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Where Are They Now?

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July 2, 2020
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Learn about the two eternal destinations of mankind from a story Jesus told.

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  • male announcer: For millennia,
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  • humans have looked upinto the sky and wondered
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  • what lies ahead of themin the afterlife.
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  • Our souls innately desirean answer
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  • to what is perhapslife's greatest mystery,
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  • that which awaits uswhen we walk through the door
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  • into the world beyond.
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  • But God doesn't conceal
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  • the details aboutyour eternal resting place.
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  • Look in God's Word
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  • and you'll find a glimpseinto heaven:
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  • streets brighter than gold,God's radiant throne,
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  • and the eternal homeof Jesus Christ.
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  • All the magnificent details
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  • are written in the pagesof Scripture:
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  • what heaven will look like,how your soul will get there,
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  • if you'll be reunitedwith loved ones once you arrive,
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  • and how your bodywill appear for eternity.
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  • That is but just a sliver
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  • of what we can knowabout eternity,
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  • which promises to be a placebeyond your wildest dreams.
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  • All you have to dois open the Bible,
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  • and you'll find that, inside,
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  • God is revealingthe mysteries of heaven.
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  • Now here is your hostand Bible teacher,
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  • Dr. David Jeremiah.
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  • Dr. David Jeremiah:A well-known comedian
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  • is reported to have said,
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  • "I don't haveanything against dying.
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  • I just don't wanna be therewhen it happens."
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  • Well, he will not only be therewhen it happens,
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  • he will be thereafter it happens.
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  • That is, he will be somewhere,and the question is where?
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  • Where do people gowhen they die?
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  • That's the topic we'll exploretoday as we continue our series,
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  • "Revealingthe Mysteries of Heaven."
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  • Some people don't liketo talk about dying
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  • because they don't knowwhat happens after death.
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  • After watching today's messagetitled "Where Are They Now?"
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  • You will knowwhat the Bible says about
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  • the two eternal destinationsof mankind
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  • and how to choosethe one called heaven.
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  • It's straight ahead
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  • on today's editionof "Turning Point."
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  • announcer: We all have questionsabout heaven,
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  • and many of us assumethat we can't know the answers,
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  • but nothing could be furtherfrom the truth.
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  • God's Word is full of detailedinformation about heaven
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  • if we only know where to look.
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  • Inside Dr. Jeremiah's book,
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  • "Revealingthe Mysteries of Heaven,"
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  • Dr. David Jeremiah will lead youthrough God's Word,
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  • uncovering the answersto your pressing questions
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  • about the world beyond,including,
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  • "If you've lost a child,will you be reunited in heaven?"
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  • "How are our soulstransported to heaven?"
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  • and "Where exactlyis it located?"
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  • As you read, you'll discover
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  • that the more you knowabout heaven,
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  • the more you'll live
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  • in the realitythat awaits you every day.
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  • This inspiring book
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  • only from Turning Point.
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  • Contact us today.
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  • female announcer:Thank you for watching
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  • "Revealingthe Mysteries of Heaven,"
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  • here on "Turning Point,"
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  • timeless teachingfrom Dr. David Jeremiah.
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  • We appreciate your viewershipas Turning Point delivers
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  • the unchanging Word of Godto an ever-changing world.
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  • And now here is Dr. Jeremiah
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  • with his message"Where Are They Now?"
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  • Dr. Jeremiah:An Indiana cemetery has
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  • a tombstonemore than 100 years old
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  • with the following epitaphon it.
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  • It goes like this:"Pause, stranger,
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  • when you pass me by.
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  • As you are now, so once was I.
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  • As I am now, so you will be.
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  • Prepare yourself to follow me."
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  • And a young man came along
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  • and wrote a couple of notesbeneath the poem,
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  • and they go like this:"To follow you, I'm not content
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  • until I knowwhich way you went."
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  • That right?
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  • That's a pretty good epitaphright there, isn't it?
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  • Alexander Stewart has saidthat there are two things
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  • most people wanna knowabout their deceased loved ones.
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  • Number one, where are they?
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  • And, number two,how is it going with them?
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  • Where are they now?
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  • That's a question a lot of folkshave asked me
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  • when I've beena grief counselor.
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  • "Where are they now?"
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  • Apparently, there were those
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  • who livedin the New Testament times
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  • who were as just as concernedabout that question as we are.
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  • Do you remember when Paul wroteto the Thessalonian believers?
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  • And he was writing to them
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  • because of the questionsin their minds.
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  • In 1 Thessalonians 4:13,we read these words,
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  • "I do not want youto be ignorant, brethren,
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  • concerning thosewho have fallen asleep,
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  • lest you sorrow as otherswho have no hope."
