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The Difference: Ravi Zacharias | In His Defense

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November 15, 2019
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John Hagee

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The Difference: Ravi Zacharias | In His Defense

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  • MUSIC
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  • MATT HAGEE: HELLO,
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  • AND WELCOME TO
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  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
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  • TODAY KENDAL AND I
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  • ARE SO EXCITED AND ACTUALLY
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  • HONORED TO HAVE ON SET WITH US
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS.
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  • RAVI'S KNOWN AS A GREAT
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  • DEFENDER OF THE FAITH.
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  • AND AS A MATTER OF FACT,
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  • REGARDLESS OF THE PLACES THAT
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  • HE'S GETTING TO GO TO SHARE
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  • THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD,
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  • HE BEGAN AS A SKEPTIC.
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  • BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM
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  • THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU
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  • HIS STORY.
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  • RAVI, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
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  • FOR BEING HERE WITH US TODAY.
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  • IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: NICE SEEING
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  • YOU, MATT.
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  • NICE TO SEE YOU, KENDAL.
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  • THANK YOU.
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  • MATT HAGEE: NOW
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  • "THE LOGIC OF GOD"
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  • IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT
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  • OF PEOPLE,
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  • THEY STRUGGLE WITH.
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  • AND YOU'VE SHARED A LOT OF
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  • TRUTH IN THESE PAGES THAT HELP
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  • PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHO THEY ARE
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  • AND HOW THEY RELATE TO GOD,
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  • BECAUSE UNDERSTANDING GOD,
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  • IT'S BEYOND KNOWING.
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: WELL YOU KNOW
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  • THE ORIGINAL TITLE, MATT,
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  • WAS CALLING IT
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  • "THANK GOD IT'S MONDAY,"
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  • BECAUSE IT CONTAINS,
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  • AS YOU KNOW, 52 DEVOTIONALS.
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  • MY DEVOTIONAL STUDIES HAVE
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  • VARIED OVER THE YEARS.
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  • AND I FOUND IF YOU DO TOO MUCH
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  • EVERY DAY,
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  • YOU DON'T REALLY BASK
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  • IN THE AFTERGLOW FOR TOO LONG;
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  • YOU'RE UNDER NEW TRUTHS.
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  • SO I SAID, YOU KNOW,
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  • I'D LOVE TO DO ONE WHERE
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  • YOU MEDITATE ON THE SAME TRUTH
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  • FOR ABOUT A WEEK.
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  • BUT THE PUBLISHER DIDN'T LIKE
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  • THE TITLE,
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  • SO THEY CALLED IT
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  • "THE LOGIC OF GOD,"
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  • BECAUSE HE SAID,
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  • "AS I FOLLOW THESE READINGS,
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  • YOU REALLY GET TO SEE THE MIND
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  • OF GOD AND GOD'S THOUGHTS,
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  • AND HOW HE REFLECTS HIS
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  • THINKING THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES
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  • ON ISSUES THAT WE HAVE SO MANY
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  • QUESTIONS OVER."
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  • SO IT WAS MY --
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  • I HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT
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  • TO MY RESEARCH ASSISTANT.
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  • SHE COLLATED THEM.
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  • AND SHE SAID,
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  • "HOW ABOUT PUTTING THESE
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  • TOGETHER?"
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  • SO THAT'S HOW IT CAME ABOUT.
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  • MATT HAGEE: WELL,
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  • IT'S A MARVELOUS WORK.
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  • AND YOU KNOW WHEN YOU TALK
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  • ABOUT ISSUES THAT MANY PEOPLE
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  • HAVE QUESTIONS TO,
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  • THEY SEE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS
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  • THE MINISTRY AND THE REACH
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  • AND THE INFLUENCE THAT YOU DO,
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  • AND THEY MUST WONDER;
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  • HAS HE EVER NOT QUESTIONED?
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  • HAVE HE EVER NOT, YOU KNOW,
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  • KNOWN THAT FAITH WAS REAL?
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  • AND IN YOUR LIFE,
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  • YOU'RE VERY CANDID ABOUT
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  • YOUR OWN SKEPTICISM AND DOUBT.
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  • AND REALLY THAT'S WHAT GOD USED
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  • TO REACH YOU; YOU KNOW?
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  • TELL US ABOUT THAT.
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: WELL,
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  • YOU KNOW FOR YEARS,
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  • I WOULD PROBABLY SAY, MATT,
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  • IT WAS MORE AN INDIFFERENCE.
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  • YOU KNOW I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT
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  • ABOUT RELIGIOUS THINGS,
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  • BECAUSE I WAS RAISED IN INDIA,
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  • LIVED THERE TILL I WAS 20.
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  • MY ANCESTORS WERE FROM
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  • THE HIGHEST CLASS TO THE HINDU
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  • PRIESTHOOD,
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  • SO MUCH OF CEREMONY,
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  • SO MUCH OF SUPERSTITION,
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  • SO MUCH WHAT THEY THEMSELVES
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  • CALL "MYTHOLOGY."
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  • YOU KNOW THEY REFER TO IT
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  • AS HINDU MYTHOLOGY,
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  • WHICH IS FASCINATING.
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  • SO I DIDN'T REALLY TAKE
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  • RELIGIOUS IDEAS SERIOUSLY.
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  • I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST
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  • A NARRATIVE YOU ASSUMED
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  • TO PULL CULTURE TOGETHER.
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  • BUT THEN WHEN I LAY ON A BED
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  • OF SUICIDE BY THE AGE OF 17,
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  • SOMETHING TOTALLY UNEXPECTED
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  • HAPPENED.
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  • I, FOR THE FIRST TIME,
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  • STARTED ASKING THE QUESTION;
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  • WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
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  • YOU KNOW I WANTED TO END IT
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  • ALL,
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  • BUT HERE I'M LYING IN BED NOT
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  • SURE IF I'VE SUCCEEDED OR NOT.
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  • THE DOCTORS GAVE ME FOUR
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  • OR FIVE DAYS,
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  • IN WHICH THEY FIGURED THIS
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  • WOULD ALL WILL GO ONE WAY
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  • OR THE OTHER.
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  • AND A BIBLE WAS BROUGHT TO ME.
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  • AND FOR THE FIRST TIME,
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  • I SAW THE HOLY SCRIPTURES
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  • IN SUCH A BEAUTIFUL WAY.
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  • AND IRONICALLY,
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  • IT WAS JOHN 14 THAT WAS OPENED
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  • TO ME.
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  • I DIDN'T OWN A BIBLE,
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  • SO THIS WAS BROUGHT TO ME.
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  • AND JESUS WAS TALKING
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  • TO THOMAS.
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  • THOMAS WAS THE ONE WHO WENT
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  • TO INDIA.
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  • THOMAS WAS THE ONE --
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  • MATT HAGEE: WHO DOUBTED.
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: YEAH.
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  • JESUS SAID,
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  • "I'M THE WAY, THE TRUTH,
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  • AND THE LIFE.
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  • NO MAN COMES UNTO THE FATHER
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  • EXCEPT THROUGH ME."
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  • AND HE WENT INTO A LAND
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  • OF MILLIONS OF DEITIES
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  • AND SO ON,
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  • AND PAID WITH HIS LIFE.
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  • SO THE VERSE THAT CHANGED
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  • MY LIFE WAS JOHN 14:19.
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  • JESUS SAID, "BECAUSE I LIVE,
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  • YOU ALSO SHALL LIVE."
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  • TO ME, WHAT GOD GIVES AS
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  • LIVING IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN
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  • WHAT WE CALL "AS LIVING."
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  • AND THAT'S THE RATIONALITY
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  • AND THE REASONING OF GOD,
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  • WHY WE ARE HERE,
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  • WHAT LIFE IS ALL ABOUT,
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  • WHAT THE DEEPEST QUESTIONS ARE,
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  • AND HOW HE ANSWERS THEM.
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  • MATT HAGEE: WELL,
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  • AND IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL
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  • STORY,
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  • BECAUSE IT CORRELATES WITH WHAT
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  • YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT HAVING
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  • TIME TO MEDITATE
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  • ON THE SCRIPTURES.
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  • YOU DIDN'T INVESTIGATE
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  • THE TOTALITY OF GOD'S WORD.
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  • YOU DIDN'T START IN GENESIS AND
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  • MAKE A CONCLUSION ONCE YOU GOT
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  • TO REVELATION.
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  • ONE VERSE,
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  • IT REACHED INTO YOUR HEART,
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  • AND IT WAS ALL THAT WAS
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  • NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE
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  • OUTCOME OF YOUR LIFE,
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  • AND SOMETHING I ENCOURAGE
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  • PEOPLE WITH OFTEN.
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  • THEY PEOPLE SAY, "PASTOR,
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  • I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START
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  • READING THE BIBLE."
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  • "PASTOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
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  • TO DO."
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  • AND THEY WANT A PROCESS.
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  • AND I JUST TELL THEM;
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  • I SAID, "IT'S NOT QUANTITY;
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  • IT'S QUALITY."
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  • I SAID, "IF YOU TAKE ONE VERSE
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  • AND YOU LIVE BY IT,"
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  • I SAID, "DON'T LEARN IT,
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  • DON'T MEMORIZE IT,
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  • DON'T BE ABLE JUST TO REPEAT
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  • IT, BUT LIVE BY IT,"
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  • I SAID, "YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT
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  • THAT VERSE WILL CHANGE
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  • YOUR LIFE."
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  • I SAID,
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  • "AND THEN YOU'LL WANT TO LIVE
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  • BY MORE."
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: AND YOU KNOW,
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  • "THY WORD IS TRUTH,"
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  • AS THE SCRIPTURE IS.
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  • "THE WORD OF GOD
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  • ABIDES FOREVER."
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  • "HEAVEN AND EARTH
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  • MAY PASS AWAY,
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  • BUT THIS WORD ABIDES FOREVER."
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  • YOU KNOW GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU
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  • JUST SAID,
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  • THE THOUGHT CAME TO MY MIND,
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  • HOW SAUL OF TARSUS TO PAUL
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  • WAS STRONG,
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  • AND WHAT IS IT HE SAID?
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  • "THAT I MAY KNOW HIM,
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  • THE POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION,
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  • AND THE FELLOWSHIP
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  • OF HIS SUFFERING,
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  • BEING MADE CONFORMABLE
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  • UNTO HIS DEATH."
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  • ALL OF THE OTHER
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  • DISCIPLES CAME TO GOD
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  • CHRONOLOGICALLY, BOTH LIFE,
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  • DEATH, RESURRECTION.
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  • SAUL OF TARSUS CAME
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  • FROM THE RESURRECTION,
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  • AND THEN WANTED TO MOVE
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  • BACKWARDS SO THAT HE COULD
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  • UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CROSS
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  • WAS ALL ABOUT.
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  • THAT'S WHAT WAS AN OFFENSE
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  • TO HIM.
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  • AND SO STARTING WITH
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  • THE MIRACULOUSLY-RISEN CHRIST,
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  • HE GOES BACK TO UNDERSTAND
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  • CALVARY SO THAT HE COULD ALSO
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  • BE MADE CONFORMABLE INTO WHAT
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  • THE DEATH OF CHRIST
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  • WAS ALL ABOUT.
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  • SO GOD BRINGS US THROUGH
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  • DIFFERENT SERIES OF EVENTS.
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  • BUT THE LOGIC IS ULTIMATELY
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  • THE SAME.
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  • THE CHRONOLOGY MAY BE
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  • DIFFERENT,
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  • BUT THE LOGIC OF IT
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  • IS VERY REAL.
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  • MATT HAGEE: HOW YOU GOT THERE
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  • IS DIFFERENT FOR EACH
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  • INDIVIDUAL.
