEAD AND HAVE YOUR WAY AND GO,
00:12:53.160 --> 00:12:54.230
YOU KNOW?
00:12:54.230 --> 00:12:55.290
AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
00:12:55.290 --> 00:12:57.110
YOU KNOW, MOSES WAS USED
00:12:57.110 --> 00:12:59.010
MIGHTILY BY GOD BECAUSE OF HIS
00:12:59.010 --> 00:13:00.130
MEEKNESS, BUT HE HAD A SPEECH
00:13:00.130 --> 00:13:02.070
IMPEDIMENT.
00:13:02.070 --> 00:13:02.240
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:03.110
- DARRYL: AND, YOU KNOW, HE
00:13:03.110 --> 00:13:04.160
DIDN'T WANNA DO WHAT GOD CALLED
00:13:04.160 --> 00:13:05.140
HIM TO DO.
00:13:05.140 --> 00:13:06.200
BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL HAVE ISSUES
00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.050
AND GOD SEES THOSE ISSUES IN
00:13:08.050 --> 00:13:09.290
ONE'S LIFE.
00:13:09.290 --> 00:13:12.090
AND MY LIFE WAS NO DIFFERENT.
00:13:12.090 --> 00:13:13.000
I JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN THE
00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:13.210
PUBLIC EYE.
00:13:13.210 --> 00:13:15.040
BUT, THE GOOD-- THE GREATEST
00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:16.070
THING I LOVE ABOUT JESUS IS
00:13:16.070 --> 00:13:17.170
JESUS SHOWED HIS SCARS.
00:13:17.170 --> 00:13:19.260
- CLIFTON: MMH...
00:13:19.260 --> 00:13:20.280
- DARRYL: SEE, PEOPLE ARE
00:13:20.280 --> 00:13:22.100
AFRAID TO SHOW THEIR SCARS.
00:13:22.100 --> 00:13:24.210
SEE, I'M NOT AFRAID TO SHOW MY
00:13:24.210 --> 00:13:25.200
SCARS, YOU KNOW--
00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:26.240
- CLIFTON: I HEAR YA.
00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:27.120
- DARRYL: --BECAUSE-- SEE,
00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:28.150
BECAUSE JESUS ALREADY DID IT ON
00:13:28.150 --> 00:13:29.070
THE CROSS...
00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:29.210
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
00:13:29.210 --> 00:13:30.190
- DARRYL: ...FOR YOU, YOU
00:13:30.190 --> 00:13:31.090
KNOW?
00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:32.030
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:13:32.030 --> 00:13:33.120
SO, I THINK...
00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.020
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:13:38.210 --> 00:13:41.210
I THINK IN A SOCIETY...I THINK
00:13:41.210 --> 00:13:42.250
IN A SOCIETY WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY
00:13:42.250 --> 00:13:43.160
FROM SHOWING OUR SCARS.
00:13:43.160 --> 00:13:44.090
- CLIFTON: MMH...
00:13:44.090 --> 00:13:44.250
- DARRYL: WE CAN'T HELP NOBODY
00:13:44.250 --> 00:13:45.240
IF WE AIN'T NEVER BEEN THROUGH
00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:46.160
NOTHIN'.
00:13:46.160 --> 00:13:46.260
- CLIFTON: THAT'S RIGHT.
00:13:46.260 --> 00:13:47.190
- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF
00:13:47.190 --> 00:13:49.180
WANNA SAY JESUS, BUT HAVE YOU
00:13:49.180 --> 00:13:51.000
BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING TO TELL
00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:51.210
SOMEONE ELSE THAT JESUS IS THE
00:13:51.210 --> 00:13:53.040
MESSIAH?
00:13:53.040 --> 00:13:54.190
YOU KNOW?
00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:55.190
HAVE YOU COME TO THAT PLACE
00:13:55.190 --> 00:13:57.190
WHERE YOU'RE NOT AFRAID, YOU'RE
00:13:57.190 --> 00:13:59.100
NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOOD NEWS?
00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:01.110
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE MORE
00:14:01.110 --> 00:14:02.250
CONSUMED ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE
00:14:02.250 --> 00:14:04.150
THINK ABOUT US AND OUR IMAGE
00:14:04.150 --> 00:14:06.210
AND EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF WHAT
00:14:06.210 --> 00:14:08.010
HE'S ALREADY DONE ON CALVARY.
00:14:08.010 --> 00:14:08.220
SEE, AND WHAT WE NEED TO
00:14:08.220 --> 00:14:10.240
UNDERSTAND -- EARLY SUNDAY
00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:12.050
MORNING, HE GOT UP FROM THAT
00:14:12.050 --> 00:14:12.260
TOMB.
00:14:12.260 --> 00:14:13.050
- CLIFTON: YES.
00:14:13.050 --> 00:14:13.190
- DARRYL: AND WHEN HE GOT UP
00:14:13.190 --> 00:14:14.100
FROM THAT TOMB, HE GOT UP FROM
00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:15.010
ALL POWER.
00:14:15.010 --> 00:14:15.120
SO, WE GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT
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WE GOT--
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GALATIANS 2:20 TALKS ABOUT IT.
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"I HAVE BEEN CRUCIFIED WITH
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CHRIST.
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IT IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE; IT
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IS CHRIST WHO LIVES IN ME."
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- CLIFTON: YES, SIR.
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[APPLAUSE]
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- DARRYL: SO, THAT'S WHAT--
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THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA TALK
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ABOUT.
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WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE.
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WE GOTTA STOP TALKIN' ABOUT
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THIS FOOLISHNESS.
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AND THE POWER IS STILL IN THAT
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BIBLE.
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IT'S NEVER GONNA CHANGE.
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"HEAVEN AND EARTH GONNA PASS
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AWAY, BUT NOT MY WORD."
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THAT BIBLE IS GONNA ALWAYS
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CHANGE YOU, REGARDLESS OF
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WHATEVER YOU GO THROUGH.
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AND, IT'S PART OF GOING THROUGH
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IT.
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SEE, WHAT I LOVE ABOUT GOD SO
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MUCH IS, YOU KNOW, BEING IN
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PRISON WITH A T17169, GOD WAS
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DOING FOR ME WHAT I COULDN'T DO
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FOR MYSELF.
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HE WAS SPARIN' MY LIFE.
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- CLIFTON: MMH!
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW?
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'CAUSE I'M STILL HERE TODAY
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TO BE A--
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- CLIFTON: PRAISE GOD.
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- DARRYL: --BE A WITNESS FOR
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HIM.
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- CLIFTON: YEP.
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- DARRYL: AND WHEN YOU THINK
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ABOUT IT...
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[APPLAUSE]
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WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT--
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WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AND YOU
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THINK ABOUT IT, HE-- I
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ALWAYS...I ALWAYS, DEEP DOWN
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INSIDE, KNEW THAT GOD HAD A
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PLAN.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: I JUST HAD TO GET IN
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THE PLAN.
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- CLIFTON: THAT'S RIGHT,
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THAT'S RIGHT.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY
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DID I END UP IN THE FLORIDA
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STATE PRISON, I ENDED UP A
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CANCER TWICE AND LOSIN' MY LEFT
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KIDNEY IN MY SECOND SURGERY.
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SO, IF YOU-- JESUS IS A
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MIRACLE.
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IF YOU GO TO THE BIBLE AND THE
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BOOK OF JOHN, IT'S ABOUT
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BELIEVING.
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JESUS DID MIRACLES -- TURNING
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WATER INTO WINE, FEEDING OF THE
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5.000.
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HE DID ALL KIND OF MIRACLES
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AFTER MIRACLES.
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HE'S STILL DOIN' THE SAME
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MIRACLES TODAY.
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- CLIFTON: COME ON!
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW?
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- CLIFTON: YES, YES.
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[APPLAUSE]
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AND THE THING ABOUT...THE THING
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ABOUT REVEALING THE SCARS -- IT
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SHOWS THAT YOU'VE BEEN HURT
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BEFORE, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS
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YOU'VE BEEN HEALED.
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- DARRYL: RIGHT.
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- CLIFTON: SCARS ARE THE SIGN
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OF HEALING!
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- DARRYL: SCARS ARE THE SIGN
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OF HEALING.
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WHEN YOU CAN UNDERSTAND
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CAVALRY AND UNDERSTAND THAT
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CROSS, AND HIM SHEDDING HIS
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BLOOD ON THAT CROSS,
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THAT BLOOD IS CLEAN ON
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THAT CROSS.
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- CLIFTON: ALL RIGHT.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, THAT BLOOD
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ON THAT CROSS IS CLEAN.
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HE'S A SINLESS MAN WITH NO SIN,
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YOU KNOW.
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- CLIFTON: THAT'S RIGHT.
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- DARRYL: SO, ALL THE REST OF
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US ARE GONNA FALL SHORT, BUT
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THAT MAN THERE -- HE DIDN'T
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FALL SHORT.
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THE VICTORY -- HE GAVE US THE
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VICTORY, GOING TO THE CROSS.
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SO, IT'S UP TO US TO RECEIVE
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IT, IT'S UP TO US TO UNDERSTAND
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IT, IT'S UP TO US TO LEARN THE
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WORD OF GOD.
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AND THE REASON WHY PEOPLE
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STRUGGLE SO MUCH -- 'CAUSE THE
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BIBLE SAYS, "MY PEOPLE PERISH
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BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE,"
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-- THERE'S NO KNOWLEDGE AND
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UNDERSTANDING OF GOD'S WORD.
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WE UNDERSTAND ALL THIS EARTHLY
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FOOLISHNESS, BUT WE DON'T
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UNDERSTAND THE KINGDOM STUFF.
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AND ONCE THEY GET INTO THE
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BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES, AND YOU
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STUDY GOD'S WORD AND SATURATE
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YOURSELF, AND LAY WITH GOD,
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THEN YOU KNOW GOD.
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- CLIFTON: MMH...MMH.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, THEN YOU
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KNOW GOD, YOU KNOW.
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AND THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE NEED
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TO COME BACK.
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DRUG-ADDICTION PEOPLE --
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2 CHRONICLES 7:14 SAID, "IF MY
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PEOPLE, WHO ARE CALLED BY MY
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NAME, WILL HUMBLE THEMSELVES
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AND PRAY AND SEEK...
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[CLIFTON ALSO RECITING VERSE]
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- CLIFTON: ...MY FACE...
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- DARRYL: ...AND TURN..."
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YOU KNOW?
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HE SAYS ALL THESE WONDERFUL
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THINGS, BUT THE PEOPLE HAVE TO
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DO IT.
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AND I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WITH
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MOST PEOPLE -- THEY WON'T DO
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IT.
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THEY DON'T BELIEVE HE'S THE
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ONE.
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- CLIFTON: WELL, GOD IS
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OFFERING IT UP FREE AND CLEAR.
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AND, YOU NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
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OF THAT.
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TELL ME HOW YOU MET THAT
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INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL WOMAN
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WHO'S MARRIED TO YOU -- TRACY.
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- DARRYL: WELL, IT WAS A SIGN
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OF GOD ALWAYS WILL SEND PEOPLE
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IN YOUR LIFE.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: IN ALL OUR LIVES, HE
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ALWAYS SENDS SOMEBODY.
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YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU-- YOU AT THE
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BOTTOM, AT THE WORST TIME OF
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YOUR LIFE, YOU KNOW.
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I WAS SHOOTIN' DOPE, SMOKIN'
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CRACK, AND SHE HAD ONE YEAR
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CLEAN.
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- CLIFTON: MMH.
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- DARRYL: NOBODY WOULD TOUCH
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ME.
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DIDN'T WANNA HAVE ANYTHING TO
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DO WITH ME.
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I WAS $3 MILLION IN DEBT,
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DIDN'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.
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SHE WAS BANGIN' ON DOORS,
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PULLIN' ME OUT OF DOPE HOUSES.
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- CLIFTON: MMH!
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- DARRYL: AND I WAS LIKE, "WHY
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DON'T YOU AND THAT GOD YOU
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SERVE JUST LEAVE ME HERE AND
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LET ME DIE?"
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SHE SAID, "YOU JUST NOT THAT
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LUCKY."
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- CLIFTON: HA!
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[LAUGHTER]
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- DARRYL: SO, SEE, PEOPLE LOOK
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FROM A DISTANCE AND DON'T KNOW
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WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH WITH
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SOMEONE, BUT GOD SENDS SOMEONE
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TO YOU TO HELP YOU BE RESTORED.
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HE'S ALWAYS GONNA DO THE SAME
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THAT HE'S ALWAYS DONE.
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GOD IS NEVER GONNA CHANGE.
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GOD IS GONNA USE PEOPLE TO HELP
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PEOPLE.
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- CLIFTON: THAT'S RIGHT.
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THAT'S RIGHT.
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- DARRYL: YOU KNOW?
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AND THAT'S ALL HE'S EVER DONE
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AND THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE BY--
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WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE BIBLE,
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ALL THE PEOPLE IN THERE -- THEY
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ALL HAD ISSUES.
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BUT HE USED THEM TO HELP
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SOMEBODY ELSE, TO BRING
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SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME TO KNOW
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THE LORD AND HAVE A
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RELATIONSHIP, PERSONAL
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RELATIONSHIP, WITH CHRIST
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HIMSELF.
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- CLIFTON: THAT'S
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WONDERFUL...THAT'S WONDERFUL.
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- DARRYL: YEAH.
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- CLIFTON: HOW DID YOU FIND
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- DARRYL: WELL, THAT'S A
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REALLY GOOD QUESTION, 'CAUSE,
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IT'S NOT EASY BECAUSE, UH, WHEN
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I DECIDED TO SURRENDER, GOD SET
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ME FOR SEVEN YEARS...AND DIDN'T
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SPEAK TO ME.
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- CLIFTON: MMH.
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- DARRYL: BUT HE WANTED ME TO
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GET DISCIPLED.
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YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T
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GET DISCIPLED ANYMORE AND THEY
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AND THEY THINK THEY REALLY KNOW
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IT.
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AND, BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU
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KNOW, THE DEVIL'S TEMPTIN' YOU
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AND YOU'RE BACK OUT THERE DOIN'
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THE SAME THING BECAUSE YOU
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HAVEN'T DOWNLOADED THE WORD
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DOWN INSIDE OF YOU.
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AND JESUS TALKS ABOUT THAT.
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IN JOHN 10:10, JESUS SAID, "THE
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THIEF DOES NOT COME EXCEPT TO
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STEAL, KILL, AND DESTROY.
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I HAVE COME THAT THEY MAY HAVE
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LIFE AND HAVE IT MORE
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ABUNDANTLY."
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AND ABUNDANT LIFE IS NOT STUFF;
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IT'S JOY, PEACE, KNOWLEDGE,
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WISDOM, POWER.
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[APPLAUSE]
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THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS,
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YOU KNOW, THAT YOU GET FROM THE
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WORD OF GOD.
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SO, THROUGH THAT PERIOD OF
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SEVEN YEARS OF SITTING, I JUST
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STUDIED AND LAID WITH GOD.
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I CRIED AND I LAID WITH HIM.
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AND I SAID: "LORD, I JUST WANNA
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KNOW YOU.
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I DON'T WANT ANYTHING ELSE.
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I DON'T WANNA BE RICH NO MORE.
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I DON'T WANNA BE FAMOUS NO
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MORE.
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I ALREADY EXPERIENCED THAT."
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THE DEVIL'S A LIE.
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HE TRIED TO KILL ME TO MAKE ME
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BELIEVE THAT 'CAUSE THAT--
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THAT, I COULD HAVE-- I COULD
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HAVE NEVER HAD THE PROBLEMS I
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HAD AND PROBABLY BEEN ONE OF
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THE GREATEST PLAYERS TO EVER
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PLAY BASEBALL, MADE ANOTHER $50
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MILLION; I WOULD HAVE NEVER MET
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JESUS.
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- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
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- DARRYL: AND I WOULD HAVE
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BEEN SEPARATED FROM JESUS
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BECAUSE OF THAT LIFESTYLE.
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AND YOU GET CONSUMED WITH IT
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AND YOU THINK IT'S ABOUT YOU.
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AND YOU WILL NEVER PICK UP A
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BIBLE, YOU'LL NEVER GO INTO
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CHURCH 'CAUSE YOU THINK THEY
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WANT SOMETHING FROM YOU.
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AND ALL JESUS WANT IS YOUR
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SOUL; HE DOES NOT NEED ANYTHING
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FROM YOU.
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- CLIFTON: AMEN!
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[APPLAUSE]
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- DARRYL: WE'RE GONNA TALK
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ABOUT HOW YOU GIVE BACK.
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AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A
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FRIEND OF YOURS WHO WALKED A
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SIMILAR PATH IN SOME WAYS.
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IN FACT, LET'S INTRODUCE HIM BY
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VIDEO -- UH, OUR NEXT GUEST,
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JASON ROMANO.
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- FEMALE ANNOUNCER: EMMY
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AWARD-WINNING SPORTS
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ANALYST, JASON ROMANO,
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SPEAKS TO PEOPLE AROUND THE
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COUNTRY ABOUT THE POWER OF
00:20:31.030 --> 00:20:32.140
HIS DREAM OF BECOMING A SPORTS
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BROADCASTER BECAME A REALITY
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WHEN HE BUILT A 17-YEAR CAREER
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BEHIND ALL OF HIS SUCCESS,
00:20:41.110 --> 00:20:42.000
JASON STRUGGLED TO HEAL FROM A
00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:43.130
BROKEN RELATIONSHIP THAT HE HAD
00:20:43.130 --> 00:20:45.090
HAD WITH HIS ALCOHOLIC FATHER.
00:20:45.090 --> 00:20:47.090
JASON WROTE ABOUT FORGIVING HIS
00:20:47.090 --> 00:20:48.210
FATHER IN THE BOOK, "LIVE TO
00:20:48.210 --> 00:20:50.220
FORGIVE," AND IS PASSIONATE
00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:53.150
ABOUT SPREADING THE MESSAGE OF
00:20:53.150 --> 00:20:54.060
FAITH AND FORGIVENESS TO
00:20:54.060 --> 00:20:54.270
OTHERS.
00:20:54.270 --> 00:20:55.290
CURRENTLY, JASON HOSTS THE
00:20:55.290 --> 00:20:57.230
SPORTS SPECTRUM PODCAST, WHERE
00:20:57.230 --> 00:20:58.290
HE INTERVIEWS ATHLETES,
00:20:58.290 --> 00:21:00.260
COACHES, AND ENTERTAINERS ABOUT
00:21:00.260 --> 00:21:02.060
THEIR FAITH.
00:21:02.060 --> 00:21:03.020
JASON TRAVELS THE NATION TO
00:21:03.020 --> 00:21:04.270
SPEAK ABOUT THE GOODNESS OF GOD
00:21:04.270 --> 00:21:06.110
AT YOUTH GROUPS, COLLEGES,
00:21:06.110 --> 00:21:07.260
COMPANIES, AND CHURCHES.
