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August 12, 2019
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Ravi Zacharias

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  • - OKAY.
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  • WE'LL START
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  • WITH ONE OF THE QUESTIONS,
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  • WHICH HAS BEEN MOST VOTED
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  • FOR BY THE ONLINE AUDIENCE,
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  • AND THEN WE'LL GO
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  • TO A LIVE QUESTION AFTER THAT.
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  • IF YOU DO HAVE A LIVE QUESTION,
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  • FEEL FREE TO HEAD
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  • JUST TO THE MICROPHONE HERE
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  • IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM.
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  • SO THE FIRST QUESTION
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  • FOR YOU BOTH,
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  • WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO.
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  • AMERICAN CHRISTIANITY
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  • SEEMS LIKE A FAITH
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  • DULLED BY AFFLUENCE AND COMFORT.
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  • IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US
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  • IN THE U.S. TO EXPERIENCE GOD
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  • IN A SIMILAR WAY
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  • TO THE OTHER STORIES
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  • THAT WE HEARD TODAY
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  • - WELL, I'M SURE FRANCIS
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  • WANT TO ADD TO THIS A LOT
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  • OF HIS TRAVEL.
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  • I THINK THERE ARE TWO WAYS
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  • TO LOOK AT IT, VINCE,
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  • THAT WOULD BE MY INITIAL TAKE
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  • 'CAUSE I'VE JUST HEARD
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  • THE QUESTION.
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  • ON THE ONE HAND,
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  • IT'S EASY TO COME DOWN HARD,
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  • YOU KNOW,
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  • ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
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  • IT'S SORT OF AN EASY GAME
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  • AND AN EASY TARGET.
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  • BUT THERE ARE TWO SIDES
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  • TO THAT.
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  • THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
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  • IT IS EASY
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  • TO GET TOO COMFORTABLE
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  • IN WHAT WE HAVE.
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  • IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE
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  • IT'S AMERICAN CHRISTIANITY,
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  • BUT IT'S THE WAY
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  • WE LIVE IN AMERICA.
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  • THINGS ARE MORE ACCESSIBLE
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  • AND ACTUALLY,
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  • IN MANY WAYS MORE AFFORDABLE,
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  • YOU'RE TALKING
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  • ABOUT RESTAURANTS,
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  • TALKING ABOUT AUTOMOBILES,
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  • TALKING ABOUT HOMES,
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  • AND ACCESSIBILITY
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  • TO ALL OF THE GADGETS
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  • OF OUR TIME.
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  • YES, IT IS POSSIBLE,
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  • BUT THAT'S NOT JUST IN AMERICA,
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  • THAT'S POSSIBLE IN MANY PARTS
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  • OF EUROPE AS WELL.
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  • SO IT'S EASY TO START
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  • CLIMBING UP THE WRONG TREE
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  • AND LOOKING FOR THE FRUIT
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  • ON THAT TREE AND THINKING
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  • YOU HAVE ALL THAT YOU NEED.
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  • LET ME SWITCH THE METAPHOR
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  • A BIT FIRST
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  • AND THEN GET BACK TO THIS.
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  • ON THE OTHER HAND,
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  • VERY FEW PARTS
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  • OF THE WORLD TODAY
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  • WOULD REALLY HAVE HEARD
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  • THE GOSPEL THE WAY
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  • THEY HAVE IF IT WASN'T
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  • FOR AMERICAN GENEROSITY AS WELL.
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  • THAT'S REALLY
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  • AN OFTEN FORGOTTEN THING.
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  • I'M ONE OF THOSE WHO WAS BLESSED
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  • BY THE GIVING IN CANADA
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  • AND THE UNITED STATES.
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  • I CAME TO KNOW THE LORD
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  • IN INDIA,
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  • BUT THEY WERE MISSIONARIES
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  • FROM CANADA
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  • AND THE UNITED STATES THERE
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  • WHO REACHED MY PARENTS,
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  • WHO REACHED US,
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  • AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE PEOPLE
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  • HERE HAVE GROWN UP
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  • WITH AN ATTITUDE OF GIVING.
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  • THAT'S ONE OF AMERICA'S
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  • GREATEST GIFTS.
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  • IN FACT, SOMETIMES A GIFT
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  • THAT'S ALMOST ABUSED.
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  • WE DON'T EVEN THINK
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  • TO WHAT IT IS WE ARE GIVING,
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  • WE JUST SEE A NEED
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  • AND START GIVING
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  • WITHOUT DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY
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  • AT THE SAME TIME.
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  • SO IT'S BEEN A GENEROUS HEART.
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  • IF YOU LOOK AT THE WORK,
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  • FOR EXAMPLE IN INDOCHINA,
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  • VIETNAM, CAMBODIA, LAOS,
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  • AND ALL OF THOSE COUNTRIES
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  • WHERE THE MISSIONARIES
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  • WENT FROM HERE AGAIN
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  • FROM NORTH AMERICA,
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  • THE SEEDS THAT WERE SOWN.
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  • I WAS IN VIETNAM IN MARCH
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  • IN HO CHI MINH CITY,
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  • AND MARGIE AND I,
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  • THAT'S THE FIRST TIME
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  • SHE WAS THERE.
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  • I WAS THERE IN THE 70S
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  • DURING THE WAR.
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  • AND THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN
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  • SHOWING US AROUND
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  • AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
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  • HOW TOUGH LIFE
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  • IS FOR SOMEONE IN THE CITY,
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  • HOW ALL RIGHT IT IS
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  • FOR THE OTHERS.
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  • AND SO I LOOKED AT HIM
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  • AND I SAID,
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  • "ARE YOU FAMILIAR
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  • WITH TIN LANH?"
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  • TIN LANH LITERALLY,
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  • I'M NOT SURE I'M PRONOUNCING
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  • IT CORRECTLY WITH THE KIND
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  • OF ACCENTS THEY HAVE AND SO ON,
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  • BUT IT MEANS GOOD NEWS.
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  • AND I BELONG
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  • TO THE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY
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  • ALLIANCE AND THE CMA CHURCHES
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  • THEY WERE CALLED TIN LANH.
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  • THEY WERE THE MAJOR EVANGELICAL
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  • PROTESTANT CHURCH OF VIETNAM.
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  • SO I JUST SAID TO HIM,
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  • "ARE YOU FAMILIAR
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  • WITH TIN LANH?"
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  • AND HE LOOKED AT ME
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  • RATHER SHOCKED.
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  • HE SAID, "MY GRANDFATHER
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  • USED TO ATTEND
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  • A TIN LANH CHURCH,
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  • MY FATHER ATTENDED,
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  • AND I GREW UP
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  • IN A TIN LANH CHURCH."
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  • JUST A PERSON
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  • OUT OF THE BLUE, YOU KNOW.
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  • AND THERE ARE GRAVES
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  • IN VIETNAM BECAUSE
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  • OF AMERICAN MISSIONARIES.
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  • I'VE SEEN THEM THE --
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  • ON THE DMZ AND GIO LINH
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  • QUANG TRI AND SO ON.
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  • THEY WERE THE ONES THAT WERE
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  • THE LAST ONES TO LEAVE.
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  • THEY WERE AIRLIFTED
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  • OUT OF THE EMBASSY THERE.
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  • THEY WORK IN CAMBODIA,
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  • GREAT WORK.
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  • AND THEN CANADIAN
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  • MISSIONARIES AS WELL.
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  • SO THEY HAVE DONE
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  • A LOT ACROSS THE DECADES.
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  • OUR ROLE MAY BE CHANGING NOW.
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  • OUR ROLE MAY NOT BE SO MUCH
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  • IN DOING EVANGELISM
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  • AS ENABLING EVANGELISM
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  • BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF FINE
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  • CROP OF NATIONALS
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  • AND OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
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  • SO, YES, IT IS POSSIBLE
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  • FOR US TO GET TOO COMFORTABLE.
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  • BUT I ALSO WANNA SAY
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  • A BIG THANK YOU FOR THE WAY
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  • THIS COUNTRY HAS SUPPORTED
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  • THE CAUSE OF WORLD MISSIONS
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  • ALL OVER THE GLOBE
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  • AND WE CANNOT GAIN SAY
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  • THAT SIDE OF IT.
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  • THERE ARE ALSO
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  • GREAT PRAYER WARRIORS HERE.
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  • WHEREVER I GO,
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  • I SEE PEOPLE WHO SAY
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  • WE'RE PRAYING FOR YOU.
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  • SO IT COULD BECOME
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  • AN EASY TARGET TO SAY YES,
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  • BUT THE RISK IS THERE,
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  • ALWAYS THERE WHENEVER
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  • YOU HAVE PLENTIFUL IN SUPPLY.
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  • WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT
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  • AS FROM THE HAND OF GOD
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  • AND NOT SEE IT AS A LICENSE
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  • TO GET FREE
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  • OF ANY RESPONSIBILITY.
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  • - YEAH, I THINK OF --
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  • I THINK IT'S DEUTERONOMY 8
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  • WHEN, YOU KNOW,
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  • GOD'S TELLING ISRAEL,
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  • "YOU'RE GONNA GO INTO THIS LAND.
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  • YOU'RE GONNA GET
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  • ALL THIS STUFF.