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  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • MATT HAGEE: WHERE YOU GO
  • 00:06:05.110 --> 00:06:06.050
  • IS THE SAME; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:06:06.050 --> 00:06:07.270
  • THERE'S ONLY ONE DOOR
  • 00:06:07.270 --> 00:06:09.030
  • AND IT'S JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:06:09.030 --> 00:06:10.200
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: SPURGEON
  • 00:06:10.200 --> 00:06:11.110
  • HAD A GREAT SERMON CALLED
  • 00:06:11.110 --> 00:06:12.190
  • "THE GATHERING AT THE CENTER."
  • 00:06:12.190 --> 00:06:14.140
  • AND HE SAYS,
  • 00:06:14.140 --> 00:06:14.290
  • "WE COME THROUGH DIFFERENT
  • 00:06:14.290 --> 00:06:16.010
  • PATHS,
  • 00:06:16.010 --> 00:06:16.230
  • BUT WE GATHER AT THE CENTER
  • 00:06:16.230 --> 00:06:18.020
  • OF CHRIST;
  • 00:06:18.020 --> 00:06:18.200
  • SOME, THROUGH THE HARD KNOCKS
  • 00:06:18.200 --> 00:06:19.260
  • OF LIFE;
  • 00:06:19.260 --> 00:06:20.110
  • SOME, THROUGH THE WEALTHY
  • 00:06:20.110 --> 00:06:21.030
  • ENDEAVORS OF OTHERS,
  • 00:06:21.030 --> 00:06:22.130
  • BUT WE GATHER AT THE CENTER."
  • 00:06:22.130 --> 00:06:23.270
  • MATT HAGEE: NOW,
  • 00:06:23.270 --> 00:06:24.150
  • WHEN WE COME BACK,
  • 00:06:24.150 --> 00:06:25.020
  • I WANT YOU TO TELL OUR AUDIENCE
  • 00:06:25.020 --> 00:06:26.180
  • ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:06:26.180 --> 00:06:27.160
  • DOING ALL OVER THE WORLD.
  • 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:28.260
  • AND OFTEN TIMES, INDIVIDUALS,
  • 00:06:28.260 --> 00:06:31.140
  • WHO HAVE WIDESPREAD
  • 00:06:31.140 --> 00:06:33.130
  • DISTRIBUTION EITHER THROUGH
  • 00:06:33.130 --> 00:06:34.100
  • PUBLISHING OR TELEVISION,
  • 00:06:34.100 --> 00:06:36.040
  • YOU KNOW GLOBAL IS A METAPHOR.
  • 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:39.120
  • BUT IN YOUR SITUATION,
  • 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:40.140
  • YOU ARE ACTUALLY TOUCHING
  • 00:06:40.140 --> 00:06:41.160
  • THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD,
  • 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:42.150
  • AND TRAINING UP LEADERS,
  • 00:06:42.150 --> 00:06:43.100
  • AND HELPING THEM TO GO OUT
  • 00:06:43.100 --> 00:06:45.030
  • AND MAKE DISCIPLES.
  • 00:06:45.030 --> 00:06:46.000
  • AND I THINK THAT THAT'S
  • 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:46.200
  • A WONDERFUL PEOPLE TO BE AWARE
  • 00:06:46.200 --> 00:06:48.090
  • OF AND TO BE A PART OF.
  • 00:06:48.090 --> 00:06:49.200
  • WE'RE WITH RAVI ZACHARIAS,
  • 00:06:49.200 --> 00:06:50.270
  • AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK ON
  • 00:06:50.270 --> 00:06:52.000
  • "THE DIFFERENCE" AFTER THIS.
  • 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.160
  • MUSIC
  • 00:06:54.220 --> 00:06:57.220
  • MUSIC
  • 00:06:57.220 --> 00:06:58.220
  • PASTOR JOHN HAGEE: ARE YOU
  • 00:06:58.220 --> 00:06:59.200
  • CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPIRITUAL
  • 00:06:59.200 --> 00:07:00.170
  • FUTURE OF AMERICA?
  • 00:07:00.170 --> 00:07:02.040
  • DO YOU ASK YOURSELF;
  • 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:03.150
  • WILL THE GOSPEL BE PREACHED
  • 00:07:03.150 --> 00:07:05.000
  • TO THE NEXT GENERATION?
  • 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:06.280
  • PASTOR MATT HAGEE: THIS IS WHY
  • 00:07:06.280 --> 00:07:08.020
  • WE HAVE LAUNCHED
  • 00:07:08.020 --> 00:07:08.230
  • OUR VISION 20/20 CAMPAIGN,
  • 00:07:08.230 --> 00:07:11.000
  • TO TAKE ALL OF THE GOSPEL
  • 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:12.100
  • TO ALL OF THE WORLD
  • 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:13.200
  • AND EVERY GENERATION.
  • 00:07:13.200 --> 00:07:16.010
  • FOR YOUR SUPPORT
  • 00:07:16.010 --> 00:07:16.160
  • OF HAGEE MINISTRIES TODAY,
  • 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.000
  • YOU'LL RECEIVE AN EXCLUSIVE
  • 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:19.000
  • VISION 20/20 CHRISTMAS ORNAMENT
  • 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.010
  • AND A CHRISTMAS CD
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  • BY CANTON JUNCTION.
  • 00:07:22.020 --> 00:07:23.130
  • FOR YOUR GIFT OF $250 OR MORE,
  • 00:07:23.130 --> 00:07:25.090
  • YOU'LL RECEIVE A VISION 20/20
  • 00:07:25.090 --> 00:07:27.040
  • CHRISTMAS ORNAMENT,
  • 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:28.110
  • A CANTON JUNCTION CHRISTMAS CD,
  • 00:07:28.110 --> 00:07:30.090
  • A SIGNED PROPHECY BIBLE,
  • 00:07:30.090 --> 00:07:31.250
  • AND THE BIBLE
  • 00:07:31.250 --> 00:07:32.130
  • IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER
  • 00:07:32.130 --> 00:07:33.140
  • VOLUME ONE,
  • 00:07:33.140 --> 00:07:34.110
  • WITH STUDY GUIDE.
  • 00:07:34.110 --> 00:07:35.230
  • PASTOR MATT HAGEE: YOUR SUPPORT
  • 00:07:35.230 --> 00:07:36.200
  • OF THAT MISSION TODAY
  • 00:07:36.200 --> 00:07:37.160
  • PLAYS A CRUCIAL ROLE
  • 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:38.270
  • IN CHANGING THE LIVES
  • 00:07:38.270 --> 00:07:40.000
  • OF MILLIONS OF SOULS
  • 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:41.090
  • FOR YEARS TO COME.
  • 00:07:41.090 --> 00:07:43.160
  • GOD IS SHAPING YOU
  • 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:45.050
  • FOR A PURPOSE ONLY YOU
  • 00:07:45.050 --> 00:07:46.150
  • CAN FULFILL.
  • 00:07:46.150 --> 00:07:48.030
  • SEND YOUR TAX-DEDUCTIBLE GIFT
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  • TODAY.
  • 00:07:49.130 --> 00:07:50.100
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN
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  • OR VISIT JHM.ORG/THANKSGIVING.
  • 00:07:52.110 --> 00:07:55.110
  • MUSIC
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  • MUSIC
  • 00:07:55.210 --> 00:07:56.070
  • YOU AND YOUR FAMILY CAN JOIN
  • 00:07:56.070 --> 00:07:57.060
  • PASTOR MATT,
  • 00:07:57.060 --> 00:07:58.040
  • KENDAL,
  • 00:07:58.040 --> 00:07:58.190
  • AND THEIR CHILDREN
  • 00:07:58.190 --> 00:07:59.190
  • ON THE 2020 ISRAEL FAMILY TRIP,
  • 00:07:59.190 --> 00:08:02.150
  • A FUN AND EXCITING TRIP
  • 00:08:02.150 --> 00:08:03.260
  • DESIGNED FOR THE ENTIRE FAMILY.
  • 00:08:03.260 --> 00:08:05.280
  • PAST WILL MEET PRESENT,
  • 00:08:05.280 --> 00:08:07.030
  • AS YOU VISIT
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  • A GALILEAN VILLAGE,
  • 00:08:07.190 --> 00:08:09.050
  • RIDE ATV'S ACROSS THE DESERT,
  • 00:08:09.050 --> 00:08:11.090
  • AND SWIM
  • 00:08:11.090 --> 00:08:11.250
  • IN THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA.
  • 00:08:11.250 --> 00:08:13.190
  • SPACE IS LIMITED,
  • 00:08:13.190 --> 00:08:14.230
  • SO CALL OR GO TO JHM.ORG
  • 00:08:14.230 --> 00:08:17.170
  • FOR MORE INFORMATION,
  • 00:08:17.170 --> 00:08:18.270
  • AND RESERVE YOUR SPOT
  • 00:08:18.270 --> 00:08:20.100
  • ON THIS ONE-OF-A-KIND TOUR.
  • 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:21.290
  • MUSIC
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  • MUSIC
  • 00:08:24.190 --> 00:08:26.100
  • MATT HAGEE: WELCOME BACK TO
  • 00:08:26.100 --> 00:08:27.000
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:27.190
  • KENDAL AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING
  • 00:08:27.190 --> 00:08:29.070
  • A WONDERFUL CONVERSATION
  • 00:08:29.070 --> 00:08:30.000
  • WITH RAVI ZACHARIAS.
  • 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:31.030
  • AND RAVI,
  • 00:08:31.030 --> 00:08:33.020
  • YOU KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS
  • 00:08:33.020 --> 00:08:33.210
  • THAT KENDAL ASKED ME WHENEVER
  • 00:08:33.210 --> 00:08:35.140
  • SHE BEGAN TO READ YOUR BOOK
  • 00:08:35.140 --> 00:08:36.250
  • AND UNDERSTAND MORE OF THE WORK
  • 00:08:36.250 --> 00:08:38.270
  • YOU DO,
  • 00:08:38.270 --> 00:08:39.110
  • SHE SAID,
  • 00:08:39.110 --> 00:08:39.260
  • "WHAT IS AN APOLOGIST?"
  • 00:08:39.260 --> 00:08:40.220
  • KENDAL HAGEE: YES.
  • 00:08:40.220 --> 00:08:41.070
  • I WAS LIKE,
  • 00:08:41.070 --> 00:08:41.250
  • "WHAT IS AN APOLOGIST?"
  • 00:08:41.250 --> 00:08:43.040
  • MATT HAGEE: AND I HAVE ALWAYS
  • 00:08:43.040 --> 00:08:45.130
  • KIND OF ANSWERED THAT QUESTION
  • 00:08:45.130 --> 00:08:47.050
  • WITH MAYBE NOT THE MOST
  • 00:08:47.050 --> 00:08:48.120
  • ACCURATE OF TERMS,
  • 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:49.180
  • BUT AT LEAST CREATES
  • 00:08:49.180 --> 00:08:50.040
  • SOME UNDERSTANDING.
  • 00:08:50.040 --> 00:08:50.230
  • I SAID,
  • 00:08:50.230 --> 00:08:51.090
  • "HE'S A DEFENDER OF THE FAITH."
  • 00:08:51.090 --> 00:08:52.230
  • NOW HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT
  • 00:08:52.230 --> 00:08:54.160
  • FOR YOURSELF?
  • 00:08:54.160 --> 00:08:55.040
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: WELL, OF ALL
  • 00:08:55.040 --> 00:08:55.260
  • PEOPLE IN THE SCRIPTURES,
  • 00:08:55.260 --> 00:08:57.090
  • THE WORD IS USED BY PETER,
  • 00:08:57.150 --> 00:09:00.170
  • A FISHERMAN.