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  • Now, he wasn't talkin'about them falling asleep
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  • like you fall asleep at night.
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  • "Falling asleep" isa softened term
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  • for a believer's death.
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  • It is used oftenin the Scriptures
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  • to describea Christian who dies.
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  • Now, every time people ask me,"Where are they now?"
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  • the first thingI have to tell 'em is
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  • that obviouslytheir body is asleep.
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  • Their body has died,and their body is in the grave,
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  • and every time wepass a cemetery,
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  • we're reminded of what happensto a person's body
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  • when they die:their body goes in the grave.
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  • That's not the issue.
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  • The issue is aboutthe real person
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  • because we all know
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  • that the bodyisn't the real person.
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  • The body's just the housein which the real person lives.
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  • The body's the shellin which the person resides.
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  • So when this body goes to sleepand goes in the grave,
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  • what happens to the real person?
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  • Well, like in allof the problems that we have,
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  • if we just study the Bible,we can find out.
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  • Only the Word of God can lendauthoritative teaching;
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  • and in today's message,I wanna talk with you
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  • about two people,two places, and two principles,
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  • and we ought to be ableto handle that;
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  • two people, two places,and two principles.
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  • In order for us to get our armsaround this subject,
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  • I want you to join with me
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  • in the reviewingof a passage of Scripture
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  • which most of usare familiar with
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  • in the 16th chapterof the book of Luke.
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  • Here in the 16th chapterof Luke, we have the story
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  • which is usually referred toas "The Rich Man and Lazarus,"
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  • or Lazarus and "Dives,"
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  • which is a Latin wordfor being rich.
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  • As we look at this story,
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  • we're going to see these two menkind of in split screens,
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  • contrasted with each otherin three ways.
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  • We're gonna watch themin their life,
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  • we're gonna see themin their death,
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  • and we're gonna see themafter their death in eternity.
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  • Are you ready for that?All right, now let's watch them.
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  • First of all, we just geta little snapshot
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  • of the rich man and Lazarusin their lifetime.
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  • The two men contrasted in life.
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  • Luke 16:19 through 21,says this:
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  • "There wasa certain rich man
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  • who was clothed in purpleand in fine linen,
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  • and he fared sumptuouslyevery day.
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  • But there was a certain beggarnamed Lazarus,
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  • full of sores,who was laid at his gate,
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  • desiring to be fed
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  • with the crumbs which fellfrom the rich man's table.
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  • Moreover the dogs cameand licked his sores."
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  • So there you have the snapshotof these two men in life:
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  • the rich man with many servants,
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  • Lazarus with only the dogsto care for him.
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  • Two men contrasted in life,
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  • and the curtain comes downon scene one.
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  • The next time we seethese two men is in death.
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  • Two men contrasted in death.
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  • And in verse 22,we read, first of all,
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  • of the death of Lazarus.
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  • Notice what it says: "So it wasthat the beggar Lazarus died,
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  • and he was carried by the angelsinto Abraham's bosom."
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  • It seems from reading the storythat Lazarus died first,
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  • and the rich man died second.
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  • There's no referenceto the burial of Lazarus.
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  • Simply says that he died.
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  • More than likely,his body wasn't buried
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  • because, in those days,
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  • when a poor personwho was a beggar died,
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  • they would either put himin the potter's field,
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  • or more than likely,they would throw him
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  • in a place called Gehenna,
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  • which was a name for the dumpoutside of the city.
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  • So more than likely,Lazarus's body was disposed of,
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  • but the Bible saysLazarus's real self
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  • was carried to Abraham's bosom.
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  • And the death of the rich manin verse 22,
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  • at the end of the verse,is very, very shortly described:
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  • "And the rich man also diedand was buried."
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  • Now, it's not hard to imagine
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  • the lavish funeralof the rich man, is it?
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  • Many eulogies,
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  • but with all of the thingshe had done in his life
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  • and all of the stuffhe had amassed,
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  • he couldn't buyone extra day of life.
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  • Two men in death.
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  • Note the contrast:
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  • one is cast awayas the garbage of the earth,
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  • and the other is lifted upand honored
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  • in a magnificent ceremony,
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  • and the curtain closeson act two.
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  • You still with me?
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  • All right, now we are ableto see something
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  • in these next verses
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  • that you will never see againin the Bible,
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  • and you could not see
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  • except through the eyesof the Lord Jesus,
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  • who is telling this story.
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  • Please hear me.This is not a parable.
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  • This is a real story,
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  • for he told the storyas an eyewitness,
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  • seeing not only their lifeand their death,
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  • but now he's going to show us
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  • what happened to themafter their death.
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  • The story is about to laya foundation
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  • for us to understand
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  • what happenswhen our loved ones die.