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  • AND HERE'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
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  • YOU'RE GONNA START ENJOYING IT
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  • THEN AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME,
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  • YOU'RE GONNA START THINKING
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  • THAT YOU EARNED IT
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  • AND YOU DID THIS FOR YOURSELF
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  • AND YOU'RE GONNA FORGET
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  • YOUR NEED FOR ME."
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  • YOU'RE JUST GONNA FORGET ABOUT.
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  • THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT --
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  • IT'S NOT IT --
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  • I CAN'T SAY IT'S OUR FAULT.
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  • I MEAN, WE LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY
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  • AND THERE ARE JUST
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  • A LOT OF COMFORTS
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  • THAT COME OUR WAY.
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  • AND I THINK SCRIPTURE
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  • WARNS AGAINST
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  • SOME OF THOSE RICHES
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  • AND HOW THEY CAN DEADEN YOU
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  • AND PLACE YOUR HEART
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  • TO WHERE SUDDENLY YOU TREASURE
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  • YOUR LIFE HERE
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  • MORE THAN THE ONE TO COME.
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  • I MEAN, HONESTLY,
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  • WHEN OUR BROTHERS
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  • FROM NIGERIA
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  • WERE JUST SPEAKING UP HERE,
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  • PART OF MY CONCERN WAS LIKE,
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  • "GOSH, YOU LIVE
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  • SUCH AN AMAZING, AMAZING LIFE
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  • WHAT GOD'S DONE THROUGH."
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  • I ALMOST WAS FEARFUL OF THEM
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  • BEING IN A POSITION
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  • LIKE THIS SITTING
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  • IN AN AIR-CONDITIONED ROOM
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  • WITH THEIR SUITS ON
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  • ANSWERING QUESTIONS,
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  • BEING APPLAUDED
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  • BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE WORLD
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  • YOU COME FROM.
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  • AND I GO, "AW, LORD, PLEASE,
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  • DON'T LET THIS WEAKEN
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  • BECAUSE IT CAN."
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  • AND SO I PRAYED FOR YOU,
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  • BROTHERS, GOING,
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  • "PLEASE, PLEASE, LORD,
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  • KEEP THAT PASSION.
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  • WE NEED THAT."
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  • AND THERE IS SOMETHING
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  • ABOUT OUR CULTURE
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  • THAT CAN SOFTEN US.
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  • WE KNOW THAT,
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  • AND YET WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT.
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  • DOES THAT MEAN WE JUST RESOLVE
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  • AND GO, "WELL,
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  • I LIVE IN AMERICA,
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  • WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR
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  • IN OUR WALK WITH THE LORD
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  • 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT PERSECUTED."
  • 00:07:18.080 --> 00:07:19.190
  • ABSOLUTELY, NOT.
  • 00:07:19.190 --> 00:07:22.040
  • BUT THERE ARE THINGS
  • 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:23.210
  • WE NEED TO DO
  • 00:07:23.210 --> 00:07:25.140
  • JUST EVEN IN OUR OWN
  • 00:07:25.140 --> 00:07:26.140
  • PRAYER LIVES.
  • 00:07:26.140 --> 00:07:27.220
  • WHEN SCRIPTURE SAYS,
  • 00:07:27.220 --> 00:07:28.160
  • YOU KNOW, "TO BE SOBER-MINDED
  • 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.190
  • AND SELF-CONTROLLED
  • 00:07:30.190 --> 00:07:32.070
  • FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR PRAYERS."
  • 00:07:32.070 --> 00:07:33.270
  • AND THAT THOUGHT
  • 00:07:33.270 --> 00:07:35.090
  • OF BEING CLEAR-MINDED,
  • 00:07:35.090 --> 00:07:36.180
  • RATHER THAN FILLING YOUR MIND
  • 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:38.110
  • WITH MINDLESS TEXTS
  • 00:07:38.170 --> 00:07:41.170
  • AND FACEBOOK POSTS
  • 00:07:41.170 --> 00:07:42.290
  • AND VIDEOS AND MOVIES
  • 00:07:42.290 --> 00:07:45.140
  • AND SO WHERE IT'S TIME TO PRAY -
  • 00:07:45.140 --> 00:07:47.270
  • AND WE HAVE ALL
  • 00:07:47.270 --> 00:07:48.140
  • OF THESE COMFORTS
  • 00:07:48.140 --> 00:07:49.050
  • AND ALL OF THESE THINGS
  • 00:07:49.050 --> 00:07:49.290
  • THAT WE CAN ENJOY,
  • 00:07:49.290 --> 00:07:51.190
  • AND NOW IT'S TIME TO PRAY
  • 00:07:51.190 --> 00:07:53.020
  • AND TO BE SOBER-MINDED,
  • 00:07:53.020 --> 00:07:55.050
  • WE'RE LIKE,
  • 00:07:55.050 --> 00:07:55.230
  • OUR MIND IS GOING EVERYWHERE,
  • 00:07:55.230 --> 00:07:58.100
  • AND WE LOSE TOUCH
  • 00:07:58.100 --> 00:07:59.210
  • WITH REALITY.
  • 00:07:59.210 --> 00:08:01.060
  • AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
  • 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:03.070
  • THAT'S WHAT KEEPS US
  • 00:08:03.070 --> 00:08:05.010
  • FROM SOME OF THIS DEPTH
  • 00:08:05.010 --> 00:08:06.260
  • AND THIS TIME WITH THE LORD.
  • 00:08:06.260 --> 00:08:08.020
  • I SEE IT,
  • 00:08:08.020 --> 00:08:09.050
  • I FEEL IT SLIPPING AWAY.
  • 00:08:09.050 --> 00:08:11.190
  • AND, AGAIN, IT'S --
  • 00:08:11.190 --> 00:08:13.090
  • I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID
  • 00:08:13.090 --> 00:08:15.210
  • ABOUT THINKING
  • 00:08:15.210 --> 00:08:17.010
  • ABOUT EVERYTHING THE COUNTRY
  • 00:08:17.010 --> 00:08:18.270
  • HAS DONE IN A GOOD WAY.
  • 00:08:18.270 --> 00:08:21.110
  • AND I --
  • 00:08:21.110 --> 00:08:22.210
  • I PERSONALLY TOO,
  • 00:08:22.210 --> 00:08:23.220
  • I WANNA APOLOGIZE
  • 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:25.130
  • IF I EVER COME ACROSS
  • 00:08:25.130 --> 00:08:26.150
  • LIKE I'M JUST MAD,
  • 00:08:26.150 --> 00:08:27.210
  • YOU KNOW, LIKE, "GOSH,
  • 00:08:27.210 --> 00:08:29.090
  • WE'RE SO MESSED UP,
  • 00:08:29.090 --> 00:08:30.190
  • BUT..." AND --
  • 00:08:30.190 --> 00:08:31.190
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:08:31.190 --> 00:08:33.050
  • BUT IT'S HARD SOMETIMES
  • 00:08:33.050 --> 00:08:34.120
  • WHEN YOU GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES
  • 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:35.220
  • AND THEN WHAT
  • 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:36.150
  • I'VE LEARNED IS OKAY,
  • 00:08:36.150 --> 00:08:37.150
  • WE'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED
  • 00:08:37.150 --> 00:08:39.130
  • TO SEE A LOT OF THAT
  • 00:08:39.130 --> 00:08:41.150
  • AND MEET PEOPLE,
  • 00:08:41.150 --> 00:08:43.270
  • SAINTS, DEAR SAINTS,
  • 00:08:43.270 --> 00:08:45.250
  • AROUND THE WORLD
  • 00:08:45.250 --> 00:08:46.290
  • THAT HAVE SUFFERED
  • 00:08:46.290 --> 00:08:47.170
  • SO MUCH FOR THE GOSPEL
  • 00:08:47.170 --> 00:08:49.180
  • THAT IT JUST GETS US
  • 00:08:49.180 --> 00:08:51.200
  • SO EXCITED TO BE --
  • 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:52.240
  • TO WANNA BE LIKE THEM.
  • 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.220
  • AND NOT EVERYONE
  • 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:55.170
  • HAS THAT PRIVILEGE
  • 00:08:55.170 --> 00:08:57.230
  • TO SEE THAT OR EXPERIENCE THAT
  • 00:08:57.230 --> 00:08:59.220
  • AND TO FEEL THEIR PAIN
  • 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:01.210
  • AND SEE THEIR INTIMACY
  • 00:09:01.210 --> 00:09:03.160
  • WITH CHRIST.
  • 00:09:03.160 --> 00:09:04.180
  • AND SO SOMETIMES
  • 00:09:04.180 --> 00:09:06.120
  • IN COMING BACK HERE,
  • 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:07.280
  • I JUST WANTED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW
  • 00:09:07.280 --> 00:09:09.240
  • WHAT IS POSSIBLE
  • 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.150
  • AND I REALLY BELIEVE
  • 00:09:11.150 --> 00:09:12.280
  • IT IS POSSIBLE HERE.