  • 00:09:00.170 --> 00:09:01.230
  • YOU KNOW HE IS THE ONE
  • 00:09:01.230 --> 00:09:02.220
  • WHO WITNESSED THE GREAT
  • 00:09:02.220 --> 00:09:05.060
  • TRANSFIGURATION.
  • 00:09:05.060 --> 00:09:07.100
  • BUT HE SAID,
  • 00:09:07.100 --> 00:09:07.250
  • "BUT NOW WE HAVE THE WORD OF
  • 00:09:07.250 --> 00:09:08.240
  • THE PROPHETS MADE MORE CERTAIN,
  • 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:10.150
  • AS CONFIDENCE IN THE WORD."
  • 00:09:10.150 --> 00:09:12.020
  • BUT HE SAYS TO SET APART CHRIST
  • 00:09:12.020 --> 00:09:15.010
  • IN YOUR HEARTS AS LORD,
  • 00:09:15.010 --> 00:09:16.190
  • AND ALWAYS BE PREPARED TO GIVE
  • 00:09:16.190 --> 00:09:18.010
  • A REASON FOR THE HOPE
  • 00:09:18.010 --> 00:09:19.100
  • THAT IS WITHIN YOU,
  • 00:09:19.100 --> 00:09:20.180
  • AND AN ANSWER TO ANYONE
  • 00:09:20.180 --> 00:09:21.220
  • THAT ASKS OF YOU.
  • 00:09:21.220 --> 00:09:23.020
  • BUT TO DO THAT WITH GENTLENESS
  • 00:09:23.020 --> 00:09:24.190
  • AND RESPECT.
  • 00:09:24.190 --> 00:09:25.190
  • THAT REASON,
  • 00:09:25.190 --> 00:09:26.170
  • THAT ANSWER IS THE WORD
  • 00:09:26.170 --> 00:09:27.230
  • "APOLOGIA."
  • 00:09:27.230 --> 00:09:28.230
  • IT'S THE GREEK WORD.
  • 00:09:28.230 --> 00:09:29.240
  • SO THAT'S WHERE WE
  • 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.010
  • TRANSLITERATE IT INTO
  • 00:09:31.010 --> 00:09:32.090
  • APOLOGETICS.
  • 00:09:32.090 --> 00:09:33.190
  • BUT I BELIEVE WHAT APOLOGETICS
  • 00:09:33.190 --> 00:09:36.010
  • REALLY DOES IS GIVE ANSWERS
  • 00:09:36.010 --> 00:09:38.070
  • AND CLARIFIES TRUTH CLAIMS.
  • 00:09:38.070 --> 00:09:40.260
  • WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT DESCENDED
  • 00:09:40.260 --> 00:09:42.250
  • AT PENTECOST,
  • 00:09:42.250 --> 00:09:43.150
  • THEY'RE ALL CONFUSED.
  • 00:09:43.150 --> 00:09:44.160
  • PETER SAYS, "LET ME EXPLAIN,"
  • 00:09:44.160 --> 00:09:47.030
  • LET ME GIVE YOU THE ANSWER.
  • 00:09:47.030 --> 00:09:48.160
  • "THIS IS THAT WHICH WAS SPOKEN
  • 00:09:48.160 --> 00:09:49.250
  • OF BY THE PROPHET JOEL."
  • 00:09:49.250 --> 00:09:51.090
  • SO HE'S GIVING THE EVIDENCE,
  • 00:09:51.090 --> 00:09:52.170
  • MAKING THE CONNECTION,
  • 00:09:52.170 --> 00:09:53.140
  • MAKING IT CLEAR.
  • 00:09:53.140 --> 00:09:54.170
  • A GOOD APOLOGIST STARTS
  • 00:09:54.170 --> 00:09:56.000
  • WITH SETTING APART HIS HEART
  • 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:57.210
  • FOR CHRIST,
  • 00:09:57.210 --> 00:09:58.270
  • DOES IT RESPECTFULLY
  • 00:09:58.270 --> 00:10:00.090
  • FOR THE QUESTIONER,
  • 00:10:00.090 --> 00:10:01.180
  • BUT DOES IT WITH THE TRUTH
  • 00:10:01.180 --> 00:10:02.290
  • OF THE WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:10:02.290 --> 00:10:03.280
  • SO THAT'S WHAT "APOLOGETICS"
  • 00:10:03.280 --> 00:10:05.000
  • IS.
  • 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:05.210
  • MATT HAGEE: AND REALLY,
  • 00:10:05.210 --> 00:10:06.160
  • ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS
  • 00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:07.080
  • ALWAYS DRAWN ME TO YOUR WORK
  • 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.010
  • AND TO YOUR MINISTRY IS THOSE
  • 00:10:09.010 --> 00:10:10.260
  • VERY EVIDENT INGREDIENTS.
  • 00:10:10.260 --> 00:10:13.130
  • YOU HAVE A CONVICTION ABOUT
  • 00:10:13.130 --> 00:10:14.280
  • WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
  • 00:10:14.280 --> 00:10:16.120
  • YOU'RE NOT QUESTIONING
  • 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:17.140
  • THE ANSWER;
  • 00:10:17.140 --> 00:10:17.280
  • YOU'RE DELIVERING IT,
  • 00:10:17.280 --> 00:10:19.080
  • WHICH TYPICALLY
  • 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:20.090
  • WITH THAT BOLDNESS,
  • 00:10:20.090 --> 00:10:21.240
  • GENTLENESS IS SOMEWHAT
  • 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:22.260
  • DIFFICULT.
  • 00:10:22.260 --> 00:10:23.190
  • BECAUSE THERE'S --
  • 00:10:23.190 --> 00:10:24.180
  • YOU KNOW, I MEAN I COME FROM
  • 00:10:24.180 --> 00:10:25.140
  • A VERY BOLD LINE OF SPEAKERS.
  • 00:10:25.140 --> 00:10:27.100
  • AND AT TIMES,
  • 00:10:27.100 --> 00:10:29.020
  • IT'S DIFFICULT TO CONTROL THE
  • 00:10:29.020 --> 00:10:31.190
  • PASSION THAT YOU FEEL FOR THE
  • 00:10:31.190 --> 00:10:33.220
  • PERSUASION OF THE INDIVIDUAL.
  • 00:10:33.220 --> 00:10:35.260
  • AND YOU DO THAT IN SUCH A WAY
  • 00:10:35.260 --> 00:10:37.140
  • THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WALK
  • 00:10:37.140 --> 00:10:38.190
  • INTO SOME VERY DIFFICULT ARENAS
  • 00:10:38.190 --> 00:10:40.260
  • AND BRING TRUTH,
  • 00:10:40.260 --> 00:10:42.080
  • AND ENABLE PEOPLE TO HEAR
  • 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.060
  • TRUTH,
  • 00:10:44.060 --> 00:10:45.040
  • AND REALLY SEE GOD DO WONDERFUL
  • 00:10:45.040 --> 00:10:46.280
  • THINGS.
  • 00:10:46.280 --> 00:10:47.140
  • AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT,
  • 00:10:47.140 --> 00:10:48.180
  • YOU KNOW,
  • 00:10:48.180 --> 00:10:49.060
  • JUST COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
  • 00:10:49.060 --> 00:10:49.210
  • I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OVER
  • 00:10:49.210 --> 00:10:50.160
  • THE WORLD WHERE MANY CASES
  • 00:10:50.160 --> 00:10:52.080
  • CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A WELCOMED
  • 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:53.260
  • FAITH AT ALL.
  • 00:10:53.260 --> 00:10:54.260
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: YOU'RE
  • 00:10:54.260 --> 00:10:55.180
  • VERY KIND, AND THANK YOU, MATT,
  • 00:10:55.180 --> 00:10:56.160
  • FOR THAT,
  • 00:10:56.160 --> 00:10:57.140
  • BECAUSE YOU DON'T ALWAYS
  • 00:10:57.140 --> 00:10:58.250
  • SUCCEED WITH WHAT YOU HAD
  • 00:10:58.250 --> 00:11:00.240
  • INTENDED IN THE MANNER.
  • 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:02.210
  • YOU SEE IT'S BOTH THE MESSAGE
  • 00:11:02.210 --> 00:11:03.240
  • AND THE MANNER.
  • 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:05.070
  • WHEN YOU LOOK AT JESUS TALKING
  • 00:11:05.070 --> 00:11:06.180
  • TO THE WOMAN AT THE WELL,
  • 00:11:06.180 --> 00:11:08.090
  • IT AMAZES ME HOW HE WAS GENTLY
  • 00:11:08.140 --> 00:11:11.140
  • REALLY PUTTING HIS ARMS AROUND
  • 00:11:11.140 --> 00:11:12.280
  • HER IN A METAPHORICAL SENSE
  • 00:11:12.280 --> 00:11:15.060
  • TO SAY TO HER,
  • 00:11:15.060 --> 00:11:15.280
  • I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
  • 00:11:15.280 --> 00:11:17.260
  • I KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GONE WRONG
  • 00:11:17.260 --> 00:11:19.250
  • WITH YOU.
  • 00:11:19.250 --> 00:11:20.210
  • YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS
  • 00:11:20.210 --> 00:11:21.190
  • ABOUT WORSHIP,
  • 00:11:21.190 --> 00:11:22.140
  • BUT THAT'S NOT
  • 00:11:22.140 --> 00:11:23.020
  • YOUR REAL PROBLEM.
  • 00:11:23.020 --> 00:11:24.070
  • YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'RE
  • 00:11:24.070 --> 00:11:25.120
  • A WOMAN LIVING WITH
  • 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:26.230
  • SUCH BROKENNESS,
  • 00:11:26.230 --> 00:11:28.040
  • AND YOU NEED THAT SPRING
  • 00:11:28.040 --> 00:11:29.240
  • OF LIVING WATER.
  • 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:30.260
  • MATT HAGEE: AND IT WAS
  • 00:11:30.260 --> 00:11:31.200
  • A CONTROVERSIAL CONVERSATION,
  • 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:32.220
  • BECAUSE WHEN THE DISCIPLES CAME
  • 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:35.010
  • BACK, THEY SAID,
  • 00:11:35.010 --> 00:11:35.170
  • HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
  • 00:11:35.170 --> 00:11:37.130
  • I MEAN HOW BIG A SCANDAL
  • 00:11:37.130 --> 00:11:38.090
  • HAVE YOU STARTED?
  • 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:39.210
  • AND HERE JESUS IS LETTING THEM
  • 00:11:39.210 --> 00:11:42.120
  • SEE THAT YOU CAN DO
  • 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.250
  • CONTROVERSIAL THINGS
  • 00:11:44.250 --> 00:11:45.230
  • IF YOUR MOTIVE IS FOR TRUTH
  • 00:11:45.230 --> 00:11:47.200
  • AND ALLOW GOD'S WORD TO WORK.
  • 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.230
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: AND BE WINSOME;
  • 00:11:49.230 --> 00:11:50.250
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:11:50.250 --> 00:11:51.080
  • AND SO PAUL WAS THE GREAT
  • 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:52.190
  • APOLOGIST OF HIS TIME,
  • 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:54.230
  • APOLOGIST.
  • 00:11:54.230 --> 00:11:55.290
  • AND ACTUALLY THE BOOK OF LUKE
  • 00:11:55.290 --> 00:11:57.050
  • ACTS.
  • 00:11:57.050 --> 00:11:58.110
  • LUKE WAS A PHYSICIAN,
  • 00:11:58.110 --> 00:12:00.030
  • AND HE IS TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:12:00.030 --> 00:12:02.000
  • THE HISTORICAL VERACITY
  • 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:03.290
  • OF THE FAITH.