00:21:07.260 --> 00:21:09.180
PLEASE WELCOME JASON ROMANO.
00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:12.160
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:21:18.060 --> 00:21:21.060
- CLIFTON: THEY'RE GLAD YOU'RE
00:21:21.060 --> 00:21:21.280
HERE, TOO.
00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:23.050
[LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:21:23.050 --> 00:21:23.230
- JASON ROMANO: THANK YOU.
00:21:23.230 --> 00:21:24.130
THANK YOU.
00:21:24.130 --> 00:21:26.030
[LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:21:26.030 --> 00:21:28.110
THANK YOU.
00:21:28.110 --> 00:21:30.120
- CLIFTON: NOW, YOU SPENT
00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:32.020
MANY, MANY YEARS AT ESPN.
00:21:32.020 --> 00:21:33.170
- JASON: YEAH.
00:21:33.170 --> 00:21:34.070
- CLIFTON: HOW DID YOU MEET
00:21:34.070 --> 00:21:34.280
DARRYL STRAWBERRY?
00:21:36.020 --> 00:21:39.020
- JASON: UH, WELL, IT'S FUNNY
00:21:39.020 --> 00:21:39.230
THAT YOU ASK THAT BECAUSE IT
00:21:39.230 --> 00:21:41.090
GOES EVEN FURTHER BACK.
00:21:41.090 --> 00:21:41.270
BEFORE I MET THIS MAN, I WAS
00:21:41.270 --> 00:21:42.170
OUT THERE CHEERIN' HIM ON.
00:21:42.170 --> 00:21:45.010
THIS GUY WAS ON THE POSTER ON
00:21:45.010 --> 00:21:45.280
MY WALL, AS A KID.
00:21:45.280 --> 00:21:48.130
AND I KEPT ALL HIS STATS.
00:21:48.130 --> 00:21:49.160
[CLIFTON LAUGHS]
00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:50.110
AND I WAS A LITTLE OBSESSED
00:21:50.110 --> 00:21:51.010
OVER DARRYL STRAWBERRY WHEN I
00:21:51.010 --> 00:21:51.240
WAS 10 YEARS OLD.
00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:52.260
[LAUGHTER]
00:21:52.260 --> 00:21:54.140
UH, BUT FAST FORWARD -- IT WAS
00:21:54.140 --> 00:21:56.140
10 YEARS AGO AND MY JOB AT ESPN
00:21:56.140 --> 00:21:58.150
WAS AS A TALENT BOOKER.
00:21:58.150 --> 00:22:00.240
AND I WAS SECURING GUESTS AND
00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:01.240
BRINGING THEM TO ESPN TO DO A
00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:02.250
BUNCH OF INTERVIEWS.
00:22:02.250 --> 00:22:04.080
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:05.040
- JASON: AND, LO AND BEHOLD,
00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:05.250
DARRYL HAD A BOOK OUT CALLED
00:22:05.250 --> 00:22:06.220
"STRAW," I BELIEVE...
00:22:06.220 --> 00:22:07.290
- DARRYL: MM-HMM.
00:22:07.290 --> 00:22:09.210
- JASON: ...AND, UM, WAS
00:22:09.210 --> 00:22:10.100
COMING TO ESPN TO PROMOTE IT.
00:22:10.100 --> 00:22:11.020
SO, I JUMPED ON THAT ASSIGNMENT
00:22:11.020 --> 00:22:12.280
AND SET UP A DAY FOR HIM TO
00:22:12.280 --> 00:22:14.140
WALK THROUGH ESPN AND ALL THE
00:22:14.140 --> 00:22:16.110
DIFFERENT SHOWS.
00:22:16.110 --> 00:22:17.100
AND, SO, I SPENT THE DAY WITH
00:22:17.100 --> 00:22:18.230
HIM.
00:22:18.230 --> 00:22:20.150
AND I WAS VERY, VERY NERVOUS.
00:22:20.150 --> 00:22:21.210
IT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST
00:22:21.210 --> 00:22:22.280
NERVOUS I'VE BEEN BECAUSE I'M
00:22:22.280 --> 00:22:24.020
MEETING MY CHILDHOOD BASEBALL
00:22:24.020 --> 00:22:24.260
HERO, HERE.
00:22:24.260 --> 00:22:25.280
UH, BUT DARRYL PUT ME AT EASE
00:22:25.280 --> 00:22:28.120
RIGHT AWAY AND IT WAS A VERY
00:22:28.120 --> 00:22:29.020
SPECIAL DAY.
00:22:29.020 --> 00:22:30.170
IT REALLY CHANGED THE
00:22:30.170 --> 00:22:31.260
TRAJECTORY OF MY PERSONAL LIFE
00:22:31.260 --> 00:22:33.110
IN MANY WAYS, JUST THAT DAY
00:22:33.110 --> 00:22:34.010
SPENDING WITH DARRYL.
00:22:34.010 --> 00:22:36.130
- CLIFTON: AW...THAT'S
00:22:36.130 --> 00:22:37.010
WONDERFUL.
00:22:37.010 --> 00:22:37.120
THAT'S WONDERFUL.
00:22:37.120 --> 00:22:37.270
- JASON: YEAH.
00:22:37.270 --> 00:22:38.160
- CLIFTON: WELL, YOU'RE
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:39.040
WITH A GIANT.
00:22:39.040 --> 00:22:40.090
I MEAN, HE'S NOT JUST A GIANT
00:22:40.090 --> 00:22:41.000
IN SPORTS.
00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:41.110
HE'S A BIG GUY, TOO.
00:22:41.110 --> 00:22:42.210
- JASON: HE'S A BIG GUY.
00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:43.260
I'M 6'1" AND HE MAKES ME LOOK
00:22:43.260 --> 00:22:44.290
SMALL, SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW...
00:22:44.290 --> 00:22:45.200
[LAUGHTER]
00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:46.010
HE'S A BIG GUY.
00:22:46.010 --> 00:22:47.090
- CLIFTON: SO, UH, WHAT DID--
00:22:47.090 --> 00:22:49.230
WHAT DID THAT CAREER MEAN TO
00:22:49.230 --> 00:22:52.100
YOU AFTER YOU TOUCHED LIVES
00:22:52.100 --> 00:22:54.000
LIKE-- LIKE HIS?
00:22:54.250 --> 00:22:57.250
- JASON: WATCHING DARRYL AS
00:22:57.250 --> 00:22:58.150
A KID WAS WHERE MY SPORTS LOVE
00:22:58.150 --> 00:23:00.050
I KNEW I WASN'T GOING TO BE A
00:23:03.190 --> 00:23:05.060
PROFESSIONAL -- AT LEAST,
00:23:05.060 --> 00:23:06.230
WHEN I STARTED MY
00:23:06.230 --> 00:23:07.290
ATHLETIC CAREER,
00:23:07.290 --> 00:23:08.200
I REALIZED THAT WASN'T GONNA
00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:09.110
HAPPEN.
00:23:09.110 --> 00:23:10.260
SO THE NEXT BEST THING WAS
00:23:10.260 --> 00:23:11.150
TO GO AND BROADCAST,
00:23:11.150 --> 00:23:12.240
AND TALK ABOUT SPORTS, AND
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:13.290
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT LOVE FOR
00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:16.140
SPORTS CAME FROM.
00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:18.010
AND TO BEING ABLE TO GET A JOB
00:23:18.010 --> 00:23:18.220
AT ESPN WAS
00:23:18.220 --> 00:23:19.060
EXACTLY WHAT I TELL PEOPLE --
00:23:19.060 --> 00:23:20.250
IT WAS A DREAM JOB.
00:23:20.250 --> 00:23:22.020
AND TO BE ABLE TO WORK THERE
00:23:22.020 --> 00:23:23.150
FOR A LONG TIME, AND BE ABLE TO
00:23:23.150 --> 00:23:25.000
TALK SPORTS AND PRODUCE SPORTS,
00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:26.070
AND GET TO MEET PEOPLE LIKE
00:23:26.070 --> 00:23:28.060
HIM, AND DO THAT ON A DAILY
00:23:28.060 --> 00:23:29.140
BASIS, YOU'RE A KID IN A CANDY
00:23:29.140 --> 00:23:30.060
STORE.
00:23:30.060 --> 00:23:31.200
IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.
00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:32.080
I REALLY ENJOYED IT.
00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:33.210
YEAH.
00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:34.060
- CLIFTON: OH, THAT'S GREAT.
00:23:34.060 --> 00:23:35.140
BUT THAT-- THAT WASN'T THE
00:23:35.140 --> 00:23:37.180
WHOLE CIRCLE OF YOUR LIFE.
00:23:37.180 --> 00:23:38.090
DURING THE ARC OF YOUR LIFE --
00:23:38.090 --> 00:23:40.000
TO BRING IT BACK TO OUR
00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.000
THEME -- YOU HAD TO DEAL WITH
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.240
SOME DYSFUNCTION, AS DARRYL
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.130
CALLED IT, AT HOME.
00:23:46.130 --> 00:23:48.160
- JASON: YEAH.
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:50.010
- CLIFTON: UH, TELL US ABOUT
00:23:50.010 --> 00:23:50.220
THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR
00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:51.120
FATHER.
00:23:51.120 --> 00:23:53.020
- JASON: YEAH -- SO, I GREW
00:23:53.020 --> 00:23:55.250
UP, UH PARENTS, UPSTATE NEW
00:23:55.250 --> 00:23:56.150
YORK, ALBANY AREA.
00:23:56.150 --> 00:23:58.190
UH, HUGE SPORTS FAN, LIKE I
00:23:58.190 --> 00:23:59.090
SAID.
00:23:59.090 --> 00:23:59.190
PARENTS DIVORCED WHEN I WAS 6.
00:23:59.190 --> 00:24:00.180
UM, SO, IT WAS PART OF A BROKEN
00:24:01.120 --> 00:24:04.120
HOME FROM AN EARLY AGE.
00:24:04.120 --> 00:24:06.130
AND MY DAD WAS, UH, AN
00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:09.140
ALCOHOLIC, EARLY IN OUR LIVES,
00:24:09.140 --> 00:24:11.290
AS KIDS.
00:24:11.290 --> 00:24:14.030
YOU KNOW, WITH MY DAD, IT WAS A
00:24:14.030 --> 00:24:16.040
CONFUSING RELATIONSHIP, AS I
00:24:16.040 --> 00:24:17.280
LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.
00:24:17.280 --> 00:24:19.050
- CLIFTON: MMH.
00:24:19.050 --> 00:24:20.050
- JASON: BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE
00:24:20.050 --> 00:24:21.120
WOULD TAKE US TO THE BAR
00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:22.200
AND...HE'D GIVE US A QUARTER,
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.120
AND BUY US A SODA, AND GO PLAY
00:24:24.120 --> 00:24:26.150
PINBALL.
00:24:26.150 --> 00:24:27.220
THAT'S COOL FOR A 6-YEAR-OLD OR
00:24:27.220 --> 00:24:29.240
A 7-YEAR-OLD KID TO DO THAT.
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:31.160
YOU'RE LIKE: "THANKS, DAD!
00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:32.080
LET'S GO PLAY SOME PINBALL."
00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:34.200
BUT YOU REALIZE, WHILE WE WERE
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.020
DOING THAT, HE'S UP AT THE BAR
00:24:36.020 --> 00:24:36.270
GETTING WASTED.
00:24:36.270 --> 00:24:38.070
- CLIFTON: OH, WOW.
00:24:38.070 --> 00:24:39.030
- JASON: AND, AT 6, 7, 8 YEARS
00:24:39.030 --> 00:24:40.150
OLD, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW
00:24:40.150 --> 00:24:42.040
WHAT'S GOING ON.
00:24:42.040 --> 00:24:43.120
BUT AS YOU START TO GET A
00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:44.250
LITTLE BIT OLDER, YOU REALIZE:
00:24:44.250 --> 00:24:45.270
THIS IS NOT NORMAL AND THERE'S
00:24:45.270 --> 00:24:47.250
SOME THINGS THAT ARE REALLY
00:24:47.250 --> 00:24:48.210
SERIOUSLY WRONG HERE.
00:24:48.210 --> 00:24:50.060
AND IT JUST PERIODICALLY GOT
00:24:50.060 --> 00:24:51.050
WORSE, AS I GOT OLDER.
00:24:51.050 --> 00:24:52.290
- CLIFTON: MMH...WHAT WAS YOUR
00:24:52.290 --> 00:24:54.190
CONNECTION WITH YOUR FATHER AND
00:24:54.190 --> 00:24:55.240
SPORTS?
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.130
- JASON: I MEAN, THAT'S
00:24:56.130 --> 00:24:57.200
REALLY-- MY FATHER AND HIS
00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:58.280
FATHER -- MY GRANDFATHER --
00:24:58.280 --> 00:25:00.050
GEORGE ROMANO, WERE THE TWO
00:25:00.050 --> 00:25:02.030
BIGGEST SPORTS FANS I KNEW.
00:25:02.030 --> 00:25:03.280
AND I LOVED, UH, WATCHING
00:25:03.280 --> 00:25:05.020
GAMES.
00:25:05.020 --> 00:25:06.180
AND I HAVE MEMORIES OF WATCHING
00:25:06.180 --> 00:25:07.270
GAMES WITH THEM AS A KID --
00:25:07.270 --> 00:25:08.220
GOOD MEMORIES...
00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:09.060
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:25:09.060 --> 00:25:09.290
- JASON: ...UM, UNTIL I GOT
00:25:09.290 --> 00:25:11.180
OLDER AND REALIZED THAT THOSE
00:25:11.180 --> 00:25:13.090
GOOD MEMORIES-- I WANTED TO
00:25:13.090 --> 00:25:15.040
WATCH SPORTS WITH MY DAD, NOT
00:25:15.040 --> 00:25:16.000
MY DRUNK DAD.
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:17.010
AND THAT WAS WHERE IT WAS-- IT
00:25:17.010 --> 00:25:19.040
BECAME REALLY DIFFICULT.
00:25:19.040 --> 00:25:20.160
BUT THAT LOVE OF SPORTS STEMMED
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.160
FROM HIM.
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:23.120
AND, HONESTLY, TODAY, STILL, AS
00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:24.040
THE RELATIONSHIP IS IN REPAIR
00:25:24.040 --> 00:25:26.250
MODE -- AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT
00:25:26.250 --> 00:25:27.270
THAT -- HE AND I STILL HAVE
00:25:27.270 --> 00:25:30.110
CONVERSATIONS ON THE PHONE AND
00:25:30.110 --> 00:25:31.290
VERY RARELY DO WE GO BEYOND
00:25:31.290 --> 00:25:33.110
SPORTS.
00:25:33.110 --> 00:25:34.000
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS FOR ME.
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:35.250
- CLIFTON: HOW DID YOUR
00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:36.180
FATHER'S ADDICTION IMPACT YOU--
00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:38.010
YOUR LIFE AND YOUR FAMILY?
00:25:38.010 --> 00:25:40.200
- JASON: IT IMPACTED IT QUITE
00:25:41.020 --> 00:25:44.020
A BIT, IN A GOOD WAY, WHICH IS
00:25:44.020 --> 00:25:44.230
WEIRD TO SAY, BUT I-- YOU KNOW,
00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:46.130
I CHOSE NOT TO DRINK ALCOHOL...
00:25:46.220 --> 00:25:49.220
FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE BECAUSE I
00:25:49.220 --> 00:25:50.180
DIDN'T WANNA BECOME MY DAD.
00:25:50.180 --> 00:25:51.180
I WAS SCARED.
00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:52.200
- CLIFTON: MMH...
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:53.280
- JASON: I WAS REALLY SCARED
00:25:53.280 --> 00:25:54.190
TO BECOME WHAT HE HAD BECOME
00:25:54.190 --> 00:25:56.100
BECAUSE OF ALCOHOL, SO I CHOSE
00:25:56.100 --> 00:25:57.250
NOT TO DRINK.
00:25:57.250 --> 00:25:59.280
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE A
00:25:59.280 --> 00:26:00.290
REAL REL-- LIKE A FAITH
00:26:00.290 --> 00:26:02.100
RELATIONSHIP, OR A RELATIONSHIP
00:26:02.100 --> 00:26:03.270
WITH THE LORD AT ALL, UNTIL
00:26:03.270 --> 00:26:04.290
LATER.
00:26:04.290 --> 00:26:05.150
SO, EVEN AT A YOUNG AGE, BEFORE
00:26:05.150 --> 00:26:07.030
I HAD A REAL SENSE OF WHO GOD
00:26:07.050 --> 00:26:10.050
WAS, I STILL FELT LIKE I CANNOT
00:26:10.050 --> 00:26:12.110
DRINK OR ELSE THIS IS GONNA
00:26:12.110 --> 00:26:15.080
TURN OUT REALLY BAD.
00:26:16.220 --> 00:26:19.220
BUT AS I GOT OLDER-- AND THE
00:26:19.220 --> 00:26:20.230
REAL TOUGH PART OF THE
00:26:20.230 --> 00:26:21.150
RELATIONSHIP WAS, AS I TALK
00:26:21.150 --> 00:26:23.120
ABOUT IN MY BOOK, THE PILLAR
00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:24.170
MOMENTS -- YOU KNOW, HIGH
00:26:24.170 --> 00:26:26.010
SCHOOL GRADUATION, COLLEGE
00:26:26.010 --> 00:26:27.170
GRADUATION, EVEN MARRYING MY
00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:28.130
WIFE, DAWN.
00:26:28.130 --> 00:26:30.170
- CLIFTON: WHAT HAPPENED IN
00:26:30.170 --> 00:26:31.080
THOSE MOMENTS?
00:26:31.080 --> 00:26:31.270
- JASON: MY DAD WASN'T THERE.
00:26:31.270 --> 00:26:32.190
THAT WAS THE THING.
00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:33.140
HE WAS IN A REHAB CENTER OR
00:26:33.140 --> 00:26:35.160
JUST HAVING A REAL BAD SPELL
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:36.240
WITH ALCOHOL.
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.020
AND HE JUST WASN'T AROUND.
00:26:38.020 --> 00:26:39.170
I SAY HE WAS AROUND, I SHOULD
00:26:39.170 --> 00:26:41.060
SAY, BUT HE WASN'T PRESENT...IN
00:26:41.060 --> 00:26:42.180
MY LIFE.
00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:43.180
AND THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE
00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:44.090
WHEN YOU HAVE A DAD WHO'S
00:26:44.090 --> 00:26:45.250
AROUND BUT HE'S NOT PRESENT.
00:26:45.250 --> 00:26:47.140
AND THAT ALCOHOL WAS REALLY AT
00:26:47.140 --> 00:26:48.100
THE ROOT OF IT ALL.
00:26:48.100 --> 00:26:49.110
- CLIFTON: MMH.