  • 00:09:12.280 --> 00:09:14.170
  • IT'S --
  • 00:09:14.170 --> 00:09:15.110
  • BUT OUR COMFORTS
  • 00:09:15.110 --> 00:09:17.110
  • AND OUR RICHES
  • 00:09:17.110 --> 00:09:18.200
  • REALLY DO FIGHT AGAINST US
  • 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.220
  • IN OUR QUEST FOR THAT.
  • 00:09:20.220 --> 00:09:23.060
  • - THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.
  • 00:09:23.060 --> 00:09:24.040
  • THAT'S --
  • 00:09:24.040 --> 00:09:25.050
  • IF THAT'S MAD,
  • 00:09:25.050 --> 00:09:25.270
  • YOU'RE WELCOME TO GET MAD
  • 00:09:25.270 --> 00:09:26.290
  • AT ME ANYTIME.
  • 00:09:26.290 --> 00:09:28.170
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:28.170 --> 00:09:29.200
  • I HAVE A T-SHIRT,
  • 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:30.150
  • WHICH RAVI'S DAUGHTER
  • 00:09:30.150 --> 00:09:32.090
  • BOUGHT FOR ME ACTUALLY --
  • 00:09:32.090 --> 00:09:34.000
  • OH, NO, IT WAS MARGIE.
  • 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:34.280
  • IT WAS RAVI'S WIFE, MARGIE,
  • 00:09:34.280 --> 00:09:36.020
  • BOUGHT FOR ME THAT SAYS,
  • 00:09:36.020 --> 00:09:37.070
  • "I'M NOT YELLING,
  • 00:09:37.070 --> 00:09:37.230
  • I'M JUST ITALIAN."
  • 00:09:37.230 --> 00:09:39.090
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:41.070
  • SO THAT'S THAT.
  • 00:09:41.070 --> 00:09:41.290
  • - YOU KNOW
  • 00:09:41.290 --> 00:09:42.170
  • WHAT I LIKE ABOUT FRANCIS,
  • 00:09:42.170 --> 00:09:44.220
  • HIS PASSION MAKES ME FEEL LIKE
  • 00:09:44.220 --> 00:09:47.170
  • I'M SIDING INTO OBLIVION.
  • 00:09:47.180 --> 00:09:50.180
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:50.180 --> 00:09:52.050
  • HE'S LIKE A CONDUCTOR
  • 00:09:52.050 --> 00:09:53.150
  • AND THE WHOLE WORLD
  • 00:09:53.150 --> 00:09:54.030
  • IS HIS ORCHESTRA.
  • 00:09:54.030 --> 00:09:54.290
  • I LOVE THAT.
  • 00:09:54.290 --> 00:09:56.090
  • I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.
  • 00:09:56.090 --> 00:09:57.030
  • I USED TO BE LIKE THAT,
  • 00:09:57.030 --> 00:09:58.090
  • THEN I GOT OLDER.
  • 00:09:58.090 --> 00:09:59.140
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:59.170 --> 00:10:02.170
  • YEAH, WELL,
  • 00:10:02.170 --> 00:10:03.060
  • CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING
  • 00:10:03.060 --> 00:10:04.000
  • ON THAT JUST SO THAT
  • 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:05.090
  • WE DON'T LOSE THE IDEALS
  • 00:10:05.090 --> 00:10:07.220
  • FOR ALL OF US.
  • 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:11.120
  • THERE ARE PARTS OF THE WORLD
  • 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:12.120
  • THAT DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH,
  • 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:13.240
  • VINCE, AS YOU WELL KNOW
  • 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:15.080
  • WHEN WE TRAVEL,
  • 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:16.270
  • BUT THEY HAVE THEIR ISSUES.
  • 00:10:16.270 --> 00:10:18.130
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:10:18.130 --> 00:10:19.070
  • - THEY REALLY
  • 00:10:19.070 --> 00:10:19.220
  • HAVE THEIR OWN ISSUES.
  • 00:10:19.220 --> 00:10:20.250
  • THERE ARE SO MANY POCKETS
  • 00:10:20.250 --> 00:10:22.020
  • OF DIVISION IN SOME PARTS
  • 00:10:22.020 --> 00:10:23.290
  • OF THE WORLD IN THE CHURCH.
  • 00:10:23.290 --> 00:10:25.220
  • THEY'RE SO DIVIDED, EVERYBODY.
  • 00:10:25.220 --> 00:10:27.160
  • YOU KNOW, THEY SAY
  • 00:10:27.160 --> 00:10:28.120
  • WHEN THE TIDE IS LOW,
  • 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:29.120
  • EVERY SHRIMP HAS ITS OWN PUDDLE.
  • 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:31.160
  • AND YOU GOT
  • 00:10:31.160 --> 00:10:32.120
  • ALL THESE LITTLE PUDDLES
  • 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:33.190
  • ALL OVER THE PLACE
  • 00:10:33.190 --> 00:10:35.070
  • AND WE ARE SO DIVIDED.
  • 00:10:35.070 --> 00:10:37.190
  • MAYBE THE GREATEST NEED
  • 00:10:37.190 --> 00:10:38.170
  • FOR THE HOUR
  • 00:10:38.170 --> 00:10:40.020
  • IS THAT WE BE ONE
  • 00:10:40.020 --> 00:10:41.230
  • IN OUR BELIEF
  • 00:10:41.230 --> 00:10:42.180
  • AND IN OUR PASSION
  • 00:10:42.180 --> 00:10:44.030
  • AND IN OUR PROPAGATION.
  • 00:10:44.030 --> 00:10:45.110
  • THE PARTS
  • 00:10:45.110 --> 00:10:45.250
  • OF THE WORLD YOU --
  • 00:10:45.250 --> 00:10:46.210
  • GO TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
  • 00:10:46.210 --> 00:10:48.040
  • I MEAN, THE TENSIONS
  • 00:10:48.040 --> 00:10:49.030
  • WITHIN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY
  • 00:10:49.030 --> 00:10:50.170
  • THERE ARE PRETTY BAD.
  • 00:10:50.170 --> 00:10:52.120
  • ALL LITTLE POCKETS OF CRITIQUES
  • 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.100
  • AND CRITICISMS AND ALL OF THAT.
  • 00:10:55.100 --> 00:10:57.060
  • SATAN WORKS
  • 00:10:57.060 --> 00:10:58.130
  • IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
  • 00:10:58.130 --> 00:10:59.190
  • YOU KNOW, HE MAY USE
  • 00:10:59.190 --> 00:11:01.020
  • OUR WELL-BEING IN ORDER
  • 00:11:01.020 --> 00:11:02.230
  • TO MITIGATE THE FORCE
  • 00:11:02.230 --> 00:11:04.180
  • OF THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:11:04.180 --> 00:11:05.120
  • THERE HE MAY USE THAT SENSE
  • 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.070
  • OF AUTONOMY TO DRIVE
  • 00:11:07.070 --> 00:11:08.290
  • A WEDGE INTO SOMEBODY ELSE.
  • 00:11:08.290 --> 00:11:10.160
  • THE ENEMY OF OUR SOULS
  • 00:11:10.160 --> 00:11:12.200
  • IS PRETTY SHREWD AND KNOWS
  • 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.040
  • WHAT TO USE OF WHICH TO ATTACK
  • 00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:17.030
  • A LOCAL SETTING
  • 00:11:17.030 --> 00:11:18.090
  • OF THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:11:18.090 --> 00:11:19.090
  • YEP.
  • 00:11:19.090 --> 00:11:19.250
  • - GREAT.
  • 00:11:19.250 --> 00:11:20.110
  • THIS QUESTION SAYS
  • 00:11:21.020 --> 00:11:22.080
  • THE GOSPEL OF JOHN SAYS
  • 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.200
  • WE WILL BE KNOWN BY OUR LOVE,
  • 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:28.120
  • YET OUR CULTURE
  • 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.100
  • HAS REDEFINED LOVE
  • 00:11:29.100 --> 00:11:30.260
  • TO BE SOMETHING
  • 00:11:30.260 --> 00:11:31.240
  • WE CAN'T TOLERATE.
  • 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.150
  • HOW DO WE DISCUSS
  • 00:11:33.150 --> 00:11:34.180
  • THE DEFINITION OF LOVE
  • 00:11:34.180 --> 00:11:37.000
  • - THAT MAY BE THE CHALLENGE
  • 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.000
  • OF THE HOUR FOR US
  • 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.230
  • BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:11:43.230 --> 00:11:45.250
  • OUR PERSECUTION HERE
  • 00:11:45.250 --> 00:11:48.060
  • IS OF A DIFFERENT KIND.
  • 00:11:48.060 --> 00:11:50.130
  • IT'S NOT SO MUCH SO OFTEN
  • 00:11:50.130 --> 00:11:52.050
  • WHERE OUR HOMES
  • 00:11:52.050 --> 00:11:52.290
  • MAYBE SURROUNDED
  • 00:11:52.290 --> 00:11:54.090
  • BY PHYSICAL THREAT,
  • 00:11:54.090 --> 00:11:56.070
  • BUT THERE'S A LOT
  • 00:11:56.070 --> 00:11:56.260
  • OF EMOTIONAL PRESSURE
  • 00:11:56.260 --> 00:11:58.090
  • PUT ON OUR CHILDREN
  • 00:11:58.090 --> 00:11:59.150
  • AND ON OUR FAMILIES
  • 00:11:59.150 --> 00:12:00.210
  • AND ON OUR VALUES.