  • 00:12:03.290 --> 00:12:04.280
  • JOHN SAYS,
  • 00:12:04.280 --> 00:12:05.170
  • "THESE THINGS ARE WRITTEN THAT
  • 00:12:05.170 --> 00:12:06.220
  • YOU MIGHT KNOW THE TRUTH."
  • 00:12:06.260 --> 00:12:09.260
  • AND HE GIVES CONVERSATIONS
  • 00:12:09.260 --> 00:12:11.150
  • OF PILATE'S.
  • 00:12:11.150 --> 00:12:13.010
  • TRUTH IS A DISAPPEARING
  • 00:12:13.010 --> 00:12:14.230
  • CATEGORY IN OUR TIMES.
  • 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:16.270
  • FEELING AND OPINIONS
  • 00:12:16.270 --> 00:12:18.170
  • AND IDEOLOGY HAS TAKEN OVER.
  • 00:12:18.170 --> 00:12:20.260
  • SO I ALWAYS TELL
  • 00:12:20.260 --> 00:12:22.000
  • MY COLLEAGUES --
  • 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:22.200
  • WE HAVE 93 SPEAKERS ON OUR TEAM
  • 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.270
  • PLACED ACROSS 15 COUNTRIES.
  • 00:12:24.270 --> 00:12:26.200
  • I'M JUST ONE OF THEM.
  • 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.020
  • AND THE -- I ALWAYS SAY
  • 00:12:28.020 --> 00:12:29.070
  • TO THEM,
  • 00:12:29.070 --> 00:12:29.210
  • "YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING
  • 00:12:29.210 --> 00:12:30.160
  • A QUESTION;
  • 00:12:30.160 --> 00:12:31.180
  • YOU'RE ANSWERING A QUESTIONER,
  • 00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:33.200
  • BECAUSE BEHIND EVERY QUESTION
  • 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.100
  • IS A QUESTIONER."
  • 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:36.070
  • IF YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT
  • 00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:37.120
  • BUT LOSE THE PERSON,
  • 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:38.100
  • WHAT HAVE YOU REALLY
  • 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:39.030
  • ACCOMPLISHED?
  • 00:12:39.030 --> 00:12:40.120
  • SO GOOD APOLOGETICS RECOGNIZES
  • 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:42.260
  • THE INDIVIDUAL AND HIS
  • 00:12:42.260 --> 00:12:44.050
  • OR HER SINCERITY.
  • 00:12:44.050 --> 00:12:45.210
  • AND YOU HAVE TO BE GENTLE,
  • 00:12:45.210 --> 00:12:46.230
  • BUT HERE.
  • 00:12:46.230 --> 00:12:47.210
  • AND SO THE OTHER TWIN REALITIES
  • 00:12:47.210 --> 00:12:49.110
  • ARE CONVICTION WITH COMPASSION.
  • 00:12:49.110 --> 00:12:51.170
  • IF YOU JUST HAVE CONVICTION
  • 00:12:51.170 --> 00:12:52.140
  • BUT NO COMPASSION,
  • 00:12:52.140 --> 00:12:53.200
  • THE TRUTH BECOMES UNATTRACTIVE.
  • 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:55.140
  • IF YOU HAVE COMPASSION
  • 00:12:55.140 --> 00:12:56.130
  • WITH NO CONVICTION,
  • 00:12:56.130 --> 00:12:57.140
  • THEN IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPINION;
  • 00:12:57.140 --> 00:12:59.050
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:12:59.050 --> 00:12:59.180
  • SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE
  • 00:12:59.180 --> 00:13:00.130
  • THE CONVICTION OF TRUTH AND
  • 00:13:00.130 --> 00:13:01.200
  • THE COMPASSION FOR THE PERSON.
  • 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.050
  • MATT HAGEE: AND I THINK
  • 00:13:03.050 --> 00:13:03.250
  • SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S ALSO
  • 00:13:03.250 --> 00:13:05.180
  • A PART OF YOUR MINISTRY
  • 00:13:05.180 --> 00:13:06.120
  • THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE
  • 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:07.210
  • IS THAT IT'S RELATABLE.
  • 00:13:07.210 --> 00:13:10.200
  • WHEN IT COMES TO THE
  • 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.000
  • EXPLANATIONS THAT I'VE HEARD
  • 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.270
  • THEOLOGIANS, APOLOGISTS,
  • 00:13:13.270 --> 00:13:15.120
  • INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WELL VERSED
  • 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.050
  • IN DOCTRINE;
  • 00:13:17.050 --> 00:13:18.130
  • THEY BEGIN MANY TIMES
  • 00:13:18.130 --> 00:13:19.200
  • WITH SAYING,
  • 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:20.070
  • "NOW YOU'RE NOT GOING
  • 00:13:20.070 --> 00:13:21.020
  • TO UNDERSTAND THIS."
  • 00:13:21.020 --> 00:13:22.070
  • AND THEN THEY START USING TERMS
  • 00:13:22.070 --> 00:13:23.190
  • THAT I'M NOT CERTAIN
  • 00:13:23.190 --> 00:13:24.240
  • THEY UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.140
  • BUT IN MANY CASES,
  • 00:13:26.140 --> 00:13:28.130
  • YOU BEGIN WITH A LOGICAL
  • 00:13:28.130 --> 00:13:29.280
  • CONTEXT THAT MOVES
  • 00:13:29.280 --> 00:13:31.080
  • INTO A SPIRITUAL APPLICATION.
  • 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.090
  • AND I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT
  • 00:13:33.090 --> 00:13:35.010
  • YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PETER
  • 00:13:35.010 --> 00:13:36.060
  • AT PENTECOST,
  • 00:13:36.060 --> 00:13:36.200
  • BECAUSE HE DID THE SAME THING.
  • 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.040
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: RIGHT.
  • 00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:38.180
  • MATT HAGEE: HE SAID,
  • 00:13:38.180 --> 00:13:39.070
  • "THESE MEN AREN'T DRUNK
  • 00:13:39.070 --> 00:13:39.260
  • AS YOU SUPPOSE."
  • 00:13:39.260 --> 00:13:40.150
  • HE STARTED WITH THE LOGIC.
  • 00:13:40.150 --> 00:13:41.090
  • HE SAID, LOOK;
  • 00:13:41.090 --> 00:13:41.250
  • WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT WHAT YOU
  • 00:13:41.250 --> 00:13:43.000
  • SEE.
  • 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:43.110
  • NOW LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THIS
  • 00:13:43.110 --> 00:13:44.180
  • IS.
  • 00:13:44.180 --> 00:13:45.220
  • AND SO HE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN TO
  • 00:13:45.220 --> 00:13:47.290
  • OFFER THEM AN EXPLANATION
  • 00:13:47.290 --> 00:13:49.200
  • BASED ON WHAT HE ADDRESSED
  • 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.290
  • AT THE VERY SURFACE LEVEL.
  • 00:13:50.290 --> 00:13:53.060
  • AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE
  • 00:13:53.060 --> 00:13:53.260
  • PROBLEMS THAT THE CHURCH FACES
  • 00:13:53.260 --> 00:13:55.110
  • THESE DAYS.
  • 00:13:55.110 --> 00:13:56.130
  • IN OUR CULTURE,
  • 00:13:56.130 --> 00:13:57.180
  • PEOPLE FIND OUR FAITH,
  • 00:13:57.180 --> 00:13:58.230
  • IN MANY CASES,
  • 00:13:58.230 --> 00:13:59.130
  • TO BE IRRELEVANT,
  • 00:13:59.130 --> 00:14:00.150
  • BECAUSE IT'S NOT RELATABLE
  • 00:14:00.150 --> 00:14:01.210
  • TO THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN,
  • 00:14:01.210 --> 00:14:03.210
  • BASED ON OUR LACK
  • 00:14:03.210 --> 00:14:04.240
  • OF WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE.
  • 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.260
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: YOU ARE
  • 00:14:06.260 --> 00:14:07.120
  • SO RIGHT.
  • 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:07.260
  • AND I APPRECIATE HOW YOU PHRASE
  • 00:14:07.260 --> 00:14:09.110
  • THE VERY QUESTION
  • 00:14:09.110 --> 00:14:10.070
  • AND THE CONTEXT, MATT.
  • 00:14:10.070 --> 00:14:11.090
  • THIS IS CRITICAL WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:14:11.090 --> 00:14:12.170
  • SAYING.
  • 00:14:12.170 --> 00:14:13.220
  • HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE
  • 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:15.040
  • IN THESE HOSTILE ARENAS?
  • 00:14:15.040 --> 00:14:17.040
  • HOW DO YOU GET THROUGH?
  • 00:14:17.040 --> 00:14:18.100
  • AND ANYONE, WHO'S A MOM OR DAD,
  • 00:14:18.100 --> 00:14:20.170
  • SEES REALITY IN THE QUESTIONS
  • 00:14:20.170 --> 00:14:22.060
  • OF A CHILD.
  • 00:14:22.060 --> 00:14:22.260
  • OKAY.
  • 00:14:22.260 --> 00:14:23.160
  • SO THERE ARE THREE COMPONENTS
  • 00:14:23.160 --> 00:14:25.250
  • TO EVERY RESPONSE.
  • 00:14:25.250 --> 00:14:27.150
  • THERE'S THE ARGUMENT.
  • 00:14:27.150 --> 00:14:28.290
  • THERE'S THE ILLUSTRATION.
  • 00:14:28.290 --> 00:14:30.110
  • AND THERE'S THE APPLICATION.
  • 00:14:30.110 --> 00:14:31.260
  • IF YOU JUST GIVE AN ARGUMENT
  • 00:14:31.260 --> 00:14:33.150
  • BUT IT IS NOT COMMUNICATED
  • 00:14:33.150 --> 00:14:35.120
  • WITH RELEVANCE AND A STORY,
  • 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.120
  • THEN YOU'VE GOT A ROOM FULL
  • 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:38.230
  • OF STUFF WITH NO LIGHT
  • 00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:39.280
  • COMING INTO IT,
  • 00:14:39.280 --> 00:14:41.020
  • AND IF YOU JUST GIVE
  • 00:14:41.020 --> 00:14:41.280
  • THE ARGUMENT AND ILLUSTRATION,
  • 00:14:41.280 --> 00:14:43.090
  • BUT DON'T GIVE THE APPLICATION.
  • 00:14:43.090 --> 00:14:45.020
  • YOU KNOW RECENTLY,
  • 00:14:45.020 --> 00:14:45.250
  • THIS TREMENDOUS EFFORT TO GET
  • 00:14:45.250 --> 00:14:47.190
  • LAND ON THE MOON FROM INDIA,
  • 00:14:47.190 --> 00:14:49.110
  • GAGANYAN 2,
  • 00:14:49.110 --> 00:14:50.180
  • GREAT EFFORT, GREAT SCIENTISTS.
  • 00:14:50.180 --> 00:14:52.150
  • INDIA PRODUCES SOME
  • 00:14:52.150 --> 00:14:53.120
  • OF THE FINEST SCIENTISTS.
  • 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:54.120
  • EVERYTHING WENT WRONG UNTIL
  • 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.070
  • THE LAST KILOMETER AND A HALF.
  • 00:14:56.070 --> 00:14:57.290
  • THEY COULDN'T LAND IT WOULD
  • 00:14:57.290 --> 00:14:59.080
  • WITHOUT BREAKING IT.
  • 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:00.220
  • LANDING THE ANSWER
  • 00:15:00.220 --> 00:15:03.090
  • IS IMPORTANT.
  • 00:15:03.090 --> 00:15:05.000
  • IF YOU JUST GET CLOSE BUT DON'T
  • 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.130
  • LAND IT -- AND OF COURSE,
  • 00:15:07.130 --> 00:15:08.140
  • THE SCIENTISTS WILL LEARN
  • 00:15:08.140 --> 00:15:09.170
  • FROM THAT, WHATEVER WENT WRONG.