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  • The Bible teaches that,
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  • before the ascensionof Jesus Christ,
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  • there was an immediate place
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  • where the souls of men and womenwent at death.
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  • This place is composedof three compartments:
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  • Abraham's bosom;the great gulf fixed;
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  • and Hades,the place of torment.
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  • Now, Abraham's bosom,we are told, is called paradise.
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  • It is the place wherethe righteous dead go.
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  • According to this story,it is a place of comfort.
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  • And verse 25 says that Lazarusis comforted in this place.
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  • When Lazarus dies,his body goes in the grave,
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  • and he goes to paradise.
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  • The Bible saysit's a place of comfort.
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  • It is also a place of loveand companionship
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  • as Lazarus is picturedin the bosom of Abraham.
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  • The angels took Lazarusto paradise
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  • immediately after his death.
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  • When Lazarus died,his body went in the grave
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  • or wherever they put his body,
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  • and his soul and spiritwent to paradise.
  • 00:11:13.956 --> 00:11:17.293
  • The other compartmentat the bottom of the chart
  • 00:11:17.326 --> 00:11:20.329
  • is a place of torment.
  • 00:11:20.362 --> 00:11:22.364
  • It is also called Hades,
  • 00:11:22.398 --> 00:11:24.366
  • and into this place,the souls of the wicked dead go.
  • 00:11:24.400 --> 00:11:28.070
  • The rich man who was
  • 00:11:28.104 --> 00:11:29.405
  • so flamboyant in his life
  • 00:11:29.438 --> 00:11:31.974
  • went to this place,
  • 00:11:32.007 --> 00:11:33.442
  • and it is a representation
  • 00:11:33.476 --> 00:11:34.777
  • of all who failto place their trust in Christ.
  • 00:11:34.810 --> 00:11:37.480
  • He is a picture of what happensto those who die without Christ.
  • 00:11:37.513 --> 00:11:41.250
  • And in between paradiseand Hades,
  • 00:11:41.283 --> 00:11:44.453
  • we are told in the Scripture
  • 00:11:44.487 --> 00:11:45.888
  • that there isa great gulf fixed.
  • 00:11:45.921 --> 00:11:49.258
  • According to Jesus,
  • 00:11:49.291 --> 00:11:50.593
  • there is a chasmbetween these two places
  • 00:11:50.626 --> 00:11:53.195
  • that cannot be crossedunder any circumstances,
  • 00:11:53.229 --> 00:11:56.632
  • and we will come backto our chart in a few moments,
  • 00:11:56.665 --> 00:11:58.834
  • but let's take notice of whatis happening to these two men,
  • 00:11:58.868 --> 00:12:02.004
  • one of whom diedand went to paradise,
  • 00:12:02.037 --> 00:12:04.173
  • and one of whom diedand went to Hades.
  • 00:12:04.206 --> 00:12:06.475
  • Come back to the Bible nowand notice Lazarus in eternity
  • 00:12:06.509 --> 00:12:10.646
  • in verse 22, in Luke 16:22.
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  • "So it was that the beggar died
  • 00:12:13.983 --> 00:12:16.352
  • and was carried by the angelsto Abraham's bosom."
  • 00:12:16.385 --> 00:12:20.022
  • First of all,please notice
  • 00:12:20.055 --> 00:12:21.357
  • that, when the beggar died,
  • 00:12:21.390 --> 00:12:22.925
  • God sent his angelsto take him to paradise.
  • 00:12:22.958 --> 00:12:26.762
  • Not trying to get too technical,
  • 00:12:26.796 --> 00:12:28.097
  • but I want you to stay with mein this logic
  • 00:12:28.130 --> 00:12:29.765
  • so you see where we're goin'.
  • 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:31.600
  • Lazarus dies.
  • 00:12:31.634 --> 00:12:32.935
  • His body probably wentto potter's field
  • 00:12:32.968 --> 00:12:35.070
  • or Gehenna, to the dump,but that didn't affect his soul.
  • 00:12:35.104 --> 00:12:38.641
  • The angels cameand took a soul and spirit
  • 00:12:38.674 --> 00:12:40.676
  • and took him to Abraham's bosom,paradise, all right?
  • 00:12:40.709 --> 00:12:45.514
  • Now let's look inon our rich man who died,
  • 00:12:45.548 --> 00:12:49.084
  • the rich man in eternity,
  • 00:12:49.118 --> 00:12:50.419
  • and notice what the Biblesays about him.
  • 00:12:50.452 --> 00:12:52.321
  • First of all,he's in a place of misery.
  • 00:12:52.354 --> 00:12:54.757
  • Luke 16:23 and 24,"And being in torments in Hades,
  • 00:12:54.790 --> 00:12:59.495
  • he lifted up his eyes,and he saw Abraham afar off,
  • 00:12:59.528 --> 00:13:02.198
  • and Lazarus in his bosom.