  • 00:12:00.210 --> 00:12:02.140
  • THE WAY CULTURE IS WEIGHING
  • 00:12:02.140 --> 00:12:04.090
  • IN ON ALMOST EVERY ISSUE SEEMS
  • 00:12:04.100 --> 00:12:07.100
  • TO BE CONTRA-CHRISTIAN FAITH,
  • 00:12:08.090 --> 00:12:11.090
  • ANYTHING BUT
  • 00:12:11.090 --> 00:12:12.060
  • THE CHRISTIAN FAITH.
  • 00:12:12.060 --> 00:12:13.150
  • BUT I THINK THIS LENDS ITSELF
  • 00:12:14.010 --> 00:12:17.010
  • TO THE EXPRESSION
  • 00:12:17.010 --> 00:12:18.000
  • OF LOVE AND GRACE.
  • 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.120
  • AS YOU WELL KNOW, VINCE,
  • 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:21.290
  • AND THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES
  • 00:12:21.290 --> 00:12:23.170
  • AND OF COURSE,
  • 00:12:23.170 --> 00:12:24.090
  • FRANCIS DOES THIS SO MUCH
  • 00:12:24.090 --> 00:12:25.200
  • IN HIS PREACHING
  • 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.220
  • AND IN HIS PASTORAL WORK
  • 00:12:27.220 --> 00:12:29.090
  • AND IN HIS BOOKS,
  • 00:12:29.090 --> 00:12:30.240
  • WE HAVE NO OPTION.
  • 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.230
  • THE OPTION IS REALLY EITHER
  • 00:12:32.230 --> 00:12:35.030
  • TO COMMUNICATE
  • 00:12:35.030 --> 00:12:35.170
  • THE GOSPEL EFFECTIVELY
  • 00:12:35.170 --> 00:12:37.010
  • OR LOSE THE IMPACT
  • 00:12:37.010 --> 00:12:38.070
  • OF THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:12:38.070 --> 00:12:39.160
  • THE OPTION FOR US
  • 00:12:39.160 --> 00:12:40.250
  • SHOULD JUST BE ONE.
  • 00:12:40.250 --> 00:12:42.040
  • AND YOU AND I WELL KNOW
  • 00:12:42.040 --> 00:12:43.230
  • SO OFTEN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED
  • 00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:46.000
  • IN A VERY INTIMIDATING WAY
  • 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.220
  • OR A CONTRA-WORLDVIEW WAY.
  • 00:12:48.220 --> 00:12:50.250
  • AND THE TEMPTATION
  • 00:12:50.250 --> 00:12:53.080
  • IS TO FLY OFF THE HANDLE
  • 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:54.200
  • AND TO FIGHT BACK
  • 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:55.160
  • AND TO RESIST.
  • 00:12:55.160 --> 00:12:56.190
  • AND WE HAVE TO VERY --
  • 00:12:56.190 --> 00:12:58.240
  • I TELL MY COLLEAGUES,
  • 00:12:58.280 --> 00:13:02.000
  • WE'RE NOT ANSWERING A QUESTION,
  • 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:03.270
  • WE'RE ANSWERING
  • 00:13:03.270 --> 00:13:04.210
  • A QUESTIONER.
  • 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:06.020
  • AND WE REMIND OURSELVES
  • 00:13:06.020 --> 00:13:07.200
  • THAT WHEN YOU'RE ANSWERING
  • 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.170
  • A PERSON,
  • 00:13:09.170 --> 00:13:11.040
  • YOU LITERALLY
  • 00:13:11.040 --> 00:13:11.270
  • AND FIGURATIVELY
  • 00:13:11.270 --> 00:13:13.070
  • ARE PUTTING THEIR ARMS --
  • 00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:15.140
  • YOUR ARMS AROUND THEM.
  • 00:13:15.140 --> 00:13:16.250
  • YOU HAVE TO DRAW THEM CLOSE.
  • 00:13:16.250 --> 00:13:18.040
  • YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM FEEL
  • 00:13:18.040 --> 00:13:19.040
  • YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THEM,
  • 00:13:19.040 --> 00:13:20.280
  • THAT THIS IS NOT JUST
  • 00:13:20.280 --> 00:13:21.260
  • A MECHANISTIC RESPONSE
  • 00:13:21.260 --> 00:13:23.100
  • YOU'RE GIVING,
  • 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:24.090
  • BUT YOUR INTEREST
  • 00:13:24.090 --> 00:13:25.290
  • IS THAT IN THEIR HEARING.
  • 00:13:25.290 --> 00:13:27.180
  • THEY HEAR HOW MUCH
  • 00:13:27.180 --> 00:13:28.230
  • YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THEM.
  • 00:13:28.230 --> 00:13:30.260
  • ONCE UPON A TIME,
  • 00:13:30.260 --> 00:13:31.240
  • THE QUESTIONS
  • 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:32.110
  • WERE RATHER THEORETICAL.
  • 00:13:33.130 --> 00:13:36.130
  • YOU COULD GET AWAY
  • 00:13:36.130 --> 00:13:37.020
  • WITH THEORETICAL ANSWERS.
  • 00:13:37.020 --> 00:13:38.290
  • BUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS TODAY
  • 00:13:38.290 --> 00:13:40.140
  • HAVE VERY MANY
  • 00:13:40.140 --> 00:13:41.090
  • PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS.
  • 00:13:41.090 --> 00:13:43.120
  • THEY ARE MUCH MORE
  • 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:44.080
  • EXISTENTIALLY DRIVEN
  • 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:45.210
  • AND EXPERIENTIALLY DENSE.
  • 00:13:45.210 --> 00:13:47.210
  • SO OUR CHALLENGE IS TO MAKE
  • 00:13:47.210 --> 00:13:50.020
  • THEM REALIZE THAT WHILE
  • 00:13:50.020 --> 00:13:51.130
  • OUR WORLDVIEW MAY BE DIFFERENT,
  • 00:13:51.130 --> 00:13:53.130
  • THE IMPERATIVE OF OUR WORLDVIEW
  • 00:13:53.130 --> 00:13:55.120
  • IS TO LOVE THOSE WHO OPPOSE
  • 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.000
  • AND LOVE THOSE
  • 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:58.030
  • WHO STAND AGAINST US.
  • 00:13:58.030 --> 00:14:00.120
  • SO LOVE HAS TO EXTEND ITSELF
  • 00:14:01.220 --> 00:14:04.220
  • IN THE WAY YOU ANSWER
  • 00:14:04.220 --> 00:14:06.220
  • AND LOVE HAS TO EXTEND ITSELF
  • 00:14:06.220 --> 00:14:08.290
  • IN THE AVAILABILITY
  • 00:14:08.290 --> 00:14:10.180
  • YOU HAVE FOR THE PERSON THROUGH
  • 00:14:10.180 --> 00:14:12.110
  • A CONTINUED DIALOGUE
  • 00:14:12.110 --> 00:14:13.290
  • ON THE SAME ISSUE
  • 00:14:13.290 --> 00:14:15.070
  • SO THAT YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE
  • 00:14:15.070 --> 00:14:16.220
  • THAT LOVE OVER A PERIOD
  • 00:14:16.220 --> 00:14:18.040
  • OF PATIENCE
  • 00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:19.040
  • AND OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
  • 00:14:19.040 --> 00:14:20.180
  • THAT'S THE WAY
  • 00:14:20.180 --> 00:14:21.020
  • I WOULD SEE IT.
  • 00:14:21.020 --> 00:14:22.260
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:14:22.260 --> 00:14:23.140
  • WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT
  • 00:14:23.140 --> 00:14:25.040
  • IS WRITTEN IN JOHN,
  • 00:14:25.040 --> 00:14:26.000
  • YOU KNOW, JESUS SAYS,
  • 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:27.280
  • "A NEW COMMANDMENT
  • 00:14:27.280 --> 00:14:28.230
  • I GIVE TO YOU
  • 00:14:28.230 --> 00:14:29.120
  • THAT YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER
  • 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.030
  • JUST AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.
  • 00:14:31.030 --> 00:14:32.260
  • YOU ALSO ARE TO LOVE
  • 00:14:32.260 --> 00:14:34.050
  • ONE ANOTHER.
  • 00:14:34.050 --> 00:14:34.260
  • BY THIS, ALL PEOPLE
  • 00:14:34.260 --> 00:14:36.090
  • WILL KNOW
  • 00:14:36.090 --> 00:14:36.250
  • THAT YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES
  • 00:14:36.250 --> 00:14:38.030
  • IF YOU HAVE LOVE
  • 00:14:38.030 --> 00:14:39.240
  • FOR ONE ANOTHER."
  • 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.090
  • AND SO, THE LOVE
  • 00:14:41.090 --> 00:14:42.190
  • IN THAT PASSAGE ANYWAY
  • 00:14:42.190 --> 00:14:45.050
  • IS TALKING ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:14:45.050 --> 00:14:47.010
  • - MM-HMM.