  • 00:15:09.170 --> 00:15:11.120
  • THAT'S JUST AN ILLUSTRATION.
  • 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.030
  • BUT YOU HAVE TO GET THROUGH
  • 00:15:13.030 --> 00:15:14.210
  • THE LOGIC OF WHAT IT IS,
  • 00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:16.150
  • SO THAT THE PERSON DOESN'T
  • 00:15:16.150 --> 00:15:17.120
  • THINK YOU'RE DODGING
  • 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:18.170
  • THE QUESTION.
  • 00:15:18.170 --> 00:15:19.180
  • THAT'S THE HARD WORK
  • 00:15:19.180 --> 00:15:20.200
  • OF THE APOLOGISTS.
  • 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:21.210
  • YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
  • 00:15:21.210 --> 00:15:22.080
  • PHILOSOPHY.
  • 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:22.230
  • YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
  • 00:15:22.230 --> 00:15:23.130
  • THE SCIENCES.
  • 00:15:23.130 --> 00:15:24.140
  • YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
  • 00:15:24.140 --> 00:15:25.080
  • METAPHYSICS.
  • 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:26.000
  • THESE ARE ALL FEARSOME TERMS,
  • 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:27.210
  • BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
  • 00:15:27.210 --> 00:15:28.200
  • HOWEVER,
  • 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:29.160
  • IF YOU DON'T GIVE A STORY TO
  • 00:15:29.160 --> 00:15:31.100
  • NARRATE IT AND ILLUSTRATE IT,
  • 00:15:31.100 --> 00:15:33.170
  • IT ALL SORT OF HANGS IN
  • 00:15:33.170 --> 00:15:35.060
  • THAT CLOUDED ATMOSPHERE.
  • 00:15:35.060 --> 00:15:37.110
  • THEY HEAR THE STORY,
  • 00:15:37.110 --> 00:15:37.260
  • AND THEY SAY,
  • 00:15:37.260 --> 00:15:38.090
  • "BOY THE PROBLEM OF SUFFERING,
  • 00:15:38.090 --> 00:15:39.220
  • THIS IS NOT JUST A
  • 00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:40.150
  • PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT.
  • 00:15:40.150 --> 00:15:42.020
  • I HAVE TO STAND BY THE BEDSIDE
  • 00:15:42.020 --> 00:15:43.200
  • OF ONE WHO'S DYING
  • 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:44.170
  • TO UNDERSTAND THE PAIN."
  • 00:15:44.170 --> 00:15:45.190
  • BUT WHEN YOU LAND IT,
  • 00:15:45.190 --> 00:15:47.030
  • YOU HEAR WHAT IT IS;
  • 00:15:47.030 --> 00:15:48.040
  • THAT MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT
  • 00:15:48.040 --> 00:15:49.190
  • FOR THEE,
  • 00:15:49.190 --> 00:15:50.010
  • AND HIS STRENGTH IS MADE
  • 00:15:50.010 --> 00:15:50.270
  • PERFECT IN YOUR WEAKNESS.
  • 00:15:50.270 --> 00:15:52.200
  • THOSE THREE COMPONENTS
  • 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.130
  • ARE INEXTRICABLY JOINED
  • 00:15:54.130 --> 00:15:56.100
  • IN THE MINISTRY OF CHRIST.
  • 00:15:56.100 --> 00:15:57.160
  • THE GOSPEL IS A STORY.
  • 00:15:57.160 --> 00:15:59.040
  • BUT THE GOSPEL GOES BACK
  • 00:15:59.040 --> 00:16:00.180
  • TO CENTURIES OF WAITING
  • 00:16:00.250 --> 00:16:03.250
  • AND ARGUMENT.
  • 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:04.280
  • SO IF WE ARGUE WELL,
  • 00:16:04.280 --> 00:16:06.280
  • ILLUSTRATE WELL, AND APPLY IT,
  • 00:16:06.280 --> 00:16:09.030
  • IT'S VERY HARD FOR THE COUNTER
  • 00:16:09.030 --> 00:16:10.120
  • PERSPECTIVE TO GET THE BETTER
  • 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:11.200
  • OF THAT.
  • 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:12.270
  • MATT HAGEE: ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU
  • 00:16:12.270 --> 00:16:13.240
  • HAVE, AS YOU SAY,
  • 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.230
  • THE CONNECTION
  • 00:16:15.230 --> 00:16:16.250
  • WITH THE CONVICTION; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:16:16.250 --> 00:16:19.030
  • IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT,
  • 00:16:19.030 --> 00:16:21.090
  • IN MY LIFE,
  • 00:16:21.090 --> 00:16:22.030
  • I KNOW THAT IT HAS ALWAYS
  • 00:16:22.030 --> 00:16:23.020
  • BENEFITED ME TO BE CERTAIN
  • 00:16:23.020 --> 00:16:24.280
  • OF WHAT I BELIEVE.
  • 00:16:24.280 --> 00:16:26.010
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: RIGHT.
  • 00:16:26.010 --> 00:16:26.220
  • MATT HAGEE: IN SPITE OF HOW
  • 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:28.160
  • MUCH SKEPTICISM OTHERS MAY HAVE
  • 00:16:28.160 --> 00:16:30.000
  • ABOUT IT; YOU KNOW?
  • 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:31.040
  • IF THEY LOOK YOU IN THE EYE
  • 00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:31.290
  • AND THEY ASK YOU,
  • 00:16:31.290 --> 00:16:32.170
  • "DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT,"
  • 00:16:32.170 --> 00:16:34.040
  • THERE'S SOMETHING DISARMING
  • 00:16:34.040 --> 00:16:35.040
  • WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THEM
  • 00:16:35.040 --> 00:16:35.280
  • AND GO, "YES."
  • 00:16:35.280 --> 00:16:37.070
  • AND SOMETIMES JUST "YES"
  • 00:16:37.070 --> 00:16:39.130
  • AND "NO" ARE THE GREATEST
  • 00:16:39.130 --> 00:16:40.080
  • EXPLANATIONS THAT YOU
  • 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:41.080
  • CAN OFFER.
  • 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:42.090
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:43.040
  • THE ILLUSION UNDER WHICH
  • 00:16:43.040 --> 00:16:43.280
  • WE LIVE; YOU KNOW,
  • 00:16:43.280 --> 00:16:44.290
  • MATT AND KENDAL,
  • 00:16:44.290 --> 00:16:46.030
  • IS THAT PEOPLE SORT OF THINK
  • 00:16:46.030 --> 00:16:48.120
  • WE LIVE BY FAITH,
  • 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.100
  • AND THE SECULAR WORLD LIVES
  • 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:51.180
  • BY RATIONALITY AND REASON.
  • 00:16:51.180 --> 00:16:54.080
  • A QUESTIONER STOOD UP
  • 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:55.090
  • IN BURLINGTON, ONTARIO, CANADA,
  • 00:16:55.090 --> 00:16:57.040
  • AND SAID TO ME,
  • 00:16:57.040 --> 00:16:57.200
  • "YOU KNOW I LIVE
  • 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:58.080
  • BY THE SCIENCES.
  • 00:16:58.080 --> 00:16:59.140
  • I DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR
  • 00:16:59.140 --> 00:17:01.010
  • ALL THESE PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES
  • 00:17:01.010 --> 00:17:03.050
  • AND ETHICAL ISSUES.
  • 00:17:03.050 --> 00:17:04.020
  • I LIVE WITH PURE SCIENCES."
  • 00:17:04.020 --> 00:17:05.230
  • AND SO I SAID, "OKAY.
  • 00:17:05.230 --> 00:17:06.250
  • TELL ME THIS;
  • 00:17:06.250 --> 00:17:07.270
  • WHICH OF THE PURE SCIENCES
  • 00:17:07.270 --> 00:17:09.200
  • GIVES YOU TO IMPERATIVE
  • 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.130
  • FOR THE SCIENTIST TO BE HONEST
  • 00:17:11.130 --> 00:17:13.000
  • IN THEIR FINDINGS?
  • 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.050
  • WHAT CONCEPT FROM PHYSICS OR
  • 00:17:15.050 --> 00:17:17.080
  • CHEMISTRY TELLS THE SCIENTIST,
  • 00:17:17.080 --> 00:17:19.110
  • "BE HONEST IN YOUR FINDINGS?"
  • 00:17:19.110 --> 00:17:21.120
  • I SAID, "THAT'S NOT PHYSICS;
  • 00:17:21.120 --> 00:17:23.060
  • THAT'S ETHICS.
  • 00:17:23.060 --> 00:17:24.140
  • THAT'S METAPHYSICS."
  • 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:25.160
  • I SAID, "SO YOU'RE NOT A PURE
  • 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:26.180
  • SCIENTIST,
  • 00:17:26.180 --> 00:17:27.100
  • REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS THAT
  • 00:17:27.100 --> 00:17:28.160
  • YOU'RE SAYING."
  • 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:29.130
  • THIS IS WHAT MADE AMERICA WHAT
  • 00:17:29.130 --> 00:17:31.090
  • IT IS AND WE'RE LOSING IT.
  • 00:17:31.090 --> 00:17:32.250
  • FOR AMERICA,
  • 00:17:32.250 --> 00:17:33.140
  • REASONING ALONE WAS NOT
  • 00:17:33.140 --> 00:17:34.200
  • IMPORTANT.
  • 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:35.140
  • MORAL REASONING WAS CRITICAL
  • 00:17:35.140 --> 00:17:38.070
  • ACTUALLY.
  • 00:17:38.070 --> 00:17:38.220
  • SO THE IMPACT OF THE WESLEY'S,
  • 00:17:38.220 --> 00:17:39.140
  • AND THE WHITFIELD'S,
  • 00:17:39.140 --> 00:17:40.080
  • AND THE EVANGELISTS ACROSS
  • 00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:41.150
  • THE DECADES HAS SHAPED
  • 00:17:41.150 --> 00:17:43.110
  • THE ETHOS OF THIS CULTURE.
  • 00:17:43.110 --> 00:17:45.030
  • AND IF WE LOSE IT,
  • 00:17:45.030 --> 00:17:46.090
  • WE REALLY LOSE WHAT WAS
  • 00:17:46.090 --> 00:17:47.120
  • DISTINCTIVE OF THIS WORLD.
  • 00:17:47.120 --> 00:17:48.290
  • MATT HAGEE: AND AS YOU TALK
  • 00:17:48.290 --> 00:17:49.220
  • ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT
  • 00:17:49.220 --> 00:17:50.150
  • OF OUR HISTORY,
  • 00:17:50.150 --> 00:17:51.210
  • I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT,
  • 00:17:51.210 --> 00:17:53.150
  • WITH INTENTION,
  • 00:17:53.150 --> 00:17:55.240
  • THOSE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT
  • 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.030
  • AGENDA THAN THE FOUNDATIONS
  • 00:17:57.030 --> 00:17:59.110
  • THAT HAVE BUILT THIS NATION,
  • 00:17:59.110 --> 00:18:00.290
  • HAVE REMOVED THAT CONTEXT FROM
  • 00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:03.080
  • WHAT WE'RE TEACHING IN
  • 00:18:03.080 --> 00:18:04.190
  • OUR CLASSROOMS AND WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:18:04.190 --> 00:18:05.290
  • TEACHING TO OUR CHILDREN;
  • 00:18:05.290 --> 00:18:06.280
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:18:06.280 --> 00:18:07.140
  • THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE,
  • 00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:08.290
  • TODAY IN HISTORY,
  • 00:18:08.290 --> 00:18:10.060
  • SEVERAL HISTORICAL EVENTS
  • 00:18:10.060 --> 00:18:11.180
  • THAT REALLY SHAPED
  • 00:18:11.180 --> 00:18:12.220
  • THE AMERICAN OUTCOME.