  • 00:13:02.231 --> 00:13:03.532
  • And he cried, and he said,'Father, Abraham,
  • 00:13:03.566 --> 00:13:05.668
  • have mercy on me,and send Lazarus
  • 00:13:05.701 --> 00:13:07.736
  • that he may dipthe tip of his finger in water
  • 00:13:07.770 --> 00:13:10.239
  • and cool my tongue,
  • 00:13:10.272 --> 00:13:11.774
  • for I am tormentedin this flame.'"
  • 00:13:11.807 --> 00:13:14.009
  • Some of you say,"Well, where in the Bible
  • 00:13:14.043 --> 00:13:15.444
  • does it say that when you die,
  • 00:13:15.477 --> 00:13:16.912
  • if you go to hell,there are flames?"
  • 00:13:16.946 --> 00:13:18.547
  • Well, here's a picture of itright here.
  • 00:13:18.581 --> 00:13:20.783
  • In this intermediate place,this man is in torment,
  • 00:13:20.816 --> 00:13:23.185
  • and he is in flames.
  • 00:13:23.219 --> 00:13:25.421
  • The rich man, now watch,is not lost because he is rich
  • 00:13:25.454 --> 00:13:29.124
  • any more than the poor manis saved because he is poor.
  • 00:13:29.158 --> 00:13:32.661
  • Assume in this storythat the rich man
  • 00:13:32.695 --> 00:13:35.397
  • did not believe in Jesus Christ,while Lazarus did,
  • 00:13:35.431 --> 00:13:38.901
  • and because of their faith,their destiny is fixed.
  • 00:13:38.934 --> 00:13:43.572
  • Now, in many respects,
  • 00:13:43.606 --> 00:13:45.140
  • the rich man and Lazarushave changed places.
  • 00:13:45.174 --> 00:13:48.277
  • Watch what happened.
  • 00:13:48.310 --> 00:13:49.612
  • The proud man of time has becomethe beggar in eternity.
  • 00:13:49.645 --> 00:13:53.916
  • The one who, in life,
  • 00:13:53.949 --> 00:13:55.251
  • denied the poor mana crumb from his table
  • 00:13:55.284 --> 00:13:57.319
  • is now beggingfor one drop of water.
  • 00:13:57.353 --> 00:14:00.623
  • The one who, in his life,fared sumptuously every day
  • 00:14:00.656 --> 00:14:04.126
  • would now be happy
  • 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:05.461
  • with just one drop of waterto cool his tongue.
  • 00:14:05.494 --> 00:14:08.864
  • He's in a place of misery.
  • 00:14:08.898 --> 00:14:10.199
  • Notice, secondly,he's in a place of memory.
  • 00:14:10.232 --> 00:14:12.768
  • This is somethingthat's new to a lot of folks.
  • 00:14:12.801 --> 00:14:15.070
  • Luke 16:25,"But Abraham said,
  • 00:14:15.104 --> 00:14:16.906
  • 'Son, rememberthat in your lifetime
  • 00:14:16.939 --> 00:14:19.174
  • you received your good things,
  • 00:14:19.208 --> 00:14:20.809
  • and likewiseLazarus evil things,
  • 00:14:20.843 --> 00:14:23.245
  • but now he is comfortedand you are tormented.'"
  • 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:26.882
  • Verse 25 indicates that Hadesis a place of memory.
  • 00:14:26.916 --> 00:14:30.586
  • He lifts up his eyes,and he sees Lazarus,
  • 00:14:30.619 --> 00:14:33.656
  • and he is consciousof what he has missed.
  • 00:14:33.689 --> 00:14:36.392
  • And throughout eternity,it will be an instant replay
  • 00:14:36.425 --> 00:14:38.727
  • over and over and over againin his mind
  • 00:14:38.761 --> 00:14:40.963
  • that he had a chancethat he could have accepted,
  • 00:14:40.996 --> 00:14:43.699
  • but he did not.
  • 00:14:43.732 --> 00:14:45.601
  • It is a place of miseryand a place of memory;
  • 00:14:45.634 --> 00:14:48.737
  • but notice, thirdly,it's a place of mourning.
  • 00:14:48.771 --> 00:14:51.974
  • Now, the representativeof the lost who are now in Hades
  • 00:14:52.007 --> 00:14:54.877
  • is this rich man.
  • 00:14:54.910 --> 00:14:56.679
  • He was alive, he was conscious,
  • 00:14:56.712 --> 00:14:58.380
  • he was in full exerciseof his faculties,
  • 00:14:58.414 --> 00:15:00.482
  • his memory,and he's in torment.