00:26:49.110 --> 00:26:50.080
SO, MY FATHER WAS AN ALCOHOLIC,
00:26:50.100 --> 00:26:53.100
AS WELL.
00:26:53.100 --> 00:26:55.010
HE WAS A CLOSET ALCOHOLIC.
00:26:55.010 --> 00:26:57.250
- JASON: MMH.
00:26:57.250 --> 00:26:58.250
- CLIFTON: LITERALLY, I...I
00:26:58.250 --> 00:26:59.160
REMEMBER HE HAD A LOCKED CLOSET
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.050
IN HIS OFFICE -- AND HE WAS A
00:27:01.050 --> 00:27:02.140
PASTOR.
00:27:02.140 --> 00:27:03.170
- CLIFTON: AND, UH WHEN I WAS
00:27:08.260 --> 00:27:09.180
18, FINALLY, SOMETHING SAID,
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:10.080
"OPEN THAT DOOR."
00:27:10.080 --> 00:27:10.270
AND I FIGURED OUT HOW TO OPEN
00:27:10.270 --> 00:27:11.180
THE DOOR.
00:27:11.180 --> 00:27:11.290
'CAUSE 18-YEAR-OLDS CAN GET
00:27:11.290 --> 00:27:13.200
- JASON: THAT'S TRUE.
00:27:16.100 --> 00:27:17.050
- CLIFTON: AND WHEN I OPENED
00:27:17.050 --> 00:27:17.260
THE DOOR, BOTTLES JUST
00:27:17.260 --> 00:27:18.160
CASCADED...
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.270
- JASON: JUST FELL OUT.
00:27:20.270 --> 00:27:21.220
- CLIFTON: ...OUT OF THE
00:27:21.220 --> 00:27:22.110
CLOSET.
00:27:22.110 --> 00:27:25.030
AND THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD SIT
00:27:25.030 --> 00:27:26.250
UP IN HIS OFFICE AT NIGHT--
00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:27.150
INSTEAD OF STUDYING FOR A
00:27:27.150 --> 00:27:28.040
SERMON, HE WAS GETTIN' WASTED.
00:27:28.040 --> 00:27:30.220
- DARRYL AND JASON: MMH.
00:27:30.220 --> 00:27:32.260
- CLIFTON: AND, UH...AND SO, I
00:27:32.260 --> 00:27:33.290
COULDN'T REALLY SPEAK TO HIM
00:27:33.290 --> 00:27:34.200
ABOUT IT...
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:35.120
- JASON: YEAH.
00:27:35.120 --> 00:27:35.260
- CLIFTON: ...UNTIL YEARS
00:27:35.260 --> 00:27:36.290
LATER, WHEN WE HELPED HIM GET A
00:27:36.290 --> 00:27:38.140
NEW CADILLAC, AND, A WEEK AND A
00:27:38.140 --> 00:27:41.020
HALF LATER, HE TOTALED IT.
00:27:41.020 --> 00:27:42.150
- JASON: YEAH.
00:27:42.150 --> 00:27:43.140
- DARRYL: MMH.
00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:44.130
- CLIFTON: DUI.
00:27:44.130 --> 00:27:45.090
- JASON: YEAH.
00:27:45.090 --> 00:27:46.160
- CLIFTON: INSURANCE GOT HIM
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:47.070
ANOTHER ONE.
00:27:47.070 --> 00:27:48.160
AND -- DON'T YOU KNOW -- A
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:49.220
MONTH LATER, HE TOTALED THAT
00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:51.130
ONE, TOO, WITH A DUI?
00:27:51.130 --> 00:27:53.020
- DARRYL: MMH.
00:27:53.020 --> 00:27:54.090
- CLIFTON: AND SO, THEN, THE
00:27:54.090 --> 00:27:55.000
WORLD BEGAN TO KNOW THAT HE HAD
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:56.120
A PROBLEM -- 'CAUSE HE HAD TO
00:27:56.120 --> 00:27:57.140
GO TO JAIL.
00:27:57.140 --> 00:27:57.290
- JASON: YEAH.
00:27:57.290 --> 00:27:59.150
- CLIFTON: AND, UH...AND SO, I
00:27:59.150 --> 00:28:00.200
CAN RELATE TO YOUR STORY.
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.040
- JASON: SURE.
00:28:02.040 --> 00:28:03.100
- CLIFTON: AND SO, WHAT I'M
00:28:03.100 --> 00:28:04.200
ASKING IS -- HOW DID IT MAKE
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.190
YOU FEEL WHEN HE MISSED YOUR
00:28:06.190 --> 00:28:07.140
WEDDING AND YOUR CHILD'S BIRTH
00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:08.250
AND ALL OF THAT?
00:28:08.250 --> 00:28:10.020
HOW DID THAT-- WHAT HAPPENED TO
00:28:10.020 --> 00:28:11.050
YOU?
00:28:11.050 --> 00:28:13.030
- JASON: YOU KNOW, IN THOSE
00:28:13.030 --> 00:28:15.160
YOUNGER AGES, EVEN, LIKE, HIGH
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:16.220
SCHOOL AND COLLEGE, I THINK I
00:28:16.220 --> 00:28:17.290
BY THE TIME I WAS IN MY 20S AND
00:28:20.210 --> 00:28:21.130
HEADING TOWARDS 30, AND
00:28:21.130 --> 00:28:23.270
BECOMING A HUSBAND AND A DAD, I
00:28:23.270 --> 00:28:25.170
HAD KIND OF...JUST...PUT A
00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:27.280
FENCE UP, A WALL UP, IN MY
00:28:27.280 --> 00:28:29.270
LIFE, WITH HIM.
00:28:29.270 --> 00:28:32.110
AND IT WASN'T UNEXPECTED, AS
00:28:32.110 --> 00:28:33.010
SAD AS THAT SOUNDS.
00:28:33.010 --> 00:28:34.000
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:34.150
- JASON: THERE WAS DEFINITELY
00:28:34.150 --> 00:28:35.130
A VOID AND THERE WAS DEFINITELY
00:28:35.130 --> 00:28:36.060
BUT I HAD KINDA MOVED ON AT
00:28:39.190 --> 00:28:40.090
THAT POINT IN MY LIFE.
00:28:40.090 --> 00:28:40.260
I SAID: YOU KNOW WHAT?
00:28:40.260 --> 00:28:41.130
I'M GOING TO MOVE ON AND DO THE
00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:42.050
BEST THAT I CAN IN MY LIFE.
00:28:42.050 --> 00:28:44.140
I HAVE A LIFE TO LIVE.
00:28:44.140 --> 00:28:45.020
BUT A LOT WENT INTO HIM NOT
00:28:45.020 --> 00:28:47.100
BEING INVITED TO
00:28:47.100 --> 00:28:49.080
OUR WEDDING,
00:28:49.080 --> 00:28:49.230
AND, CERTAINLY, EVEN,
00:28:49.230 --> 00:28:51.070
NOT COMING TO THE BIRTH
00:28:51.070 --> 00:28:52.270
OF OUR DAUGHTER BEING BORN.
00:28:52.270 --> 00:28:53.170
YOU KNOW, HE WAS IN A REHAB.
00:28:53.170 --> 00:28:54.110
AND IT WAS SAD.
00:28:54.110 --> 00:28:55.150
I REALLY WANTED HIM-- EVERYBODY
00:28:55.150 --> 00:28:56.240
WANTS THEIR DAD TO BE A PART OF
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:58.000
THEIR LIVES--
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.010
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:28:59.010 --> 00:28:59.210
- JASON: --IN ALL OF THE BIG
00:28:59.210 --> 00:29:00.230
MOMENTS THAT THEY GO THROUGH.
00:29:00.230 --> 00:29:01.260
AND SO, LOOKING BACK, YOU
00:29:01.260 --> 00:29:03.290
REALIZE IT WAS A BIG VOID.
00:29:03.290 --> 00:29:05.130
UM, BUT WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH
00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:06.230
IT, YOU JUST KIND OF-- YOU GOT
00:29:06.230 --> 00:29:07.240
LIFE TO LIVE.
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:08.290
YOU KNOW?
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AND YOU'RE JUST KIND OF MOVING
00:29:09.130 --> 00:29:10.260
THROUGH IT AS BEST AS YOU CAN.
00:29:10.260 --> 00:29:11.240
- CLIFTON: AND SO, GETTING
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.070
INVOLVED IN YOUR OWN LIFE WAS
00:29:13.070 --> 00:29:15.040
YOUR MEANS OF COPING?
00:29:15.040 --> 00:29:17.010
- JASON: YEAH.
00:29:17.010 --> 00:29:18.080
THAT WAS A LOT OF IT.
00:29:18.080 --> 00:29:20.230
UM, YOU KNOW, I-I-- MY MOM --
00:29:20.230 --> 00:29:22.080
KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SAID
00:29:22.080 --> 00:29:23.070
ABOUT YOUR MOM -- SHE SAVED ME
00:29:23.070 --> 00:29:24.070
AND SHE SAVED MY TWO BROTHERS,
00:29:24.070 --> 00:29:25.100
AND KEPT US ON THE STRAIGHT AND
00:29:25.100 --> 00:29:26.160
NARROW, AND ALLOWED US TO DREAM
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.010
AND ALLOWED US TO PURSUE THOSE
00:29:28.010 --> 00:29:29.080
DREAMS.
00:29:29.080 --> 00:29:31.260
AND THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT
00:29:31.260 --> 00:29:32.240
OPPORTUNITY, I WAS ABLE TO GO
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:34.030
TO COLLEGE AND GO FOR THE-- THE
00:29:34.030 --> 00:29:35.150
CAREER THAT I WANTED TO GO
00:29:35.150 --> 00:29:37.110
AFTER.
00:29:37.110 --> 00:29:37.240
AND DOING ALL OF THAT IS WHAT
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.140
HELPED ME KINDA...JUST IGNORE,
00:29:39.140 --> 00:29:42.000
I GUESS, IN A LOT OF WAYS, OR
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.080
DEAL WITH WHAT WAS HAPPENING
00:29:43.080 --> 00:29:44.190
WITH MY DAD.
00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:45.040
I WAS GOING AFTER MY CAREER AND
00:29:45.040 --> 00:29:46.190
TRYING TO PURSUE THE SUCCESS
00:29:46.190 --> 00:29:48.040
AND THE DRIVE TO BECOME
00:29:48.040 --> 00:29:50.100
SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS
00:29:50.100 --> 00:29:51.170
BIGGER THAN MYSELF AND
00:29:51.170 --> 00:29:52.210
SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE HIM
00:29:52.210 --> 00:29:54.020
PROUD IN MANY WAYS.
00:29:54.020 --> 00:29:55.050
- CLIFTON: DID IT MAKE YOU
00:29:55.050 --> 00:29:56.190
ALSO WANNA FIND A WAY TO FIGHT
00:29:56.190 --> 00:29:57.280
ADDICTIONS?
00:29:57.280 --> 00:29:58.200
- JASON: YEAH!
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.010
IT REALLY DID.
00:30:00.010 --> 00:30:01.170
I MEAN, I-- IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE
00:30:01.170 --> 00:30:02.170
I REMEMBER BEING IN COLLEGE AND
00:30:02.170 --> 00:30:03.230
SEEING, UH, YOU KNOW, MY
00:30:03.230 --> 00:30:05.140
FRIENDS DRINKING AND HAVING
00:30:05.140 --> 00:30:06.210
PARTIES.
00:30:06.210 --> 00:30:07.290
AND THAT'S KINDA JUST WHAT
00:30:07.290 --> 00:30:08.280
COLLEGE KIDS DO, RIGHT?
00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:09.160
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.080
- JASON: AND I WAS THE ONLY
00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:10.290
ONE NOT HAVING ANY ALCOHOL.
00:30:10.290 --> 00:30:12.070
UM...AND, YOU DON'T REALIZE IT,
00:30:12.070 --> 00:30:14.120
WHEN YOU'RE 18, YOU'RE THE GUY
00:30:14.120 --> 00:30:15.150
BEING MADE FUN OF.
00:30:15.150 --> 00:30:16.270
BUT BY THE TIME YOU GET INTO
00:30:16.270 --> 00:30:18.020
YOUR 20S AND 30S, YOU REALIZE
00:30:18.020 --> 00:30:19.120
THERE'S AN EXAMPLE THERE THAT
00:30:19.120 --> 00:30:21.140
YOU CAN-- YOU CAN SET.
00:30:21.140 --> 00:30:22.130
AND, FOR MANY PEOPLE, WHEN I
00:30:22.130 --> 00:30:24.030
WOULD TELL THEM I DON'T DRINK,
00:30:24.030 --> 00:30:25.140
IT USUALLY ENTERED INTO A
00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:26.170
QUESTION OF WHY.
00:30:26.170 --> 00:30:28.010
AND THAT ALLOWED ME TO TALK
00:30:28.010 --> 00:30:29.050
ABOUT ADDICTION.
00:30:29.050 --> 00:30:30.040
I DIDN'T TALK A LOT ABOUT MY
00:30:30.040 --> 00:30:30.240
DAD...
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:31.120
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
00:30:31.120 --> 00:30:32.260
- JASON: ...BUT IT ALLOWED ME
00:30:32.260 --> 00:30:33.240
TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:34.220
SAY, "YEAH, THE DRINKING IS ALL
00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:36.190
FUN AND GAMES, BUT, THERE'S
00:30:36.190 --> 00:30:37.150
SOME SERIOUS, YOU KNOW,
00:30:37.150 --> 00:30:38.220
REPERCUSSIONS FOR THIS IF YOU
00:30:38.220 --> 00:30:39.240
GO TOO FAR."
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:40.110
- DARRYL: MM-HMM.
00:30:40.110 --> 00:30:41.100
- CLIFTON: YEAH, YEAH.
00:30:41.100 --> 00:30:41.280
- JASON: SO...
00:30:41.280 --> 00:30:42.290
- CLIFTON: WELL, SPEAKING IN
00:30:42.290 --> 00:30:43.200
THE TERMS OF DOING SOMETHING TO
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:45.100
HELP SOMEBODY...
00:30:45.100 --> 00:30:47.120
- JASON: SURE.
00:30:47.120 --> 00:30:47.270
- CLIFTON: ...DARRYL, YOU
00:30:47.270 --> 00:30:50.250
OPENED A FOUNDATION THAT WOULD
00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:51.250
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN YOUNG
00:30:51.250 --> 00:30:53.000
LIVES.
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:53.150
- JASON: YEAH.
00:30:53.150 --> 00:30:54.000
- CLIFTON: TALK A LITTLE BIT
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.130
ABOUT THAT FOUNDATION.
00:30:55.130 --> 00:30:56.020
- DARRYL: WELL, ME AND MY WIFE
00:30:56.020 --> 00:30:57.150
WE CAME FROM ADDICTION
00:30:59.210 --> 00:31:00.110
AND SHE HAS, YOU KNOW,
00:31:00.110 --> 00:31:02.090
OVER 18 YEARS IN RECOVERY AND I
00:31:02.090 --> 00:31:03.210
HAVE 16.
00:31:03.210 --> 00:31:05.050
AND, UM, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO
00:31:05.050 --> 00:31:07.040
WAS START HELPING ACROSS
00:31:07.040 --> 00:31:08.210
AMERICA, ACROSS THE GLOBE.
00:31:08.210 --> 00:31:10.020
THIS IS NOT ABOUT A POLITICAL--
00:31:10.020 --> 00:31:11.260
BEING POLITICALLY
00:31:11.260 --> 00:31:14.040
CORRECT.
00:31:14.040 --> 00:31:15.170
THIS IS A BROKENNESS ACROSS
00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:19.040
AMERICA, UH, WITH YOUNG PEOPLE
00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:20.080
WHO ARE ADDICTED TO DRUGS,
00:31:20.080 --> 00:31:21.070
TODAY.
00:31:21.070 --> 00:31:22.200
SO, I GO INTO THE HIGH SCHOOLS
00:31:22.250 --> 00:31:25.250
AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS, AND I GO IN
00:31:25.250 --> 00:31:26.170
AND SHARE TO THE KIDS AND TRY
00:31:26.170 --> 00:31:28.100
TO BRING AWARENESS ABOUT:
00:31:28.100 --> 00:31:30.090
DON'T DO DRUGS.
00:31:30.090 --> 00:31:30.250
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:31:30.250 --> 00:31:31.110
- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, DON'T--
00:31:31.110 --> 00:31:32.260
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S TALKIN'
00:31:32.260 --> 00:31:34.180
ABOUT MARIJUANA'S NOT A DRUG.
00:31:34.180 --> 00:31:35.090
YES, IT IS.
00:31:35.090 --> 00:31:35.210
IT'S GONNA ALTER THEIR MIND.
00:31:35.210 --> 00:31:36.110
IT'S GONNA CHANGE THEIR MIND.
00:31:36.110 --> 00:31:38.000
YOU KNOW?
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:38.250
[APPLAUSE]
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.160
FOR US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.240
YOUNG PEOPLE'S LIVES OR
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.090
PEOPLE'S LIVES PERIOD THAT ARE
00:31:47.090 --> 00:31:48.180
ADDICTED, UM, WE HAVE TO BE
00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:50.160
REAL ABOUT IT.
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.160
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:53.250
SUGARCOAT IT.
00:31:53.250 --> 00:31:54.280
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE AT WHERE
00:31:55.170 --> 00:31:58.170
WE'RE AT TODAY, THE EPIDEMIC
00:31:58.170 --> 00:31:59.070
WE'RE AT TODAY.
00:31:59.070 --> 00:32:00.260
NEW JERSEY'S ALREADY HAD 300
00:32:00.260 --> 00:32:01.220
DEATHS OF OVERDOSE FROM OPIATE.
00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:03.240
- CLIFTON: MMH-MMH-MMH...
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.030
- DARRYL: YOU KNOW?
00:32:05.030 --> 00:32:05.210
I GET A PHONE CALL EVERY DAY
00:32:05.210 --> 00:32:06.110
ABOUT SOMEONE DYING: "WHAT DO I
00:32:06.110 --> 00:32:07.040
DO?"
00:32:07.040 --> 00:32:09.090
AND I SAID-- YOU KNOW, THEY HAD
00:32:09.090 --> 00:32:11.150
ME, WANTED ME TO DO-- BE
00:32:11.150 --> 00:32:13.030
INVOLVED WITH, YOU KNOW,
00:32:13.030 --> 00:32:14.000
POLITICAL PEOPLE.
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:14.240
SO, I SAID, "NO -- THIS IS
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:15.210
ABOUT FAITH, THIS IS ABOUT GOD,
00:32:15.210 --> 00:32:18.200
THIS IS ABOUT GETTING PROGRAMS
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:20.150
THAT'S GONNA TEACH BIBLICAL
00:32:20.150 --> 00:32:22.050
PRINCIPLES.
00:32:22.050 --> 00:32:22.190
- JASON: YES.