  • 00:18:12.220 --> 00:18:14.040
  • FOR EXAMPLE,
  • 00:18:14.040 --> 00:18:15.060
  • FRANCE WENT THROUGH
  • 00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:16.020
  • A REVOLUTION.
  • 00:18:16.020 --> 00:18:17.020
  • FRANCE DECIDED THAT LIBERTY,
  • 00:18:17.020 --> 00:18:18.140
  • AND FRATERNITY,
  • 00:18:18.140 --> 00:18:19.090
  • AND ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE
  • 00:18:19.090 --> 00:18:20.210
  • GOING TO BE THE VALUES
  • 00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:22.010
  • OF THEIR REGIME.
  • 00:18:22.010 --> 00:18:23.260
  • AND ALL THEY CONTINUOUSLY DID
  • 00:18:23.260 --> 00:18:25.060
  • FOR YEARS WAS BEHEAD
  • 00:18:25.060 --> 00:18:26.050
  • ONE ANOTHER.
  • 00:18:26.050 --> 00:18:27.020
  • WHY?
  • 00:18:27.020 --> 00:18:27.200
  • BECAUSE IT WASN'T CONNECTED
  • 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:28.180
  • TO FAITH.
  • 00:18:28.180 --> 00:18:29.250
  • YOU KNOW OUR FREEDOM WAS NOT
  • 00:18:29.250 --> 00:18:31.170
  • GIVING US A LICENSE TO DO
  • 00:18:31.170 --> 00:18:32.200
  • AS WE WANTED.
  • 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:33.260
  • OUR FREEDOM WAS GIVING US
  • 00:18:33.260 --> 00:18:34.260
  • A LICENSE TO DO AS WE SHOULD.
  • 00:18:34.260 --> 00:18:36.230
  • AND WHAT SHAPED -- WHAT WE
  • 00:18:36.230 --> 00:18:38.100
  • SHOULD DO WAS THE WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:18:38.100 --> 00:18:40.100
  • AND WHEN YOU ERASE THAT CHAPTER
  • 00:18:40.210 --> 00:18:43.210
  • OF YOUR HISTORY SO THAT YOU CAN
  • 00:18:43.210 --> 00:18:45.120
  • TWIST THE FUTURE
  • 00:18:45.120 --> 00:18:46.200
  • OR MANIPULATE IT,
  • 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:48.060
  • YOU'RE REALLY PLAYING
  • 00:18:48.060 --> 00:18:49.070
  • A DANGEROUS GAME THAT HAS
  • 00:18:49.070 --> 00:18:50.210
  • LONG-RUNNING CONSEQUENCES.
  • 00:18:50.210 --> 00:18:52.040
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: YOU'RE RIGHT
  • 00:18:52.040 --> 00:18:52.290
  • ON.
  • 00:18:52.290 --> 00:18:53.260
  • AND THIS WAS THE DIFFERENCE
  • 00:18:53.260 --> 00:18:55.050
  • ACROSS THE LAST FEW DECADES
  • 00:18:55.050 --> 00:18:56.240
  • BETWEEN EUROPE,
  • 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:57.200
  • THE UNITED STATES,
  • 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:58.280
  • AND THE UNITED KINGDOM
  • 00:18:58.280 --> 00:19:00.040
  • ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
  • 00:19:00.040 --> 00:19:01.280
  • REASON, RATIONALISM,
  • 00:19:01.280 --> 00:19:03.250
  • EXISTENTIALISM, AND PURICISM,
  • 00:19:03.250 --> 00:19:05.280
  • ALL OF THESE "ISMS" CAME TO US
  • 00:19:05.280 --> 00:19:07.090
  • FROM EUROPE.
  • 00:19:07.090 --> 00:19:08.140
  • AND IT WAS A VERY VALID
  • 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:09.280
  • CONTRIBUTION.
  • 00:19:09.280 --> 00:19:10.280
  • BUT IF YOU TAKE AWAY MORAL
  • 00:19:10.280 --> 00:19:12.010
  • REASONING FROM ALL OF THAT,
  • 00:19:12.010 --> 00:19:13.040
  • WHAT DO THESE "ISMS" REALLY,
  • 00:19:13.040 --> 00:19:14.190
  • AS E.V. HILL,
  • 00:19:14.190 --> 00:19:15.220
  • THE FAMED AFRICAN PREACHER,
  • 00:19:15.220 --> 00:19:17.060
  • USED TO SAY,
  • 00:19:17.060 --> 00:19:18.100
  • "THESE ISMS SHOULD BECOME
  • 00:19:18.100 --> 00:19:19.100
  • THE WASISMS."
  • 00:19:19.100 --> 00:19:20.150
  • (LAUGHTER)
  • 00:19:20.150 --> 00:19:22.040
  • YOU TAKE THE STORY OF ISRAEL.
  • 00:19:22.040 --> 00:19:24.210
  • IT IS SO BEAUTIFULLY LOGICAL.
  • 00:19:25.040 --> 00:19:28.040
  • FIRST, THEY ARE REDEEMED.
  • 00:19:28.040 --> 00:19:30.110
  • "I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD,
  • 00:19:30.110 --> 00:19:31.110
  • WHO BROUGHT YOU OUT OF THE LAND
  • 00:19:31.110 --> 00:19:32.060
  • OF EGYPT."
  • 00:19:32.060 --> 00:19:33.040
  • ON THAT PEG,
  • 00:19:33.040 --> 00:19:34.000
  • HANGS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
  • 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:35.200
  • SO REDEMPTION ALWAYS PRECEDES
  • 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.030
  • RIGHTEOUSNESS,
  • 00:19:37.030 --> 00:19:38.050
  • AND THEN WORSHIP.
  • 00:19:38.050 --> 00:19:39.160
  • THE LOGIC OF GOD
  • 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:40.220
  • IS INESCAPABLE.
  • 00:19:40.220 --> 00:19:42.280
  • YOU SEE JESUS DIDN'T REALLY
  • 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:43.220
  • COME INTO THIS WORLD TO MAKE
  • 00:19:43.220 --> 00:19:44.220
  • BAD PEOPLE GOOD.
  • 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:46.010
  • HE CAME INTO THIS WORLD
  • 00:19:46.010 --> 00:19:46.200
  • TO MAKE DEAD PEOPLE LIVE.
  • 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.110
  • WE'RE DEAD TO GOD.
  • 00:19:48.110 --> 00:19:49.230
  • HE TRANSFORMS THAT HEART,
  • 00:19:49.230 --> 00:19:52.100
  • AWAKENS THAT DEAD CONSCIENCE,
  • 00:19:52.100 --> 00:19:54.070
  • AS IT WERE;
  • 00:19:54.070 --> 00:19:55.080
  • AND PUTS THAT TRUTH INTO US
  • 00:19:55.080 --> 00:19:58.070
  • AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
  • 00:19:58.070 --> 00:19:59.020
  • WITHIN EVERY BELIEVER.
  • 00:19:59.020 --> 00:20:00.270
  • THE MORE YOU LISTEN TO
  • 00:20:00.270 --> 00:20:02.090
  • THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS,
  • 00:20:02.090 --> 00:20:03.140
  • YOU'LL FIND OUT HOW COHERENT
  • 00:20:03.140 --> 00:20:06.010
  • IT IS.
  • 00:20:06.010 --> 00:20:07.000
  • AND IT IS THE ONLY MESSAGE
  • 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:08.120
  • IN THE WORLD THAT READS ME
  • 00:20:08.120 --> 00:20:10.190
  • ACCURATELY;
  • 00:20:10.190 --> 00:20:11.270
  • AND THEREFORE,
  • 00:20:11.270 --> 00:20:12.160
  • PROVIDES THE SOLUTION
  • 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.100
  • FOR MY REAL MALADY,
  • 00:20:14.100 --> 00:20:16.010
  • WHICH IS A HEART OF REBELLION
  • 00:20:16.010 --> 00:20:17.090
  • AGAINST GOD.
  • 00:20:17.090 --> 00:20:18.220
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL,
  • 00:20:18.220 --> 00:20:19.130
  • THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING TO
  • 00:20:19.130 --> 00:20:20.050
  • CONTINUE.
  • 00:20:20.050 --> 00:20:20.210
  • AND WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US
  • 00:20:20.210 --> 00:20:22.100
  • AGAIN RIGHT HERE ON
  • 00:20:22.100 --> 00:20:23.160
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:24.240
  • MUSIC
  • 00:20:25.290 --> 00:20:28.290
  • MUSIC
  • 00:20:28.290 --> 00:20:29.240
  • YOU AND YOUR FAMILY CAN EXPLORE
  • 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:31.030
  • ISRAEL WITH PASTOR MATT,
  • 00:20:31.030 --> 00:20:32.180
  • KENDAL,
  • 00:20:32.180 --> 00:20:33.040
  • AND THEIR CHILDREN
  • 00:20:33.040 --> 00:20:34.020
  • ON THE 2020 ISRAEL FAMILY TRIP.
  • 00:20:34.020 --> 00:20:36.140
  • THIS ISN'T YOUR TYPICAL
  • 00:20:36.140 --> 00:20:37.100
  • PILGRIMAGE.
  • 00:20:37.100 --> 00:20:38.110
  • THIS FUN AND EXCITING TRIP
  • 00:20:38.110 --> 00:20:39.200
  • IS DESIGNED FOR FAMILIES.
  • 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.070
  • MORE THAN JUST VISITING
  • 00:20:41.070 --> 00:20:42.060
  • HISTORICAL PLACES,
  • 00:20:42.060 --> 00:20:43.190
  • PAST WILL MEET PRESENT,
  • 00:20:43.190 --> 00:20:44.210
  • AS YOU SAIL ACROSS THE SEA
  • 00:20:44.210 --> 00:20:46.020
  • OF GALILEE.
  • 00:20:46.020 --> 00:20:47.040
  • DISCOVER ANCIENT ANTIQUITIES
  • 00:20:47.040 --> 00:20:48.240
  • WHILE ON AN ARCHEOLOGICAL DIG.
  • 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:50.220
  • RECREATE THE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE
  • 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:52.060
  • OF AN ANCIENT BIBLICAL VILLAGE,
  • 00:20:52.060 --> 00:20:53.260
  • INCLUDING HERDING SHEEP
  • 00:20:53.260 --> 00:20:55.010
  • AND MAKING CHEESE.
  • 00:20:55.010 --> 00:20:56.070
  • MUSIC
  • 00:20:56.070 --> 00:20:57.050
  • FLOAT ON THE DEAD SEA
  • 00:20:57.050 --> 00:20:58.070
  • AND SWIM IN THE MEDITERRANEAN.
  • 00:20:58.070 --> 00:20:59.250
  • TAKE COMMUNION
  • 00:20:59.250 --> 00:21:00.180
  • AT THE GARDEN TOMB,
  • 00:21:00.180 --> 00:21:01.170
  • AND BE BAPTIZED
  • 00:21:01.170 --> 00:21:02.120
  • IN THE JORDAN RIVER.
  • 00:21:02.120 --> 00:21:03.220
  • WHETHER YOU'RE RIDING ATV'S
  • 00:21:03.220 --> 00:21:04.250
  • ACROSS THE DESERT
  • 00:21:04.250 --> 00:21:05.230
  • OR TAKING PART
  • 00:21:05.230 --> 00:21:06.210
  • IN A CAMEL CARAVAN,
  • 00:21:06.210 --> 00:21:07.270
  • THIS IS THE PERFECT WAY
  • 00:21:07.270 --> 00:21:08.280
  • TO BRING THE BIBLE TO LIFE
  • 00:21:08.280 --> 00:21:10.080
  • FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
  • 00:21:10.080 --> 00:21:11.220
  • SPACE IS LIMITED,
  • 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:12.270
  • SO CALL OR GO TO JHM.ORG
  • 00:21:12.270 --> 00:21:15.260
  • FOR MORE INFORMATION,
  • 00:21:15.260 --> 00:21:17.070
  • AND RESERVE YOUR SPOT
  • 00:21:17.070 --> 00:21:18.100
  • ON THIS ONE-OF-A-KIND TOUR
  • 00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:20.000
  • TODAY.