  • 00:15:00.516 --> 00:15:03.185
  • Now, I know you didn't cometo hear me talk about that,
  • 00:15:03.218 --> 00:15:05.154
  • but I have to tell you that
  • 00:15:05.187 --> 00:15:06.488
  • so you understandthe rest of the story.
  • 00:15:06.522 --> 00:15:08.724
  • There are two people--now,I want you to notice two places.
  • 00:15:08.757 --> 00:15:12.594
  • Let's notice what happens,and let me take you through
  • 00:15:12.628 --> 00:15:14.964
  • the progressionof where they are now.
  • 00:15:14.997 --> 00:15:18.734
  • First of all,an intermediate hell,
  • 00:15:18.767 --> 00:15:21.603
  • a placethat is not ultimately hell,
  • 00:15:21.637 --> 00:15:23.772
  • but it is hellin an intermediate way.
  • 00:15:23.806 --> 00:15:27.576
  • Watch this.
  • 00:15:27.609 --> 00:15:28.911
  • So far as the unsaved deadare concerned,
  • 00:15:28.944 --> 00:15:31.814
  • they continue in this placecalled Hades,
  • 00:15:31.847 --> 00:15:34.683
  • the intermediate hell,
  • 00:15:34.717 --> 00:15:36.819
  • until a particular timein the future.
  • 00:15:36.852 --> 00:15:39.688
  • Now, watch your chart.
  • 00:15:39.722 --> 00:15:41.590
  • At the judgmentof the great white throne,
  • 00:15:41.623 --> 00:15:44.226
  • Hades gives them up,
  • 00:15:44.259 --> 00:15:46.228
  • and they are judged and passedinto the lake of fire.
  • 00:15:46.261 --> 00:15:48.764
  • You say, "Where is that?"
  • 00:15:48.797 --> 00:15:50.132
  • Well, I want you to read with me
  • 00:15:50.165 --> 00:15:51.600
  • Revelation chapter 20,verses 13 and 14:
  • 00:15:51.633 --> 00:15:54.837
  • "And the sea gave upthe dead who were in it,
  • 00:15:54.870 --> 00:15:58.140
  • and Death and Hades delivered upthe dead who were in them.
  • 00:15:58.173 --> 00:16:02.011
  • And they were judged,each one according to his works,
  • 00:16:02.044 --> 00:16:04.980
  • and Death and Hades were castinto the lake of fire.
  • 00:16:05.014 --> 00:16:09.385
  • This is the second death."
  • 00:16:09.418 --> 00:16:11.120
  • Now look up for just a moment.Here's what happens.
  • 00:16:11.153 --> 00:16:13.956
  • When a person dies todayand they don't know Jesus,
  • 00:16:13.989 --> 00:16:19.762
  • their body goes in the grave,
  • 00:16:19.795 --> 00:16:22.031
  • and their soul and spiritgoes to Hades.
  • 00:16:22.064 --> 00:16:24.767
  • One day, after the judgment,
  • 00:16:24.800 --> 00:16:27.102
  • Hades,according to the Scripture,
  • 00:16:27.136 --> 00:16:28.971
  • will be castinto the lake of fire,
  • 00:16:29.004 --> 00:16:31.173
  • which is the permanent hell,
  • 00:16:31.206 --> 00:16:33.509
  • and it's going to bea place where,
  • 00:16:33.542 --> 00:16:36.945
  • as you can seefrom this rich man,
  • 00:16:36.979 --> 00:16:39.782
  • you would never want to go,and you would never want
  • 00:16:39.815 --> 00:16:42.117
  • anyone you loveto go, all right?
  • 00:16:42.151 --> 00:16:45.521
  • The intermediate hell.
  • 00:16:45.554 --> 00:16:46.855
  • Now notice, secondly,
  • 00:16:46.889 --> 00:16:48.390
  • the intermediate heaven,paradise.
  • 00:16:48.424 --> 00:16:50.692
  • Every believer--now, you
  • 00:16:50.726 --> 00:16:52.027
  • have to really think carefullyhere.
  • 00:16:52.061 --> 00:16:53.929
  • Every believer who diedbefore the ascension of Christ
  • 00:16:53.962 --> 00:16:56.865
  • went to paradise;
  • 00:16:56.899 --> 00:16:58.934
  • but when Jesus diedon the cross,
  • 00:16:58.967 --> 00:17:01.203
  • he was buriedand he rose again.
  • 00:17:01.236 --> 00:17:03.839
  • On the day of his ascension,something changed,
  • 00:17:03.872 --> 00:17:07.076
  • and I want you to watch
  • 00:17:07.109 --> 00:17:08.410
  • Ephesians chapter 4,verses 8 through 10:
  • 00:17:08.444 --> 00:17:11.346
  • "Therefore he says,'When he ascended on high,
  • 00:17:11.380 --> 00:17:14.883
  • he led captivity captive,and gave gifts to men.'