  • 00:14:47.010 --> 00:14:47.250
  • - ABOUT --
  • 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:48.200
  • IT'S TRUE THAT
  • 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:51.070
  • LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD
  • 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:52.130
  • IF I CONFRONT ANY TYPE
  • 00:14:52.130 --> 00:14:53.190
  • OF SIN IN THEIR LIFE,
  • 00:14:53.190 --> 00:14:55.030
  • THEY WOULD SEE THAT AS UNLOVING.
  • 00:14:55.030 --> 00:14:57.000
  • THERE'S NOTHING YOU --
  • 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:57.230
  • THERE'S NOTHING
  • 00:14:57.230 --> 00:14:58.190
  • WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:14:58.190 --> 00:14:59.270
  • THAT'S JUST THE WAY
  • 00:14:59.270 --> 00:15:00.170
  • THEY HAVE REDEFINED LOVE.
  • 00:15:00.170 --> 00:15:02.170
  • BUT WHAT WE CAN CONTROL
  • 00:15:02.170 --> 00:15:03.250
  • IS IN THE CHURCH.
  • 00:15:03.250 --> 00:15:05.060
  • THAT WE ARE HONEST
  • 00:15:05.060 --> 00:15:06.030
  • WITH ONE ANOTHER.
  • 00:15:06.030 --> 00:15:07.030
  • BUT HE SAYS THE WAY
  • 00:15:07.030 --> 00:15:07.280
  • THAT THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW
  • 00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:09.010
  • THAT YOU'RE MY DISCIPLES
  • 00:15:09.010 --> 00:15:12.000
  • IS THIS,
  • 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:14.090
  • AND THIS IS WHERE
  • 00:15:14.090 --> 00:15:14.290
  • WE'RE LOSING IT.
  • 00:15:14.290 --> 00:15:16.140
  • YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT
  • 00:15:16.140 --> 00:15:17.040
  • THE OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE,
  • 00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:19.030
  • YOU KNOW, DIVIDING IN THEIR
  • 00:15:19.030 --> 00:15:21.250
  • DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS
  • 00:15:21.250 --> 00:15:23.100
  • AND BELIEVERS
  • 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:24.140
  • AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS,
  • 00:15:24.140 --> 00:15:26.010
  • WHICH I'VE SEEN ALSO,
  • 00:15:26.010 --> 00:15:27.190
  • BUT, GOSH, ARE WE KNOWN
  • 00:15:27.260 --> 00:15:30.260
  • FOR OUR LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER.
  • 00:15:30.260 --> 00:15:33.040
  • AND WHAT ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW
  • 00:15:33.040 --> 00:15:35.180
  • TO PURSUE THIS ONENESS
  • 00:15:35.180 --> 00:15:37.280
  • THAT CHRIST WANTS OF US.
  • 00:15:37.280 --> 00:15:39.110
  • I SAID THIS
  • 00:15:39.110 --> 00:15:40.080
  • AT THE LUNCHEON EARLIER,
  • 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.100
  • MAN, I LOVE THIS MAN.
  • 00:15:44.010 --> 00:15:47.010
  • THE FIRST TIME WE MET,
  • 00:15:47.010 --> 00:15:48.090
  • I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER
  • 00:15:48.090 --> 00:15:48.260
  • WHEN IT WAS,
  • 00:15:48.260 --> 00:15:49.140
  • BUT I REMEMBER JUST --
  • 00:15:49.140 --> 00:15:50.190
  • MAYBE IT WASN'T
  • 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:51.130
  • THE VERY FIRST TIME,
  • 00:15:51.130 --> 00:15:51.290
  • BUT I REMEMBER
  • 00:15:51.290 --> 00:15:52.230
  • JUST ONE TIME BECAUSE --
  • 00:15:52.230 --> 00:15:54.090
  • OKAY, I'M NOT AN APOLOGIST.
  • 00:15:54.090 --> 00:15:56.200
  • MOST OF YOU GUYS
  • 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:57.050
  • KNOW THAT, OKAY.
  • 00:15:57.050 --> 00:15:57.270
  • I'M JUST --
  • 00:15:57.270 --> 00:15:59.160
  • I'VE TRIED, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:15:59.160 --> 00:16:01.090
  • IT'S LIKE MY MIND GOES SO FAR...
  • 00:16:01.090 --> 00:16:03.150
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:16:03.150 --> 00:16:04.210
  • AND SO I NEED BROTHERS
  • 00:16:04.210 --> 00:16:07.030
  • LIKE THIS SO BADLY.
  • 00:16:07.030 --> 00:16:09.240
  • YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE BACK
  • 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.050
  • IN THE '90S WHEN A PASTOR
  • 00:16:11.050 --> 00:16:12.130
  • FELT LIKE HE JUST HAD
  • 00:16:12.130 --> 00:16:13.090
  • TO BE EVERYTHING.
  • 00:16:13.090 --> 00:16:14.210
  • I GOT TO KNOW MORE
  • 00:16:14.210 --> 00:16:15.130
  • THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
  • 00:16:15.130 --> 00:16:16.020
  • BUT NOW IT'S JUST LIKE,
  • 00:16:16.020 --> 00:16:17.090
  • OKAY, I JUST CAN'T --
  • 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:18.220
  • I CAN'T DO IT ALL.
  • 00:16:18.220 --> 00:16:19.160
  • I'M NOT GONNA BE
  • 00:16:19.160 --> 00:16:20.190
  • THE BEST BIBLE TEACHER
  • 00:16:20.190 --> 00:16:21.290
  • OR THE BEST SCHOLAR
  • 00:16:21.290 --> 00:16:23.160
  • AND THE BEST COUNSELOR
  • 00:16:23.160 --> 00:16:24.270
  • AND THE BEST LEADER
  • 00:16:24.270 --> 00:16:26.010
  • AND THE BEST APOLOGIST.
  • 00:16:26.010 --> 00:16:27.120
  • SO I NEED THIS.
  • 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.220
  • BUT A LOT OF TIMES
  • 00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:30.130
  • WHEN I ENCOUNTER SOMEONE
  • 00:16:30.250 --> 00:16:33.250
  • WHO IS A SCHOLAR,
  • 00:16:33.250 --> 00:16:36.110
  • I GET INTIMIDATED.
  • 00:16:36.110 --> 00:16:38.160
  • I THINK A LOT OF US DO.
  • 00:16:38.160 --> 00:16:39.200
  • WE JUST FEEL STUPID, RIGHT?
  • 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:42.040
  • AND USUALLY THEY'LL TELL US
  • 00:16:42.040 --> 00:16:45.000
  • WHY WE ARE STUPID, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:46.090
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:16:46.090 --> 00:16:47.200
  • AND THEY'LL GO LIKE, "YEAH."
  • 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:48.290
  • I KNEW IT.
  • 00:16:48.290 --> 00:16:49.190
  • I KNEW IT,
  • 00:16:49.190 --> 00:16:50.050
  • AND YOU JUST PROVED IT TO ME.
  • 00:16:50.050 --> 00:16:51.160
  • I ALREADY KNEW THAT,
  • 00:16:51.160 --> 00:16:52.210
  • TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:16:52.210 --> 00:16:53.240
  • AND SO BUT I REMEMBER,
  • 00:16:54.270 --> 00:16:57.270
  • YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TIMES RAVI,
  • 00:16:57.270 --> 00:16:59.200
  • YOU KNOW, --
  • 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:00.180
  • IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN
  • 00:17:00.180 --> 00:17:01.040
  • OUR FIRST TIME MEETING,
  • 00:17:01.040 --> 00:17:02.060
  • AND WE WERE BOTH GONNA SPEAK
  • 00:17:02.060 --> 00:17:02.290
  • AT AN EVENT.
  • 00:17:02.290 --> 00:17:04.110
  • AND HE JUST COMES UP TO ME
  • 00:17:04.110 --> 00:17:05.160
  • AND JUST HUGS ME AND TELLS ME
  • 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:07.260
  • HOW MUCH HE LOVES ME
  • 00:17:07.260 --> 00:17:09.000
  • AND THANKS GOD.
  • 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:10.130
  • AND THEN HE JUST
  • 00:17:10.130 --> 00:17:11.070
  • STARTED PRAYING,
  • 00:17:11.070 --> 00:17:11.240
  • "GOD IT IS SUCH AN HONOR
  • 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:12.210
  • TO SHARE THE STAGE
  • 00:17:12.210 --> 00:17:14.120
  • WITH THIS MAN.
  • 00:17:14.120 --> 00:17:15.220
  • FRANCIS, I'M SO HONORED
  • 00:17:15.220 --> 00:17:17.190
  • TO BE ON THE SAME..."
  • 00:17:17.190 --> 00:17:18.130
  • AND DO YOU KNOW
  • 00:17:18.130 --> 00:17:20.020
  • WHAT THAT DOES FOR A PERSON
  • 00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:21.110
  • WHO'S ALREADY FEELING INSECURE
  • 00:17:21.110 --> 00:17:23.190
  • AND EVERYTHING ELSE
  • 00:17:23.190 --> 00:17:25.010
  • AND THEN HIM SAYING,
  • 00:17:25.010 --> 00:17:26.170
  • "YOU KNOW, I'M HONORED
  • 00:17:26.170 --> 00:17:28.000
  • TO BE WITH YOU.