00:32:22.190 --> 00:32:23.040
- DARRYL: IF YOU DON'T WANNA
00:32:23.040 --> 00:32:24.040
TEACH BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES, I
00:32:24.040 --> 00:32:25.110
DON'T REALLY WANNA BE A PART OF
00:32:25.110 --> 00:32:26.030
IT.
00:32:26.030 --> 00:32:26.170
YOU KNOW?
00:32:26.170 --> 00:32:28.030
[APPLAUSE]
00:32:28.030 --> 00:32:28.210
I'VE ALREADY--
00:32:29.260 --> 00:32:32.260
I'VE ALREADY...
00:32:32.260 --> 00:32:35.100
....I'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED IT
00:32:35.100 --> 00:32:36.020
ON THE-- I'VE ALREADY
00:32:36.020 --> 00:32:37.190
EXPERIENCED IT ON THE NATURAL
00:32:37.190 --> 00:32:38.100
SIDE, AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHIN'
00:32:38.100 --> 00:32:39.000
WRONG WITH THAT.
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:39.270
YOU KNOW, NATURAL-- YOU KNOW,
00:32:39.270 --> 00:32:40.250
12-STEP PROGRAMS ARE GREAT.
00:32:40.250 --> 00:32:41.160
BUT, WE AT A TIME WHERE YOU
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:42.120
NEED BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES, YOU
00:32:42.120 --> 00:32:43.050
KNOW?
00:32:43.050 --> 00:32:44.020
IF YOU WANT LIVES SAVED, JESUS
00:32:44.020 --> 00:32:44.230
IS THE ONLY ONE GONNA SAVE
00:32:44.230 --> 00:32:45.270
THOSE LIVES.
00:32:45.270 --> 00:32:46.240
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:47.180
- DARRYL: IT'S NOT A MAN, IT'S
00:32:47.180 --> 00:32:48.140
NOT A 12-STEP, IT'S NOT A
00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:49.140
PROGRAM.
00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:52.100
[APPLAUSE]
00:32:52.100 --> 00:32:53.280
SO MANY COME IN AND STRADDLE
00:32:53.280 --> 00:32:55.040
THE FENCE AND--
00:32:55.040 --> 00:32:56.190
AND GO BACK OUT AND THEY WONDER
00:32:56.190 --> 00:32:57.110
WHY THEY GO BACK OUT.
00:32:57.110 --> 00:32:59.120
BECAUSE YOU-- YOU CAN'T BE WELL
00:32:59.120 --> 00:33:00.200
ON THE INSIDE UNTIL JESUS HEAL
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:01.180
YOU.
00:33:01.230 --> 00:33:04.230
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KEEP TRYIN'
00:33:04.230 --> 00:33:05.140
EVERYTHING TO MAKE YOU LOOK
00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:06.040
GOOD ON THE OUTSIDE AND DRESS
00:33:06.040 --> 00:33:06.250
UP ON THE OUTSIDE.
00:33:06.250 --> 00:33:07.160
SO, I SUCH A PASSION AND SUCH
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.090
AN URGENCY GETTIN' UP EVERY
00:33:10.090 --> 00:33:12.040
DAY, UH, DOIN' WHAT CHRIST DID
00:33:12.040 --> 00:33:13.240
2.000 YEARS AGO.
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.000
WHAT DID JESUS DO...WHEN WE
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.000
REALLY THINK ABOUT IT?
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.230
WHAT DID JESUS DO?
00:33:18.230 --> 00:33:19.190
ALL JESUS DID WAS LOVE PEOPLE.
00:33:19.190 --> 00:33:21.140
WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET BACK TO
00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:24.040
THAT?
00:33:24.040 --> 00:33:25.070
YOU KNOW?
00:33:25.070 --> 00:33:27.070
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA
00:33:27.070 --> 00:33:27.290
BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE IS
00:33:27.290 --> 00:33:28.180
LOVIN' 'EM.
00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:30.240
I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.110
BLACK, WHITE, BLUE --
00:33:31.110 --> 00:33:31.280
THAT DON'T MATTER.
00:33:31.280 --> 00:33:32.140
WHEN HE HUNG ON THAT CROSS, HE
00:33:32.140 --> 00:33:34.080
HUNG ON THAT CROSS FOR
00:33:34.080 --> 00:33:35.200
EVERYBODY.
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:36.030
[APPLAUSE]
00:33:36.030 --> 00:33:37.170
SO, THAT'S WHAT WE...
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.160
[APPLAUSE]
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:42.160
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO COME TO
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:43.240
AS PEOPLE.
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:44.270
WE HAVE TO COME TO THAT PLACE
00:33:44.270 --> 00:33:46.100
WHERE WE LEARN-- LEARN TO LOVE
00:33:46.100 --> 00:33:48.010
PEOPLE AND MEET 'EM RIGHT WHERE
00:33:48.010 --> 00:33:48.230
THEY AT.
00:33:48.230 --> 00:33:50.090
AND YOU CAN'T HELP 'EM IF YOU
00:33:50.090 --> 00:33:51.000
DON'T LOVE 'EM.
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:51.140
- CLIFTON: THAT'S RIGHT.
00:33:51.140 --> 00:33:52.070
- DARRYL: IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO--
00:33:52.070 --> 00:33:52.290
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO HELP PEOPLE
00:33:52.290 --> 00:33:53.200
IF YOU SAY, "I WANNA HELP 'EM,
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:54.160
BUT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THEIR
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:55.160
PROBLEM."
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:56.020
I CAN'T HELP 'EM IF I--
00:33:56.020 --> 00:33:58.060
YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THERE-- WE
00:33:58.060 --> 00:33:59.190
KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE.
00:33:59.190 --> 00:34:02.020
BUT WHAT IS THE SOLUTION.
00:34:02.020 --> 00:34:03.280
THE SOLUTION IS JESUS CHRIST
00:34:03.280 --> 00:34:05.160
HIMSELF!
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:06.220
[APPLAUSE]
00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:11.170
- CLIFTON: WELL...
00:34:11.170 --> 00:34:13.220
- JASON: THAT'S IT, MAN.
00:34:13.220 --> 00:34:14.110
- CLIFTON: ...HE...HE
00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:15.090
CERTAINLY IS IN THE HEALING
00:34:15.090 --> 00:34:15.290
BUSINESS.
00:34:15.290 --> 00:34:16.100
I'M A WITNESS.
00:34:16.100 --> 00:34:17.070
I'M ONE HIS PATIENTS--
00:34:17.070 --> 00:34:19.080
- DARRYL: COME ON!
00:34:19.080 --> 00:34:19.240
- CLIFTON: --WHO'S BEEN
00:34:19.240 --> 00:34:21.270
HEALED.
00:34:21.270 --> 00:34:22.130
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:23.150
[DARRYL LAUGHS]
00:34:23.150 --> 00:34:24.010
I SPOKE AT--
00:34:24.010 --> 00:34:25.160
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:34:25.160 --> 00:34:26.080
I'VE SPOKEN AT MORE THAN...MORE
00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:27.000
THAN 50 DIFFERENT COLLEGES,
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:27.250
UNIVERSITIES.
00:34:27.250 --> 00:34:30.180
AND I TALKED ABOUT MY PERSONAL
00:34:30.180 --> 00:34:31.250
EXPERIENCE WITH ADDICTION IN
00:34:31.250 --> 00:34:33.070
EACH OF THESE SCHOOLS.
00:34:33.070 --> 00:34:35.080
AND I LET THEM KNOW, YES, YOU
00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:36.210
HAVE TO FIRST ADMIT THAT YOU
00:34:36.210 --> 00:34:38.220
HAVE A PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO
00:34:38.220 --> 00:34:40.180
FIX THE PROBLEM.
00:34:40.180 --> 00:34:41.260
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:42.110
- CLIFTON: AND THE OTHER THING
00:34:42.110 --> 00:34:44.040
I SHARED WITH THEM WAS: I DON'T
00:34:44.040 --> 00:34:45.100
KNOW WHAT MEANS YOU'RE USING,
00:34:45.150 --> 00:34:48.150
BUT I TRIED THE DIVINE
00:34:48.150 --> 00:34:49.020
ALTERNATIVE AND IT WORKED FOR
00:34:49.020 --> 00:34:51.020
ME.
00:34:51.020 --> 00:34:51.210
HIS NAME IS JESUS.
00:34:51.210 --> 00:34:53.240
- DARRYL: COME ON.
00:34:53.240 --> 00:34:54.210
[APPLAUSE]
00:34:54.210 --> 00:34:55.110
- CLIFTON: SO...
00:34:55.110 --> 00:34:56.050
- JASON: THAT'S IT.
00:34:56.050 --> 00:34:57.080
- CLIFTON: ...TELL US ABOUT
00:34:57.080 --> 00:34:57.280
THE CLEAN, SOBER & SAVED
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.160
PROGRAM--
00:34:59.160 --> 00:35:01.010
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:35:01.010 --> 00:35:02.090
- CLIFTON: --THAT YOUR--
00:35:02.090 --> 00:35:03.160
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:35:03.160 --> 00:35:04.000
- CLIFTON: --YOUR WIFE AND YOU
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:04.220
PUT TOGETHER.
00:35:04.220 --> 00:35:05.050
- DARRYL: WELL, IT'S A
00:35:05.050 --> 00:35:05.230
CURRICULUM THAT MY WIFE, UH--
00:35:05.230 --> 00:35:06.270
THE LORD DOWNLOADED IT IN HER.
00:35:06.270 --> 00:35:08.190
IT'S A 12-STEP BIBLICAL
00:35:08.190 --> 00:35:10.050
CURRICULUM ABOUT CLEAN, SOBER,
00:35:10.050 --> 00:35:11.090
AND SAVED.
00:35:11.090 --> 00:35:12.010
YOU KNOW?
00:35:12.010 --> 00:35:13.070
YOU GET CLEAN, YOU GET SOBER,
00:35:13.070 --> 00:35:14.160
BUT, YOU GOTTA GET THE SAVED
00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:15.180
PART, TOO.
00:35:17.070 --> 00:35:20.070
BECAUSE THE SAVED PART IS GOING
00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:20.290
TO ENTER YOU AND IT'S GOING TO
00:35:20.290 --> 00:35:21.200
USHER YOU INTO THE PURPOSE OF
00:35:21.200 --> 00:35:22.110
CREATION.
00:35:22.110 --> 00:35:22.220
SEE, WHEN YOU GET SAVED,
00:35:22.220 --> 00:35:24.280
THERE'S A CREA-- THERE'S A
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:25.170
GREAT REASON OF-- FOR YOU OF
00:35:25.170 --> 00:35:27.120
LIVING, YOU KNOW?
00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:30.110
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT ROMANS
00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:31.010
8:28 TALKS ABOUT.
00:35:31.010 --> 00:35:31.240
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
00:35:31.240 --> 00:35:32.180
- DARRYL: IT SAYS: AND WE
00:35:32.180 --> 00:35:33.070
KNOW...AND WE KNOW ALL THINGS
00:35:33.070 --> 00:35:34.210
WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF
00:35:34.210 --> 00:35:35.160
THEM WHO LOVE THE LORD THROUGH
00:35:35.160 --> 00:35:36.130
THOSE CALLED ACCORDING TO HIS
00:35:36.130 --> 00:35:37.080
PURPOSE.
00:35:37.080 --> 00:35:38.040
SEE, NOW YOU START
00:35:38.040 --> 00:35:39.180
UNDERSTANDING WHO YOU ARE WHEN
00:35:39.180 --> 00:35:41.200
YOU GET SAVED, ON THE INSIDE,
00:35:41.200 --> 00:35:43.050
YOU KNOW.
00:35:43.050 --> 00:35:44.180
'CAUSE, IF YOU DON'T NEVER GET
00:35:44.180 --> 00:35:47.060
SAVED, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA KNOW
00:35:47.060 --> 00:35:47.270
WHO YOU ARE.
00:35:47.270 --> 00:35:48.230
YOU'RE STILL JUST GONNA FLOAT
00:35:48.230 --> 00:35:49.140
AROUND HERE AND THINK:
00:35:49.140 --> 00:35:50.150
WELL, YOU KNOW, I CAN BE
00:35:50.150 --> 00:35:51.030
THE NEXT THIS, THE NEXT THAT,
00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:51.280
THE NEXT THAT.
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.160
AND-- WELL, HE'S THE KING, THIS
00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:54.030
THE KING.
00:35:54.030 --> 00:35:55.250
THERE'S ONLY ONE KING.
00:35:55.250 --> 00:35:56.150
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY
00:35:56.150 --> 00:35:57.250
ONE KING...
00:35:57.250 --> 00:35:58.160
[APPLAUSE]
00:35:58.160 --> 00:35:59.070
...YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAY--
00:35:59.070 --> 00:35:59.260
JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.
00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:00.260
- CLIFTON: THAT'S RIGHT, HE'S
00:36:00.260 --> 00:36:01.170
KING.
00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:01.260
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:02.180
- CLIFTON: THAT'S RIGHT.
00:36:02.180 --> 00:36:03.100
[APPLAUSE]
00:36:03.100 --> 00:36:04.030
- DARRYL: AND WHEN YOU...
00:36:04.030 --> 00:36:04.220
[APPLAUSE]
00:36:04.220 --> 00:36:05.030
...AND WHEN YOU...
00:36:05.030 --> 00:36:05.190
[APPLAUSE]
00:36:05.190 --> 00:36:06.090
...AND WHEN YOU COME TO THAT
00:36:06.090 --> 00:36:07.220
PLACE OF KNOWING HIM, THEN, YOU
00:36:07.220 --> 00:36:08.190
TRULY HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH
00:36:08.190 --> 00:36:10.070
HIM...
00:36:10.070 --> 00:36:11.050
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM
00:36:11.050 --> 00:36:12.010
- DARRYL: ...AND HAD A-- NOT
00:36:12.010 --> 00:36:13.110
A-- YOU'VE HAD A REAL
00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:14.260
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
00:36:14.260 --> 00:36:15.210
NOW, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THINGS
00:36:15.210 --> 00:36:17.260
THAT-- THAT ARE...NOT JUST--
00:36:18.060 --> 00:36:21.060
YOU'RE AN ORDINARY PERSON, BUT
00:36:21.060 --> 00:36:22.290
YOU CAN DO EXTRAORDINARY THINGS
00:36:22.290 --> 00:36:24.150
BECAUSE OF HIM.
00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:25.170
- CLIFTON: YES.
00:36:25.170 --> 00:36:26.050
- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S
00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:27.290
WHAT THE CURRICULUM
00:36:27.290 --> 00:36:29.200
CLEAN, SOBER, SAVED IS --
00:36:29.200 --> 00:36:30.250
IT'S TRYING TO GET PEOPLE WELL
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:33.220
ON THE INSIDE.
00:36:33.220 --> 00:36:34.050
YOU KNOW, WE FOCUS TOO MUCH ON
00:36:34.050 --> 00:36:35.050
THE OUTSIDE OF WHAT A PERSON
00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:35.270
LOOK LIKE.
00:36:35.270 --> 00:36:36.290
WE NEVER FOCUS ON THE INSIDE.
00:36:36.290 --> 00:36:37.260
AND THE REAL PROBLEM'S ON THE
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:39.000
INSIDE.
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.210
AND IF WE CAN GET THEM TO GET
00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:41.120
TO CLEAN, SOBER, AND THEN WE
00:36:41.120 --> 00:36:42.270
CAN GET 'EM THE SAVED PART,
00:36:42.270 --> 00:36:45.240
GET 'EM INTO THE BIBLICAL
00:36:45.240 --> 00:36:47.040
PRINCIPLES, NOW THEY CAN LIVE
00:36:47.040 --> 00:36:47.250
OUT THE PURPOSE...OF THEIR
00:36:47.250 --> 00:36:48.150
- CLIFTON: YES.
00:36:49.090 --> 00:36:50.010
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:36:50.010 --> 00:36:50.250
- CLIFTON: WELL, JESUS CHRIST
00:36:50.250 --> 00:36:51.290
DIDN'T ASK THE WOMAN CAUGHT IN
00:36:51.290 --> 00:36:53.250
ADULTERY HOW SHE GOT INTO THAT
00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:54.250
SITUATION.
00:36:54.250 --> 00:36:55.200
UH, HE JUST ASKED, "DO YOU
00:36:55.200 --> 00:36:57.230
WANNA BE MADE WHOLE?"
00:36:57.230 --> 00:36:59.210
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:36:59.210 --> 00:37:00.090
- CLIFTON: DO YOU WANNA GET
00:37:00.090 --> 00:37:01.160
OUT?
00:37:01.160 --> 00:37:02.180
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:37:02.180 --> 00:37:03.220
- CLIFTON: I DON'T NEED TO
00:37:03.290 --> 00:37:06.290
HEAR THE DEEP AND DARK STORY OF
00:37:06.290 --> 00:37:07.210
SOMEBODY'S...ROAD TO ADDICTION.
00:37:07.270 --> 00:37:10.270
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:37:10.270 --> 00:37:11.140
- CLIFTON: I KNOW; I'VE BEEN
00:37:11.140 --> 00:37:12.070
DOWN THAT ROAD.
00:37:12.070 --> 00:37:12.290
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:37:12.290 --> 00:37:14.070
- CLIFTON: I JUST WANNA KNOW:
00:37:14.070 --> 00:37:15.050
ARE YOU WILLING TO BE MADE
00:37:15.050 --> 00:37:15.290
WHOLE?
00:37:15.290 --> 00:37:16.240
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:37:16.240 --> 00:37:17.220
- CLIFTON: BECAUSE I OFFER
00:37:17.220 --> 00:37:19.170
JESUS CHRIST AS A HEALER, AS,
00:37:19.170 --> 00:37:21.120
UH...AS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
00:37:21.120 --> 00:37:24.080
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:37:24.080 --> 00:37:25.080
- CLIFTON: HIS BLOOD IS CLEAN.
00:37:25.080 --> 00:37:26.000
IT CAN WASH US AND MAKE US
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.010
WHOLE AGAIN.
00:37:28.010 --> 00:37:29.040
- DARRYL: YEAH, WELL, YOU
00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:29.290
KNOW, THAT'S IT -- THAT'S SO
00:37:29.290 --> 00:37:31.010
TRUE.
00:37:31.010 --> 00:37:31.270
'CAUSE, HE'S MORE THAN-- HE'S
00:37:31.270 --> 00:37:33.090
MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT YOU
00:37:33.090 --> 00:37:34.180
WILL EVER RECEIVE.
00:37:34.180 --> 00:37:36.020
YOU KNOW, HE'S-- SEE, HE'S THE
00:37:36.020 --> 00:37:38.020
ALPHA, HE'S THE OMEGA, THE
00:37:38.020 --> 00:37:39.010
BEGINNING, THE END.
00:37:39.010 --> 00:37:39.250
YOU KNOW, HE'S THE KING OF
00:37:39.250 --> 00:37:40.220
KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, YOU
00:37:40.220 --> 00:37:41.190
KNOW...