  • 00:17:14.917 --> 00:17:17.386
  • Now this, 'He ascended.'
  • 00:17:17.419 --> 00:17:18.720
  • What does it mean--that he also first descended
  • 00:17:18.754 --> 00:17:21.090
  • into the lower partsof the earth?
  • 00:17:21.123 --> 00:17:23.058
  • He also descended isthe one who ascended
  • 00:17:23.092 --> 00:17:25.561
  • far above all the heavensthat he might fill all things."
  • 00:17:25.594 --> 00:17:28.363
  • Here's what the Bible says:
  • 00:17:28.397 --> 00:17:29.832
  • When Jesus ascendedafter his death,
  • 00:17:29.865 --> 00:17:32.267
  • he went into the earth,and he led captivity captive.
  • 00:17:32.301 --> 00:17:35.871
  • He went into paradise,
  • 00:17:35.904 --> 00:17:37.272
  • and he took all the peoplewho were in paradise,
  • 00:17:37.306 --> 00:17:39.975
  • and he took them with himup to the third heaven.
  • 00:17:40.008 --> 00:17:43.178
  • Paradise is no longeran intermediate place.
  • 00:17:43.212 --> 00:17:45.681
  • Paradise is with God in heaven.
  • 00:17:45.714 --> 00:17:47.716
  • Jesus took all of thosewho were in paradise,
  • 00:17:47.749 --> 00:17:49.952
  • all the Old Testament saints,all who had died
  • 00:17:49.985 --> 00:17:51.820
  • and believed in Godbefore the ascension.
  • 00:17:51.854 --> 00:17:55.457
  • When Jesus died on the cross,after his death,
  • 00:17:55.491 --> 00:17:58.026
  • he went into paradise.
  • 00:17:58.060 --> 00:18:00.429
  • You say, "How do you knowJesus went to paradise?"
  • 00:18:00.462 --> 00:18:04.766
  • I'm glad you asked me.
  • 00:18:04.800 --> 00:18:07.503
  • Do you remember what he said
  • 00:18:07.536 --> 00:18:08.837
  • to the thief on the crosswhen he died?
  • 00:18:08.871 --> 00:18:11.373
  • What did he say, class?
  • 00:18:11.406 --> 00:18:12.708
  • "Today," Luke 23:43, "today,you will be with me," where?
  • 00:18:12.741 --> 00:18:17.513
  • "In paradise."
  • 00:18:17.546 --> 00:18:19.481
  • "How do you know paradiseis not still where it is?"
  • 00:18:19.515 --> 00:18:22.417
  • Well, I'm glad you asked methat question too.
  • 00:18:22.451 --> 00:18:25.020
  • Let's go back and remember
  • 00:18:25.053 --> 00:18:26.455
  • in 2 Corinthians chapter 12,verses 2 and 4,
  • 00:18:26.488 --> 00:18:31.059
  • do you remember what Paul saidabout his vision?
  • 00:18:31.093 --> 00:18:34.029
  • "I know a man in Christwho 14 years ago--
  • 00:18:34.062 --> 00:18:36.698
  • whether in the bodyI do not know,
  • 00:18:36.732 --> 00:18:38.333
  • or whether out of the bodyI do not know, God knows--
  • 00:18:38.367 --> 00:18:41.103
  • such a one was caught upto the third heaven."
  • 00:18:41.136 --> 00:18:43.338
  • Where's the third heaven, class?It's in the north.
  • 00:18:43.372 --> 00:18:45.474
  • It's where God is, right?All right.
  • 00:18:45.507 --> 00:18:48.243
  • "And I know such a man--
  • 00:18:48.277 --> 00:18:49.578
  • whether in the bodyor out of the body
  • 00:18:49.611 --> 00:18:50.946
  • I do not know, God knows--
  • 00:18:50.979 --> 00:18:52.281
  • how he was caught upinto paradise."
  • 00:18:52.314 --> 00:18:54.550
  • Where is paradise?It's in the third heaven.
  • 00:18:54.583 --> 00:18:56.885
  • How did it get there?
  • 00:18:56.919 --> 00:18:58.220
  • When Jesus ascendedand took paradise captive,
  • 00:18:58.253 --> 00:19:01.557
  • he took it upto the third heaven.
  • 00:19:01.590 --> 00:19:03.025
  • So now where are they?
  • 00:19:03.058 --> 00:19:05.160
  • When a believer dies,
  • 00:19:05.194 --> 00:19:06.895
  • his body goes in the graveand goes to sleep.