  • 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:29.040
  • YOUR CONTRIBUTION
  • 00:17:29.040 --> 00:17:30.290
  • TO THE BODY OF CHRIST,
  • 00:17:30.290 --> 00:17:32.120
  • LIKE A FATHER, LIKE LOVE."
  • 00:17:32.190 --> 00:17:35.190
  • IT WAS SO FOREIGN TO ME
  • 00:17:35.190 --> 00:17:38.060
  • TO BE LOVED BY A SCHOLAR,
  • 00:17:38.070 --> 00:17:41.070
  • SERIOUSLY, AND VALUED BY ONE.
  • 00:17:41.280 --> 00:17:44.280
  • NOW THE FACT
  • 00:17:44.280 --> 00:17:45.150
  • THAT THAT FEELS SO FOREIGN
  • 00:17:45.150 --> 00:17:48.010
  • IS AN INDICTMENT
  • 00:17:48.010 --> 00:17:48.250
  • TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
  • 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:50.190
  • AND I GET IT
  • 00:17:50.190 --> 00:17:51.130
  • AND I WANNA BE
  • 00:17:51.130 --> 00:17:52.060
  • THE FIRST APOLOGIZE.
  • 00:17:52.060 --> 00:17:53.180
  • LIKE I CAN GET SO FIRED UP
  • 00:17:53.180 --> 00:17:55.090
  • ABOUT MY THING
  • 00:17:55.090 --> 00:17:56.170
  • THAT IT MAY SEEM
  • 00:17:56.170 --> 00:17:57.280
  • LIKE I'M MAD AT YOU.
  • 00:17:57.280 --> 00:17:59.280
  • I'M NOT, OKAY?
  • 00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:00.290
  • I JUST GET FIRED UP ABOUT STUFF
  • 00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:03.210
  • AND I GET BOTHERED
  • 00:18:03.210 --> 00:18:04.250
  • WHEN I KNOW HOW MUCH PEOPLE
  • 00:18:04.250 --> 00:18:06.050
  • ARE SUFFERING AROUND THE WORLD
  • 00:18:06.050 --> 00:18:07.260
  • AND I THINK ABOUT PEOPLE
  • 00:18:07.260 --> 00:18:09.030
  • WHO'VE NEVER HEARD THE GOSPEL
  • 00:18:09.030 --> 00:18:11.020
  • AND SOMETIMES
  • 00:18:11.020 --> 00:18:12.230
  • IN MY ZEAL FOR SOMETHING
  • 00:18:12.230 --> 00:18:15.040
  • I FORGET THAT MY NUMBER ONE CALL
  • 00:18:15.150 --> 00:18:18.150
  • IS TO LOVE YOU DEEPLY
  • 00:18:18.220 --> 00:18:21.220
  • LIKE FOR THIS ONENESS.
  • 00:18:21.220 --> 00:18:23.230
  • AND THE BIBLE'S SAYING
  • 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:25.040
  • WHEN THAT HAPPENS IN THE CHURCH,
  • 00:18:25.090 --> 00:18:28.090
  • THAT'S WHEN THE WORLD'S
  • 00:18:28.090 --> 00:18:29.160
  • GONNA KNOW
  • 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:30.030
  • THAT WE'RE HIS DISCIPLES
  • 00:18:30.030 --> 00:18:31.280
  • AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED
  • 00:18:31.280 --> 00:18:32.180
  • TO FIGHT FOR.
  • 00:18:32.180 --> 00:18:34.140
  • - WE GOT A NICE LINE
  • 00:18:38.010 --> 00:18:38.280
  • OF QUESTIONS HERE LIVE
  • 00:18:38.280 --> 00:18:40.000
  • SO LET'S GO AND FOCUS
  • 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.040
  • THERE FOR A BIT.
  • 00:18:41.040 --> 00:18:42.150
  • - THANK YOU FOR THIS.
  • 00:18:42.150 --> 00:18:43.060
  • I COME ACROSS AN ARTICLE
  • 00:18:43.060 --> 00:18:45.010
  • THE OTHER DAY WHERE 56 PERCENT
  • 00:18:46.230 --> 00:18:49.230
  • OF CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA
  • 00:18:49.230 --> 00:18:52.030
  • IN MY GENERATION AND ABOVE
  • 00:18:52.030 --> 00:18:54.180
  • BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD.
  • 00:18:55.050 --> 00:18:58.050
  • THE OTHER --
  • 00:18:58.050 --> 00:18:59.020
  • THE REST OF IT,
  • 00:18:59.020 --> 00:19:01.000
  • THEY BELIEVE THAT JESUS
  • 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.030
  • EXISTED HISTORICALLY
  • 00:19:02.030 --> 00:19:04.050
  • AND THEY BELIEVE
  • 00:19:04.050 --> 00:19:04.250
  • THAT HE WAS A GOOD
  • 00:19:04.250 --> 00:19:05.130
  • MORAL TEACHER,
  • 00:19:05.130 --> 00:19:07.070
  • BUT THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE
  • 00:19:07.070 --> 00:19:08.010
  • HE WAS GOD.
  • 00:19:08.010 --> 00:19:09.190
  • AND THEN AS I READ
  • 00:19:09.190 --> 00:19:10.140
  • FURTHER IN THE ARTICLE,
  • 00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:11.290
  • THE GENERATIONS BELOW US,
  • 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.000
  • ONLY ABOUT 38 PERCENT,
  • 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.200
  • BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD.
  • 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:20.150
  • THEY BELIEVED
  • 00:19:20.150 --> 00:19:22.040
  • HE EXISTED HISTORICALLY,
  • 00:19:22.040 --> 00:19:23.140
  • WAS A GOOD MORAL TEACHER.
  • 00:19:23.140 --> 00:19:25.290
  • AND SO WHEN I READ THAT,
  • 00:19:25.290 --> 00:19:27.290
  • I KIND OF LOOK AT WHERE
  • 00:19:27.290 --> 00:19:29.150
  • WE ARE IN AMERICA TODAY
  • 00:19:29.150 --> 00:19:30.180
  • AND MAYBE WHY
  • 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:31.060
  • WE ARE THE WAY WE ARE
  • 00:19:31.060 --> 00:19:33.010
  • BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SEEING JESUS
  • 00:19:33.010 --> 00:19:34.130
  • FROM WHO HE IS AS GOD.
  • 00:19:35.110 --> 00:19:38.110
  • AND AS A PASTOR,
  • 00:19:38.110 --> 00:19:39.130
  • HOPEFULLY PASTORING
  • 00:19:39.130 --> 00:19:41.210
  • MANY MORE YEARS
  • 00:19:41.210 --> 00:19:42.140
  • HERE IN THE FUTURE,
  • 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:44.030
  • WHAT AM I GONNA DO
  • 00:19:44.030 --> 00:19:44.290
  • TO CONVINCE THE GENERATIONS
  • 00:19:44.290 --> 00:19:47.180
  • THAT ARE UP AND COMING
  • 00:19:47.180 --> 00:19:50.040
  • THE DIVINITY OF JESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:19:50.040 --> 00:19:52.280
  • WHICH I THINK WILL HELP US
  • 00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:53.260
  • GET BACK TO WHERE WE NEED
  • 00:19:53.260 --> 00:19:55.170
  • TO BE AS A COUNTRY?
  • 00:19:55.170 --> 00:19:57.020
  • AND THANK YOU.
  • 00:19:57.020 --> 00:19:59.100
  • - YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY
  • 00:19:59.100 --> 00:20:01.020
  • EVEN THAT SURPRISES ME.
  • 00:20:01.020 --> 00:20:02.280
  • - MM-HMM.
  • 00:20:02.280 --> 00:20:03.180
  • - I WONDER WHETHER THOSE --
  • 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:05.100
  • THAT HIGH OF A PERCENTAGE
  • 00:20:05.100 --> 00:20:06.180
  • HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH OF WHAT
  • 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.140
  • THEY'RE REALLY SAYING,
  • 00:20:08.140 --> 00:20:10.090
  • THE DIVINE SON OF GOD,
  • 00:20:10.090 --> 00:20:12.110
  • THE AUTHORITY THAT --
  • 00:20:12.110 --> 00:20:14.040
  • THAT TITLE WOULD GIVE TO HIM,
  • 00:20:14.040 --> 00:20:16.040
  • AND, UH,
  • 00:20:16.040 --> 00:20:16.220
  • THEREFORE THE IMPERATIVES
  • 00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:17.190
  • THAT NECESSARILY FOLLOW.
  • 00:20:17.190 --> 00:20:19.130
  • YOU KNOW, THE --
  • 00:20:19.130 --> 00:20:21.280
  • WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HIM
  • 00:20:21.280 --> 00:20:24.040
  • AS BEING A GOOD MORAL TEACHER,
  • 00:20:24.040 --> 00:20:26.150
  • THAT'S ALWAYS
  • 00:20:26.150 --> 00:20:27.060
  • THE MOST PUZZLING
  • 00:20:27.060 --> 00:20:28.060
  • DESCRIPTION OF ALL.