00:37:41.190 --> 00:37:42.050
- CLIFTON: AMEN.
00:37:42.050 --> 00:37:43.040
- DARRYL: ...AND ALL THOSE
00:37:43.040 --> 00:37:43.240
THINGS, SO...
00:37:43.240 --> 00:37:44.080
[CLIFTON LAUGHS]
00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:44.240
HE'S MORE THAN-- HE'S MORE THAN
00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:45.220
WE DESERVE!
00:37:45.220 --> 00:37:46.140
- CLIFTON: YES, YES.
00:37:46.140 --> 00:37:47.160
- DARRYL: YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
00:37:47.160 --> 00:37:48.070
COME--
00:37:48.070 --> 00:37:48.220
- JASON: HE LIVED OUT WHAT
00:37:48.220 --> 00:37:49.130
WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH.
00:37:49.130 --> 00:37:50.110
HE'S LIVED IT HIMSELF.
00:37:50.110 --> 00:37:51.000
- DARRYL: EXACTLY.
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:51.160
- JASON: HE DIDN'T JUST SPEAK
00:37:51.160 --> 00:37:52.080
IT; HE LIVED IT.
00:37:52.080 --> 00:37:52.240
HE WALKED THIS EARTH AND WAS
00:37:52.240 --> 00:37:53.270
BETRAYED, AND WAS BEATEN, AND
00:37:53.270 --> 00:37:54.180
WAS--
00:37:54.180 --> 00:37:55.200
- DARRYL: COME ON.
00:37:55.200 --> 00:37:56.180
- JASON: --YOU KNOW, ALL THAT.
00:37:56.240 --> 00:37:59.240
HE WALKED THROUGH US AND HE
00:37:59.240 --> 00:38:00.160
WENT THROUGH IT...AND HE CAME
00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:01.070
OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND STILL
00:38:01.070 --> 00:38:01.290
WENT TO THE CROSS FOR US.
00:38:01.290 --> 00:38:02.180
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:38:02.180 --> 00:38:03.030
COME ON.
00:38:03.030 --> 00:38:03.130
- CLIFTON: AMEN.
00:38:03.130 --> 00:38:03.280
- DARRYL: AMEN.
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:04.170
- JASON: AND THAT'S IT, MAN.
00:38:04.170 --> 00:38:05.160
- CLIFTON: SOMEBODY APPLAUD
00:38:05.160 --> 00:38:06.060
THAT, PLEASE.
00:38:06.060 --> 00:38:06.210
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:12.200
- DARRYL: EMBRACE IT.
00:38:12.200 --> 00:38:13.070
[LAUGHS]
00:38:13.070 --> 00:38:15.250
- CLIFTON: IT'S THE TRUTH,
00:38:15.250 --> 00:38:16.150
ANYHOW.
00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:16.250
- DARRYL: YES.
00:38:16.250 --> 00:38:17.090
- CLIFTON: LET'S TALK ABOUT
00:38:17.090 --> 00:38:17.290
FORGIVENESS.
00:38:17.290 --> 00:38:18.110
BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
00:38:18.110 --> 00:38:19.190
ADDICTION, IF THE HEALING IS
00:38:19.190 --> 00:38:22.050
GOING RIGHT, IS FORGIVENESS.
00:38:22.050 --> 00:38:23.210
- DARRYL: MM-HMM.
00:38:23.210 --> 00:38:24.190
- CLIFTON: FORGIVENESS IS
00:38:24.190 --> 00:38:25.240
RELEASING SOMEBODY AND SETTING
00:38:25.240 --> 00:38:27.250
THEM FREE FROM THE CONDEMNATION
00:38:27.250 --> 00:38:28.290
OF SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE
00:38:28.290 --> 00:38:30.240
BEFORE, WHILE LETTING THEM KNOW
00:38:30.240 --> 00:38:32.170
IT'S PUT BEHIND US.
00:38:32.170 --> 00:38:34.080
THAT'S WHAT FORGIVENESS REALLY
00:38:34.080 --> 00:38:36.260
IS.
00:38:36.260 --> 00:38:38.100
WHAT ARE SOME SIGNS THAT YOU'RE
00:38:38.100 --> 00:38:39.290
LIVING WITH AN ADDICT WHO NEEDS
00:38:39.290 --> 00:38:41.160
FORGIVENESS?
00:38:41.160 --> 00:38:43.210
- JASON: OOFH...
00:38:43.210 --> 00:38:44.270
I MEAN, I THINK, FOR MANY
00:38:44.270 --> 00:38:46.200
YEARS, FOR MY DAD, I BECAME A
00:38:46.200 --> 00:38:48.130
CHRISTIAN AND STARTED WALKING
00:38:48.130 --> 00:38:49.250
I WAS 26.
00:38:51.140 --> 00:38:52.060
AND FOR ABOUT 10, OR 11, OR 12,
00:38:52.060 --> 00:38:53.150
OR 13 MORE YEARS, I STILL
00:38:53.150 --> 00:38:54.190
HADN'T COME TO A PLACE WHERE I
00:38:54.190 --> 00:38:57.140
COULD FORGIVE MY DAD.
00:38:57.140 --> 00:38:58.280
I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD
00:38:58.280 --> 00:38:59.280
FORGIVENESS WITH JESUS GOING TO
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.160
THE CROSS AND FORGIVING MY SINS
00:39:01.160 --> 00:39:02.260
EVERY DAY, AND I STILL COULDN'T
00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:04.230
AND IT WAS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I
00:39:08.150 --> 00:39:10.050
WAS ANGRY AT HIM.
00:39:10.050 --> 00:39:10.210
I WAS BITTER AT HIM.
00:39:10.210 --> 00:39:11.190
AND, WHEN YOU LOOK IN EPHESIANS
00:39:11.190 --> 00:39:13.060
4, IT SAYS, "LET ALL
00:39:13.060 --> 00:39:14.220
BITTERNESS...AND ANGER...AND
00:39:14.220 --> 00:39:16.140
SLANDER BE PUT AWAY FROM YOU,
00:39:16.140 --> 00:39:18.200
ALONG WITH ALL MALICE."
00:39:18.200 --> 00:39:20.170
AND THEN, IT SAYS -- WHAT?
00:39:20.170 --> 00:39:21.240
"...FORGIVE ONE ANOTHER AS
00:39:21.240 --> 00:39:23.120
GOD IN CHRIST FORGAVE US."
00:39:23.120 --> 00:39:24.160
FOR ME, I STRUGGLE WITH THAT.
00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:26.010
BECAUSE I CAN FORGIVE ANYONE
00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:28.000
WHO DID ANYTHING WRONG TO ME,
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:29.240
BUT NOT WHEN IT CAME TO MY DAD.
00:39:29.240 --> 00:39:32.070
THERE WAS A LOT OF DEEP-SEATED
00:39:32.070 --> 00:39:32.280
PAIN IN THERE.
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.190
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:39:34.190 --> 00:39:35.040
- JASON: AND IT WAS VERY, VERY
00:39:35.040 --> 00:39:35.260
HARD.
00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:36.090
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE KEY FOR
00:39:36.090 --> 00:39:37.000
ME WAS?
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:38.210
WHEN I REALIZED THAT MY DAD, IN
00:39:38.210 --> 00:39:41.180
THE EYES OF GOD, WAS THE SAME
00:39:41.180 --> 00:39:43.110
PERSON AS I WAS AND THE SAME
00:39:43.270 --> 00:39:46.270
PERSON THAT THIS EIGHT-TIME
00:39:46.270 --> 00:39:48.180
ALL-STAR WAS, THE SAME PERSON
00:39:48.180 --> 00:39:49.280
THAT THIS GUY ON TV WHEN I
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.070
WATCHED HIM WHEN I WAS YOUNGER
00:39:51.070 --> 00:39:52.240
-- WE'LL JUST SAY YOUNGER --
00:39:52.240 --> 00:39:53.150
WAS.
00:39:53.150 --> 00:39:54.150
[LAUGHTER]
00:39:54.150 --> 00:39:55.090
THE SAME PERSON IN THE EYES OF
00:39:55.090 --> 00:39:56.190
GOD!
00:39:56.190 --> 00:39:57.020
WE'RE ALL EQUAL.
00:39:57.260 --> 00:40:00.260
AND TO LOOK AT MY DAD AND
00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:01.150
REALIZE THAT-- FINALLY TO SEE
00:40:01.150 --> 00:40:02.150
IT THROUGH THE LENS OF CHRIST,
00:40:02.150 --> 00:40:03.070
HE NEEDED FORGIVENESS BECAUSE
00:40:03.070 --> 00:40:05.120
HE WAS SEEN IN THE EYES OF GOD.
00:40:05.120 --> 00:40:07.240
AND EVERY SINGLE DAY I WAKE UP
00:40:07.240 --> 00:40:09.110
AND I ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS
00:40:09.110 --> 00:40:10.170
AND YET I CAN'T EXUDE THAT
00:40:10.170 --> 00:40:12.080
FORGIVENESS ON SOMEONE ELSE.
00:40:12.080 --> 00:40:13.150
SOMETHIN'S WRONG THERE.
00:40:13.150 --> 00:40:14.220
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:40:14.220 --> 00:40:15.070
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:15.230
- JASON: SOMETHIN'S WRONG.
00:40:15.230 --> 00:40:17.000
SO, THAT'S WHERE-- REALLY WHAT
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:17.220
IT WAS ABOUT -- WAS SEEING IT
00:40:17.220 --> 00:40:18.220
THROUGH THE LENS OF CHRIST.
00:40:18.220 --> 00:40:19.190
- DARRYL: THAT'S...THAT'S
00:40:19.190 --> 00:40:20.140
PRETTY POWERFUL.
00:40:20.140 --> 00:40:21.180
'CAUSE THAT'S GOOD, THOUGH,
00:40:21.180 --> 00:40:22.080
'CAUSE MINE'S WAS, LIKE,
00:40:22.080 --> 00:40:24.080
TOTALLY THE OPPOSITE.
00:40:24.080 --> 00:40:24.270
[JASON LAUGHS]
00:40:24.270 --> 00:40:25.110
YOU KNOW, AND--
00:40:25.110 --> 00:40:25.250
- CLIFTON: HOW'S THAT?
00:40:25.250 --> 00:40:26.130
TELL US ABOUT IT.
00:40:26.130 --> 00:40:26.280
- DARRYL: BECAUSE, UH, MY
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:27.170
FATHER HAD REJECTED ME AND BEAT
00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:28.160
ME, AND I KEPT HIM OUT OF MY
00:40:28.160 --> 00:40:30.270
LIFE AND MY WHOLE CAREER.
00:40:30.270 --> 00:40:32.020
AND, HE DIDN'T GET TO BE A PART
00:40:32.020 --> 00:40:33.180
OF NONE OF THAT, YOU KNOW --
00:40:33.180 --> 00:40:35.270
JUST BITS AND PIECES, HERE,
00:40:35.270 --> 00:40:37.040
BECAUSE MY WHOLE FAMILY, THE
00:40:37.040 --> 00:40:38.250
REST OF 'EM, WERE A BIG PART OF
00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:39.290
WHO I WAS, AND...AND HE WAS
00:40:39.290 --> 00:40:41.130
LEFT OUT IN THE COLD.
00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:42.080
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ABOUT FIVE
00:40:42.080 --> 00:40:43.150
YEARS AGO, HE WAS, UM...HE WAS
00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:44.180
SICK.
00:40:44.180 --> 00:40:46.200
HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL.
00:40:46.200 --> 00:40:48.020
THE LORD HAD...SPOKE TO MY
00:40:48.020 --> 00:40:48.220
HEART.
00:40:48.220 --> 00:40:49.020
I WAS DOING A MEN'S CONFERENCE.
00:40:49.020 --> 00:40:49.240
THE NEXT DAY, HE SAYS: GO DOWN
00:40:49.240 --> 00:40:50.220
AND SEE YOUR FATHER.
00:40:50.220 --> 00:40:51.280
AND, HE DIDN'T JUST ONLY TELL
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.240
ME TO GO SEE HIM.
00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:56.120
HE SAYS: I WANT YOU TO GO DOWN
00:40:56.120 --> 00:40:57.070
TO SEE YOUR FATHER AND I WANT
00:40:57.070 --> 00:40:58.030
YOU TO REPENT TO HIM...FOR
00:40:58.030 --> 00:40:59.130
KEEPING HIM OUT OF YOUR LIFE...
00:40:59.130 --> 00:41:00.070
- CLIFTON: WOW.
00:41:00.070 --> 00:41:00.250
- JASON: WOW...
00:41:00.250 --> 00:41:01.090
- DARRYL: AND SAID: DON'T TALK
00:41:01.090 --> 00:41:02.120
ABOUT NOTHIN' HE DID TO YOU.
00:41:02.120 --> 00:41:03.030
- CLIFTON: MHH!
00:41:03.030 --> 00:41:04.080
- DARRYL: AND I SAID,
00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:04.250
"REALLY?"
00:41:04.250 --> 00:41:05.060
HE SAID: YES.
00:41:05.060 --> 00:41:05.240
AND I SAID, "I DON'T KNOW IF I
00:41:05.240 --> 00:41:06.210
CAN DO THAT."
00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:07.130
HE SAYS: YOU NEED TO GO AND
00:41:07.130 --> 00:41:08.220
REPENT TO YOUR FATHER.
00:41:08.220 --> 00:41:09.260
AND I DID.
00:41:09.260 --> 00:41:11.050
I OBEYED THE LORD.
00:41:11.050 --> 00:41:11.260
AND I WENT DOWN AND I ASKED MY
00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:13.100
FATHER TO FORGIVE ME FOR
00:41:13.100 --> 00:41:15.020
KEEPING HIM OUT OF MY LIFE.
00:41:15.020 --> 00:41:16.170
THE LORD SAID...
00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:17.130
- JASON: MMH.
00:41:17.130 --> 00:41:18.130
- DARRYL: ...THE LORD SAID,
00:41:18.130 --> 00:41:19.040
YOU KNOW...
00:41:19.040 --> 00:41:20.130
[EMOTION CREEPS INTO VOICE]
00:41:20.130 --> 00:41:21.040
...UH, THE LORD HAD SPOKE TO
00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:21.240
ME, HE SAYS: HOW DARE YOU NOT
00:41:21.240 --> 00:41:22.290
FORGIVE HIM AND I FORGAVE YOU?
00:41:22.290 --> 00:41:24.050
- CLIFTON: MMH...
00:41:24.050 --> 00:41:25.110
- DARRYL: AND I WENT DOWN AND
00:41:25.110 --> 00:41:26.190
I SAID IT.
00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:28.210
I SAID: "I'M SORRY.
00:41:28.210 --> 00:41:29.100
WOULD YOU FORGIVE ME?"
00:41:29.100 --> 00:41:30.000
AND I LAID IN HIS LAP.
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.170
HE SAID, "YES."
00:41:30.170 --> 00:41:31.050
AND I JUST LOST IT.
00:41:31.050 --> 00:41:31.210
- JASON: MMH.
00:41:31.210 --> 00:41:32.270
- DARRYL: I JUST CRIED,
00:41:32.270 --> 00:41:33.290
AND...AND THE LORD SAID:
00:41:33.290 --> 00:41:34.170
RAISE UP.
00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:35.050
AND HE SAYS: NOW, LEAD HIM TO
00:41:35.050 --> 00:41:35.260
ME.
00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:37.130
THERE I WAS, LEADING HIM IN THE
00:41:37.130 --> 00:41:38.050
SINNER'S PRAYER.
00:41:38.050 --> 00:41:40.170
THE MAN THAT BEAT ME, REJECTED
00:41:40.170 --> 00:41:41.080
ME -- I WAS LEADING HIM TO THE
00:41:41.080 --> 00:41:41.290
LORD.
00:41:41.290 --> 00:41:42.080
AND THE LORD REMINDED ME THAT
00:41:42.080 --> 00:41:42.290
THE FORGIVENESS WAS NOT FOR
00:41:42.290 --> 00:41:43.190
HIM; THE FORGIVENESS WAS FOR
00:41:43.190 --> 00:41:44.090
ME.
00:41:44.090 --> 00:41:45.060
HE SAID: NO WONDER--
00:41:45.060 --> 00:41:46.110
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:41:46.110 --> 00:41:47.030
HE SAID--
00:41:47.030 --> 00:41:47.200
- JASON: YEAH.
00:41:47.200 --> 00:41:49.000
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:50.150
- DARRYL: HE EXPLAINED TO
00:41:50.150 --> 00:41:51.150
ME...
00:41:51.150 --> 00:41:54.080
- JASON: THAT'S IT.
00:41:54.080 --> 00:41:55.190
- DARRYL: HE EXPLAINED TO ME
00:41:55.190 --> 00:41:56.100
IN THAT SITUATION, HE SAYS:
00:41:56.100 --> 00:41:57.000
THIS IS WHY YOU WERE NEVER
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:57.190
FREE.
00:41:58.010 --> 00:42:01.030
BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T LET
00:42:01.030 --> 00:42:01.210
HIM GO.
00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:02.010
WHEN I LET HIM GO -- I RELEASED
00:42:02.010 --> 00:42:02.250
HIM AND GAVE HIM BACK TO THE
00:42:02.250 --> 00:42:04.100
LORD -- I WAS IMMEDIATELY FREE.
00:42:04.100 --> 00:42:06.210
- CLIFTON: MMH!
00:42:06.210 --> 00:42:07.220
- DARRYL: IT WAS A WHOLE
00:42:07.220 --> 00:42:08.170
DIFFERENT-- IT WAS A WHOLE
00:42:08.170 --> 00:42:10.140
DIFFERENT WALK,
00:42:10.140 --> 00:42:11.090
WHOLE DIFFERENT LIFE.
00:42:11.090 --> 00:42:11.260
I HAD NO MORE ANXIETY INSIDE OF
00:42:11.260 --> 00:42:12.180
ME TOWARDS HIM.
00:42:12.180 --> 00:42:13.170
AND I JUST-- I LED HIM TO THE
00:42:13.170 --> 00:42:14.230
LORD AND HE PASSED AWAY LIKE
00:42:14.230 --> 00:42:16.210
FOUR MONTHS LATER.
00:42:16.210 --> 00:42:19.070
BUT...THERE IT WAS.
00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:20.010
GOD USED ME TO LEAD MY ENTIRE
00:42:20.010 --> 00:42:21.030
FAMILY AND MY FATHER TO HIM.
00:42:21.120 --> 00:42:24.120
- CLIFTON: ISN'T THAT
00:42:24.120 --> 00:42:25.040
SOMETHING?
00:42:25.040 --> 00:42:25.170
- JASON: AMAZING.
00:42:25.170 --> 00:42:26.020
- DARRYL: YEAH, YEAH, SO...
00:42:26.020 --> 00:42:27.050
- CLIFTON: WHAT A BLESSING.