  • 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:20.280
  • MUSIC
  • 00:21:23.190 --> 00:21:26.190
  • MUSIC
  • 00:21:26.190 --> 00:21:27.010
  • GO.
  • 00:21:27.010 --> 00:21:27.250
  • GO AND TELL THE WORLD
  • 00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:29.000
  • THAT JESUS CAME, DIED
  • 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:30.200
  • AND ROSE AGAIN
  • 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:31.210
  • FOR THE FORGIVENESS
  • 00:21:31.210 --> 00:21:32.090
  • OF YOUR SINS.
  • 00:21:32.090 --> 00:21:33.140
  • GO AND SHARE THE GOOD NEWS
  • 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:34.110
  • OF YOUR SALVATION.
  • 00:21:34.110 --> 00:21:35.260
  • TAKE IT INTO THE FURTHERMOST
  • 00:21:35.260 --> 00:21:37.050
  • CORNERS OF THE WORLD.
  • 00:21:37.050 --> 00:21:38.060
  • THIS CHARGE IS FOR EVERY
  • 00:21:38.060 --> 00:21:39.080
  • CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:21:39.080 --> 00:21:39.290
  • BUT NOT EVERY CHRISTIAN KNOWS
  • 00:21:39.290 --> 00:21:41.110
  • HOW TO PREACH AMONGST
  • 00:21:41.110 --> 00:21:42.100
  • THE DAY-TO-DAY RHYTHMS OF LIFE.
  • 00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:43.270
  • WE DO AND WE CAN DO THIS
  • 00:21:43.270 --> 00:21:45.170
  • TOGETHER.
  • 00:21:45.170 --> 00:21:46.130
  • CONNECT YOUR PASSION WITH OURS.
  • 00:21:46.130 --> 00:21:48.130
  • BECOME A LEGACY PARTNER TODAY.
  • 00:21:48.130 --> 00:21:49.290
  • CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN
  • 00:21:49.290 --> 00:21:51.070
  • OR GO TO JHM.ORG/LEGACY.
  • 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:54.240
  • MUSIC
  • 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.180
  • MUSIC
  • 00:21:55.180 --> 00:21:57.090
  • KENDAL HAGEE: WELCOME BACK TO
  • 00:21:57.090 --> 00:21:57.290
  • "THE DIFFERENCE."
  • 00:21:57.290 --> 00:21:58.160
  • I AM ENJOYING JUST SITTING HERE
  • 00:21:58.160 --> 00:21:59.230
  • LISTENING TO MATT AND RAVI
  • 00:21:59.230 --> 00:22:01.130
  • TALK ABOUT THEIR, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:22:01.130 --> 00:22:02.250
  • ALL THE EXCHANGE BACK
  • 00:22:02.250 --> 00:22:03.180
  • AND FORTH, AND HIS BOOK.
  • 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:04.170
  • AND SOMETHING THAT IS
  • 00:22:04.170 --> 00:22:05.220
  • INTRIGUING FOR ME IS TALKING
  • 00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:07.000
  • ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION.
  • 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.130
  • HOW DO WE INSTILL THIS BOLDNESS
  • 00:22:08.130 --> 00:22:10.080
  • AND COURAGE IN CHRISTIANS
  • 00:22:10.080 --> 00:22:12.040
  • TO LIVE OUT THEIR FAITH?
  • 00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:13.060
  • YOU TALKED ABOUT IT
  • 00:22:13.060 --> 00:22:13.250
  • IN YOUR DEVOTION ABOUT,
  • 00:22:13.250 --> 00:22:14.210
  • "DON'T JUST SAY IT,
  • 00:22:14.210 --> 00:22:15.200
  • BUT BELIEVE IT,
  • 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:16.200
  • AND LIVE IT OUT."
  • 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:18.100
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: WELL,
  • 00:22:18.100 --> 00:22:19.000
  • I THINK IF THEY DON'T SEE IT
  • 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:20.170
  • LIVED OUT,
  • 00:22:20.170 --> 00:22:21.200
  • THEY SEE THE MESSAGE AS HOLLOW
  • 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.210
  • AND THEORETICAL.
  • 00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:25.130
  • PAUL TELLS TIMOTHY TO GUARD
  • 00:22:25.130 --> 00:22:27.260
  • HIS DOCTRINE AND HIS CONDUCT.
  • 00:22:27.260 --> 00:22:30.260
  • I THINK WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN
  • 00:22:30.260 --> 00:22:32.110
  • YOUR HEART MUST WORK ITSELF OUT
  • 00:22:32.110 --> 00:22:34.210
  • IN THE WAY YOU LIVE.
  • 00:22:34.210 --> 00:22:36.000
  • AND AFTER ALL,
  • 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:36.210
  • THE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS THE ONLY
  • 00:22:36.210 --> 00:22:37.200
  • ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT
  • 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:38.270
  • A SUPERNATURAL REGENERATION;
  • 00:22:38.270 --> 00:22:41.000
  • THAT GOD CHANGES THE HEART,
  • 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.100
  • GOD DOESN'T JUST CHANGE
  • 00:22:42.100 --> 00:22:43.100
  • WHAT YOU DO.
  • 00:22:43.100 --> 00:22:43.290
  • HE CHANGES WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
  • 00:22:43.290 --> 00:22:46.120
  • MY FRIENDS FROM INDIA,
  • 00:22:46.120 --> 00:22:47.190
  • WHEN THEY CONNECT WITH ME NOW,
  • 00:22:47.190 --> 00:22:49.070
  • THEY JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION:
  • 00:22:49.070 --> 00:22:51.190
  • WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
  • 00:22:51.190 --> 00:22:53.210
  • KENDAL HAGEE: YEAH.
  • 00:22:53.210 --> 00:22:54.080
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: THAT'S REALLY
  • 00:22:54.080 --> 00:22:55.010
  • WHAT THEY -- LITERALLY,
  • 00:22:55.010 --> 00:22:55.160
  • I HAD A FRIEND FLY FROM
  • 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:56.270
  • WASHINGTON, D.C. TO TORONTO
  • 00:22:56.270 --> 00:22:59.050
  • TO MEET MY SISTER.
  • 00:22:59.050 --> 00:23:00.080
  • AND HE USED TO LIVE IN DELHI
  • 00:23:00.080 --> 00:23:01.130
  • WITH ME AND PLAYED CRICKET
  • 00:23:01.130 --> 00:23:02.050
  • TOGETHER.
  • 00:23:02.050 --> 00:23:03.110
  • AND HE LOOKED AT MY SISTER AND
  • 00:23:03.110 --> 00:23:05.030
  • SAID, "WHAT HAPPENED TO RAVI?"
  • 00:23:05.030 --> 00:23:07.120
  • AND YOU KNOW IN MANY WAYS,
  • 00:23:07.120 --> 00:23:08.170
  • IT'S A KIND OF A COMPLIMENT.
  • 00:23:08.170 --> 00:23:10.000
  • MATT HAGEE: IT IS.
  • 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:10.190
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: BUT IT'S ALSO A
  • 00:23:10.190 --> 00:23:11.110
  • CAUTION THAT THEY'RE WATCHING.
  • 00:23:11.110 --> 00:23:13.140
  • MATT HAGEE: WELL NOT ONLY
  • 00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:14.020
  • ARE THEY WATCHING,
  • 00:23:14.020 --> 00:23:14.210
  • BUT YOU KNOW WHEN JESUS WENT TO
  • 00:23:14.210 --> 00:23:16.140
  • THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SEA
  • 00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:17.120
  • OF GALILEE,
  • 00:23:17.120 --> 00:23:17.290
  • AND HE DELIVERED THE DEMONIAC,
  • 00:23:17.290 --> 00:23:19.270
  • THE DEMONIAC WANTED TO COME
  • 00:23:19.270 --> 00:23:21.010
  • WITH HIM.
  • 00:23:21.010 --> 00:23:21.160
  • HE SAID,
  • 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:22.050
  • "LET ME BACK IN THE BOAT."
  • 00:23:22.050 --> 00:23:22.260
  • AND JESUS SAID, NO, NO, NO.
  • 00:23:22.260 --> 00:23:24.110
  • "STAY HERE AND TELL EVERYBODY
  • 00:23:24.110 --> 00:23:26.120
  • WHAT I'VE DONE."
  • 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:27.170
  • AND YOU KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING
  • 00:23:27.170 --> 00:23:30.020
  • THAT I THINK A LOT
  • 00:23:30.020 --> 00:23:31.020
  • OF AMERICAN CHRISTIANS AVOID.
  • 00:23:31.020 --> 00:23:33.130
  • WHENEVER THEY HAVE A REAL
  • 00:23:33.130 --> 00:23:36.130
  • ENCOUNTER WITH JESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:37.170
  • RATHER THAN GO INTO
  • 00:23:37.170 --> 00:23:38.240
  • THE ENVIRONMENT CHANGED,
  • 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.250
  • THEY FLEE THE ENVIRONMENT
  • 00:23:40.250 --> 00:23:42.120
  • AND KIND OF GO INTO WITNESS
  • 00:23:42.120 --> 00:23:43.150
  • PROTECTION, IF YOU WOULD;
  • 00:23:43.150 --> 00:23:45.030
  • YOU KNOW TO WHERE THE PEOPLE
  • 00:23:45.030 --> 00:23:46.020
  • THAT THEY USED TO BE
  • 00:23:46.020 --> 00:23:46.290
  • IN THE WORLD WITH NO LONGER
  • 00:23:46.290 --> 00:23:48.100
  • HAVE AN AWARENESS OF WHO
  • 00:23:48.100 --> 00:23:49.090
  • THEY ARE.
  • 00:23:49.090 --> 00:23:50.220
  • AND SO, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:52.070
  • IT IS A COMPLIMENT, AS YOU SAY.
  • 00:23:52.070 --> 00:23:54.050
  • AND WHEN IT COMES TO LIVING OUT
  • 00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:57.150
  • YOUR FAITH, I KNOW IN MY LIFE,
  • 00:23:57.150 --> 00:24:00.150
  • A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE ASSUMED
  • 00:24:00.150 --> 00:24:02.080
  • THAT IN MY CHILDHOOD, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:24:02.080 --> 00:24:03.290
  • I WOULD HAVE AT ONE POINT
  • 00:24:03.290 --> 00:24:05.050
  • OR ANOTHER,
  • 00:24:05.050 --> 00:24:05.230
  • BEEN THE REBELLIOUS
  • 00:24:05.230 --> 00:24:06.190
  • PASTOR'S KID.
  • 00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:08.070
  • AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY
  • 00:24:08.070 --> 00:24:09.080
  • THAT THAT WAS NEVER ANYTHING
  • 00:24:09.080 --> 00:24:10.060
  • THAT EVER ENTERED MY MIND,
  • 00:24:10.060 --> 00:24:11.150
  • ONLY FOR THE FACT
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  • THAT MY FATHER DID TWO THINGS
  • 00:24:12.230 --> 00:24:14.230
  • VERY WELL.
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  • ONE,
  • 00:24:15.090 --> 00:24:15.230
  • HE PUT HIS FAMILY
  • 00:24:15.230 --> 00:24:17.140
  • BEFORE HIS CHURCH.