  • 00:20:28.060 --> 00:20:29.270
  • YOU WONDER WHETHER THEY HAVE --
  • 00:20:29.270 --> 00:20:31.110
  • I THINK, WHO WAS IT --
  • 00:20:31.110 --> 00:20:32.270
  • WAS IT BECKY THAT SAID
  • 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.240
  • THIS MORNING ABOUT PEOPLE
  • 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:37.220
  • WHO NEVER EVEN READ THE GOSPEL,
  • 00:20:37.220 --> 00:20:39.170
  • BUT COMMENTING ON IT
  • 00:20:39.170 --> 00:20:40.170
  • AND MAKING --
  • 00:20:40.170 --> 00:20:41.170
  • TAKING IMPLICATIONS FROM THAT.
  • 00:20:41.170 --> 00:20:44.120
  • IF THEY REALLY BELIEVE --
  • 00:20:44.120 --> 00:20:45.230
  • IF EVEN 56 PERCENT
  • 00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:47.120
  • AT THAT TIME BELIEVED
  • 00:20:47.120 --> 00:20:48.180
  • THAT JESUS IS SON OF GOD
  • 00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:50.230
  • THEN WE DIDN'T DO
  • 00:20:50.230 --> 00:20:51.140
  • A VERY GOOD JOB OF SPREADING
  • 00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:54.130
  • THAT MESSAGE AND DEFENDING
  • 00:20:54.130 --> 00:20:55.170
  • THAT MESSAGE.
  • 00:20:55.170 --> 00:20:56.250
  • BUT IF THEY TALK ABOUT HIM
  • 00:20:56.250 --> 00:20:58.040
  • BEING A GOOD MORAL TEACHER
  • 00:20:58.040 --> 00:20:59.250
  • THEN MAYBE
  • 00:20:59.250 --> 00:21:01.030
  • HIS GOOD MORAL TEACHINGS
  • 00:21:01.030 --> 00:21:02.220
  • THEY ACTUALLY CONSIDER BAD
  • 00:21:02.220 --> 00:21:04.110
  • BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE TO ABIDE
  • 00:21:04.110 --> 00:21:06.060
  • BY THE MORAL TEACHINGS
  • 00:21:06.060 --> 00:21:09.000
  • THAT JESUS HAD.
  • 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:10.040
  • I WOULD SAY THAT IT TELLS YOU
  • 00:21:10.260 --> 00:21:13.260
  • AND ME MORE AND MORE
  • 00:21:13.260 --> 00:21:15.000
  • THAT IN OUR PREACHING,
  • 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.280
  • ONE WAY OR THE OTHER,
  • 00:21:16.280 --> 00:21:18.130
  • WE HAVE TO BE BRINGING
  • 00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:20.070
  • IN THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS
  • 00:21:20.070 --> 00:21:22.170
  • AND WHY THOSE TEACHINGS
  • 00:21:22.170 --> 00:21:24.090
  • ARE TRUE AND WHY HE IS INDEED
  • 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:27.200
  • WHO HE CLAIMS TO BE.
  • 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.100
  • SO THAT APOLOGETIC BECOMES
  • 00:21:29.100 --> 00:21:31.030
  • VERY IMPORTANT
  • 00:21:31.030 --> 00:21:32.120
  • AT A TIME LIKE THIS.
  • 00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:33.200
  • OFTENTIMES I FIND
  • 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.030
  • WHEN YOU'RE --
  • 00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:36.130
  • FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PRAYER --
  • 00:21:36.130 --> 00:21:38.130
  • NOW, IN THE PRESIDENTIAL
  • 00:21:38.130 --> 00:21:39.200
  • PRAYER BREAKFAST AND ALL,
  • 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:40.270
  • THERE'S MORE
  • 00:21:40.270 --> 00:21:41.140
  • AND MORE OF THIS MOVE
  • 00:21:41.140 --> 00:21:42.280
  • OF HAVING A PLURALISTIC TYPE
  • 00:21:42.280 --> 00:21:45.000
  • OF PRAYER AND PEOPLE
  • 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:46.120
  • FROM OTHER PLACES
  • 00:21:46.120 --> 00:21:47.290
  • HAVING EQUAL VOICE
  • 00:21:47.290 --> 00:21:50.260
  • AT THE PRAYER BREAKFAST,
  • 00:21:50.260 --> 00:21:52.060
  • WHICH DOESN'T OFTEN UPHOLD
  • 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:56.220
  • THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
  • 00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:57.260
  • AND CHRISTIAN VALUES.
  • 00:21:57.260 --> 00:21:59.050
  • SO I WOULD SAY
  • 00:21:59.050 --> 00:22:00.160
  • THAT IT IS IMPORTANT
  • 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:01.150
  • IN OUR SPEAKING, TEACHING,
  • 00:22:01.150 --> 00:22:03.060
  • AND WRITING TO DEFEND
  • 00:22:03.060 --> 00:22:06.000
  • WHO JESUS IS
  • 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.160
  • AND WHY HE IS SO.
  • 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:08.210
  • SO OFTENTIMES,
  • 00:22:08.210 --> 00:22:09.220
  • I WILL SAY TO PEOPLE
  • 00:22:09.220 --> 00:22:10.200
  • WHEN THEY ARE ATTACKING
  • 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:11.230
  • CHRISTENDOM OR CHRISTIANITY
  • 00:22:11.230 --> 00:22:13.160
  • AND THERE'S A LOT
  • 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:14.030
  • TO ATTACK HISTORICALLY,
  • 00:22:14.030 --> 00:22:15.280
  • I SAY, "TELL ME WHAT
  • 00:22:15.280 --> 00:22:17.110
  • YOU THINK OF JESUS.
  • 00:22:17.110 --> 00:22:19.040
  • YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT
  • 00:22:19.040 --> 00:22:19.220
  • YOU REALLY THINK OF JESUS?"
  • 00:22:19.220 --> 00:22:21.110
  • AND WHEN THEY START
  • 00:22:21.110 --> 00:22:23.150
  • TO PONDERING THAT,
  • 00:22:23.150 --> 00:22:25.000
  • IT OPENS UP AN AWFUL
  • 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.020
  • LOT OF POSSIBILITIES
  • 00:22:27.020 --> 00:22:28.180
  • FOR A GENUINE WITNESS
  • 00:22:28.180 --> 00:22:29.230
  • FOR THE BIRTH, LIFE, DEATH,
  • 00:22:29.230 --> 00:22:31.250
  • AND RESURRECTION.
  • 00:22:31.250 --> 00:22:32.250
  • IT IS INTERESTING IN MATTHEW 16
  • 00:22:32.250 --> 00:22:34.270
  • WHEN JESUS HAS SPOKEN
  • 00:22:34.270 --> 00:22:36.050
  • TO PETER AND PETER
  • 00:22:36.050 --> 00:22:38.070
  • HAS FINALLY RECOGNIZED,
  • 00:22:38.070 --> 00:22:39.180
  • "THOU ART THE CHRIST,
  • 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:40.180
  • THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD."
  • 00:22:40.180 --> 00:22:42.080
  • JESUS SAID, "FLESH AND BLOOD
  • 00:22:42.080 --> 00:22:43.160
  • HAS NOT REVEALED
  • 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:44.130
  • THAT TO YOU, BUT MY FATHER,
  • 00:22:44.130 --> 00:22:46.040
  • WHO IS IN HEAVEN."
  • 00:22:46.040 --> 00:22:47.010
  • AS SOON AS HE MAKES
  • 00:22:47.010 --> 00:22:48.030
  • THAT RECOGNITION,
  • 00:22:48.030 --> 00:22:49.040
  • THE BIBLE SAYS,
  • 00:22:49.040 --> 00:22:50.120
  • "FROM THAT MOMENT ON,
  • 00:22:50.120 --> 00:22:52.160
  • JESUS BEGAN TO TEACH
  • 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.050
  • ABOUT THE MANNER OF DEATH
  • 00:22:54.050 --> 00:22:55.120
  • THAT HE SHOULD DIE
  • 00:22:55.120 --> 00:22:56.140
  • AND PETER RESISTED THAT."
  • 00:22:56.140 --> 00:22:58.160
  • SO HE'D JUST ACCEPTED
  • 00:22:58.160 --> 00:22:59.270
  • WHO JESUS WAS,
  • 00:22:59.270 --> 00:23:01.130
  • THEN BEGINS TO CHALLENGE
  • 00:23:01.130 --> 00:23:02.250
  • THE PATH THAT JESUS
  • 00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:04.050
  • WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO TAKE.
  • 00:23:04.050 --> 00:23:06.090
  • AND JESUS,
  • 00:23:06.090 --> 00:23:07.030
  • FROM TAKING THAT COMPLIMENT,
  • 00:23:07.030 --> 00:23:08.150
  • "FLESH AND BLOOD
  • 00:23:08.150 --> 00:23:09.070
  • HAS NOT REVEALED THAT TO YOU,
  • 00:23:09.070 --> 00:23:10.120
  • BUT MY FATHER, WHO IS IN HEAVEN,
  • 00:23:10.120 --> 00:23:11.120
  • AND THEN HE TURNS AROUND
  • 00:23:11.120 --> 00:23:12.170
  • AND NOW SAYS TO HIM,
  • 00:23:12.170 --> 00:23:13.140
  • 'GET THEE BEHIND ME,
  • 00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:14.050
  • SATAN, YOU'RE NOT MINDING
  • 00:23:14.050 --> 00:23:15.140
  • THE THINGS OF GOD,
  • 00:23:15.140 --> 00:23:16.110
  • BUT YOU'RE MINDING
  • 00:23:16.110 --> 00:23:17.000
  • THE THINGS OF MAN.'"