00:42:27.050 --> 00:42:27.250
[APPLAUSE]
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.000
THAT-- THAT IS...
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.130
WHY-- WHY, DARRYL...WHY IS
00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:36.290
FORGIVENESS SO IMPORTANT?
00:42:36.290 --> 00:42:38.150
- DARRYL: WELL, I THINK
00:42:38.150 --> 00:42:40.160
BECAUSE-- I UNDERSTAND IT, NOW.
00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:42.070
I THINK IT'S A RELIEF FOR
00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:43.120
YOURSELF.
00:42:43.120 --> 00:42:44.250
'CAUSE WE THINK WE'RE HOLDIN'
00:42:44.250 --> 00:42:46.150
SOME--
00:42:46.150 --> 00:42:47.040
WE'RE HOLDIN' SOMEBODY ELSE
00:42:47.040 --> 00:42:48.140
HOSTAGE AND WE'RE GIVING THEM
00:42:48.140 --> 00:42:49.050
SPACE IN OUR HEAD.
00:42:49.050 --> 00:42:50.170
- CLIFTON: MMH!
00:42:50.170 --> 00:42:51.080
[LAUGHS]
00:42:51.080 --> 00:42:52.190
- JASON: THEN, EVERYONE'S IN
00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:53.100
HOSTAGE.
00:42:53.100 --> 00:42:53.200
EVERYONE'S HOSTAGE.
00:42:53.200 --> 00:42:54.060
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:42:54.060 --> 00:42:54.200
- CLIFTON: MAKES US THE
00:42:54.200 --> 00:42:55.080
HOSTAGE.
00:42:55.080 --> 00:42:55.230
- DARRYL: IT MAKES US THE
00:42:55.230 --> 00:42:56.130
HOSTAGE.
00:42:56.130 --> 00:42:56.230
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVING--
00:42:56.230 --> 00:42:57.180
- JASON: WE'RE THE PRISONER,
00:42:57.180 --> 00:42:58.090
INSIDE.
00:42:58.090 --> 00:42:58.190
BECAUSE WE'RE GIVIN' 'EM TOO
00:42:58.190 --> 00:42:59.200
MUCH SPACE IN OUR HEAD, YOU
00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:00.170
KNOW?
00:43:00.170 --> 00:43:01.020
AND I JUST REMEMBERED, UH--
00:43:01.020 --> 00:43:02.280
REMEMBERED THAT NEVER TO--
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.120
NEVER TO HOLD ANYONE ANYMORE.
00:43:04.120 --> 00:43:06.210
IT'S JUST TO GO AHEAD AND
00:43:06.210 --> 00:43:08.010
FORGIVE 'EM.
00:43:08.010 --> 00:43:08.180
IT'S BETTER TO RELEASE THAT,
00:43:08.180 --> 00:43:09.180
YOU KNOW.
00:43:09.180 --> 00:43:10.110
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:11.140
- DARRYL: BECAUSE WE REALLY
00:43:11.140 --> 00:43:12.230
CAN'T GET WHERE GOD WANTS US TO
00:43:12.230 --> 00:43:13.180
GET.
00:43:13.180 --> 00:43:14.030
I MEAN, 'CAUSE GOD IS NOT GONNA
00:43:14.030 --> 00:43:16.150
USE A HEART THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
00:43:16.150 --> 00:43:17.150
YOU KNOW?
00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:18.200
HE'S ONLY LOOKIN' FOR THE HEART
00:43:18.200 --> 00:43:21.110
THAT'S GONNA GET RIGHT.
00:43:21.110 --> 00:43:22.210
A LOT OF 'EM THINK: WELL, YOU
00:43:22.210 --> 00:43:23.280
KNOW, I'M GETTIN' AWAY WITH
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.010
SOMETHIN'.
00:43:25.010 --> 00:43:25.130
YOU'RE NOT GETTIN' AWAY WITH
00:43:25.130 --> 00:43:26.030
NOTHIN' WITH GOD...YOU KNOW?
00:43:26.030 --> 00:43:27.130
- JASON: THAT'S RIGHT.
00:43:27.130 --> 00:43:28.080
- DARRYL: 'CAUSE WHEN YOU
00:43:28.080 --> 00:43:28.270
THINK ABOUT THAT WOMAN AT THE
00:43:28.270 --> 00:43:29.200
WELL, SHE THOUGHT: IF GOD--
00:43:29.200 --> 00:43:30.210
JESUS TOLD HER ABOUT HER FIVE
00:43:30.210 --> 00:43:31.190
HUSBANDS, SAID "THE ONE YOU'RE
00:43:31.190 --> 00:43:33.090
LIVING WITH NOW."
00:43:33.090 --> 00:43:33.240
THERE'S NO SECRETS WITH GOD.
00:43:33.240 --> 00:43:34.140
- JASON: THAT'S RIGHT.
00:43:34.140 --> 00:43:35.030
- DARRYL: HE SEES IT ALL, HE
00:43:35.030 --> 00:43:35.240
SEES IT ALL, YOU KNOW?
00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:36.260
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:43:36.260 --> 00:43:38.010
- DARRYL: AND SO MANY OF 'EM
00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:38.280
BE THINKIN', "WE GETTIN' AWAY
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:39.250
WITH SOMETHIN'."
00:43:39.250 --> 00:43:40.110
AND I REMEMBER GOD SAYIN': IF
00:43:40.110 --> 00:43:41.170
YOU DON'T LEARN TO RELEASE
00:43:41.170 --> 00:43:43.020
PEOPLE, YOU COULD NEVER DO WHAT
00:43:43.020 --> 00:43:44.260
I'VE CALLED YOU TO DO.
00:43:44.260 --> 00:43:47.110
- JASON: YEAH.
00:43:47.110 --> 00:43:47.270
- DARRYL: YOU KNOW?
00:43:47.270 --> 00:43:49.190
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:43:49.190 --> 00:43:50.040
- DARRYL: IN SUCH A BIG WAY,
00:43:50.040 --> 00:43:50.250
YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
00:43:50.250 --> 00:43:51.260
BECAUSE, YOUR HEART IS NOT
00:43:51.260 --> 00:43:54.060
RIGHT, YOU KNOW?
00:43:54.060 --> 00:43:55.230
YOU GOTTA GET THAT OUTTA YOUR
00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:56.140
- CLIFTON: I WAS WRONGED BY
00:43:58.040 --> 00:43:58.250
SOMEBODY AND I THOUGHT: I WILL
00:43:58.250 --> 00:44:00.100
NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR WHAT
00:44:00.100 --> 00:44:01.020
THEY DID.
00:44:01.020 --> 00:44:01.270
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:44:01.270 --> 00:44:03.050
- CLIFTON: AND THE SPIRIT
00:44:03.050 --> 00:44:04.170
MOVED ON ME,
00:44:04.170 --> 00:44:05.240
LIKE HE SPOKE INTO YOUR LIFE,
00:44:05.240 --> 00:44:07.120
AND TOLD ME: YOU HAVE TO
00:44:07.120 --> 00:44:08.170
HAVEN'T I FORGIVEN YOU SO MUCH?
00:44:11.150 --> 00:44:12.140
- DARRYL: MMH.
00:44:12.140 --> 00:44:13.020
- CLIFTON: IN FACT, I'M ABOUT
00:44:13.020 --> 00:44:14.090
TO FORGIVE YOU AGAIN FOR TODAY.
00:44:14.090 --> 00:44:15.130
- JASON: EXACTLY.
00:44:15.130 --> 00:44:16.050
[DARRYL LAUGHS]
00:44:16.050 --> 00:44:17.070
- DARRYL: AMEN.
00:44:17.070 --> 00:44:18.000
- CLIFTON: AND SO, I LAID IT
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.180
BEFORE THE LORD, AND, UH, I
00:44:20.180 --> 00:44:22.080
FORGAVE THAT PERSON.
00:44:22.080 --> 00:44:24.210
AND I FEEL BETTER, YOU KNOW?
00:44:24.210 --> 00:44:26.240
I LOOK YOUNGER.
00:44:26.240 --> 00:44:27.080
YOU KNOW?
00:44:27.080 --> 00:44:28.240
I'M HEALTHIER.
00:44:28.240 --> 00:44:30.010
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:44:30.010 --> 00:44:31.090
- CLIFTON: YOU KNOW, YOU'RE
00:44:31.090 --> 00:44:32.140
JUST-- YOUR GENERAL HEALTH IS
00:44:32.140 --> 00:44:33.150
BETTER WHEN YOU FORGIVE PEOPLE.
00:44:33.150 --> 00:44:34.250
SOMEBODY SAY AMEN.
00:44:34.250 --> 00:44:35.120
- JASON: AMEN.
00:44:35.120 --> 00:44:36.030
- DARRYL: AMEN.
00:44:36.030 --> 00:44:37.180
- CLIFTON: DO YOU AGREE WITH
00:44:37.180 --> 00:44:38.090
THAT, JASON?
00:44:38.090 --> 00:44:39.010
- JASON: I DO.
00:44:39.010 --> 00:44:39.150
AND I ALSO REALIZE, TOO, WHEN
00:44:39.150 --> 00:44:40.260
WE FORGIVE-- I WANT PEOPLE TO--
00:44:40.260 --> 00:44:42.160
'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME UP
00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:44.230
TO ME AND SAY, "WHEN I FORGAVE,
00:44:44.230 --> 00:44:46.120
IT'S LIKE I'M LETTING THEM OFF
00:44:46.120 --> 00:44:47.030
THE HOOK."
00:44:47.030 --> 00:44:47.140
YOU'RE NOT LETTING THE PERSON
00:44:47.140 --> 00:44:48.120
WHO YOU FORGIVE-- WHO DID THE
00:44:48.120 --> 00:44:50.170
DAMAGE OFF THE HOOK...WHEN WE
00:44:50.170 --> 00:44:51.280
FORGIVE.
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.110
I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT DARRYL
00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:53.050
SAID: IT'S ABOUT US.
00:44:53.050 --> 00:44:54.110
IT'S ABOUT US BEING FREE.
00:44:54.110 --> 00:44:55.240
THERE'S A GREAT QUOTE THAT SAYS
00:44:55.240 --> 00:44:57.090
TO FORGIVE IS TO SET A PRISONER
00:44:57.090 --> 00:44:58.220
FREE AND DISCOVER THE
00:44:58.220 --> 00:45:00.030
PRISONER...IS ME.
00:45:00.030 --> 00:45:01.150
[DARRYL LAUGHS]
00:45:01.150 --> 00:45:03.210
- CLIFTON: HAHA!
00:45:03.210 --> 00:45:04.110
YOU BETTER SAY IT.
00:45:04.110 --> 00:45:04.260
[APPLAUSE]
00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:05.070
- JASON: THAT'S IT.
00:45:05.070 --> 00:45:05.230
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:45:05.230 --> 00:45:06.070
[APPLAUSE]
00:45:06.070 --> 00:45:07.010
[CLIFTON LAUGHS]
00:45:07.010 --> 00:45:07.180
- CLIFTON: THAT WAS GOOD, MAN.
00:45:07.180 --> 00:45:08.260
- DARRYL: THAT'S GOOD.
00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:09.140
IT'S GOOD!
00:45:09.140 --> 00:45:09.290
IT'S GOOD!
00:45:09.290 --> 00:45:10.100
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:45:10.100 --> 00:45:10.290
- JASON: IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING
00:45:10.290 --> 00:45:11.200
A PRISONER.
00:45:11.200 --> 00:45:12.030
- CLIFTON: TO FORGIVE IS TO
00:45:12.030 --> 00:45:12.230
SET A PRISONER FREE...
00:45:12.230 --> 00:45:13.100
AND THE PRISONER IS ME.
00:45:13.100 --> 00:45:13.280
OHHHH, YEAH.
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.050
I'M NOT GONNA FORGET THAT ONE.
00:45:16.050 --> 00:45:17.150
- JASON: YOU OUGHT TO STEAL
00:45:17.150 --> 00:45:18.050
THAT ONE.
00:45:18.050 --> 00:45:18.160
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:19.080
[LAUGHTER]
00:45:19.080 --> 00:45:19.270
SEE, THE ACTOR IN ME IS
00:45:19.270 --> 00:45:20.150
REMEMBERING THE LINE.
00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:21.190
- DARRYL: I KNOW.
00:45:21.190 --> 00:45:22.040
[LAUGHTER]
00:45:22.040 --> 00:45:22.260
THAT'S GOOD.
00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:23.090
IT'S A GOOD MEMORY.
00:45:23.090 --> 00:45:24.080
- JASON: THAT'S GOOD.
00:45:24.080 --> 00:45:24.250
- CLIFTON: AH...IT'S A
00:45:24.250 --> 00:45:25.130
WONDERFUL THING.
00:45:25.130 --> 00:45:26.140
WELL, NOW, AH...WE TALKED ABOUT
00:45:26.140 --> 00:45:28.000
HOW IT BRINGS HEALING INTO YOUR
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.140
LIFE, BUT, AH, HOW DO WE
00:45:29.140 --> 00:45:30.220
OVERCOME THE BITTERNESS.
00:45:30.220 --> 00:45:33.070
- JASON: MMH...
00:45:33.070 --> 00:45:34.080
- CLIFTON: YOU KNOW, WE GET
00:45:34.080 --> 00:45:35.020
INTO THE...INTO THE WEEDS HERE
00:45:35.020 --> 00:45:36.100
A LITTLE BIT.
00:45:36.100 --> 00:45:36.270
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SO
00:45:36.270 --> 00:45:38.180
BITTER, THEY MAY IN POINT-- IN
00:45:38.200 --> 00:45:41.200
PRINCIPLE FORGIVE SOMEONE, BUT
00:45:41.200 --> 00:45:44.030
THEY CAN'T SEEM TO LET GO OF
00:45:44.030 --> 00:45:47.000
THAT BITTERNESS WITHIN THEM.
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:47.260
- DARRYL: WELL--
00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:49.000
- CLIFTON: IT'S BEYOND...IT'S
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:50.130
BEYOND THE PERSON WHO WRONGED
00:45:50.130 --> 00:45:52.040
THEM.
00:45:52.040 --> 00:45:53.030
- JASON: YEAH.
00:45:53.030 --> 00:45:54.100
- CLIFTON: IT'S NOW A DISEASE
00:45:54.100 --> 00:45:55.190
INSIDE OF THEM.
00:45:55.190 --> 00:45:56.240
- DARRYL: YEAH.
00:45:56.240 --> 00:45:57.260
- CLIFTON: HOW DO THEY DEAL
00:45:57.260 --> 00:45:58.160
WITH THAT?
00:45:58.160 --> 00:45:59.060
- DARRYL: BUT YOU GOTTA-- WE
00:45:59.060 --> 00:46:00.070
GOTTA ALWAYS REMEMBER, YOU
00:46:00.070 --> 00:46:01.140
KNOW...JESUS CAME HERE FOR THE
00:46:01.140 --> 00:46:03.190
SICK.
00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:04.160
AND WE ALL SICK.
00:46:04.160 --> 00:46:06.290
YOU KNOW?
00:46:06.290 --> 00:46:08.020
AND IF WE CAN ADMIT TO THAT --
00:46:08.020 --> 00:46:09.160
BEING SICK INSIDE AND NEED TO
00:46:09.160 --> 00:46:11.030
BE HEALED -- UH, THEN WE'RE
00:46:11.030 --> 00:46:13.010
ABLE TO GET HEALED, THEN YOU'RE
00:46:13.010 --> 00:46:14.230
ABLE TO GET A REAL HEALING.
00:46:14.230 --> 00:46:15.130
'CAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT
00:46:15.130 --> 00:46:16.240
OF...THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
00:46:16.240 --> 00:46:18.120
THAT I DIDN'T WANNA FORGIVE,
00:46:18.120 --> 00:46:20.080
YOU KNOW?
00:46:20.080 --> 00:46:21.050
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT
00:46:21.050 --> 00:46:22.090
HAPPENED IN MY CAREER,
00:46:22.090 --> 00:46:22.270
BASEBALL, PEOPLE HAD DONE
00:46:22.270 --> 00:46:24.070
ME WRONG, AGENTS...STOLE
00:46:24.070 --> 00:46:25.240
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND...AND
00:46:25.240 --> 00:46:27.000
THE LORD SPOKE TO ME CLEAR ONE
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:27.260
DAY.
00:46:27.260 --> 00:46:28.120
HE SAYS: IF YOU EVER WANNA...BE
00:46:28.120 --> 00:46:30.020
ON THE PLATFORM FOR ME, YOU'RE
00:46:30.110 --> 00:46:33.110
GONNA HAVE TO...GET RID OF ALL
00:46:33.110 --> 00:46:34.280
THAT BITTERNESS AND
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:35.250
THAT...HATRED THAT YOU HAVE IN
00:46:36.050 --> 00:46:39.050
YOUR HEART.
00:46:39.050 --> 00:46:39.280
- CLIFTON: MM-HMM.
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:40.180
- JASON: YEAH.
00:46:40.180 --> 00:46:41.290
- DARRYL: AND...AND THAT TAKES
00:46:41.290 --> 00:46:42.210
TIME, THROUGH THE WORD OF
00:46:42.210 --> 00:46:44.010
GOD -- STUDYING THE WORD OF
00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:45.270
GOD...YOU KNOW?
00:46:45.270 --> 00:46:47.040
AND I THINK THAT IF YOU STUDY
00:46:47.040 --> 00:46:49.030
THE WORD OF GOD, IT COMES ALIVE
00:46:49.030 --> 00:46:50.130
TO YOU AND IT TEACHES YOU
00:46:50.130 --> 00:46:52.180
EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU.
00:46:52.180 --> 00:46:55.170
AND, THAT'S WHAT THAT
00:46:55.170 --> 00:46:56.040
EPHESIANS 3:20 TALKS ABOUT.
00:46:56.040 --> 00:46:57.010
"NOW, UNTO HIM WHO IS ABLE TO
00:46:57.010 --> 00:46:58.190
DO EXCEEDINGLY..."
00:46:58.190 --> 00:47:01.160
- JASON: AND ABUNDANTLY, YEAH.
00:47:01.160 --> 00:47:04.010
- DARRYL: YOU KNOW?
00:47:04.010 --> 00:47:05.000
"...AND ABUNDANTLY MORE."
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:05.190
YOU KNOW?
00:47:05.190 --> 00:47:06.020
SEE, IT'S-- BUT, SEE,
00:47:06.020 --> 00:47:07.120
'CAUSE...IF YOU GET RID OF THE
00:47:07.120 --> 00:47:09.130
BITTERNESS AND WHATEVER YOU GOT
00:47:09.130 --> 00:47:11.010
INSIDE OF YOU, GOD'S GONNA DO
00:47:11.010 --> 00:47:12.210
HIS EXCEEDINGLY INSIDE OF YOU
00:47:12.210 --> 00:47:15.180
THAT NO MAN COULD EVER SAY HE
00:47:15.180 --> 00:47:17.050
GAVE TO YOU.