  • 00:19:06.929 --> 00:19:10.032
  • His soul doesn't go to sleep.
  • 00:19:10.065 --> 00:19:11.967
  • There's no such thingas soul sleep.
  • 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.069
  • Let me tell you something,friend,
  • 00:19:14.102 --> 00:19:15.404
  • whether you're a Christianor you're not a Christian,
  • 00:19:15.437 --> 00:19:16.838
  • you're gonna be alive somewhereforever and ever.
  • 00:19:16.872 --> 00:19:20.142
  • Your soul does not sleep.
  • 00:19:20.175 --> 00:19:21.510
  • The body sleeps and the souland spirit goes to paradise,
  • 00:19:21.543 --> 00:19:26.248
  • which is in the third heaven.
  • 00:19:26.281 --> 00:19:28.283
  • But in between now and then,
  • 00:19:28.317 --> 00:19:30.185
  • when an Old Testament persondied,
  • 00:19:30.219 --> 00:19:31.687
  • their soul went to Hades,their body went in the grave.
  • 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:34.223
  • At the great whitethrone judgment,
  • 00:19:34.256 --> 00:19:35.624
  • Hades is castinto the lake of fire,
  • 00:19:35.657 --> 00:19:37.726
  • and forever and ever,there is no hope.
  • 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:40.462
  • When a believer dies,his body goes in the grave.
  • 00:19:40.495 --> 00:19:42.998
  • He goes to paradise,his soul and spirit,
  • 00:19:43.031 --> 00:19:44.833
  • but God gives himan intermediate body
  • 00:19:44.866 --> 00:19:47.169
  • so that he is not unclothed
  • 00:19:47.202 --> 00:19:49.071
  • between nowand the day of resurrection.
  • 00:19:49.104 --> 00:19:51.240
  • On the day of resurrection,his body comes out of the grave,
  • 00:19:51.273 --> 00:19:53.909
  • and it is,in a moment, transformed
  • 00:19:53.942 --> 00:19:55.844
  • into his permanentheavenly body,
  • 00:19:55.877 --> 00:19:57.779
  • and together,we shall be with the Lord.
  • 00:19:57.813 --> 00:20:01.216
  • I love theologyas you can probably tell,
  • 00:20:01.250 --> 00:20:03.418
  • and when I have somethin'
  • 00:20:03.452 --> 00:20:04.753
  • that I need to findan answer to,
  • 00:20:04.786 --> 00:20:06.421
  • I study and study and studyuntil I find it,
  • 00:20:06.455 --> 00:20:08.624
  • and you knowwhat I've discovered?
  • 00:20:08.657 --> 00:20:10.058
  • I've never had a questionthat I really researched
  • 00:20:10.092 --> 00:20:12.461
  • that I couldn't findthe answer to in the Scripture.
  • 00:20:12.494 --> 00:20:15.364
  • I know now for a fact
  • 00:20:15.397 --> 00:20:17.466
  • what happens to a personwhen they die,
  • 00:20:17.499 --> 00:20:20.068
  • where they go,how they exist,
  • 00:20:20.102 --> 00:20:21.903
  • what's goin' on right now.
  • 00:20:21.937 --> 00:20:24.273
  • But all of that,as wonderful as it is,
  • 00:20:24.306 --> 00:20:27.943
  • is not the most important thing.
  • 00:20:27.976 --> 00:20:29.611
  • Let me tell youwhat I've discovered,
  • 00:20:29.645 --> 00:20:31.713
  • and I don't know
  • 00:20:31.747 --> 00:20:34.816
  • if I can tell you thiswithout emotion.
  • 00:20:34.850 --> 00:20:39.755
  • After immersing myselfin all of these passages
  • 00:20:39.788 --> 00:20:43.625
  • about the temporary
  • 00:20:43.659 --> 00:20:44.960
  • and eternal homeof the believer,
  • 00:20:44.993 --> 00:20:47.696
  • one truth jumps outof the Scripture
  • 00:20:47.729 --> 00:20:50.432
  • and into my heart:
  • 00:20:50.465 --> 00:20:52.200
  • paradise and heavenand the New Jerusalem,
  • 00:20:52.234 --> 00:20:54.803
  • and whatever name you may useto describe that place,
  • 00:20:54.836 --> 00:20:57.906
  • is secondary to this:heaven is where Jesus is.
  • 00:20:57.939 --> 00:21:02.644
  • Heaven is being with Jesus.