  • 00:24:17.140 --> 00:24:19.050
  • SO THE CHURCH WAS AN EXTENSION
  • 00:24:19.050 --> 00:24:21.000
  • OF US;
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  • IT WASN'T A REPLACEMENT TO US.
  • 00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:24.030
  • AND I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT WITH
  • 00:24:24.030 --> 00:24:24.290
  • PASTOR'S KIDS THAT THAT'S BEEN
  • 00:24:24.290 --> 00:24:26.220
  • THE SOURCE OF CONTENTION THERE.
  • 00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:29.020
  • THE OTHER THING WAS EVERYTHING
  • 00:24:29.020 --> 00:24:30.200
  • THAT HE SAID IN THE PULPIT,
  • 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:32.170
  • HE DID AT HOME.
  • 00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:34.080
  • SO WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT PRAYER,
  • 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:36.080
  • WE SAW HIM PRAY.
  • 00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:37.130
  • WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT READING,
  • 00:24:37.130 --> 00:24:38.210
  • WE SAW HIM READ.
  • 00:24:38.210 --> 00:24:39.210
  • WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT GIVING,
  • 00:24:39.210 --> 00:24:40.250
  • WE WERE ABLE TO SEE
  • 00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:42.110
  • AND UNDERSTAND THE APPLICATION
  • 00:24:42.110 --> 00:24:44.080
  • OF THESE THINGS IN HIS LIFE.
  • 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:45.220
  • IT WASN'T,
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  • OH WELL THAT'S SUNDAY, DAD,
  • 00:24:46.070 --> 00:24:47.140
  • AND THIS IS MONDAY, DAD.
  • 00:24:47.140 --> 00:24:49.030
  • HE WAS THE CONSISTENT
  • 00:24:49.030 --> 00:24:50.040
  • INDIVIDUAL EVERY TIME YOU EVER
  • 00:24:50.040 --> 00:24:52.050
  • WERE AROUND HIM.
  • 00:24:52.050 --> 00:24:53.080
  • AND SO GROWING UP IN THAT
  • 00:24:53.080 --> 00:24:54.230
  • ENVIRONMENT,
  • 00:24:54.230 --> 00:24:56.040
  • IT WAS VERY EASY AND LOGICAL
  • 00:24:56.040 --> 00:24:57.280
  • FOR ME TO CONNECT HIS BEHAVIORS
  • 00:24:57.280 --> 00:24:59.230
  • WITH HIS BELIEFS,
  • 00:24:59.230 --> 00:25:00.240
  • AND HIS BELIEFS
  • 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.140
  • WITH HIS OUTCOMES,
  • 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:02.270
  • AS OPPOSED TO STRUGGLE WITH,
  • 00:25:02.270 --> 00:25:04.040
  • WELL IF DAD SAYS IT,
  • 00:25:04.040 --> 00:25:05.060
  • WHY DOESN'T HE DO IT?
  • 00:25:05.060 --> 00:25:06.180
  • AND I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT
  • 00:25:06.180 --> 00:25:08.030
  • JUST AN ISSUE FOR PASTORS
  • 00:25:08.030 --> 00:25:10.140
  • AND THEIR FAMILIES;
  • 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:11.050
  • IT'S AN ISSUE FOR EVERYONE
  • 00:25:11.050 --> 00:25:12.100
  • WHO CALLS THE NAME OF CHRIST
  • 00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:13.260
  • AS THEIR SAVIOR.
  • 00:25:13.260 --> 00:25:15.200
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: THAT'S
  • 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:16.170
  • AN AMAZING TESTIMONIAL,
  • 00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:18.010
  • ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
  • 00:25:18.010 --> 00:25:19.160
  • I HOPE SOME DAY AFTER I'M GONE,
  • 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.030
  • MY KIDS CAN SAY THE SAME.
  • 00:25:22.030 --> 00:25:23.290
  • I WISH I WERE AS CONSISTENT
  • 00:25:23.290 --> 00:25:26.290
  • AS THE WAY YOU HAVE DESCRIBED
  • 00:25:26.290 --> 00:25:28.060
  • YOUR DAD.
  • 00:25:28.060 --> 00:25:28.250
  • GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:29.180
  • AND THAT'S WHAT HE DOES
  • 00:25:29.180 --> 00:25:30.160
  • IN THE CHURCH.
  • 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:31.050
  • HE BOTH TEACHES AND MODELS
  • 00:25:31.050 --> 00:25:33.020
  • IN WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE
  • 00:25:33.020 --> 00:25:34.050
  • GLOBALLY.
  • 00:25:34.050 --> 00:25:35.090
  • I THINK THE FACT IS,
  • 00:25:35.090 --> 00:25:36.160
  • AS AN ITINERANT,
  • 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:37.200
  • IT'S ALWAYS HARDER,
  • 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.050
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE SO MUCH
  • 00:25:39.050 --> 00:25:40.030
  • ON THE ROAD.
  • 00:25:40.030 --> 00:25:41.110
  • BUT THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE.
  • 00:25:41.110 --> 00:25:43.210
  • YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE
  • 00:25:43.210 --> 00:25:44.190
  • THE PRIORITY OF YOUR FAMILY.
  • 00:25:44.190 --> 00:25:46.210
  • AND I THINK WHERE OUR CULTURE
  • 00:25:46.210 --> 00:25:48.120
  • HAS FAILED,
  • 00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:49.220
  • WE FIND ALL THE OTHER EXCUSES
  • 00:25:49.220 --> 00:25:52.000
  • TO ATTRIBUTE TO WHAT'S GONE
  • 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.080
  • WRONG.
  • 00:25:53.080 --> 00:25:54.000
  • WE DON'T GO BACK TO THE SOURCE
  • 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.070
  • OF THE PROBLEM,
  • 00:25:55.070 --> 00:25:56.150
  • YOUR WHOLE,
  • 00:25:56.150 --> 00:25:57.170
  • AND HOW IT IS YOU'RE BEING
  • 00:25:57.170 --> 00:25:58.140
  • RAISED WITH THE VALUES AND HOW
  • 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:00.050
  • IT'S BEING DEMONSTRATED.
  • 00:26:00.050 --> 00:26:01.280
  • AFTER ALL,
  • 00:26:01.280 --> 00:26:02.270
  • OUR CHILDREN ARE OUR GREATEST
  • 00:26:02.270 --> 00:26:04.180
  • GIFT FROM GOD.
  • 00:26:04.180 --> 00:26:05.190
  • I TRAVEL ALL OVER THE GLOBE.
  • 00:26:05.190 --> 00:26:06.260
  • WHEN I COME BACK HOME,
  • 00:26:06.260 --> 00:26:08.090
  • THE HUGS I GET FROM MY FAMILY
  • 00:26:08.090 --> 00:26:09.270
  • ARE THE MOST MEANINGFUL ONES.
  • 00:26:09.270 --> 00:26:12.080
  • IT IS OUR CALLING TO RAISE --
  • 00:26:12.080 --> 00:26:14.200
  • GOD FORMED THE HOME BEFORE ME
  • 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:16.010
  • FORMED THE CHURCH.
  • 00:26:16.010 --> 00:26:16.260
  • MATT HAGEE: CORRECT.
  • 00:26:16.260 --> 00:26:17.160
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: SO WE HAVE
  • 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.090
  • THAT NOBLE CALLING TO MODEL IT
  • 00:26:18.090 --> 00:26:20.060
  • BEFORE OUR KIDS
  • 00:26:20.060 --> 00:26:21.090
  • AND TO TEACH THEM.
  • 00:26:21.090 --> 00:26:22.150
  • MATT HAGEE: AND TO TEACH THEM.
  • 00:26:22.150 --> 00:26:23.060
  • AND TO THAT EXTENT,
  • 00:26:23.060 --> 00:26:24.060
  • I THINK THAT IN EVERY HOME,
  • 00:26:25.060 --> 00:26:28.060
  • EVERY PARENT HAS
  • 00:26:28.060 --> 00:26:29.080
  • A RESPONSIBILITY TO OPERATE
  • 00:26:29.080 --> 00:26:30.240
  • AS AN APOLOGIST.
  • 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.120
  • THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY
  • 00:26:32.120 --> 00:26:33.230
  • TO ENGAGE IN THE ARGUMENT,
  • 00:26:33.230 --> 00:26:36.010
  • AND THEN MAKE THE APPLICATION,
  • 00:26:36.010 --> 00:26:37.090
  • AND THEN DEMONSTRATE IT IN
  • 00:26:37.090 --> 00:26:38.160
  • A WAY THAT THEIR CHILDREN HAVE
  • 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.270
  • THE ABILITY TO SEE IT
  • 00:26:39.270 --> 00:26:41.100
  • AND TO DO IT.
  • 00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:41.280
  • RAVI,
  • 00:26:41.280 --> 00:26:42.120
  • THANK YOU FOR GIVING --
  • 00:26:42.120 --> 00:26:43.120
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: GOD BLESS YOU,
  • 00:26:43.120 --> 00:26:44.030
  • MATT. GOD BLESS YOU, KENDAL.
  • 00:26:44.030 --> 00:26:45.070
  • KENDAL HAGEE: THANK YOU.
  • 00:26:45.070 --> 00:26:45.280
  • MATT HAGEE: -- THE
  • 00:26:45.280 --> 00:26:46.190
  • ENCOURAGEMENT AND THE EXAMPLE
  • 00:26:46.190 --> 00:26:47.160
  • TO DO THE WILL OF GOD WITH
  • 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.140
  • EVERY BREATH THAT THEY BREATHE.
  • 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.030
  • IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE
  • 00:26:51.030 --> 00:26:52.100
  • ON "THE DIFFERENCE" WITH US
  • 00:26:52.100 --> 00:26:53.020
  • TODAY.
  • 00:26:53.020 --> 00:26:53.130
  • RAVI ZACHARIAS: AN ABSOLUTE
  • 00:26:53.130 --> 00:26:54.060
  • DELIGHT TO BE WITH YOU BOTH.
  • 00:26:54.060 --> 00:26:54.290
  • THANK YOU.
  • 00:26:54.290 --> 00:26:55.180
  • MATT HAGEE: THANK YOU.
  • 00:26:55.180 --> 00:26:56.080
  • KENDAL AND I HOPE THAT YOU'VE
  • 00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:57.090
  • ENJOYED THIS PROGRAM.
  • 00:26:57.090 --> 00:26:58.120
  • AND WE WANT YOU TO GO FIND OUT
  • 00:26:58.120 --> 00:26:59.210
  • MORE ABOUT RAVI ZACHARIAS,
  • 00:26:59.210 --> 00:27:01.090
  • HIS MINISTRY,
  • 00:27:01.090 --> 00:27:02.150
  • AND HOW YOU CAN ENGAGE WITH
  • 00:27:02.150 --> 00:27:04.120
  • THE CONTENT THAT HIS MINISTRY
  • 00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:05.160
  • HAS PROVIDED.
  • 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.050
  • I KNOW THAT "THE LOGIC OF GOD"
  • 00:27:06.050 --> 00:27:07.140
  • IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE
  • 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:08.130
  • DISCUSSING AROUND
  • 00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:09.010
  • MY DINNER TABLE,
  • 00:27:09.010 --> 00:27:10.060
  • AS WE TALK ABOUT TRUTH
  • 00:27:10.060 --> 00:27:11.040
  • WITH MY CHILDREN.
  • 00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:12.070
  • AND I WANT YOU TO DO THE SAME,
  • 00:27:12.070 --> 00:27:13.060
  • BECAUSE I ASSURE YOU;
  • 00:27:13.060 --> 00:27:14.040
  • IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE
  • 00:27:14.040 --> 00:27:15.070
  • IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:27:15.070 --> 00:27:16.130