00:47:17.050 --> 00:47:18.170
- CLIFTON: MMH-MMH-MMH.
00:47:18.170 --> 00:47:19.050
[APPLAUSE]
00:47:19.050 --> 00:47:20.020
- DARRYL: AND YOU-- AND YOU
00:47:20.020 --> 00:47:20.280
DON'T HAVE TO BE BITTER WITH
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:21.180
'EM.
00:47:21.180 --> 00:47:23.050
I MEAN -- HEY, WHAT'D HE SAY?
00:47:23.050 --> 00:47:23.260
HE WILL PREPARE A TABLE...
00:47:23.290 --> 00:47:26.290
- CLIFTON: ...BEFORE YOU, IN
00:47:26.290 --> 00:47:28.220
THE PRESENCE OF YOUR ENEMIES.
00:47:28.220 --> 00:47:30.190
- DARRYL: ...BEFORE YOU, IN
00:47:30.190 --> 00:47:31.170
THE PRESENCE OF YOUR ENEMIES.
00:47:31.170 --> 00:47:33.120
HE HAS PREPARED A TABLE IN
00:47:33.120 --> 00:47:34.290
FRONT OF ALL THOSE THAT WAS
00:47:34.290 --> 00:47:36.090
LAUGHIN' ABOUT ME AND THOUGHT I
00:47:36.090 --> 00:47:37.250
WAS DONE AND DID ME WRONG.
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.280
AND ONCE I GOT THAT BITTERNESS
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:41.240
OUTSIDE OF ME AND WALKED AWAY
00:47:41.240 --> 00:47:43.120
FROM IT, AND GAVE IT BACK, AND
00:47:43.120 --> 00:47:45.130
LAID IT DOWN...
00:47:45.130 --> 00:47:47.290
THEY TALK ABOUT GO TO THE
00:47:47.290 --> 00:47:48.180
ALTAR.
00:47:48.180 --> 00:47:49.010
SOME OF YOU NEED
00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:49.150
TO GO TO THE ALTAR AND
00:47:49.150 --> 00:47:50.060
LAY YOUR BURDENS DOWN?
00:47:50.060 --> 00:47:51.030
AND YOU NEED TO REALLY LAY 'EM
00:47:51.030 --> 00:47:52.000
DOWN.
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:52.180
YOU CAN'T KEEP PICKIN' 'EM BACK
00:47:52.180 --> 00:47:53.290
UP, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU'RE
00:47:53.290 --> 00:47:55.040
NEVER GOING TO GET ANYWHERE
00:47:55.040 --> 00:47:57.200
WITH GOD IF YOU KEEP PICKIN'
00:47:57.200 --> 00:47:58.100
THOSE BURDENS BACK UP.
00:47:58.100 --> 00:47:59.110
YOU NEED TO THAT ALTAR AND LAY
00:47:59.110 --> 00:48:00.040
'EM DOWN.
00:48:00.040 --> 00:48:00.150
'CAUSE, SEE, HE-- WHATEVER--
00:48:00.150 --> 00:48:02.120
WHATEVER'S KILLIN' US, JESUS
00:48:02.120 --> 00:48:03.200
ALREADY KILLED IT.
00:48:03.200 --> 00:48:04.250
SO MANY OF 'EM STAND STUCK IN
00:48:04.250 --> 00:48:07.000
THAT PLACE INSIDE BECAUSE WE
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.080
JUST WON'T LAY IT DOWN.
00:48:09.080 --> 00:48:11.250
WE WON'T LAY IT DOWN AT THE
00:48:11.250 --> 00:48:12.190
ALTAR.
00:48:12.190 --> 00:48:13.160
SEE, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT
00:48:13.160 --> 00:48:14.250
OF TIME FOR FOOLISHNESS NO
00:48:14.250 --> 00:48:15.140
MORE.
00:48:15.140 --> 00:48:16.010
BECAUSE I LIVED IN FOOLISHNESS
00:48:16.010 --> 00:48:17.170
PLAYIN' BASEBALL FOR 17 YEARS,
00:48:17.170 --> 00:48:18.270
AND WINNIN' CHAMPIONSHIPS, AND
00:48:18.270 --> 00:48:20.070
LIVIN' A LIFE THAT WAS A LIE.
00:48:20.070 --> 00:48:22.020
I REALLY DON'T HAVE TIME.
00:48:22.020 --> 00:48:23.110
IT'S SUCH AN URGENCY WITH GOD,
00:48:23.110 --> 00:48:24.160
NOW.
00:48:24.160 --> 00:48:25.010
IF YOU'RE NOT IN HIS PLAN, THEN
00:48:25.010 --> 00:48:26.090
I DON'T KNOW WHAT PLAN YOU'RE
00:48:26.090 --> 00:48:27.000
IN...YOU KNOW?
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:28.100
YOU KNOW, IT'S NO OTHER PLAN
00:48:28.100 --> 00:48:29.250
THAT'S-- JESUS HAS GOT THE
00:48:29.250 --> 00:48:31.030
GREATEST PLAN FOR ALL OUR
00:48:31.030 --> 00:48:31.270
LIVES.
00:48:31.270 --> 00:48:33.270
IT'S JUST UP TO US AS PEOPLE.
00:48:33.270 --> 00:48:35.020
YOU KNOW, HE'S TELLIN' THE
00:48:35.020 --> 00:48:36.160
PEOPLE: COME, STOP, TURN.
00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:37.260
DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT ANYBODY
00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:39.020
ELSE IS SAYIN' ABOUT YOU.
00:48:39.020 --> 00:48:40.020
LET THEM GO.
00:48:40.020 --> 00:48:40.270
LET THEM BE FREE SO YOU CAN BE
00:48:40.270 --> 00:48:42.150
FREE SO I CAN USE THAT VESSEL.
00:48:42.150 --> 00:48:44.040
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:48:44.040 --> 00:48:45.090
- DARRYL: SEE, 'CAUSE THAT'S A
00:48:45.090 --> 00:48:46.010
VESSEL HE WANTS TO USE.
00:48:46.010 --> 00:48:47.110
BUT HE CAN ONLY USE THAT VESSEL
00:48:47.110 --> 00:48:49.030
IF THAT VESSEL'S BEEN CLEANED
00:48:49.030 --> 00:48:50.120
OUT, YOUR PERSON CLEANSED OUT.
00:48:50.220 --> 00:48:53.220
YOU KNOW?
00:48:53.220 --> 00:48:54.090
- CLIFTON: YES.
00:48:54.090 --> 00:48:54.250
- DARRYL: AND SO, BITTERNESS
00:48:54.250 --> 00:48:55.160
IS NO LONGER-- SHOULD BE NO
00:48:55.160 --> 00:48:56.060
LONGER PART OF YOUR WALK.
00:48:56.060 --> 00:48:57.200
JUST LIKE THE FORGIVENESS PART,
00:48:57.200 --> 00:48:58.230
YOU'VE GOTTA GET RID OF IT TO
00:48:58.230 --> 00:49:01.000
BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT VESSEL TO
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:02.230
BE CLEAN SO HE CAN POUR HIS
00:49:02.230 --> 00:49:05.020
SPIRIT INTO YOU, SO IT CAN
00:49:05.020 --> 00:49:05.210
DWELL IN YOU AND YOU CAN GO OUT
00:49:05.210 --> 00:49:07.100
AND YOU CAN WIN THE LOST.
00:49:07.100 --> 00:49:10.100
- JASON: THAT'S IT.
00:49:10.100 --> 00:49:10.260
- CLIFTON: PRAISE GOD...PRAISE
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:11.180
GOD.
00:49:11.180 --> 00:49:13.260
TALK ABOUT YOUR MINISTRY.
00:49:13.260 --> 00:49:14.150
HOW IS IT GOING AND WHERE DO
00:49:14.150 --> 00:49:16.070
YOU SEE IT GOING IN THE FUTURE?
00:49:16.070 --> 00:49:17.160
- DARRYL: WELL, IT'S
00:49:17.160 --> 00:49:18.140
INCREDIBLE.
00:49:18.140 --> 00:49:18.280
THE LORD HAS DONE SOME
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.030
INCREDIBLE THINGS.
00:49:20.030 --> 00:49:22.160
HE'S SENT ME ALL OVER THE
00:49:22.160 --> 00:49:23.050
PLACE.
00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:23.240
I TRAVEL AND I DO MEN'S
00:49:23.240 --> 00:49:25.080
MINISTRY, PREACHIN'
00:49:25.080 --> 00:49:27.020
IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS, NOW --
00:49:27.020 --> 00:49:28.290
NOT QUALIFIED, 'CAUSE I DON'T
00:49:28.290 --> 00:49:30.150
HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED 'CAUSE HE
00:49:30.150 --> 00:49:31.070
QUALIFIES THE CALL.
00:49:31.070 --> 00:49:32.120
- JASON: THAT'S IT.
00:49:32.120 --> 00:49:33.140
- DARRYL: YOU KNOW?
00:49:33.140 --> 00:49:36.050
THAT'S WHAT THAT 1 JOHN 4:4
00:49:36.050 --> 00:49:37.120
TALKS ABOUT: "...GREATER IS HE
00:49:37.120 --> 00:49:39.200
THAT'S IN ME THAN HE THAT'S IN
00:49:39.200 --> 00:49:40.120
THE WORLD."
00:49:40.120 --> 00:49:41.040
IT'S POWER IN THE SCRIPTURES
00:49:41.040 --> 00:49:42.070
AND I THINK WE DON'T USE IT
00:49:42.070 --> 00:49:43.270
ENOUGH FOR THE MINISTRY SO GOD
00:49:43.270 --> 00:49:45.200
CAN DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
00:49:45.200 --> 00:49:47.010
WE'RE TRYIN' TO BRAND OURSELF
00:49:47.010 --> 00:49:48.280
AND MAKE OURSELF A BRAND.
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.000
BUT JESUS IS THE BRAND.
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:52.100
SEE, MY MINISTRY-- MY MINISTRY
00:49:52.100 --> 00:49:53.290
IS NOT ABOUT ME; MY MINISTRY'S
00:49:53.290 --> 00:49:55.030
ABOUT JESUS.
00:49:55.030 --> 00:49:55.180
- CLIFTON: YEAH, YEAH.
00:49:55.180 --> 00:49:56.100
- DARRYL: SEE, I DON'T BRAND
00:49:56.100 --> 00:49:57.090
DARRYL STRAWBERRY.
00:49:57.090 --> 00:49:58.080
WHO IS THAT?
00:49:58.080 --> 00:49:58.260
HE WAS A OL' BROKEN SOUL, OL'
00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:00.180
SINNER, OL' HEATHEN THAT WAS
00:50:00.180 --> 00:50:02.080
LOST, THAT WAS REJECTED, THAT
00:50:02.080 --> 00:50:03.280
WAS REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD OF
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.140
THE LAMB.
00:50:05.140 --> 00:50:06.000
- CLIFTON: HELLO!
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:06.250
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:50:06.250 --> 00:50:07.290
YES, SIR!
00:50:07.290 --> 00:50:08.140
YES, SIR!
00:50:08.140 --> 00:50:09.050
- DARRYL: THAT'S WHERE THE
00:50:09.050 --> 00:50:09.250
POWER IS.
00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:10.200
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:50:10.200 --> 00:50:11.270
- JASON: THAT'S IT.
00:50:11.270 --> 00:50:13.270
[APPLAUSE]
00:50:13.270 --> 00:50:15.120
- DARRYL: IT'S REALLY NOT
00:50:15.120 --> 00:50:17.210
ABOUT MY MINISTRY;
00:50:17.210 --> 00:50:18.070
IT'S JESUS' MINISTRY.
00:50:18.070 --> 00:50:18.270
YOU KNOW?
00:50:18.270 --> 00:50:19.270
AND I WANNA KEEP IT THAT WAY.
00:50:19.270 --> 00:50:21.020
- CLIFTON: THAT'S WONDERFUL.
00:50:21.020 --> 00:50:23.030
JASON--
00:50:23.030 --> 00:50:23.210
- JASON: I CAN ATTEST.
00:50:23.210 --> 00:50:24.090
I MEAN, I WAS AT A CONFERENCE
00:50:24.090 --> 00:50:25.210
WITH HIM IN WISCONSIN A COUPLE
00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:26.140
MONTHS AGO, CAME OUT AND SAW
00:50:26.140 --> 00:50:27.250
HIM A COUPLE YEARS AGO UP IN
00:50:27.250 --> 00:50:29.180
CONNECTICUT WHERE I LIVE.
00:50:29.180 --> 00:50:30.250
THIS GUY'S PREACHING JESUS.
00:50:30.250 --> 00:50:32.050
HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT
00:50:32.050 --> 00:50:33.150
BASEBALL.
00:50:33.150 --> 00:50:35.050
IN FACT, THE FIRST CONVERSATION
00:50:35.050 --> 00:50:36.080
I EVER HAD WITH HIM WAS ABOUT
00:50:36.080 --> 00:50:36.290
JESUS.
00:50:36.290 --> 00:50:37.270
I'M LIKE, "I WANNA TALK ABOUT
00:50:37.270 --> 00:50:38.180
THE 1986 METS."
00:50:38.180 --> 00:50:39.250
[LAUGHTER]
00:50:39.250 --> 00:50:41.200
HE'S LIKE, "NO, WE'RE GONNA
00:50:41.200 --> 00:50:42.160
TALK ABOUT JESUS."
00:50:42.160 --> 00:50:43.020
I SAID: "OKAY!
00:50:43.020 --> 00:50:43.150
LET'S TALK ABOUT JESUS."
00:50:43.150 --> 00:50:44.290
[CLIFTON LAUGHS]
00:50:44.290 --> 00:50:45.160
SO, I CAN ATTEST.
00:50:45.160 --> 00:50:46.050
[DARRYL LAUGHS]
00:50:46.050 --> 00:50:47.020
THIS GUY'S DOIN' GREAT THINGS
00:50:47.020 --> 00:50:48.070
FOR THE LORD.
00:50:48.070 --> 00:50:49.100
- CLIFTON: THAT'S WONDERFUL.
00:50:49.100 --> 00:50:50.010
HOW DOES FAITH COME INTO PLAY
00:50:50.010 --> 00:50:51.290
IN YOUR LIFE, DEALING WITH
00:50:51.290 --> 00:50:53.080
ANGER AND RESENTMENT, SO THAT
00:50:53.080 --> 00:50:56.000
YOU CAN ARRIVE AT A PLACE OF
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.280
FORGIVENESS?
00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:58.260
- JASON: IT'S-IT'S EVERYTHING.
00:50:58.260 --> 00:51:01.010
I MEAN, WHEN CHRIST CAME INTO
00:51:01.010 --> 00:51:02.150
MY LIFE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE
00:51:02.150 --> 00:51:04.040
YOU KNOW, I HAD A GOOD JOB, WE
00:51:07.080 --> 00:51:09.020
HAD JUST BOUGHT OUR FIRST
00:51:09.020 --> 00:51:09.210
HOUSE, GOT MARRIED TO A
00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:11.030
BEAUTIFUL WOMAN -- EVERYTHING'S
00:51:11.030 --> 00:51:11.250
GREAT!
00:51:11.250 --> 00:51:13.070
BUT I REALIZED INSIDE: I GOT A
00:51:13.070 --> 00:51:14.220
LOTTA WORK TO DO.
00:51:14.220 --> 00:51:15.140
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:51:15.140 --> 00:51:16.240
- JASON: AND I NEEDED SOMETHIN'
00:51:16.240 --> 00:51:18.160
TO COME IN.
00:51:18.160 --> 00:51:19.090
AND IT WAS AN EMPTINESS IN
00:51:19.090 --> 00:51:19.280
THERE.
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.070
AND, CHRIST CAME AND IT WAS A
00:51:21.070 --> 00:51:21.280
PROCESS.
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:22.110
IT WASN'T THIS INSTANTANEOUS
00:51:25.080 --> 00:51:25.280
JUST, YOU KNOW, MOMENT.
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:26.250
AND IT'S BEEN A PROCESS.
00:51:26.250 --> 00:51:28.090
IT'S BEEN 18 YEARS, NOW, AND
00:51:28.090 --> 00:51:29.120
IT'S BEEN A WALK, A JOURNEY
00:51:29.120 --> 00:51:30.190
WITH THE LORD.
00:51:30.190 --> 00:51:32.070
UH, BUT FAITH PLAYS A ROLE IN
00:51:32.070 --> 00:51:33.250
EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE.
00:51:33.250 --> 00:51:36.080
I ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
00:51:36.080 --> 00:51:37.190
WANT JESUS JUST TO BE A PIECE
00:51:37.190 --> 00:51:39.050
OF MY LIFE; I WANT HIM TO BE
00:51:39.050 --> 00:51:40.060
THE CENTERPIECE OF ALL THAT I
00:51:40.060 --> 00:51:43.050
HAVE IN MY LIFE.
00:51:43.050 --> 00:51:43.220
- CLIFTON: MMH...
00:51:43.220 --> 00:51:44.120
[APPLAUSE]
00:51:44.120 --> 00:51:45.010
- JASON: I REALLY DO.
00:51:45.010 --> 00:51:45.180
- CLIFTON: YEAH.
00:51:45.180 --> 00:51:46.110
- DARRYL: YEAH, YEAH.
00:51:46.110 --> 00:51:47.040
- JASON: AND...
00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:47.230
- DARRYL: GOOD.
00:51:47.230 --> 00:51:48.160
[JASON LAUGHS]
00:51:48.160 --> 00:51:49.000
- JASON: THAT'S IT.
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:49.210
[APPLAUSE]
00:51:49.210 --> 00:51:50.070
AND SO, FAITH PLAYS A ROLE IN
00:51:50.070 --> 00:51:51.140
ALL OF THAT -- AND ESPECIALLY
00:51:51.140 --> 00:51:52.200
MOVING FORWARD IN FORGIVENESS.
00:51:52.200 --> 00:51:54.080
YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS ANOTHER
00:51:54.080 --> 00:51:55.230
THING THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO
00:51:55.230 --> 00:51:56.230
ME AS I WALKED THROUGH THIS
00:51:56.230 --> 00:51:58.100
PROCESS OF FORGIVENESS WAS THIS
00:51:58.100 --> 00:52:00.020
WORD "EMPATHY"...
00:52:00.020 --> 00:52:01.100
- CLIFTON: MMH.
00:52:01.100 --> 00:52:01.240
- JASON: ...WHICH WE DON'T
00:52:01.240 --> 00:52:02.140
TEND TO HAVE A LOT OF IN
00:52:02.140 --> 00:52:03.020
SOCIETY TODAY...
00:52:03.020 --> 00:52:03.200
- DARRYL: RIGHT.