  • 00:21:02.678 --> 00:21:04.479
  • And over that truth,you need to write a banner
  • 00:21:04.513 --> 00:21:08.784
  • because it is hammeredinto our hearts over and over,
  • 00:21:08.817 --> 00:21:11.787
  • and I bet you haven't seen itas many times as it's there
  • 00:21:11.820 --> 00:21:14.623
  • because it kind of sneaks inat the end of passages,
  • 00:21:14.656 --> 00:21:17.693
  • but let me show youwhat the Scripture says,
  • 00:21:17.726 --> 00:21:20.028
  • and then you will understand.
  • 00:21:20.062 --> 00:21:21.363
  • "Well, I don't knowif I completely comprehend
  • 00:21:21.396 --> 00:21:23.298
  • everything Pastor Jeremiahsaid today
  • 00:21:23.332 --> 00:21:25.067
  • about the intermediate heavenand the permanent heaven,
  • 00:21:25.100 --> 00:21:27.269
  • but one thing I do understandis, when I die,
  • 00:21:27.302 --> 00:21:29.438
  • I'm gonna be with Jesus,"amen?
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  • Watch this, watch this.
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  • John 14:3, "And if I goand prepare a place for you,
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  • I will come again and receiveyou to myself," why?
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  • "That where I am,there you may be also."
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  • Not about the place.It's about the person.
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  • When Jesus gave assuranceto the thief on the cross,
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  • what did he say to him?
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  • He said, "Today youwill be with me in paradise."
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  • Paradise is secondary.
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  • Paul explained deathin these terms.
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  • He said, "We are confident,yes, well pleased rather
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  • to be absentfrom the body--"
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  • not "present in heaven."
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  • "Absent from the body,present with," who?
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  • "The Lord."
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  • When Paul was writingto the Philippians
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  • about his own death,he wrote,
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  • "For I am hard-pressedbetween the two,
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  • having a desire to departand--" go where?
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  • To heaven?No.
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  • "To be with Christ."
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  • Over and over and over,have you ever seen that?
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  • It's not about "heaven" so muchas it is about Jesus.
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  • It's about being with him.
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  • And how many of youagree with me,
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  • "Wherever it is, if he's there,I'm okay," amen?
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  • Wherever he is, wherever it is,
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  • because he's the onewho died for me.
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  • He's the one who saved me.
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  • He's the one who has given melife beyond what I deserve.
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  • And if all youwanna say to me is
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  • "You're goin' to be with Jesus,"that's all right.
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  • Just take me; wherever it is,
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  • just take meto be with Jesus, amen?
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  • Now, I need to knowall these other things.
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  • It's important,but far more important is this:
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  • after going to great lengthsto explain
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  • the details of the rapture,
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  • this same apostle Paul
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  • summarized it allwith these words.
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  • He said, "And wewho are alive and remain
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  • shall be caught up togetherwith him in the clouds
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  • to meet the Lord in the air.
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  • And thus we will always bewith the Lord," amen.
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  • I'm so excited to know
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  • that the Jesus who walks with meevery day,
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  • who I talk with all the time,is one day gonna be with me,
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  • and I'm gonna bewith him permanently
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  • in intimate,personal fellowship.
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  • The priorityof the presence of Jesus--
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  • and one last thingthat I must tell you,
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  • and that's the permanenceof personal decisions.
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  • The Lord Jesus has made itvery clear that we can know him
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  • and spend eternitywith him forever,
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  • but whatever we do,we better do it now
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  • because this isthe day of opportunity.
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  • Today is the day of salvation.
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  • announcer: Dr. Jeremiahwill return in a moment
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  • to close today's programright after this.
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  • announcer: There area lot of myths, rumors,
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  • and conjectureabout heaven,
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  • announcer: And nowwith one last word
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  • for today's program,here is Dr. Jeremiah.
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: Some thingsin life happen
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  • without our choosing them.
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  • For instance, the Bible says wedon't have to choose
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  • to spend eternity in hell.
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  • Because we are sinners,that is our eternal destination
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  • unless we chooseto interrupt that outcome.
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  • How do we choosenot to spend eternity in hell?
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  • By choosingto spend it in heaven
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  • through faith in Jesus Christ.
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  • I hope you have made that choice
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  • and are securein your eternal future,
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  • that you have placedyour faith in Christ alone.
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  • I have two resourcesthat will encourage you
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  • on the way to heaven:
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  • Dr. Jeremiah: As we are nowin our current bodies,
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  • we couldn't functionin the realm of heaven,
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  • but God is gonna give usnew real bodies
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  • like the ones we have,
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  • only completely made over,transformed,
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  • and no longer governedby our appetites of the flesh,
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  • but governed nowby the appetites of the Spirit.
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  • announcer: Thank youfor being with us today.
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  • Join us next timefor Dr. Jeremiah's message,
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  • "The UltimateExtreme Make-Over,"
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  • here on "Turning Point."
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  • ♪♪♪
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