  • 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:17.220
  • SO EVEN THOSE WHO RECOGNIZE
  • 00:23:17.220 --> 00:23:19.120
  • HIS DEITY HAD A DIFFICULTY
  • 00:23:19.120 --> 00:23:21.250
  • IN UNDERSTANDING
  • 00:23:21.250 --> 00:23:23.030
  • THE TOTAL MESSAGE
  • 00:23:23.030 --> 00:23:24.120
  • AND THE MISSION.
  • 00:23:24.120 --> 00:23:25.190
  • SO YOU MOVE
  • 00:23:25.190 --> 00:23:26.050
  • ONTO THE NEXT CHAPTER,
  • 00:23:26.050 --> 00:23:27.060
  • OKAY, UH, 17 THERE IN MATTHEW
  • 00:23:27.060 --> 00:23:29.210
  • IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
  • 00:23:29.210 --> 00:23:30.140
  • SO AT THE END OF 16,
  • 00:23:30.140 --> 00:23:31.190
  • JESUS SAYS,
  • 00:23:31.190 --> 00:23:33.190
  • "THERE ARE SOME
  • 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:34.040
  • WHO ARE STANDING HERE
  • 00:23:34.040 --> 00:23:34.270
  • WHO WILL NOT TASTE DEATH
  • 00:23:34.270 --> 00:23:36.120
  • 'TIL THEY SEE THE GLORY
  • 00:23:36.120 --> 00:23:38.050
  • OF THE SON OF GOD
  • 00:23:38.050 --> 00:23:39.100
  • COMING IN GLORY."
  • 00:23:39.100 --> 00:23:40.130
  • AND THE VERY NEXT CHAPTER
  • 00:23:40.130 --> 00:23:42.030
  • IS THE MOUNT
  • 00:23:42.030 --> 00:23:42.210
  • OF THE TRANSFIGURATION.
  • 00:23:42.210 --> 00:23:44.070
  • SO HE TAKES THEM UP
  • 00:23:44.070 --> 00:23:44.290
  • TO THE MOUNTAIN
  • 00:23:44.290 --> 00:23:45.210
  • AND PETER AND JAMES
  • 00:23:45.210 --> 00:23:47.060
  • AND JOHN ARE STYMIED
  • 00:23:47.060 --> 00:23:48.290
  • BY THIS GLIMPSE
  • 00:23:48.290 --> 00:23:49.250
  • OF A TRANSFIGURED LORD
  • 00:23:49.250 --> 00:23:52.060
  • AND ELIJAH AND MOSES.
  • 00:23:52.060 --> 00:23:54.080
  • AND AFTER ALL OF THAT
  • 00:23:54.080 --> 00:23:56.210
  • EXHILARATING EXPERIENCE,
  • 00:23:56.210 --> 00:23:58.140
  • PETER SAID,
  • 00:23:58.140 --> 00:23:59.060
  • "LET'S STAY RIGHT HERE."
  • 00:23:59.060 --> 00:24:00.190
  • PETER THE FISHERMAN
  • 00:24:00.190 --> 00:24:01.240
  • WANTED TO BECOME PETER
  • 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:02.250
  • THE BUILDER.
  • 00:24:02.250 --> 00:24:03.130
  • HE SAID, "I'LL BUILD
  • 00:24:03.130 --> 00:24:04.090
  • THREE TABERNACLES
  • 00:24:04.090 --> 00:24:05.020
  • HERE FOR ALL OF YOU."
  • 00:24:05.020 --> 00:24:06.210
  • AND JESUS BASICALLY SAYS,
  • 00:24:06.210 --> 00:24:08.120
  • "WE GOT TO GO DOWN,
  • 00:24:08.120 --> 00:24:09.080
  • THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE."
  • 00:24:09.080 --> 00:24:10.120
  • THIS PETER --
  • 00:24:10.120 --> 00:24:13.010
  • THIS PETER WHO EXPERIENCED
  • 00:24:13.010 --> 00:24:15.120
  • PROBABLY ONE
  • 00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:16.020
  • OF THE MOST EXHILARATING
  • 00:24:16.020 --> 00:24:17.090
  • ENCOUNTERS THE HUMAN EYE
  • 00:24:17.090 --> 00:24:18.180
  • COULD EVER HAVE ACCOMMODATED,
  • 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:20.250
  • IMAGINE BEING PRESENT
  • 00:24:20.250 --> 00:24:22.050
  • AT THE TRANSFIGURATION
  • 00:24:22.050 --> 00:24:24.020
  • OF OUR LORD.
  • 00:24:24.020 --> 00:24:25.050
  • HE HAS SEEN THIS,
  • 00:24:25.050 --> 00:24:26.280
  • THE MOST EXHILARATING THING,
  • 00:24:26.280 --> 00:24:29.010
  • AND TO SEE MOSES AND ELIJAH
  • 00:24:29.010 --> 00:24:30.140
  • AT THE SAME TIME,
  • 00:24:30.140 --> 00:24:31.200
  • THIS PETER TELLS US
  • 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.130
  • IN HIS EPISTLES TO SET APART
  • 00:24:34.070 --> 00:24:37.070
  • CHRIST IN YOUR HEART AS LORD
  • 00:24:37.070 --> 00:24:39.100
  • AND ALWAYS BE PREPARED
  • 00:24:39.100 --> 00:24:41.050
  • TO GIVE A REASON FOR THE HOPE
  • 00:24:41.050 --> 00:24:42.240
  • THAT IS WITHIN YOU
  • 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:43.170
  • TO ANYONE WHO ASKS
  • 00:24:43.170 --> 00:24:44.120
  • AND DO THAT WITH GENTLENESS
  • 00:24:44.120 --> 00:24:45.190
  • AND RESPECT.
  • 00:24:45.190 --> 00:24:46.080
  • HE GIVES US
  • 00:24:46.080 --> 00:24:47.000
  • THE DEFINITIVE STATEMENT
  • 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:48.130
  • OF WHAT APOLOGETICS IS.
  • 00:24:48.130 --> 00:24:51.010
  • MEANING, ANY EXPERIENCE
  • 00:24:51.010 --> 00:24:52.260
  • HAS A SHELF LIFE
  • 00:24:52.260 --> 00:24:55.000
  • BECAUSE HE SAYS FOR NOW
  • 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.140
  • WE HAVE THE WORD
  • 00:24:56.140 --> 00:24:58.120
  • OF THE PROPHETS
  • 00:24:58.120 --> 00:24:59.110
  • MADE MORE CERTAIN.
  • 00:24:59.110 --> 00:25:00.290
  • WE WERE EYEWITNESSES
  • 00:25:00.290 --> 00:25:02.210
  • TO HIS MAJESTY,
  • 00:25:02.210 --> 00:25:03.230
  • BUT NOW WE HAVE THE WORD
  • 00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:05.050
  • OF THE PROPHETS
  • 00:25:05.050 --> 00:25:05.240
  • MADE MORE CERTAIN
  • 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:06.160
  • AND YOU'LL DO
  • 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:07.060
  • WELL TO PAY HEED TO IT
  • 00:25:07.060 --> 00:25:08.160
  • AS TO A LIGHT IN A DARK PLACE.
  • 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.160
  • SO ALL OF THE EXPERIENCES
  • 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.130
  • WERE GIVEN A SECONDARY PLACE,
  • 00:25:12.130 --> 00:25:14.270
  • THE PROPOSITIONAL
  • 00:25:14.270 --> 00:25:16.000
  • TRUTH OF CHRIST
  • 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:16.260
  • WAS GIVEN THE PRIMARY PLACE
  • 00:25:16.260 --> 00:25:18.200
  • BECAUSE IT IS ETERNAL
  • 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:19.250
  • AND THE PRESENTATION OF CHRIST
  • 00:25:19.250 --> 00:25:22.010
  • AS THE CENTERPIECE
  • 00:25:22.010 --> 00:25:23.200
  • IN ANSWERING ALL
  • 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.150
  • OF THE QUESTIONS
  • 00:25:25.150 --> 00:25:26.030
  • BECAME THE MISSION
  • 00:25:26.030 --> 00:25:27.270
  • I THINK OF PETER HIMSELF.
  • 00:25:27.270 --> 00:25:29.080
  • SO I WOULD SAY AS WONDERFUL
  • 00:25:29.080 --> 00:25:31.000
  • AS OUR EXPERIENCES ARE,
  • 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:32.170
  • WE HAVE TO GO BACK
  • 00:25:32.170 --> 00:25:33.290
  • TO THE SURE WORD OF PROPHECY
  • 00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:36.190
  • FOR THY WORD ABIDES FOREVER.
  • 00:25:36.190 --> 00:25:39.000
  • EXPOSITORY PREACHING
  • 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.190
  • IS THE MOST POWERFUL WAY
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