00:52:03.200 --> 00:52:05.020
- JASON: ...MUCH LESS--
00:52:05.020 --> 00:52:05.200
ESPECIALLY IN SOCIAL-MEDIA
00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:06.180
WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.
00:52:06.180 --> 00:52:07.070
BUT, THIS EMPATHY -- IF WE
00:52:07.070 --> 00:52:08.230
COULD START TO SEE THINGS FROM
00:52:08.230 --> 00:52:10.060
THE OTHER PERSON'S POINT OF
00:52:10.060 --> 00:52:11.200
VIEW, WHICH WAS SO HARD WHEN MY
00:52:11.200 --> 00:52:13.130
DAD WAS HURTING ME, TO SEE IT
00:52:13.130 --> 00:52:15.070
FROM HIS POINT OF VIEW.
00:52:15.070 --> 00:52:16.130
AND AS I LOOKED BACK NOW AND I
00:52:16.130 --> 00:52:17.250
SAW IT FROM HIS POINT OF VIEW,
00:52:17.250 --> 00:52:19.160
HE WASN'T EXACTLY HAPPY OF THE
00:52:19.160 --> 00:52:21.130
SITUATION HE WAS IN, EITHER.
00:52:21.130 --> 00:52:22.090
- DARRYL: MM-HMM.
00:52:22.090 --> 00:52:23.040
- CLIFTON: HMH.
00:52:23.040 --> 00:52:23.200
- JASON: AND SO, THAT REALLY
00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:24.190
HELPED ME INTO A PLACE FOR
00:52:24.190 --> 00:52:26.140
FORGIVENESS WAS HAVING EMPATHY
00:52:26.140 --> 00:52:28.000
FOR, REALLY, THE FIRST TIME IN
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:28.210
MY LIFE, FOR MY DAD, AT 40
00:52:28.210 --> 00:52:29.110
YEARS OLD.
00:52:29.110 --> 00:52:30.090
- CLIFTON: MMH.
00:52:30.090 --> 00:52:31.020
- JASON: SO, I-- I ENCOURAGE
00:52:31.020 --> 00:52:31.290
ANYONE'S WHO'S STRUGGLING WITH
00:52:31.290 --> 00:52:32.290
FORGIVENESS TO REALLY--
00:52:32.290 --> 00:52:35.220
IT DOESN'T MEAN -- AGAIN -- THAT
00:52:35.220 --> 00:52:36.140
YOU'RE LETTING THEM OFF THE
00:52:36.140 --> 00:52:37.040
HOOK.
00:52:37.040 --> 00:52:37.130
BUT I THINK HAVING AN
00:52:37.130 --> 00:52:38.000
EMPATHETIC HEART...
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:39.120
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT JESUS DOES.
00:52:39.120 --> 00:52:40.040
HE'S THE ONE THAT'LL TAKE A
00:52:40.040 --> 00:52:41.240
PICTURE WITH US ON OUR
00:52:41.240 --> 00:52:42.120
WORST DAY.
00:52:42.120 --> 00:52:42.230
- DARRYL: MM-HMM.
00:52:42.230 --> 00:52:43.090
- JASON: RIGHT?
00:52:43.090 --> 00:52:43.230
- DARRYL: AMEN.
00:52:43.230 --> 00:52:44.070
THAT'S RIGHT.
00:52:44.070 --> 00:52:44.200
- JASON: HE'S THE ONLY ONE!
00:52:44.200 --> 00:52:45.260
AND SO, WE HAVE TO BEGIN TO
00:52:45.260 --> 00:52:46.240
HAVE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF
00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:47.230
EMPATHY IN OUR LIVES AS WE LOOK
00:52:47.230 --> 00:52:49.130
AT PEOPLE WHO'VE HURT US.
00:52:49.130 --> 00:52:50.140
- CLIFTON: MMH...
00:52:50.140 --> 00:52:51.000
- JASON: SO...
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:51.270
- CLIFTON: YES. ABSOLUTELY.
00:52:51.270 --> 00:52:52.170
I GOT THE PRIVILEGE OF
00:52:52.170 --> 00:52:54.060
FORGIVING MY FATHER, AS WELL,
00:52:54.060 --> 00:52:56.030
FOR NEGLECTING ME, FOR NEVER
00:52:57.100 --> 00:53:00.120
TELLING ME THAT HE LOVED ME
00:53:00.120 --> 00:53:01.020
UNTIL I WAS ON BROADWAY.
00:53:01.150 --> 00:53:04.150
I WAS A GROWN MAN.
00:53:04.150 --> 00:53:06.250
AND, HE WAS,
00:53:06.250 --> 00:53:08.140
"YOU KNOW, I LOVE YOU?"
00:53:08.140 --> 00:53:09.270
"WHAT?"
00:53:09.270 --> 00:53:10.250
- JASON: YEAH.
00:53:10.250 --> 00:53:12.010
[DARRYL LAUGHS]
00:53:12.010 --> 00:53:12.180
[LAUGHTER]
00:53:12.180 --> 00:53:14.030
- CLIFTON: (STRONG VOICE) "YOU
00:53:14.030 --> 00:53:14.250
KNOW THAT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU
00:53:14.250 --> 00:53:15.160
EVER SAID THAT TO ME?"
00:53:15.160 --> 00:53:16.030
- JASON: WOW.
00:53:16.030 --> 00:53:17.030
- CLIFTON: OH...IT WAS...IT
00:53:17.030 --> 00:53:17.230
WAS DEEP.
00:53:17.230 --> 00:53:18.180
- JASON: YEAH.
00:53:18.180 --> 00:53:19.230
- CLIFTON: BUT, BY GOD'S
00:53:19.230 --> 00:53:20.140
GRACE, I GOT TO TALK TO HIM
00:53:20.140 --> 00:53:21.270
ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
00:53:21.270 --> 00:53:24.060
AND HERE'S-- AND I DON'T MEAN
00:53:24.060 --> 00:53:25.220
TO TAKE YOUR TIME, BUT, I GOTTA
00:53:25.220 --> 00:53:26.140
TELL YOU THIS.
00:53:26.140 --> 00:53:28.210
- DARRYL: NO, YOU'RE FINE.
00:53:28.210 --> 00:53:29.110
- CLIFTON: GOD WORKS THIS
00:53:29.110 --> 00:53:30.000
THING OUT.
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.150
UH, MY FATHER HAD COPD, SMOKED
00:53:32.150 --> 00:53:33.190
THREE PACKS OF CAMELS A DAY
00:53:33.190 --> 00:53:35.090
ALL OF HIS LIFE.
00:53:35.090 --> 00:53:37.000
AND, FINALLY, IN '72, HE
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.120
COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF.
00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:41.080
HE COULDN'T WALK ACROSS THIS
00:53:41.080 --> 00:53:42.060
STAGE.
00:53:42.060 --> 00:53:43.220
SO, I SAID: "THAT'S IT.
00:53:43.220 --> 00:53:45.150
YOU'RE LEAVIN' VIRGINIA.
00:53:45.150 --> 00:53:46.030
YOU'RE COMIN' TO STAY WITH ME."
00:53:46.030 --> 00:53:47.070
SO, I BROUGHT HIM OUT TO
00:53:47.070 --> 00:53:48.140
CALIFORNIA.
00:53:48.140 --> 00:53:51.010
AND, UH...AND HE WAS FINE FOR A
00:53:51.010 --> 00:53:51.230
COUPLE OF MONTHS.
00:53:51.230 --> 00:53:52.290
AND THEN, I WENT AWAY TO PREACH
00:53:52.290 --> 00:53:54.180
SOMEWHERE, AND, UH, MY
00:53:54.180 --> 00:53:57.030
SECRETARY SAID, "YOUR FATHER
00:53:57.030 --> 00:53:58.270
FELL OUT."
00:53:58.270 --> 00:53:59.250
SO, I HAD TO PUT HIM IN A HOME.
00:53:59.250 --> 00:54:01.140
AND I CARED FOR HIM, AND I
00:54:01.140 --> 00:54:03.060
SHAVED HIM, AND I TOOK CARE OF
00:54:03.060 --> 00:54:05.190
HIS HAIR, AND...AND, WITH TEARS
00:54:05.190 --> 00:54:07.110
IN HIS EYES, HE SAID, "YOU
00:54:07.110 --> 00:54:08.240
KNOW, SON, CAN-- CAN YOU EVER
00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:10.220
FORGIVE ME?"
00:54:10.220 --> 00:54:11.150
I SAID: "ARE YOU KIDDING?
00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:12.250
YOU THINK I'M TAKIN' CARE OF
00:54:12.250 --> 00:54:14.220
YOU 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T FORGIVEN
00:54:14.220 --> 00:54:15.160
YOU?"
00:54:15.160 --> 00:54:16.290
[DARRYL LAUGHS]
00:54:16.290 --> 00:54:17.130
- DARRYL: RIGHT, RIGHT.
00:54:17.130 --> 00:54:18.130
- JASON: YEAH.
00:54:18.130 --> 00:54:18.270
[LAUGHTER]
00:54:18.270 --> 00:54:19.120
- CLIFTON: I SAID--
00:54:19.120 --> 00:54:20.180
- JASON: IT'S ALREADY DONE.
00:54:20.180 --> 00:54:21.150
- CLIFTON: --"I LOVE YOU.
00:54:21.150 --> 00:54:22.040
IT'S DONE."
00:54:22.040 --> 00:54:22.210
AND, UH, HE SAID, "I BROUGHT
00:54:22.210 --> 00:54:23.180
ALL OF THIS ON MYSELF, DIDN'T
00:54:23.180 --> 00:54:24.190
I?"
00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:25.240
AND HIS PAIN -- SUDDENLY, THE
00:54:25.240 --> 00:54:28.210
EMPATHY I FELT FOR HIM--
00:54:28.210 --> 00:54:29.240
- JASON: RIGHT.
00:54:29.240 --> 00:54:31.260
- CLIFTON: --AND FOR HIS
00:54:31.260 --> 00:54:32.150
PAIN...
00:54:32.150 --> 00:54:33.240
- JASON: YEAH.
00:54:33.240 --> 00:54:34.220
- CLIFTON: AND I SAID, "NO,
00:54:34.220 --> 00:54:35.200
DAD, AN ENEMY HAS DONE THIS"--
00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:36.150
- DARRYL: MM-HMM.
00:54:36.150 --> 00:54:37.170
- CLIFTON: --WHICH IS WHAT THE
00:54:37.170 --> 00:54:38.090
BIBLE SAYS.
00:54:38.090 --> 00:54:38.210
- JASON: YEAH.
00:54:38.210 --> 00:54:39.050
- CLIFTON: AN ENEMY HAS COME
00:54:39.050 --> 00:54:39.260
AND DONE THIS TO YOU.
00:54:39.260 --> 00:54:40.200
BUT, THANK GOD FOR
00:54:40.200 --> 00:54:42.090
JESUS CHRIST.
00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:43.170
- DARRYL: YEAH!
00:54:43.170 --> 00:54:44.180
[APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:54:44.180 --> 00:54:45.030
- CLIFTON: 'CAUSE HE CAN MAKE
00:54:45.030 --> 00:54:45.240
IT ALL RIGHT.
00:54:45.240 --> 00:54:46.220
- DARRYL: YEAH, YOU KNOW!
00:54:46.220 --> 00:54:47.210
- JASON: THAT IS SO TRUE.
00:54:47.210 --> 00:54:49.020
[APPLAUSE]
00:54:49.020 --> 00:54:52.010
- CLIFTON: I WONDER IF YOU
00:54:52.010 --> 00:54:53.040
WOULD JUST SPEAK TO THE CAMERA
00:54:53.040 --> 00:54:56.020
AND TELL SOMEBODY OUT THERE
00:54:56.020 --> 00:54:58.020
WHAT...WHAT THE ANSWER IS FOR
00:54:58.020 --> 00:54:59.230
ADDICTION AND HOW TO ACHIEVE
00:54:59.230 --> 00:55:02.000
- DARRYL: WELL, I'D JUST LIKE
00:55:06.020 --> 00:55:07.140
TO SPEAK TO YOU AND TELL YOU
00:55:07.140 --> 00:55:09.010
THE ANSWER IS JESUS CHRIST
00:55:09.010 --> 00:55:09.270
HIMSELF.
00:55:09.270 --> 00:55:10.180
THERE'S NO ONE GREATER, UH,
00:55:10.180 --> 00:55:11.080
THAN HE IS.
00:55:11.080 --> 00:55:12.150
HE'S THE GREAT I AM.
00:55:12.150 --> 00:55:13.160
THOSE THAT MAY BE IN THE MIDST
00:55:13.160 --> 00:55:15.240
OF STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION, I
00:55:15.240 --> 00:55:16.290
ASK THAT YOU COME TO THE CROSS
00:55:16.290 --> 00:55:18.200
AND SURRENDER YOURSELF.
00:55:18.200 --> 00:55:19.130
HE LOVES YOU.
00:55:21.290 --> 00:55:22.120
YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT HAS
00:55:22.120 --> 00:55:23.060
HAPPENED, NO MATTER WHAT BROKEN
00:55:23.060 --> 00:55:24.160
PIECES THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR
00:55:24.160 --> 00:55:25.250
LIFE, ALL THOSE PIECES HE WILL
00:55:25.250 --> 00:55:26.210
PUT BACK TOGETHER.
00:55:27.230 --> 00:55:30.230
AND IT'S A PROCESS.
00:55:30.230 --> 00:55:31.090
IT'S NOT A OVERNIGHT MIRACLE.
00:55:31.090 --> 00:55:32.000
YOU DIDN'T GET IN THIS MESS
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:32.200
OVERNIGHT, SO HE'S GONNA MEET
00:55:32.200 --> 00:55:33.200
YOU RIGHT WHERE YOU AT.
00:55:33.200 --> 00:55:34.260
SO, JUST...DON'T BE AFRAID TO
00:55:34.260 --> 00:55:37.040
SHOW HIM YOUR SCARS BECAUSE
00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:38.150
HE'S ALREADY...TOOK IT TO THE
00:55:38.150 --> 00:55:39.290
CROSS FOR YOU.
00:55:39.290 --> 00:55:41.220
HE'S ALREADY DONE EVERYTHING
00:55:41.220 --> 00:55:43.120
THAT YOU NEED TO BE DONE.
00:55:43.120 --> 00:55:45.030
HE'S WAITING ON YOU.
00:55:45.030 --> 00:55:46.260
TURN AROUND, COME BACK HOME.
00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:48.190
HE LOVES YOU.
00:55:48.190 --> 00:55:49.210
JESUS IS CRAZY ABOUT YOU.
00:55:49.210 --> 00:55:51.040
JESUS IS CRAZY ABOUT PEOPLE.
00:55:51.040 --> 00:55:52.230
GOD'S GRACE IS SUFFICIENT.
00:55:53.290 --> 00:55:56.290
IT MEETS YOU RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE
00:55:56.290 --> 00:55:59.020
AT.
00:55:59.020 --> 00:55:59.250
[APPLAUSE]
00:55:59.250 --> 00:56:00.190
IT MEETS YOU IN THE MIDST OF
00:56:00.190 --> 00:56:01.090
YOUR HARD TIMES, YOUR TROUBLES,
00:56:01.090 --> 00:56:03.110
YOUR HURTS, YOUR HABITS --
00:56:03.260 --> 00:56:06.260
WHATEVER IT IS.
00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:08.000
GRACE IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.120
UNDERSTAND.
00:56:09.120 --> 00:56:10.160
WE DON'T DESERVE IT.
00:56:10.160 --> 00:56:11.210
BUT HE GIVES IT TO YOU, ANYWAY.
00:56:11.210 --> 00:56:13.170
HE GIVES IT YOU DAILY WHEN YOU
00:56:13.170 --> 00:56:15.240
GET UP AND WORSHIP HIM AND TELL
00:56:15.240 --> 00:56:17.070
HIM THANK YOU.
00:56:17.070 --> 00:56:18.150
THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE.
00:56:18.150 --> 00:56:20.050
THANK YOU FOR YOUR MERCY.
00:56:20.050 --> 00:56:21.030
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE.
00:56:21.030 --> 00:56:22.040
THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE A GOOD
00:56:22.040 --> 00:56:24.010
GOD.
00:56:24.010 --> 00:56:24.160
I COULDN'T NEVER FIND
00:56:24.160 --> 00:56:25.240
A PARTNER.
00:56:25.240 --> 00:56:26.200
I WAS LOOKIN' FOR A PARTNER.
00:56:26.200 --> 00:56:27.100
YES, I GOT A WIFE, I GOT
00:56:27.100 --> 00:56:28.120
WONDERFUL KIDS, BUT I WAS
00:56:28.120 --> 00:56:29.240
LOOKIN' FOR A PARTNER THAT I
00:56:29.240 --> 00:56:30.190
COULD FIND THAT I COULD TALK TO
00:56:30.190 --> 00:56:31.120
EVERY DAY.
00:56:31.120 --> 00:56:33.270
AND I MET THIS MAN NAMED JESUS.
00:56:33.270 --> 00:56:34.210
AND I STARTED TALKIN' TO HIM,
00:56:34.210 --> 00:56:35.130
HE STARTED SPEAKIN' BACK TO ME,
00:56:35.130 --> 00:56:37.060
AND HE STARTED SHOWIN' ME THE
00:56:37.060 --> 00:56:38.070
CREATION OF WHY HE CREATED
00:56:38.070 --> 00:56:39.200
US: NOT TO BE LOST, BUT TO BE
00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:41.120
SAVED, TO BE WHOLE, TO BE
00:56:41.120 --> 00:56:42.240
RIGHTEOUS.
00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:43.240
SO, GOD IS SPEAKING TO YOU,
00:56:43.240 --> 00:56:45.100
RIGHT NOW.
00:56:45.100 --> 00:56:46.050
HE CARES ABOUT YOU.
00:56:46.050 --> 00:56:47.110
GIVE YOUR LIFE TO HIM.
00:56:47.110 --> 00:56:49.100
IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
00:56:49.100 --> 00:56:50.110
- JASON: AMEN.
00:56:50.110 --> 00:56:51.130
- CLIFTON: LADIES AND
00:56:51.130 --> 00:56:52.010
GENTLEMEN, I--
00:56:52.010 --> 00:56:54.170
[APPLAUSE]
00:56:54.170 --> 00:56:56.130
IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.
00:56:56.130 --> 00:56:57.290
[LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:56:57.290 --> 00:56:58.290
THANK YOU, DARRYL STRAWBERRY!
00:56:58.290 --> 00:56:59.200
[LOUD APPLAUSE, CHEERS]
00:56:59.200 --> 00:57:01.050
THANK YOU, JASON ROMANO!
00:57:01.130 --> 00:57:04.130
AND THANK YOU FOR WATCHING,
00:57:04.130 --> 00:57:05.100
WHEREVER YOU ARE.
00:57:05.100 --> 00:57:07.100
[CLOSING THEME PLAYS]
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